Can you please decipher that unbroken string of nonsense???

The NFL is the only side that is willing to abide by the CBA that both sides agreed to.

Just because you and the players don’t like the result, doesn’t mean the process has not been fair.

The players are being suspended for conduct detrimental to the league.

Based on their continued attempts to circumvent the CBA – an additional suspension for further conduct detrimental to the league is probably in order.

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If you need me to speak to you like an elementary student I will be happy to oblige.

1) The NFL’s process has not been fair. Evidence is mostly hearsay with no solid proof of anything. The CBA says it has to be a fair process Goodell, contrary to what most believe isn’t above the law he can’t just say because I feel like it.

2)This has nothing to do with bounties, it is all PR so the NFL can say they care about players and reduce the money that they have to pay out for the concussion lawsuits.

3)Pay for performance pools as described in the CBA states that you can’t suspend players for violating this rule, you can fine them however.

4)None of the evidence adds up to the punishments.

Keep drinking the koolaid and please refrain from making a fool of yourself.

a federal judge does not see it that way. the CBA states that a fair appeal must be given. It was far from that. That UNDERMINES the CBA.

Ethical way to conduct business?! You mean not formally accusing players, then letting them know they are accused and suspended on ESPN? Or claiming they were suspended for being warned and continuing when 2 players weren’t even on the team after the “warning”? refusing to show any evidence and claiming to have thousands of pages? Then when “evidence” is shown it is shown to be false, not accurate, or miss-characterized? I could go on, like how Goodell is being hypocritical by coming down on player safety and still pushing for conditions that directly contradict that, but I digress.

ETHICAL WAY TO BUSINESS? HA!

To everyone parroting the same mantra “They should have never signed and agreed to the CBA, take your punishment like men!,” when one party of the CBA attempts to UNDERMINE it, that’s against the law!

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The only parties of the CBA that are attempting to “UNDERMINE” or circumvent the formally approved and voted on written agreement are the players and the NFLPA.

It’s not against the law as you claim, but it sure is an ethical way to conduct business.

It also states in the CBA that the players are guaranteed a fair process, this has been nowhere close to being fair and impartial. Goofell is covering the owners in the pending lawsuits this has nothing to do with bounties that didn’t exist in the first place. Sure there was a player pool going on but that is also stated in the CBA that you can’t suspend a player for that infraction only fine them so the NFL is wrong no matter how you look at it.

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Can you please decipher that unbroken string of nonsense???

The NFL is the only side that is willing to abide by the CBA that both sides agreed to.

Just because you and the players don’t like the result, doesn’t mean the process has not been fair.

The players are being suspended for conduct detrimental to the league.

Based on their continued attempts to circumvent the CBA – an additional suspension for further conduct detrimental to the league is probably in order.

What are you talking about? Are you talking about Fujita? What is he getting a pass for? When did I give someone a pass?

That brings me to another point though. Goodell claims these punishments were being warned and continuing the “oh so malicious head hunting” program. If that is true, why is Fujita punished at all? he was no longer with the saints after 2009 and the “warning”. Also, when did the league ever “warn” the players.

goodell and the nfl have attempted to undermine the CBA as evidenced by their Mosaic of inconsistencies that has been widely reported.

I agree, it doesn’t look good on the face of it, but we have to remember that this is an employment discipline hearing not a criminal/civil hearing (yet anyway).

Also, nowhere in the CBA does it require either party to produce or compel witnesses to attend to give oral evidence. Neither does the CBA mention if either parties witnesses can be cross-examined even if they are in attendance. (this is just more examples of the NFLPA drafting the CBA poorly and with a lack of foresight IMO)

However, I think that it is time for the NFL to just produce the witnesses as requested and make this distraction go away… and they should probably do this in return for acknowledgement of Tagiabue as arbitrator by the NFLPA and Vilma.

Most union contracts at fortune 100 employers have a 3rd party available as the last grievance stage regarding most management/union grievance disputes

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and the NFLPA didn’t make that a requirement in the CBA, thus, they shouldn’t get one. Which is what we’re all saying.

Also note the word “most” in your response.

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Goodell has been very faithful to the CBA. It’s certain players and the NFLPA that are constantly trying to not follow the agreement.

And the suspensions weren’t “canceled” they were just sent back to Goodell because of a minor technicality.

The suspensions have been adjusted and reissued.

In the near future they will be implemented.

Just as it states in the CBA.

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It also states in the CBA that the players are guaranteed a fair process, this has been nowhere close to being fair and impartial. Goofell is covering the owners in the pending lawsuits this has nothing to do with bounties that didn’t exist in the first place. Sure there was a player pool going on but that is also stated in the CBA that you can’t suspend a player for that infraction only fine them so the NFL is wrong no matter how you look at it.

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Goodell has been very faithful to the CBA. It’s certain players and the NFLPA that are constantly trying to not follow the agreement.

And the suspensions weren’t “canceled” they were just sent back to Goodell because of a minor technicality.

The suspensions have been adjusted and reissued.

In the near future they will be implemented.

Just as it states in the CBA.

Ridiculous. I’ve never heard of a company being required to have a 3rd party arbitrate employee discipline. Sure, players can file suit but how can the NFL possibly enforce safety discipline if it has to defer to a 3rd party like the NFLPA wants?

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Most union contracts at fortune 100 employers have a 3rd party available as the last grievance stage regarding most management/union grievance disputes

well i do know that there only credible evidence is the affidavits from williams’ and cerullo. problem is they contradict each other. One affidavit from a coach trying to get back into the league, and one from a fired coach who pledged revenge. Why won’t the NFL agree to have them testify, as the accused have asked?

I am on the owners side in this 100%.

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Arguably, there is plenty of evidence. What I see as the real issue is the quality of such evidence and how Goodell preferred to place weight on different pieces of evidence.

Just because many think that Goodell relied on the wrong evidence because they prefer a different version of events (i.e. the players testimony as opposed to Williams and the snitches evidence), that does not mean there is no evidence.

Who had the most to lose in this whole situation? The coaches. If they blow the whistle they lose likely further employment. They didn’t put up the fight.

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Who did Vilma injure? Anyone who has a brain could go back and watch the game and see that Brees was getting hit late also, JUST LIKE FAVRE. Most of the “late” hits on favre were very questionable. The defense hit him as he was releasing the ball. Do you know anything about momentum? No one was aiming for favre’s ankles. get real, and get over it.

Who had the most to lose in this whole situation? The coaches. If they blow the whistle they lose likely further employment. They didn’t put up the fight.

Knowing that neither side will ever cede to the other sides proposed arbitrator just means that the appeal hearing will never happen, thus the players will never have to serve any suspension because the appeal will remain in flux forever.

Just let Berrigan have her moment and get this before the circuit courts where her decision will, quite likely, be overturned.