Kluwe will debate an empty chair over marriage equality

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Vikings punter Chris Kluwe wants to debate a supporter of the proposed Minnesota marriage amendment, which would limit the definition of the term to a union between a man and a woman.  But invitations extended to folks like former Vikings center Matt Birk and Congresswoman Michele Bachmann weren’t accepted.

So Kluwe will be debating an empty chair.

Yes, the tactic has been used recently by Clint Eastwood, but if no one will step up to the stage and take on Kluwe, then he has no choice.

The “debate” will happen Friday night, and it will be “moderated” by local radio personality Tom Bernard.  Here’s hoping he keeps the chair in line.

61 responses to “Kluwe will debate an empty chair over marriage equality

  1. Kluwe better watch it. In recent polling, when added to the Presidential race as a third-party candidate, The Chair was leading.

  2. Who cares what this guy thinks? He’s a freaking punter who just wants to see his name in the headlines!

  3. I will definitely be watching. Kluwe is an American hero.

    I wish the Lions could find a trade for MIN where he was a throw in since we have one of the worst punters in the league.

  4. mycm1127 says:
    Oct 18, 2012 4:39 PM
    Who cares what this guy thinks? He’s a freaking punter who just wants to see his name in the headlines!
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    Who makes more money than you ever will.

  5. Its a good thing Michele Bachmann didn’t except. Listening, thinking, and then speaking is not her forte.

  6. I used to like kluwe but he’s getting annoying… Can he even vote in MN??? I’m pretty sure he lives in CA for most of the year… I think its time we look for a punter who’s not so starved for attention that he’ll say anything to get in the news… Go back to Cali buddy

  7. This is a logical fallacy:

    “Minnesota marriage amendment, which would limit the definition of the term to a union between a man and a woman.”

    You are implying that gay marriage has been already legal and is now becoming illegal.

    The correct term is actually “would ban gay marriage”, same sex marraige was NEVER legal in minesotta, you morons

  8. An empty chair has about as valid an argument against gay marriage as anyone you could put in the chair would.

    Just put a sign on it that says “It’s Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve!!!!!1111!!!” and it’s actually more logical than Michelle Bachmann or Rick Santorum.

  9. What’s with the hate on punters? I mean, I get not caring much about them either way, but posters on here act like punters stole their car and slept with their wife. Yes, they only play a few downs a game – they’re still more famous than 99% of the population.

  10. Our government has no right to limit our liberty on many accounts along with deciding who can marry. With that said, Kluwe comes off like an attention Wh*** and I doubt the way he spreads the message will be well recieved by the conservative mids he is trying to change. Kind of like the college kids coming to my house to ask me to vote no on the marriage ammendment….. and the voter ID bill. Make it a liberal thing…

  11. This is rather awesome. It highlights the lacf of moral fiber of those opposed to it; if you feel so strongly about the measure, then by all means defend it in a debate to the best of your ability.

    The problem is, they can’t defend it without sounding like the hate spewing, close minded bigots that they are.

    Bottom line, it’s a moot point because the Supreme Court WILL rule on this in the coming year and if you think we’ll see a replay of the Dread Scott decision then you’re living in the wrong century.

  12. dylanmanning11 says:
    Oct 18, 2012 4:57 PM
    This is a logical fallacy:

    “Minnesota marriage amendment, which would limit the definition of the term to a union between a man and a woman.”

    You are implying that gay marriage has been already legal and is now becoming illegal.

    The correct term is actually “would ban gay marriage”, same sex marraige was NEVER legal in minesotta, you morons
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    Um, thats what the amendment to the MN state Constitution would do, it would make the definition of marriage to between one man and one woman. Making it, so it will be impossible for two dudes or two women to get hitched, legal like.

    The verb-age used in the story in no way speaks to the current legality of same sex unions.

  13. I know evangelical Christians who oppose gay marriage because of their beliefs…and they also support it because a ban on gay marriage is unconstitutional.

    Granted there are probably like 4 people in America who fall into this category (I know 3 of them), but they understand that, in America, the Constitution–not your religion–is the basis of all American law.

    Anyone who knows anything knows that there is no Constitutionally sound argument against gay marriage. My friends recognize this largely because they are in law school, or have taken several pre-law undergraduate courses.

    People like Matt Birk just don’t have a legal leg to stand on.

  14. dizoakiusmaximus

    I’ll be surprised if the ruling is anything less than 6-3 in favor of equality. It might even be 7-2. I doubt Scalia or Thomas will see the light. Scalia still thinks you can legislate against sodomy–talk about a fundamental misunderstanding of the Constitution.

    I don’t know where Alito will fall–probably in the wrong direction.

    I’ll be very surprised if Roberts and Kennedy don’t side against DOMA and Prop 8.

  15. “Its a good thing Michele Bachmann didn’t except. Listening, thinking, and then speaking is not her forte.”

    Spelling is not yours my friend.

  16. Well, today the NY State Supreme Court struck down DOMA as unconstitutional, so it’s already rolling. This is a big deal, by the way, as any argument the opponents would have would rest on the precedent of DOMA as introduced by 104th Congress and signed by President Clinton.

    If that is struck down as unconstitutional, then there’s nowhere else to go, except to make your prima facie case as “But it’s icky and God says it’s a no-no.”

  17. *correction: It was the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. I’m not a lawyer, I just play one on TV.

  18. “skolvikings2011 says:
    Oct 18, 2012 5:11 PM
    “… Professional Congresswoman…”

    I was going to say something about ‘bush league’ about the subject at hand but that might be construed as sexist.

  19. Lets all remember that the chair has a valid opinion too and likely has a higher intelligence than that of combining Harry (the village idiot) Reid and Nancy (we have to pass the bill to see what in it) pelosi.

  20. I’ll debate him. Take away the behavior and they are indistinguishable from people. Its not a civil rights issue. Follow the pre-requisites for marriage, an institution of the church. Get your own term to decribe your union. Twinkling comes to mind.

  21. But it IS icky and God says its wrong.

    Now go ahead and lecture me on how tolerant you are as you hurl slurs.

  22. They should redefine marriage to allow a human to marry an animal too. It makes about as much sense when one examines the purpose of marriage in the first place.

  23. likely has a higher intelligence than that of combining Harry (the village idiot) Reid and Nancy (we have to pass the bill to see what in it) pelosi.
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    Add John (Orange Tan) Boehner and Mitch (Mumbles) McConnell to that list, and it’s easy to see why a lot of people think it doesn’t matter who controls each house of Congress, we’re f***ed either way.
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    Bachman is hot compared to Sotomayor or Kagan.
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    Perhaps, but hearing the knee-jerk, party line crap coming from any of them is enough to give any man a limpie.
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    Getting back to the subject–I believe the idea of amending the state constitution this way is to make it more difficult to pass a law allowing gay marriage. If this passes, an amendment repealing this provision would have to be passed before any law allowing gay marriage could be passed.

    Speaking as someone who opposed gay marriage for a long time, I have to admit that I’m in favor of it now. Why shouldn’t gays be as unhappy as straight married people?

  24. Kluwe is supporting this cause because so much of their fan base is of that persuasion.

    He’s helping the Vikings sell tickets so it is in his vested interest to support this cause.

  25. JSpicoli

    You first assume that God exists. You then assume that God cares. And you follow that up by assuming that God talked to humans. And then you assume that humans understood him.

    What you cannot assume, however, is the secular nature of our laws. God says it’s wrong, you say. Fine. Tell me where the Constitution says it’s and then we’ll have a discussion.

    As for people like me being intolerant? That’s a real convenient inconsistency. I never try to take away any rights from Christians, nor do I support laws to single them out.

    In fact, I champion your right to think gay marriage is wrong.

    I think believing in an unmistakably mistranslated, misunderstood, inconsistent and historically inaccurate book is wrong.

    The difference is, I’ not trying to legislate my religious beliefs into the system. You do not have that right. It was not conferred by God and it is not conferred by the supreme law of the land–the U.S. Constitution.

    If you don’t like gay marriage, don’t get gay married. I don’t like your beliefs, so that’s why I don’t go to church.

  26. All of these Christian Taliban haters getting mad at Chris Kluwe for having an opinion and not being afraid to express it.

    It’s funny how many of you guys love football, but hate football players. You want players to just be quiet, entertain you, sign your merch so you can sell it on eBay, and then vanish when they get hurt.

    If Pat Tilman were still alive, he’d be standing side by side with Chris Kluwe on this issue.

  27. matty507

    Are you including the definition of marriage that says you have to marry your dead brother’s widow should she still be a virgin?

    Why aren’t you fighting for those laws?

    If you don’t like the word choice, call it something else. Don’t try to pretend like you have any principled opposition toward using the term.

  28. Johntonio……..if you’re correct, why are drugs illegal? There has to be some moral standards, and they have to come from GOD, otherwise, anything goes, and that is an unlivable life.

  29. Funny how Kluwe uses his warped knowledge of his brand of Christianity to defend his position, and then goes and poses for a gay magazine. If he really knew the Lord, he would realize that he is on the wrong side of this issue, and that his actions are speaking louder than his words.

  30. Not everyone has tons of extra time on their hands like you Mr. Kluwe……you punt a football 4-5 times a game and earn a weeks wage for it. Birk lives in Baltimore and is a Center for a offensive line (his football job is a bit more demanding than yours). Bachmann is attempting to win re election right now. Needless to say, both people have a little more on their plate right now then “debating” you over whether gays should or shouldn’t be allowed to marry. Congrats for your stance but good grief……why so intense about it? Cast your vote and settle down…..how about the 8% in this country that are unemployed right now….doesn’t that warrant any press from you Kluwe?

  31. The Doctor says:
    Oct 18, 2012 11:11 PM
    Funny how Kluwe uses his warped knowledge of his brand of Christianity to defend his position, and then goes and poses for a gay magazine. If he really knew the Lord, he would realize that he is on the wrong side of this issue, and that his actions are speaking louder than his words.
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    This isn’t a religious issue!

  32. We have it backward. The problem is the government recognizing marriages at all. All religious couplings can be marriages or whatever term they want to use and left in those churches. The government shouldn’t recognize anything along these lines except civil unions for tax purposes. Can we get back to football now?

  33. Will there be room in the room for the chair with Kluwe’s ever growing ego and Tom Bernard’s ego all in the same room?

  34. johntonioholmes, Wow! you sure know how to dominate a thread. Thank you for all of your brilliant wisdom. I didn’t think i got my fill with 12 years of public education and then four years of College. way to force your world view down people’s throat. Stop being so closed minded and intolerant towards the Bible. Oh, i almost forgot bigoted and xenophobic.

  35. thatswhatimsayin says:
    Oct 19, 2012 1:58 PM
    johntonioholmes, Wow! you sure know how to dominate a thread. Thank you for all of your brilliant wisdom. I didn’t think i got my fill with 12 years of public education and then four years of College. way to force your world view down people’s throat. Stop being so closed minded and intolerant towards the Bible. Oh, i almost forgot bigoted and xenophobic.
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    Sorry man Johntonioholmes is right on mark. I am a christian, but there is no place in a state, or our nation’s constitution for legislation based on religious beliefs. His feelings on the bible and its teachings are his, and he has every right as an American to express them, just like you have every right to disagree with his opinion.

  36. Good for Kluwe. It sounds like the chair has more courage than the people supporting gay marriage.

  37. thatswhatimsayin

    Are you serious? Stop forcing MY views down YOUR throat?

    What a twisted perception of the world

    You have every right to believe what you want to believe. That’s literally what I’ve said in almost every post.

    I will defend your right to be a Christian if it’s the last thing I do.

    But you do not have any right to force your beliefs upon anyone else. And that’s exactly what you have done.

    Please explain to me how saying, “We shouldn’t make laws based off of religion” is forcing my worldview onto you. If you want to live in a theocracy, move to Iran.

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