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The signed a CBA giving that power to Goodell as long as the processes were deemed fair and transparent.

Again, please answer one question: Why do you think these players should not receive a fair proceeding?

Answer the question please.

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Conflict of interest is not simply a legal term. You seem to be under the impression that the CBA allows unfairness. It does not. Otherwise none of this would have gone to court in the first place.

I agree. Fujita’s career is probably over and Vilma stinks. Plus the Saints are a dead end 2-4 team with almost no shot at the postseason. Nobody cares about losing teams.

I thought football players were MEN, take your punishment and move one, I mean really Scott your suspension was one game, could have been done and over with a long time ago, you’ve spent more money on attorneys than you would have lost for the game. And some people might still respect you, I know I don’t any more.

SO Goodell will not ever pick someone that does not have NFL ties and the NFLPA will not accept anyone who has NFL ties. I guess this will have to be settled by reading the agreement between the NFL and the NFLPA.

Looks like Goodell wins in that case.

If this keeps up, by the time the current CBA is up, the players may give anything to take some of the commissioners power away. And if they give up enough, the owners would do it.

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this actually makes a lot of sense. i can see something like this coming out in a book that is written in about 30 years or so, one of those …”remember back in the early 2010s? let me tell you why all of that happened … “

If this keeps up, by the time the current CBA is up, the players may give anything to take some of the commissioners power away. And if they give up enough, the owners would do it.

Did you have a contract that is not being fulfilled for reasons only known to your boss?

Goodell has every right to judge the appeal himself, however he recused himself, and in doing that he has every right to pick who he wants to judge that appeal.

This is what was agreed upon in the CBA.

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The CBA is null and void if the process is deemed unfair.

Besides that, you people keep invoking the CBA as an end run around the whole “fairness” issue. I would like you to answer this simple question: Why do you believe these players don’t deserve a fair process?

then we will see how many “fans” agree with the players or if they will final realize that what is happening right now was allowed to happen when the PLAYERS, THROUGH THE NFLPA SIGNED THE CBA … it’s a simple as that. when this CBA expires then fight to take some power back but until then just play by the rules that you agreed to. I’m sure if the NFL came out and said “you know what, in the CBA we agreed to pay the players a certain percentage but we just don’t feel thats in our best interest right now so we are going to overlook that little piece of the SIGNED/SEALED/DELIVERED CBA and pay less now”

all based on hearsay and no proof that anything actually took place on the field.

This is what was agreed upon in the CBA. For those of you that are talking about fairness, that is why there was negotiations last year. Last year 31 teams signed the agreement that stated that this process is/was fair.

Now a couple players are crying foul at every turn. Even if I believed them innocent, I would be starting to believe them guilty as they keep trying to change the game so to speak to favor themselves.

This needs to be over, they need to shut up and go through the appeals process and then see where they are instead of crying about everything that hasn’t happened yet.

The NFLPA: We want somebody other than Goodell…but not Tagliabue. The players agreed to the CBA which gives Goodell the option to retain appeal authority or appoint whomever he chooses. Goodell did not need to step aside but he did. These guys will whine about anything. Now they want somebody else. Are they expecting the league to appoint some union hack to serve the NFLPA in this? The union will cry no matter who is picked. If they find somebody acceptable and the decision remains the same, they will still cry foul. It is ridiculous. Three players may be able to get their punishment reduced but not Vilma. Even his hand-picked judge, Berrigan, said in open court that Vilma essentially admitted to exactly what Goodell has accused him of. Just get this mess over with already. The more the NFLPA whines, the more I can’t stand these particular players.

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You seriously cannot see that there is an inherent conflict of interest with Tagliabue’s appointment to this case???? Seriously???

Personally I think Tag will rise above all the chaff and potential bias and hand down a fair ruling. But that doesn’t mean that he should’ve been appointed in the first place.

Some of you seem to confuse “whining” and “legal loopholes” with you know, actual fairness. Our country’s system of justice is constructed around fairness, and you can talk about the CBA all you want, but at the end of the day the NFL, like any other business, has the responsibility to provide fairness to its employees. It’s very a simple concept.

No, all they want is a non-bias arbitrator, is that so much to ask. The NFLPA represents all players and is made up of players from all teams and they believe the Saints players are innocent. No player in the league believes they are guilty. Goodell and fans of other teams are the only ones that believe they are guilty. When I say they are not guilty I mean they did not play dirty, if you take the money out of it they did nothing wrong and that is why the players are fighting. Yea they did get caught and they do deserve a suspension but league needs to get it right. Until then they will keep fighting. Y’all keep bringing up Greg Williams statement saying it proved they did it. His statement said that he DID NOT institute a bounty program and he never put money in one but he says, yea Vilma offered $10,000. He also says he has never seen the money, now that someone you can trust.