Comments on: Dennis Allen defends not letting Janikowski try a 58-yard field goal

By: radrntn

radrntn — Fri, 19 Oct 2012 00:43:58 +0000

also lets point out the other fact…raiders were on the 40, and lechler punted the ball into the end zone, placing the ball on the 20…so it was a net 20 punt….i think allen was hoping that lechler was going to pin them inside the 10, but most raiders fan know lechler just has a cannon, not precision. Allen will learn that as well

By: radrntn

radrntn — Fri, 19 Oct 2012 00:29:52 +0000

just saying if they would of, could of ,should of, is all hype……bottom line they lost….and there are plenty of more reasons than this. If they did and missed, article would have been, does allen regret trying that kick?

By: autumnwind999

autumnwind999 — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 17:14:46 +0000

talonh says:Oct 18, 2012 12:14 PM

Seabass is 38 for 68 55.9% career from 50+. Shane Lechler is your punter.

Coach made the correct decision.

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More recently, Janikowski is 9 of his last 12 from 50+ (75%).

All three misses over that span were on grass, outdoor fields and one of the three was blocked.

This game was in a dome.

Whether he makes it or misses it, not going for it sends a message about playing scared. That’s something we never had to worry about with Hue Jackson.

Should’ve kicked it.

By: keithdylan

keithdylan — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 16:17:40 +0000

As a Raider fan living in Dallas I see the same criticisms of Allen that I heard down here about Jimmy Johnson during his first season. Not saying Allen will win 2 Super Bowls, but I know a guy who played football with him at A & M and he told me no one will out work Allen. They are rebuilding. They are playing a guy at corner that has never played it before. They have below average receivers/linemen on both sides of the ball/and almost any other position you can name. Give them time. To quote Shemp, “Rome wasn’t built in a day, neither was Syracuse.”

By: talonh

talonh — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 16:14:52 +0000

Seabass is 38 for 68 55.9% career from 50+. Shane Lechler is your punter.

Coach made the correct decision.

By: atthemurph

atthemurph — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 16:10:21 +0000

Actually, Sebass is about 50% from that distance. What the coach would be risking is about a 50% chance of putting 3 points on the board v. giving the Falcons a very short field.

I think he did exactly the right thing. Try to pin them deep and that defense that people are saying he didn’t trust can keep them deep and you create a field position advantage.

If All-Pro punter Lechler pins ATL deep rather than kicking into the EZ maybe OAK wins the game and nobody is questioning the decision to kick.

By: armoderate

armoderate — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 15:48:24 +0000

Actually, it’s not a chip shot even for him.
Sebastian Janikowski is about 70% from +50. That early in the game seems like sound reasoning. If
Janikowski would have missed and the Falcons had marched down and scored, everyone would have criticized Allen for not punting. Maybe if Allen could trust his defense, he would have kicked it. But you’re in Atlanta with a good team, you don’t gamble that early in the game.

By: mgdsquiggy17

mgdsquiggy17 — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 15:45:54 +0000

“A 58 yarder for Seabass is like a 40 yarder for anyone else.”

Anything to back this up besides your own opinion? Didn’t think so.

By: mgdsquiggy17

mgdsquiggy17 — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 15:39:37 +0000

“The idea of trading points for field position is ludicrous.”

Disagree. In most cases yes it is ludicrous. However when you are talking about slightly over 50% chance of getting those points or pinning them deep and not letting them have the ball at around midfield I’d go with the punt.

By: mgdsquiggy17

mgdsquiggy17 — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 15:37:20 +0000

“A 58 yard FG for Seabass isn’t a big deal.”

He is 36-68 on 50+ yard field goals. so 55.9% on his career from 50+. So while he definitely has the leg to kick a 58 yard FG the chances of him making that field goal are almost a coin flip. So in this case I think it was the correct call.

Plus like Nabby said they picked off Ryan 2 plays later so not kicking that FG didn’t cause them to lose the game. Nice try though.

By: NabbyNab

NabbyNab — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 15:18:22 +0000

As strong as Jano’s leg is, it doesn’t mean he’s automatic. He’s slightly above 50% for his career in 50+ yd FG’s. His percentage for over 55 yds is probably lower too.

Not to mention, two play later the Raiders picked off Ryan and kicked a FG as a result. This had no affect on the game.

By: jacobslatter

jacobslatter — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 15:18:08 +0000

It’s a dome stadium down in Georgia, baby.

Kick the field goal.

By: nmrdr795

nmrdr795 — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 15:16:48 +0000

Im with allen id rather back them up then give them half a field to score. Then sebas misses and people are saying y did he go for it…punt it idiot. People know everything after the facts. Smart coaching finally.

By: realitypolice

realitypolice — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:54:52 +0000

I never understand the “not that early in the game” concept. Are field goals worth more in the fourth quarter? If you have “every confidence in the world” in your kicker, you take points where you can get them. The idea of trading points for field position is ludicrous.

Doesn’t it occur to anyone that leaving points on the table is the REASON you are forced later in the game to take more risks to make up for the points you didn’t get earlier?

By: raiderapologist

raiderapologist — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:45:43 +0000

Raiders have a good kicker and a good punter, and use them both too much. Having to settle for a kick after being 2nd and goal at the 1 bothered me a lot more than not trying one from 58.

By: clubergo

clubergo — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:37:50 +0000

You try to move up in the first round of the draft and everyone keeps yapping. Shuta this is not the 70′s

By: broncosnative

broncosnative — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:33:21 +0000

Here’s a fact, jano has a better chance making a 58 yard field goal than the raiders winning a game. When the best player on your team is the kicker, you let him do his job

By: raiderlyfe510

raiderlyfe510 — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:28:48 +0000

Too bad Hue Jackson couldn’t get that “one- year tryout” honeymoon Dennis Allen’s getting.

By: 7pints

7pints — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:26:51 +0000

Boy Jokeland fans sure have little to talk about these days, huh? Lol

By: r8rsfan

r8rsfan — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:20:12 +0000

This season is basically a 16 game tryout for next year for everyone except the coaches. All things considered, the most effective player on this squad right now is Jano. I think most coaches would want to utilize their best weapons whenever the opportunity arises. Playing it safe has NEVER been the Raider way.

By: joetoronto

joetoronto — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:12:07 +0000

db105 says:
Oct 18, 2012 8:03 AM
FG tries of over 50 yards is not a high percentage kick. Just because it’s in a kickers range doesn’t mean it’s a chip shot. Seems like most of you have poor understanding of odds and probability and risk and reward.
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Not when it comes to Seabass, he’ll make that kick 9 times out of 10.

It seems like it’s YOU that has a poor understanding here, buddy.

By: ghostofgilchrist

ghostofgilchrist — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 13:59:22 +0000

Must be a slow news day to fret over a 1st quarter decision…

By: autumnwind999

autumnwind999 — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 13:56:46 +0000

ddogdaddy says:Oct 18, 2012 7:49 AM

This is a classic case of Monday oops Tuesday no wrong again, Wednesday, sorry missed it by a day, Thursday morning quarterbacking. You could do this every week, every game and every with every coach. Come on MDS, give us something news worthy.

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I was on a live chat of one of the Raiders beat writers during the game and there was unanimous backlash from the fans and even the reporter right when the punt was called. So, no, this isn’t a case of MMQB.

Dennis Allen is not an aggressive coach.

By: raiderlyfe510

raiderlyfe510 — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 13:52:31 +0000

Hue Jackson and Lane AKA Lance Kiffin would have done it. We didnt draft SeaBass in the 1st to kick chip shots. 50+ yarders is what he was drafted for.

By: tdk24

tdk24 — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 12:58:44 +0000

I have no problem with that call. We settle for way too many FG’s. Get in that damn endzone!

By: camdenyard

camdenyard — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 12:50:43 +0000

Sure, set Matt Ryan up at midfield in the 1st quarter. That would be a dumb move.

By: nodindenver

nodindenver — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 12:49:54 +0000

It does not make sense that a coach does not take advantage of his team strengths. Seabass is one of the best kickers in football and any time he is in range he should be used. That three would have won the game and people would be talking about a victory instead of yet another loss. You Play To Win The Game!

By: tombradyswig

tombradyswig — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 12:44:42 +0000

Is Dennis Allen 16 or 17 years old?

Dude looks like a KID!

By: gronkspike802

gronkspike802 — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 12:44:16 +0000

A 58 yarder for Seabass is like a 40 yarder for anyone else. He says he has “all the confidence in the world in Sebastian”, yet his actions show otherwise. If the have the best kicker in the league, USE HIM. Also, if you are playing a team with a great offense, why wouldn’t you want to put up as many points as possible instead of just giving them mediocre field position? The Raiders where a long shot to win this anyways, they should of known to go for points ANY time they could.

By: marty2020

marty2020 — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 12:32:53 +0000

I agree with the coach here. You don’t try 58 yard field goals in the first quarter. If you miss, which is likely, you give the opponent a short field. The percentage play is to punt and try to pin them deep.