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The four players who were suspended as a result of the league’s investigation into the Saints’ bounty program have always said they want to see all the evidence. Now a judge has said he wants to see the evidence, too.

Magistrate Daniel Knowles has told NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell to provide the court with documents related to the bounty case, and the NFL has confirmed that it will comply and give Knowles all the information he is asking for.

Knowles’ order is something of a compromise: Lawyers for Jonathan Vilma had asked the judge to order the NFL to give the evidence directly to Vilma, but Knowles said he’ll look at it first before determining whether the league is required to let Vilma see it.

The documents include transcripts of interviews with witnesses, and may provide a fuller picture of exactly what the NFL has on Vilma. The question now is whether the judge will be the only one to see that picture, or whether Vilma — and possibly the public — will get to see the complete picture as well.

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  1. mwatts1 says: Oct 16, 2012 2:36 PM

    Seriously!

  2. mazblast says: Oct 16, 2012 2:36 PM

    It’s a step in the right direction. Goodell can defy common sense, but he doesn’t dare mess with a federal judge.

  3. jbxz says: Oct 16, 2012 2:38 PM

    Time to put up or shut up Roger…

  4. tzoppi says: Oct 16, 2012 2:39 PM

    Time to put up or shut up Rodger…

  5. tzoppi says: Oct 16, 2012 2:39 PM

    Time to put up or shut up Roger…

  6. kingmj4891 says: Oct 16, 2012 2:40 PM

    Vilma is going to get it.

    Should have been a man and took the punishment.

    Now the whole world will see how much of a scumbag Vima really is.

  7. tsizzlehotpiss says: Oct 16, 2012 2:41 PM

    Time to fabricate some more evidence………

  8. theuglitruth says: Oct 16, 2012 2:41 PM

    Vilma…take it like a man. Crybaby.

  9. aaroncurryisbust says: Oct 16, 2012 2:42 PM

    Anyone else tired of this sordid affair?

  10. cwwgk says: Oct 16, 2012 2:45 PM

    Once Magistrate Knowles reviews the same evidence and also concludes the suspensions were just and proper, to whom will Vilma and his supporters complain?

  11. ek2213 says: Oct 16, 2012 2:46 PM

    Honestly, it seems like such a no-brainer to release the evidence. Still can’t quite understand why it hasn’t been released thus far. If a suspension was levied against me, I’d surely want to see the proof.

  12. gbpackman says: Oct 16, 2012 2:50 PM

    Since when is it lawful to accuse and discipline a person without providing proof for them to defend against?? Thats the entire problem with this process of suspensions, being coy about presenting their proof. Just, “Trust us, they did it”. Time to put up or shut up, for BOTH sides.

  13. staffordsrightbicep says: Oct 16, 2012 2:51 PM

    Our idiotic justice system is the reason this circus has lasted as long as it has. Should’ve just demanded all the evidence right from the beginning- or least once Berrigan oversaw the case.

  14. officialmiamidolphinsspokesperson says: Oct 16, 2012 2:52 PM

    Drew Brees needs an explanation.

  15. skinsfaninnebraska says: Oct 16, 2012 2:53 PM

    Hopefully, if this judge is impartial enough, he’ll render an appropriate ruling and we can all put this in the past where it belongs.

  16. kattykathy says: Oct 16, 2012 2:53 PM

    I already know what will happen.

    It will take the Judge 10 full minutes to completely review the “evidence” Goodell has against Vilma.
    After that he will ask “SERIOUSLY?, This is what you are basing suspensions against these players on?”

    “Mr. Goodell, I strongly suggest you drop this facade and ask these players (especially Mr. Vilma)to forgive you, before you lose a large portion of your savings to him.

  17. gmen1987 says: Oct 16, 2012 2:55 PM

    I have a feeling this maybe one of those “Becareful what you ask for, because you may get it” moments for Vilma and the other New Orleans criminal elements.

  18. skins23 says: Oct 16, 2012 2:58 PM

    Next I hope a judge asks for evidence of Redskins violating the salary cap…. oh wait….

  19. davikes says: Oct 16, 2012 2:58 PM

    Just wait til the judge notices that a two time convicted felon, Mike Ornstein, contributed to the bounty fund. Sooner or later someone will notice the gambling implications. The NFL is not looking forward to this.

  20. bw1980 says: Oct 16, 2012 2:59 PM

    I guess there are a few people posting here that work in the NFL’s corporate office because they’ve seen the evidence.

    Granted, this wasn’t a legal issue subject to court jurisdiction orignally, it has now become so and, as such, the accussed have a right to face their accussors and see the evidence.

    For those saying that this judge will uphold Goodell’s decision, I ask why Goodell didn’t just provide Vilma the evidence initially to have avoid wasting time and money as well as creating controversy. If it was so overwhelming then Vilma would have had no choice but to accept his fate and move on. As it stands, it just appears that Goodell is bent on building the appearance as the “tough on crime” judge when in reality he’s just a bagman.

  21. nomercy2012 says: Oct 16, 2012 3:01 PM

    I’m a Saints fan, and I am really tired of this mess. But – I also have to think how I would feel if I was being unjustly accused of something. If Vilma really is telling the truth, I think he should fight and keep fighting.

    All he really has is his reputation and word. Judging by the comments that always follow these bountygate articles – his reputation has already been damaged beyond reasonable repair. People keep saying he should “stop crying”, “shut up and take his punishment” – did you ever stop to think about if he really isn’t guilty?

  22. yooperman says: Oct 16, 2012 3:04 PM

    This may end up in criminal court before it’s all over.

  23. pg99bassist says: Oct 16, 2012 3:06 PM

    I have no horse in this race…. but suppose that the evidence has conflicting evidence or testimonial? If it falls into the category of hearsay… could the NFL be punished for leveling a punishment on a union member without legal justification? Hearsay is a dangerous thing to use when a real judge or jury is involved…

  24. andrewproughcfe says: Oct 16, 2012 3:15 PM

    This is funny, because the last time a federal official asked for the NFL’s evidence in a case, Goodell told Senator Specter that he had destroyed all the SpyGate tapes.

    He claimed it was to ensure no one got their hands on the tapes and “gained a competitive advantage”. Oh, yeah – Right!! Very believable.

    The truth is that Goodell bent over backwards to protect Robert Kraft, but has thrown Benson under the bus.

  25. tbtrojan says: Oct 16, 2012 3:18 PM

    I wonder which 16 copied pages of “evidence” GODell wil pick out to hand over this time.

  26. windycity0301 says: Oct 16, 2012 3:19 PM

    I’d like the evidence to come to light so this can all go away as well. Really sick of it.

    But, I have a hard time understanding where its right for a judge to step into the process of punishment in a Collectively Bargained Agreement. Is the judge basically going to say that the CBA is null and void and they have to go back to square one and the bargaining table? Will Pandora’s box be opened?

    Maybe I’m overthinking it…

  27. mvp43 says: Oct 16, 2012 3:20 PM

    I think Vilma is in over his head and probably was involved as the NFL has said. I think Vilma was told to deny, deny, deny until you can’t deny anymore and it will all just blow over or the NFL will cave.

    Oops……….

  28. coltzfan166 says: Oct 16, 2012 3:21 PM

    Good. After everything that Vilma has put the NFL through, he deserves to have all the evidence made public to humiliate him.

  29. t16rich says: Oct 16, 2012 3:22 PM

    Roger’s going to be watching that Saints game this week and ready to jump all over Vilma and fine him for petential “cheap” hits. Lets see what you got Roger. Why you hiding evidence? I hope it’s not time to pull an ESPN type move and make up wire tap accusations or ridiculous Mike Leach accusations. This has become ridiculous, and the NFL showing their hand is a good way to end it.

  30. comeonnowguys says: Oct 16, 2012 3:23 PM

    @nomercy

    Really? The majority of comments on this that I’ve observed usually are Saints fans and their outraged persecution coupled with the “Roger Hitler” crowd.

    For instance, there is exactly one comment telling the Saints to stop crying.

  31. musicman495 says: Oct 16, 2012 3:24 PM

    I have been saying for months that “discovery” was what Goodell feared most (because of the concussion lawsuits), not an actual pro-Vilma verdict. Goodell’s time for stonewalling is now up.

    And what will dear Roger say if the judge rules he has no credible evidence, or – just as likely – there is gobs of evidence being covered up by the league that other teams had similar “pay for performance” systems and were neither investigated nor punished???

  32. bluereign says: Oct 16, 2012 3:25 PM

    Goods wouldn’t have went this far/hard if he didn’t have something. To think the NFL has a bias for or against any team is asinine. He’s not out to get the Saints or Vilma. He’s sitting on this evidence most likely so he doesn’t further embarrass Vilma or the Saints organization.

  33. genericuser8888 says: Oct 16, 2012 3:25 PM

    I read the transcripts of the NFL’s interview with Vilma. It’s available online at SaintsReport.

    Mary Jo, the NFL’s “independent expert” has moved on to become the league’s prosecutor at the player interviews (when the players recently met with Goodell). The questioning makes it obvious that Goodell didn’t want to talk to the players to find out the truth, he wanted to talk to them to get more ammo to use against them.

    The whole thing, the meeting between the players and the league, was a sham on the league’s part.

    If you don’t believe me, go read the transcripts yourself.

    Goodell no longer deserves to be commissioner of the NFL, and I hope this lawsuit publicly demonstrates that he is full of crap.

  34. funshipm174 says: Oct 16, 2012 3:26 PM

    I’m not a fan of Goodell, but does everyone here think Goddell didn’t anticipate this coming?
    He’s in the position he is in because he know’s what he is doing and Vilma and everyone else who had a hand in this will pay the price.

  35. themediaisdumberthandirt says: Oct 16, 2012 3:29 PM

    This whole thing reminds me of a criminal who knows they did the crime but thinks law enforcement can’t actually prove it. Everyone including Vilma knows he’s guilty of what he’s being accused of but he thinks they can’t prove it.

  36. crazycane says: Oct 16, 2012 3:31 PM

    If Roger can’t or doesn’t have evidence, he should be fired.

  37. gloxford says: Oct 16, 2012 3:31 PM

    Finally

  38. twisteditoff says: Oct 16, 2012 3:39 PM

    when he finds out he will order the player to go to jail for when they all lie in fed court it is looking like it is gona be fun

  39. daaabears says: Oct 16, 2012 3:40 PM

    I’m glad we had the replacement refs for awhile to take our mind off of this.

  40. cwwgk says: Oct 16, 2012 3:41 PM

    The Court is not asking for the evidence to make its own determination as to whether Vilma is “guilty” or “innocent.” This case is about labor law, not criminals.

    Instead, the court will be reviewing the evidence simply to rule out the possibility that Goodell’s discipline was fueled by some ulterior motive. Once satisfied there is some basis in fact for the suspensions, and that the league followed the CBA, the court will have no choice but to deny the players’ requested relief.

    The NFLPA agreed to this discipline process. There is plenty of evidence to merit the actions of Goodell (witnesses, admissions, confessions, etc.) In the eyes of the law, the suspensions were just and proper.

  41. sj39 says: Oct 16, 2012 3:41 PM

    I hope the judge rules there is plenty of evidence and that Vilma, the public and Florio do not have a right to see it just because I know it will drive everyone nuts.

  42. vikesfansteve says: Oct 16, 2012 3:47 PM

    This could open Vilma and his witnesses all up to Perjury charges.

  43. rmdz7 says: Oct 16, 2012 3:55 PM

    @windycity0301

    While the CBA is a binding legal agreement, it is not the US Constitution, it still needs to comply with local and federal laws, and while Goodell was given the power to preside over matters, he (and the CBA) still need to meet certain guidelines in accordance to the law in their processes and actions, some of which may not be written down in the document, but are implied.

    And the CBA is not in danger to being declared null and void because of this. It is more like the Court will order the NFL to comply with the law. The CBA may need a few edits here and there to make the language clearer, but that probably would be it.

  44. bathroomben7 says: Oct 16, 2012 3:55 PM

    FINALLY Drew Brees will get an explanation.

  45. mbehavin2 says: Oct 16, 2012 4:04 PM

    What happens when the Judge rules that the NFL is within the guidelines of the CBA?

    Will Vilma drop another $10K or so for his lawyer to continue?

    How do the other three get NFLPA paid for legal council and Vilma is left to pay his own way?

  46. miles58a says: Oct 16, 2012 4:05 PM

    bluereign says:
    Oct 16, 2012 3:25 PM
    Goods wouldn’t have went this far/hard if he didn’t have something. To think the NFL has a bias for or against any team is asinine. He’s not out to get the Saints or Vilma. He’s sitting on this evidence most likely so he doesn’t further embarrass Vilma or the Saints organization
    _________________________________

    Neither would the players if they were guilty. Don’t you think if Fujita was guilty he would take his one game and run? Most Saints fans don’t think Goodell is out to get the Saints, we just think he is making this pay for performance program out to something it’s not to make the NFL look good in the Lawsuit with the retired players

  47. stangz11 says: Oct 16, 2012 4:06 PM

    I really don’t care anymore

  48. FinFan68 says: Oct 16, 2012 4:07 PM

    there is probably a good reason for denying vilma the “evidence”. i suspect the evidence is the two statements we all know about and many say is not credible. the witnesses have probably not all been identified. i bet there are current players that corroborated the statements. releasing that info is unnecessary and could do harm. do not expect the judge to release anything to Vilma or the public.

  49. mviglianco says: Oct 16, 2012 4:15 PM

    fuller?

  50. metalhead65 says: Oct 16, 2012 4:17 PM

    sick of this nonsense! the cba says the commishiner is the one who deals out the punishment and he did so deal with it!this what the players agreed to so take it and shut up! this why he wanted to take the arbitrator out of and they agreed to it don’t like then don’t break the rules. I do not like some of the rules I work at but I follow them and if I don’t I know what will happen to me. and I don’t make millions a year playing a game.

  51. gerttownmomo says: Oct 16, 2012 4:39 PM

    But, I have a hard time understanding where its right for a judge to step into the process of punishment in a Collectively Bargained Agreement. Is the judge basically going to say that the CBA is null and void and they have to go back to square one and the bargaining table? Will Pandora’s box be opened?

    ==========================

    this has NOTHING to do with the cba and EVERYTHING to do with the defamation suit. but could lead to some serious problems between the players and the nfl with the cba if there is nothing but ‘hearsay’ evidence.

  52. apistolpeteproduction says: Oct 16, 2012 4:43 PM

    I just find it funny all the saints players who signed documents to clear the others are friends with the accused players. All the coaches who told on the players and admitted to it are currently dealing with their punishments with no objections. No player is going to rat out another publicly, they would be blackballed from the league. All the players “Evidence” is just sworn statements by their own friends who say they had no knowledge of a bounty system, not that there was no bounty system. It would take one of the accused coaches, who have already admitted it existed, to actually fight this case in order to gain any legitimacy. Barry Bonds never admitted to steroids, Roger Clemens still insists he was clean, and Lance Armstrong still denies his blood doping and blatantly documented cheating. People will say or do anything to try to save face. Think of how many pro athletes go broke before they are out of the league. Johnathon Vilma is fighting his butt off in order to hope to catch some kind of legal technicality like Ryan Braun caught so he does not lose his 5.1 million dollar salary for the year. Im sure he needs that money for life and his restaurant/bar that he banned Roger Goodell from.

  53. aljack88 says: Oct 16, 2012 5:08 PM

    andrewproughcfe says:
    Oct 16, 2012 3:15 PM
    This is funny, because the last time a federal official asked for the NFL’s evidence in a case, Goodell told Senator Specter that he had destroyed all the SpyGate tapes.

    He claimed it was to ensure no one got their hands on the tapes and “gained a competitive advantage”. Oh, yeah – Right!! Very believable.

    The truth is that Goodell bent over backwards to protect Robert Kraft, but has thrown Benson under the bus.
    ———————————————————–

    That’s really relevent to this thread.

  54. hor2012 says: Oct 16, 2012 6:04 PM

    You know I’m a Saints fan. But, I think this has gotten out of hand. I know for me this as gone from being funny exchanging barbs with other fans to the troubling lack of compassion I saw for Scott on yesterday. At this point I just want it to be over. I like coming to the sight to see the latest football news. But, as a Saints fan I getting tired of hearing the insults that I’ve gone far beyond be cute and have become down right nasty. I hope that this is the begining of the end of this so everyone can move up. On another note my Prayers go out to Scott. My memories of him go far beyond a football player, but they reflect his contribution to the New Orleans area. And, I would remind those of you that say that it’s Karma that he was finally punished for in the words of RG not stoping the program. Even the commissioner has finally admitted that Scott wasn’t guilty of anything. He a good man and doesn’t deserve the treatment he’s gitting.

  55. fmwarner says: Oct 16, 2012 6:06 PM

    cwwgk says: Oct 16, 2012 2:45 PM

    Once Magistrate Knowles reviews the same evidence and also concludes the suspensions were just and proper, to whom will Vilma and his supporters complain?
    —————————————–

    Nobody. Because this will be ACTUAL evidence, not The Rog saying “trust me”. Don’t act like Vilma and his supporters will continue to complain in the face of direct evidence. There hasn’t been any.

  56. macgee10 says: Oct 16, 2012 6:09 PM

    Why couldn’t Goodell just provide the evidence in the first place?

  57. silentcount says: Oct 16, 2012 6:11 PM

    “You suspended a player and a coach a full year over this? What were you trying to do, make everyone think you were so concerned about safety? Coaches and players who’ve done much worse have only be given fines. This is unfair and a gross abuse of power. I lift all suspensions of the players and coaches,” — says the judge.

  58. rajbais says: Oct 16, 2012 6:33 PM

    Where does the judge reside?

    Court location determines judge attitude politically.

  59. musicman495 says: Oct 16, 2012 7:04 PM

    vikesfansteve says: Oct 16, 2012 3:47 PM

    This could open Vilma and his witnesses all up to Perjury charges.
    ———————————-
    Goodell’s witnesses – all of one or two, who have NEVER testified or given an affidavit in federal court – could just as well be lying as Vilma’s witnesses who HAVE given court testimony. You choose to presume that if there is conflicting testimony, Vilma’s witnesses must be lying, more than a disgruntled former employee. I do not.

    Perhaps that is because I am not blinded by my team’s 40+ years of Super Bowl futility.

  60. choppa2lis says: Oct 16, 2012 7:08 PM

    roger goodell is a bumbling buffoon who should be investigated by the FBI and the CIA and be in jail for this illicit garbage he is trying to pull. he definitely shouldn’t be in charge of the NFL , what a complete joke goodell is and always will be

  61. marthisdil says: Oct 16, 2012 7:26 PM

    miles58a says: Oct 16, 2012 4:05 PM

    Neither would the players if they were guilty. Don’t you think if Fujita was guilty he would take his one game and run? Most Saints fans don’t think Goodell is out to get the Saints, we just think he is making this pay for performance program out to something it’s not to make the NFL look good in the Lawsuit with the retired players

    _________________________________

    Funny. What about the coaches who don’t have a union representing them. If it didn’t happen, would be far easier to get a lawyer and get relief.

    I’m sure that comes into play, too. The fact that they aren’t fighting their suspensions.

  62. theandy59 says: Oct 16, 2012 7:35 PM

    This whole thing is ridiculous. The commissioner is exercising the authority granted to him and the league within the collective bargaining agreement. The only issue the court should entertain is whether or not Goodell is operating within the parameters of the legal agreement the NLFPA and the league entered in to. The details of the case are irrelevant as they are subject only to the commissioners interpretation. Having said all that, I fail to understand the logic in those who accuse Goodell of having some agenda against the Saints. What possible reason would he have for manufacturing these charges, and the supporting evidence? It makes much more sense if he were to bury evidence of the Saints transgressions, avoiding the black eye this gives the entire league. Sometimes, people just need to own up to their actions and take their medicine, but Vilma appears to be one of those jerks who will deny he ate the cookie while the crumbs are still falling out of his mouth.

  63. sactogary says: Oct 16, 2012 7:53 PM

    macgee10 says:Oct 16, 2012 6:09 PM

    Why couldn’t Goodell just provide the evidence in the first place?
    ——————————————————–
    Several possible reasons. For starters, how will any Saints players or employees who cooperated with the investigation be treated by the remaining players? No bounty necessary when the motive is revenge.

  64. sactogary says: Oct 16, 2012 7:56 PM

    musicman495 says:Oct 16, 2012 7:04 PM

    vikesfansteve says: Oct 16, 2012 3:47 PM

    This could open Vilma and his witnesses all up to Perjury charges.
    ———————————-
    …. You choose to presume that if there is conflicting testimony, Vilma’s witnesses must be lying, more than a disgruntled former employee. I do not.

    Perhaps that is because I am not blinded by my team’s 40+ years of Super Bowl futility.
    ——————————————————–
    Perhaps you are blinded by that one ring after 40+ years of futility.

  65. hor2012 says: Oct 16, 2012 8:26 PM

    Excuse the spelling from my last post. I guess I should have proofed it before posting. Now, the more I think about this the more I think either the NFL or the Saints players are about to be in big trouble. It may be too late but I think it’s possible that both sides may wish that they had found a way to reach common ground before this point. Now, I’m not a Lawyer. So, I’m going to defer to anyone that has a law degree. But, unless I’m mistaken conspiracy is defined as the: meeting of the minds to execute a criminal act. Now, if the Saints actually had a bounty program even for one game, and they planned to knock out an opposing player, even if the goal was only to injury the player for that game, and the injury occurred during the normal course of a game, they not only had a meeting of the minds but they executed the plan. That would make what they did criminal. Suppose the judge decides to turn that information over to the DA. This would have gone from a civil issue to possibly criminal.

    Now, if a Judge looks at this and determines that this isn’t enough for the NFL to have punished the saints, or even worse determine that there was no proof to justify any punishment. Then it will effectively end the power of this commissioner to give any additional punishment. In the end I think we’ve finally reached a point where this is coming to a end. And, for the first time this has gotten beyond the posturing to a point where there are real consequences for this mess. I only hope either way it goes that this is the last time this ever happens again

  66. purplegreenandgold says: Oct 16, 2012 8:45 PM

    sactogary says: Oct 16, 2012 7:56 PM

    musicman495 says:Oct 16, 2012 7:04 PM

    vikesfansteve says: Oct 16, 2012 3:47 PM

    This could open Vilma and his witnesses all up to Perjury charges.
    ———————————-
    …. You choose to presume that if there is conflicting testimony, Vilma’s witnesses must be lying, more than a disgruntled former employee. I do not.

    Perhaps that is because I am not blinded by my team’s 40+ years of Super Bowl futility.
    ——————————————————–
    Perhaps you are blinded by that one ring after 40+ years of futility
    ====================================
    still the NFLs case is blinded on a disgruntled employee because he couldnt get another job in the league coupled with a fake ring

  67. larryjames836 says: Oct 16, 2012 9:07 PM

    We all commenting on something we don’t know anything about you have cheaters everywhere, all we know is that New Orleans Saints has been accused of a bounty program. First we don’t know how all this mess got started I heard it were hearsay, if its hearsay it want stand up in court I heard something about a computer. Well I don’t know but I do know that the NFL and its players should have a better ways of working together on issues like this. Both side should have set down brought everything to the table men’s and worked from there, but if you telling I’m suspended for the whole season and you not showing me the reasons why I’m suspended for the whole season. I’m going to have a problem with this when all Roger Goodell had to do is show the proof not go out trying to gether evidences. On the real our comments really sometimes influence people’s to keep going with the lying are with the truth, as fans and personal comments we get hurt to because of what we are saying. Now we all are going to be judged its not just Vilma and the other players and Roger Goodell but all fans on both sides. You may not be in the court room we just going to be self convicted so get ready its going down, some of us are still judging don’t dig yourself in a to deep of a hole where you can’t get out. A lot of us that’s commenting not even Saints fans but trying to dig a hole for the New Orleans Saints and they fanbase, so this makes you a Roger Goodell fanbase. This fight has nothing to do with anyone else but the New Orleans Saints and they fanbase.

  68. musicman495 says: Oct 17, 2012 2:27 AM

    sactogary says: Oct 16, 2012 7:56 PM

    Perhaps you are blinded by that one ring after 40+ years of futility.
    ——————————————–
    Actually, I have been a Redskins fan for 40 years, not a Saints fan. I just happen to be fond of fairness, and have a distaste for witch hunts and violations of the US Constitution by two-bit dictators like Roger Goodell.

  69. noladee says: Oct 17, 2012 6:30 AM

    Vilma knows once the evidence goes to court, it may become public. He wants that. Do you seriously think if he were guilty he would want that!? No one would! Yeah, stop the namecalling! Vilma is fighting so hard to see the evidence, that may be shown to the public, he would not be doing all of this if he were guilty. Nobody would. If Vilma had done this, he would be quite or not saying much. Everyone should know this! Btw, there are contradictions in certain affidavits(documents). Go to the New Orleans court and try to get them if you don’t believe me. Much of the media does not have this yet. Try finding a website that may have this. The contradictioning documents and the inconsistencies. This may change some of your minds who think Vilma is actually guilty. Because after you read this, you know something isn’t right with Goodell, the league, a Mike Cerullo, and yes, old Williams. Also showing hardly any evidence, usually means there is not enough or it is not all honest. Just a taste of the truth. Also, agree, @nomercy2012.

  70. rmdz7 says: Oct 17, 2012 11:12 AM

    @hor2012 :

    Flawed logic. Every single NFL defense “plots” to take the other team’s star player out of the game. If you don’t understand football, that is why Ray Lewis screams in the pre-game huddle “let’s take the QB out of the game”, or Rex Ryan “dots” players or adds hot sauce to them, etc. etc etc.

    No one is denying the money pool. And no one would have a problem if the money pool had been punished and treated like what it is, a salary cap violation, or even suspend a couple people a couple games. But, when the NFL and Goodell decide to engage in a very public media campaign to vilify Saints players and the organization for something the entire NFL does, and hands out totally unprecedented suspensions which so far have crippled a very competitive team, and then tries to validate his actions with what he calls “evidence”, “evidence” that has more holes than a sieve, that’s another matter.

    People keep pointing to the “cart-offs” and the “knock-offs” as proof of intent to injure, but frankly, there’s a reason why the carts are there in every stadium and are used in every stadium frequently (including players who limp to the sideline and then get carted off to the locker room). This is a violent game. Football players hit each other as hard as they can already, and when you hit someone as hard as you can, you know there is a possibility the other will get injured, period.

    It’s funny how soon people forget. Not so long ago, ESPN had a segment called Jacked Up! (remember that one?) where they showed devastating hits that most often than not resulted in the player leaving the game for a couple of plays, and not only the people on the show laughed about the hits, at the end of the segment someone said “oh, but no one got really hurt”. But that was ok, and people complained when the segment was removed because at time, Goodell and the NFL had started hearing from Congress about player safety.

  71. mackie66 says: Oct 17, 2012 9:19 PM

    It’s about time

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