Comments on: Mike Holmgren on the way out, Joe Banner in for the Browns http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/16/mike-holmgren-on-the-way-out-joe-banner-in-for-the-browns/ ProFootballTalk on NBCSports.com Sat, 18 May 2013 21:46:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: mrfrostyj http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/16/mike-holmgren-on-the-way-out-joe-banner-in-for-the-browns/#comment-2066892 Wed, 17 Oct 2012 14:39:30 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1417971#comment-2066892 Maybe I read a different story (and have been for the past few years) but last I checked Holmgren is not the Browns GM he was their president and liaison to the (now former) owner which means his “GMing” skills mean absolutely nothing since he mostly ran the business end of the franchise. The GM would be Tom Heckart (who has done a great job in my opinion).

Then from at least how I read it Holmgren didn’t get fired he is WORKING WITH Joe Banner this year before stepping down from his position. Anyone with knowledge of Holmgrens job in Cleveland (which obviously very little people do if you read the comments) knows that he WAS the acting Browns owner as their actual owner had him doing everything including taking his seats at meetings. If Haslam plans on being a hands on owner there is no need for Holmgren as his job no longer even exists.

Holmgren brought the the Browns what they hadn’t had since Al Lerner died and thats a stable front office (if only temporary once again thanks to Randy Lerner). It was Holmgren who hired a front office that isn’t making headlines for being dysfunctional like the last 3 the Browns had. How many fan incidents, locker room fights QB controversy’s etc have you read about when it comes to Cleveland since he took over (answer is none by the way). People seem to overlook that the inmates were running the asylum before he got there and it happend yearly until Lerner would fly in from England, fire the whole crew and bring in new inmates to do the same thing.

Thanks to Mike Holmgren, Jimmy Haslam is inheriting a GREAT young team that should be a playoff contender soon enough. Maybe fans who are so down on Holmgren’s time in Cleveland should be forced to watch the 2012 Kansas City Chiefs play on a constant loop as a reminder of what the last couple of regimes “stars” looked like when playing in actual NFL games.

]]> By: Deb http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/16/mike-holmgren-on-the-way-out-joe-banner-in-for-the-browns/#comment-2065983 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 23:19:11 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1417971#comment-2065983 Holmgren is a good coach. He’s not a good team exec or player personnel guy–and never has been. I get that he is deluded about his own abilities in these areas. But I don’t get how he deludes team owners. The best news for the Browns is that their new owner knows better.

]]> By: axespray http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/16/mike-holmgren-on-the-way-out-joe-banner-in-for-the-browns/#comment-2065836 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 22:30:24 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1417971#comment-2065836 mazblast says:
Oct 16, 2012 2:34 PM
“… Ryan is overrated and overbearing, just like his brother but fatter.”
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You talking about the Rex that took two mediocre jets teams to the AFC title game back to back?
The guy that nearly made Sanchez a Superbowl winning QB ?
The guy who’s defense beat Peyton Manning and Tom Brady in back to back playoff games?

and people claiming Mike Holmgren is overrated, smh… Dude made Seattle relevant, took a couple average (at best) teams to the playoffs… made Favre/Hasselback/Brunell into probowlers…

]]> By: blspears http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/16/mike-holmgren-on-the-way-out-joe-banner-in-for-the-browns/#comment-2065772 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 22:08:09 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1417971#comment-2065772 Thats Great Banner can rebuild them like the 80′s browns and 2000′s Eagles good team but can’t seal the deal.

]]> By: melikefootball http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/16/mike-holmgren-on-the-way-out-joe-banner-in-for-the-browns/#comment-2065748 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:54:29 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1417971#comment-2065748 I think Browns were tired of hearing the Holmgren story of how he was cheated in the Super Bowl. Good move Brown’s Mike was not the answer!!!!

]]> By: clayshair http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/16/mike-holmgren-on-the-way-out-joe-banner-in-for-the-browns/#comment-2065722 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:39:36 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1417971#comment-2065722 Everyone forgets, Ron Wolf was GM when Holmgren won in Green Bay, and then Ted Thompson was GM for Seattle when they were good. When Thompson left, Seattle fell apart. Great coach but not a GM.

]]> By: ppdoc13 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/16/mike-holmgren-on-the-way-out-joe-banner-in-for-the-browns/#comment-2065712 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:35:05 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1417971#comment-2065712 The more things change the more they remain the same. In Cleveland, that is inconsistency and upheaval in their coaching and gm positions. How they expect a winner when they change front offices every other year is beyond me. And as good as Trent Richardson looks, in retrospect they should have ponied up for rg3. That kid is the real deal. You only get a shot at a difference maker like that once in a blue moon. And in this case the browns screwed the pooch big time. As much as I hate the foreskins, the have one of the best young abs in the game. I don’t know that I would take luck over rg3 at this point given what we have seen from this young man. Shanty may be the first hc in nfl history to win sb’s with 2 different teams because of this young man. He is the real deal.

]]> By: grandpoopah http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/16/mike-holmgren-on-the-way-out-joe-banner-in-for-the-browns/#comment-2065626 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:55:01 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1417971#comment-2065626 Assuming Reid and Vick are both on the way out of Philly after this year, we might actually see Mike Vick playing in the Dawg Pound. Please let this happen.

]]> By: sterilizecromartie http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/16/mike-holmgren-on-the-way-out-joe-banner-in-for-the-browns/#comment-2065625 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:54:58 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1417971#comment-2065625 @ footballace

What is your point? Holmgren has had 3 years with this team. And the team is still awful. Absolutely no progress. If anything, they have regressed since he took over.

]]> By: doncornelious http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/16/mike-holmgren-on-the-way-out-joe-banner-in-for-the-browns/#comment-2065622 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:54:40 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1417971#comment-2065622 Cleveland, say good-bye to Ray Rhodes, the man who nicknamed Banner “Rat Man”.

Good luck, you got yourself a good money-manager who thinks he can evaluate football talent.

]]> By: footballace http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/16/mike-holmgren-on-the-way-out-joe-banner-in-for-the-browns/#comment-2065508 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:05:16 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1417971#comment-2065508 Browns fans are incredible. You thinking Super Bowl teams come together instantly. Building a championship team for the long term doesn’t happen over night. It takes 3 or 4 years. How many playoff appearances have the Browns made since they came back into the league? 2? The Browns fans have no idea what it takes to win.

]]> By: mattyc http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/16/mike-holmgren-on-the-way-out-joe-banner-in-for-the-browns/#comment-2065498 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:02:11 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1417971#comment-2065498 Heckert is the guy to likely stick. Given the talent available, his drafts have been pretty good thus far & more than 70% of his draftees are developing very nicely.

My guess, Rex Ryan out in NY will take over as HC in Cleveland bringing Mike Pettine with him as DC. Ron Rivera will be out in Carolina, which will allow the Browns to re-hire OC Rob Chudzinski or Jason Garrett. Cowboys STs Coach Joe DeCamillis will be best available, I would assume they will look to pluck him.

Heckert & Banner are most familiar with guys out of the NFC East, making half those hires highly likely.

]]> By: jackblackshairyback http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/16/mike-holmgren-on-the-way-out-joe-banner-in-for-the-browns/#comment-2065473 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:53:23 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1417971#comment-2065473 Yea, the progress Mangini made with Robiskie and Massaquoi lol

]]> By: jr4real http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/16/mike-holmgren-on-the-way-out-joe-banner-in-for-the-browns/#comment-2065443 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:46:15 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1417971#comment-2065443 rhf123 says: Oct 16, 2012 1:48 PM

Andy Reid will be the coach of the Browns next year. You heard it here first.

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you’re like the 5th one to mention it on this thread alone.

]]> By: broncos4ever http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/16/mike-holmgren-on-the-way-out-joe-banner-in-for-the-browns/#comment-2065442 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:46:14 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1417971#comment-2065442 Its about time great move by the Browns. Holmgren accomplished little in Seattle and won one super bowl in Green bay and Lost one he is nothing without a great Gm like Ron Wolf.

]]> By: jetgreeeen http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/16/mike-holmgren-on-the-way-out-joe-banner-in-for-the-browns/#comment-2065424 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:38:19 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1417971#comment-2065424 The Walrus killed all the progress Mangini made with the team. I feel sorry for Browns fans having to start over again, so soon.

]]> By: mungman69 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/16/mike-holmgren-on-the-way-out-joe-banner-in-for-the-browns/#comment-2065413 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:35:21 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1417971#comment-2065413 Mike Vick is headed to Cleveland, book it.

]]> By: realdealsteel http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/16/mike-holmgren-on-the-way-out-joe-banner-in-for-the-browns/#comment-2065371 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:18:47 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1417971#comment-2065371 Oh…and Bill Cowher will be the next coach of the San Diego..opps….I mean the Los Angeles Chargers.

]]> By: realdealsteel http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/16/mike-holmgren-on-the-way-out-joe-banner-in-for-the-browns/#comment-2065366 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:17:43 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1417971#comment-2065366 Andy Reid may in fact be the Browns coach next year. But he’s still going to have the same problem he had in Philadelphia….no QB.

]]> By: washstnative http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/16/mike-holmgren-on-the-way-out-joe-banner-in-for-the-browns/#comment-2065364 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:16:38 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1417971#comment-2065364 Who cares, the mistake that is by the lake 1999 edition will continue…
Warm wishes Art Modell

]]> By: footballhistorian http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/16/mike-holmgren-on-the-way-out-joe-banner-in-for-the-browns/#comment-2065361 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:16:20 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1417971#comment-2065361 Wow – Sgt Schultz is going to be the CEO…no wait – that was John Banner

]]> By: hawkforlife http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/16/mike-holmgren-on-the-way-out-joe-banner-in-for-the-browns/#comment-2065351 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:11:57 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1417971#comment-2065351 I submit that Holmgren is one of the most overrated coaches in history. Look at the talent he had (and not because he assembled it) in both Green Bay and Seattle.

I said this when we were on our way to the Super Bowl too so it’s not after the fact. For years all I saw was him screaming at players, particularly at Matt Hasselbeck, all the while not letting them go for it on the field.

All that talent and one super bowl win. One! Worse he forces his way to being president, GM an coach and completely ruined the Hawks. My opinion but how do you have Farve and Hasselbeck in their prime, not to mention Shawn Alexander in his prime and have 1 ring to show for it.

]]> By: vegagreenleaf http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/16/mike-holmgren-on-the-way-out-joe-banner-in-for-the-browns/#comment-2065314 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:57:49 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1417971#comment-2065314 As a Seahawks fan, I always felt Holmgren was overrated as a coach and GM. This is great addition by subtraction for Cleveland. Holmgren failed to have backup plans in place. In Seattle when the older players like Jones, Alexander, and Hasselbeck started their respective inevitable declines.

For some reason I can’t explain, I see Holmgren ruining San Diego as HC next year.

Fortunately, my Seahawks moved on and were able to quickly rebuild a team that looks to be set for the next several seasons.

]]> By: mazblast http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/16/mike-holmgren-on-the-way-out-joe-banner-in-for-the-browns/#comment-2065235 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:34:44 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1417971#comment-2065235 I will accept no other candidate to coach the browns
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I hate to be the one to tell you this, but you don’t get a vote unless you’re the owner or GM.
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bengalsstillsuck says:

Heres my choice of HC
Nick Saban
John Grudon
Bill Coward
Rob Ryan
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It’s “Gruden”, not Grudon, and Bill Cowher is anything but a coward. Gruden won’t take the job, as there’s not enough glamor in it. Saban finally seems content where he is, and I can’t blame him for that (“Contend for a national championship every year, or spend my life in Cleveland, hmmmmm…”). Ryan is overrated and overbearing, just like his brother but fatter.

Cowher is a possibility, given his ties to the Browns, but it seems to me that it would take a heck of a lot to get him out of retirement. His first return to Pittsburgh as an opposing coach would be like Pitino’s first return to Lexington–epic.

]]> By: ballboy48 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/16/mike-holmgren-on-the-way-out-joe-banner-in-for-the-browns/#comment-2065229 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:33:38 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1417971#comment-2065229 Please don’t bring in another rookie HC, unless it’s Rod Chudzinski. He had a great Offense when he was here with Cleveland in 2007, he has done well in the past with San Diego, and now in Carolina.

Other than he, please hire a reputable HC, that doesn’t look lost on Sundays!

]]> By: openseason51 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/16/mike-holmgren-on-the-way-out-joe-banner-in-for-the-browns/#comment-2065204 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:25:36 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1417971#comment-2065204 New GM in San Diego hopefully and maybe Holmgren would return as just a head coach for the Chargers.

]]> By: themackstrong http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/16/mike-holmgren-on-the-way-out-joe-banner-in-for-the-browns/#comment-2065170 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:16:33 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1417971#comment-2065170 I loved Holmgren as a head coach, probably one of the best that there will be. He had such great football knowledge and could inspire players. But as a GM was he ever poor at evaluating talent with the Hawks and now Browns. Listen to this Seahawk first rounders Koren Robinson, Lamar King, Jeramey Stevens and don’t know much about what he did with the Browns but flexing muscle to get McCoy and missing out on Jones and RG3. Trent Richardson looks legit but I don’t know about any 28 year old rookies in the first round even if they are playing ok.

]]> By: joetoronto http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/16/mike-holmgren-on-the-way-out-joe-banner-in-for-the-browns/#comment-2065162 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:15:20 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1417971#comment-2065162 bengalsstillsuck says:
Oct 16, 2012 12:59 PM
Heres my choice of HC
Nick Saban
John Grudon
Bill Coward
Rob Ryan

Get rid of the whole coaching staff hirer a HC an let him bring in his own staff time to make a statement my beloved BROWNS
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Is this for real?

]]> By: stew48 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/16/mike-holmgren-on-the-way-out-joe-banner-in-for-the-browns/#comment-2065156 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:13:46 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1417971#comment-2065156 Hey stat freaks: Please give me Mangini’s WL record and the Browns WL after he left. Tks.

]]> By: jjacks1122 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/16/mike-holmgren-on-the-way-out-joe-banner-in-for-the-browns/#comment-2065130 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:06:25 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1417971#comment-2065130 Ravens and Steelers are organizations that are run too well for them to BOTH ever be down long enough for the Browns to build into anything great. 3rd fiddle at best.

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