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Belichick takes another chance on a “wild child”

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Last year, when Patriots coach Bill Belichick swung post-lockout trades for defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth and receiver Chad Ochocinco, many said that Belichick would have been criticized heavily for the move if he didn’t have the benefit of the doubt that comes from having three pelts on the wall.  And so the moves were regarded as another example of his genius.

Even an idiot could see that, in hindsight, the trades cried out for criticism.

So will Belichick be criticized for rolling the dice on a player his former head coach once called a “wild child“?  Belichick gave up a fourth-round pick for Bucs cornerback Aqib Talib and a seventh-round selection, a significant investment for a player who currently is on suspension for using Adderall and whose rookie contract expires after the season.

Is Talib talented?  Yes.  Is he troubled?  Yes.  Is he on a one-strike arrangement in New England?  Undoubtedly.

Talib has had more than a few second chances.  He had multiple failed marijuana tests in college.  His coaches at Kansas had nothing good to say about him prior to the 2008 draft.  He got into a fight with a teammate at the rookie symposium.  He swung a helmet at left tackle Donald Penn during practice and busted another teammate in the face with it.  He’s had multiple arrests.  He’s now suspended.

Belichick surely sees this as a low-risk, high-reward proposition.  If Talib stays on the right path, he will instantly upgrade the New England secondary.  And if the Pats can squat on his rights with a long-term deal that favors the team in the short term and rewards Talib if he plays well, they’ll get more than seven regular-season games out of their fourth-round pick.

If they want him for more than seven games.

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  1. canetic says: Nov 1, 2012 8:04 PM

    It seems wrong to reward Talib with a trade to the Super Bowl contending Patriots. He should only be allowed to be traded to Jacksonville or KC.

  2. jmota222 says: Nov 1, 2012 8:08 PM

    Have you seen the pats current secondary ?? It’s a joke!!! I would take the risk with Talib any day of the week and twice on Sundays …..

  3. azarkhan says: Nov 1, 2012 8:08 PM

    This is a trade the Patriots had to make. Their run defense is outstanding (ranked #8), and they can apply some pressure to the QB with Jones and Ninkovich, who have 10 sacks between them. The offense is, as always, excellent (ranked #1). It’s the secondary that is killing the Pats, so Belichick must do whatever he can to shore it up. After all, Brady can’t play forever; the window is closing. So he gives up a 4th round pick. Big deal. The Patriots still have their picks for the first three rounds of the 2013 draft.

  4. gotampabay52 says: Nov 1, 2012 8:21 PM

    Pat fans you don’t watch football. Eli and Romo tourched talib. His only picks are over thrown balls or undr thrown balls. He is not that good

  5. ampats says: Nov 1, 2012 8:22 PM

    High Risk/High Reward

  6. heisthejuan says: Nov 1, 2012 8:26 PM

    Even Sanchez looked good against the Pats secondary, so they had to do something. Hopefully Talib has the sense to realize how important the next few months are to his NFL future and post-playing prosperity.

  7. milkmandanimal says: Nov 1, 2012 8:28 PM

    Well, they had to give Talib a shot.

    Wait, no, Aqib, that’s not what I meant by “shot”!

  8. TheWizard says: Nov 1, 2012 8:32 PM

    I take it as a sign that Bill thinks they have a real shot at it this year. Again.

    Staying status quo with this defensive backfield wasn’t a good option, it’s their only weak spot.

  9. east96st says: Nov 1, 2012 8:34 PM

    NE better hope they don’t face the Giants again in the Super Bowl with Aqib. Hakeem Nicks lit him up like a Xmas Tree and Nicks did it on one leg. 10 receptions for 199 yards. If the replacements refs didn’t let Aqib hang allover Nicks, he would have gone for over 250 yds.

  10. bigpap says: Nov 1, 2012 8:34 PM

    Bill is batting about .500 on these problem cases, and Talib seems a little worse than normal. Be interesting to see how this works out. Cant say om crazy about the move, but the Pats do need the help in the secondary.

  11. ampats says: Nov 1, 2012 8:34 PM

    Right because gotampabay52 (et al) know more about football and defense than Bill Belichick ?

    Keep typing basement GM’s

  12. jackericsson says: Nov 1, 2012 8:35 PM

    Belichick must have seen tape on this guy that no one else has seen. *

  13. legeisyaj says: Nov 1, 2012 8:39 PM

    I say it’s a LOW risk move. And an easy one to make for a 4th rd pick. Pats neeeeeed help in the secondary, big time! Plus, belichick must have spoken to his buddy schiano.

  14. morgusthemagnificent says: Nov 1, 2012 8:39 PM

    Belichick is loading up to get ready for Peyton come January

  15. beastmode5150 says: Nov 1, 2012 8:43 PM

    Sad that athletes get so many more chances than white/blue collared workers…

  16. bullcharger says: Nov 1, 2012 8:45 PM

    Last year Belichick made it to the Super Bowl. So what if Albert and Chad didn’t work out, the Patriots were still better than 30 teams. Belichick is out there trying to win games. Every call is not right, but he gets it right more them almost every other team.

  17. amaf21 says: Nov 1, 2012 8:57 PM

    he can take meangelo hall while he’s at it.

  18. tigerlilac says: Nov 1, 2012 9:04 PM

    Actually, the pats get the Bears 7th rounder through the Bucs so the pasta will be moving down close to 100 players in the draft in return for Talib.

  19. geniusfan says: Nov 1, 2012 9:27 PM

    Belichick brought his team to the Super Bowl last year. That alone gives him tons of leverage and credibility his success allows him to take risks.

    Plus for all the criticism those two moves (Haynesworth and Ochocinco) brought him he still added Brian Waters who played at an elite level, and Anderson and Carter those three guys worked out pretty well. Can’t just point out the bad you have to point out the moves that worked as well.

  20. thefiesty1 says: Nov 1, 2012 9:33 PM

    There is a reason he’s suspended. How many chances do these low life’s get? Amazing.

  21. alexr5111 says: Nov 1, 2012 9:59 PM

    There is no risk involved with these trades. That’s the whole point. The Haynesworth and Ochocinco trades failed miserably and had NO negative effect on the team. They made the Super Bowl. They aren’t throwing out huge contracts to these guys nor are they giving up high draft picks. That’s why they’re being done. I’d like to see the numbers on 4th round draft choices. I would be willing to bet that less than 50% start more than one season. Talib fails? No skin off their back. On to the next one.

  22. quadya says: Nov 1, 2012 10:07 PM

    where else can known felons not only get a job but get paid a lot of money to do it…? gotta love the NFL….is be digging ditches if I had that rap.

  23. kagey7 says: Nov 1, 2012 10:15 PM

    Maybe he should hire a babysitter like Dez Bryant did. I see a whole new cottage industry sprouting.

  24. cunninglinguist69 says: Nov 1, 2012 10:28 PM

    Schiano gave Bill the inside scoop. He said, “Look, this guy’s good, but he’s already on his fourth chance here in Tampa. I’ve GOT to move him if I want to be able to have any credibility with the rest of the roster!”

  25. nflgreedleague says: Nov 1, 2012 10:37 PM

    Pats must be getting worried about all those great wr in their division!
    Seriously though, he’s got all the physical tools.
    It’s a low risk even if he’s gone after this year.
    IF, and yes that’s a big if, they can get his head straight (it’s your last chance kind of speech) he should be able to contribute to a injury torn beleaguered secondary.
    I would love to hear the anti-Ireland bunch in Miami if he’d pulled the trigger on this deal.

  26. clevername1 says: Nov 1, 2012 10:41 PM

    I’m a Pats fan here in the Tampa region. Gotta laugh at you Buc fans that think this guy all of a sudden sucks. Two months ago Talib was one of the best players on that team. Now he is gone and according to some of the drivel on the local sports talk radio he’s not capable of tying his shoes. Maybe now that he has moved on they will see a second game sold out. London calling?

  27. unbreakable02215 says: Nov 1, 2012 11:04 PM

    They don’t always do so hot with those mid rounders any way. They have a pretty deep roster. If a 4th rounder was gonna make the team next year he would have had to have been a steal. This is a good risk. Some of these he Whiffs on some he knocks out of the park. Kraft gives him the leeway to take chances like this.

    Seems like this guy can play. Corey Dillon could still play. Moss too back then. Chad ? Not so much. Haynesworth ? He didn’t even WANT to play. We’ll find out what this dude’s deal is soon enough.

  28. unbreakable02215 says: Nov 1, 2012 11:09 PM

    I’m sure he was told he’s reached the end of the line in The NFL if he effs this up so take advantage of the chance he’s been given and live clean. Can/will he do it ?

  29. addict2sport says: Nov 1, 2012 11:22 PM

    Honey Badger liked this trade. If someone is willing to take Talib, someone will draft the pothead.

  30. pantsfreezone says: Nov 1, 2012 11:25 PM

    The amount of credit given to Belichik boggles the mind. The guy isn’t Pat Reilly. He’s struck out on a ton of trades, pickup free agents and every draft since 2006.

    Talib will be like Ras I-Father Dowling Adventures, a reach, a bust and eventually waiver wire fodder.

  31. jboyxl73 says: Nov 1, 2012 11:52 PM

    It’s a move they needed to make , he is a guy BB was looking at drafting , but I hope he doesn’t rub off on Dennard the wrong way

  32. tralfaz1127 says: Nov 2, 2012 12:08 AM

    I remember when (prior to everyone realizing that Belichick was a cheater) that the Patriots were known as a team that would never take a chance on guys with questionable character, because they were above that. High and mighty. Stallworth, Ocho, Meriweather, now Talib shows it was all a sham. Bill never would have won a SB without the tuck rule and Brady.

  33. thermalito says: Nov 2, 2012 12:16 AM

    They had to do something. The Patriots secondary is awful.

  34. mullman76 says: Nov 2, 2012 12:45 AM

    William is a cheat…

  35. fortunefavorsthebolden says: Nov 2, 2012 1:07 AM

    7 games? I’m pretty sure they want him for 10, assuming they get the first round bye.

  36. eightandeightlions says: Nov 2, 2012 1:57 AM

    azarkhan says: Nov 1, 2012 8:08 PM

    This is a trade the Patriots had to make. Their run defense is outstanding (ranked #8), and they can apply some pressure to the QB with Jones and Ninkovich, who have 10 sacks between them. The offense is, as always, excellent (ranked #1). It’s the secondary that is killing the Pats, so Belichick must do whatever he can to shore it up. After all, Brady can’t play forever; the window is closing. So he gives up a 4th round pick. Big deal. The Patriots still have their picks for the first three rounds of the 2013 draft.
    ————————————————————–

    #8 out of 32 is outstanding? In school that would be a C-.

  37. jrs1972 says: Nov 2, 2012 2:40 AM

    jackericsson says: Nov 1, 2012 8:35 PM

    Belichick must have seen tape on this guy that no one else has seen. *

    —-
    OMG that was funny, theres been a glaring hole in the comedic world since carlin died, thankfully you have appeared, the world can laugh again.

    It could have been the funniest thing i have ever read if you used ‘belicheat’, try that next time, it’s not at all stale.

  38. joetoronto says: Nov 2, 2012 4:44 AM

    Talib is the turd of turds and there’s no excuse at all for signing him, IMO.

    Despicable.

  39. winstonpark says: Nov 2, 2012 5:23 AM

    @ampats

    Tampa fans know more about defense than any Patriot coach or fan. PERIOD!! Tampa 2 wasn’t named after the Hoodie, and he NEVER has a good defense.

  40. uwachampion says: Nov 2, 2012 5:24 AM

    Talib is overrated and nothing but a legal headache. He should be out of the league

  41. lockoftheweak says: Nov 2, 2012 5:31 AM

    Low risk move that can’t be compared to the Hayneswoth and Ocho experiments. Those two guys didn’t want to play. I believe Alib wants to play. I believe it’s closer the the Dillon or Moss experiments.

  42. barneyfifeactionfigure says: Nov 2, 2012 6:36 AM

    Not sure what Belichick should be criticized for. The Pat’s secondary is awful. This trade immediately improves their Achilles heel.

    In fact, I think you could rightly criticize Belichick for not making the secondary and even the defense more of a priority in the last couple of years. Brady only has 3-4 years of elite football left. Bill should have gone all in a couple of years ago IMO.

    I am glad to see he is doing that now, by moving up in the draft for marquee players and making trades to get talent here, but it is long past due.

  43. majbobby says: Nov 2, 2012 7:04 AM

    When was the last time the pats won a Super Bowl when they did not cheat. Just saying.

  44. redclaw1314 says: Nov 2, 2012 8:22 AM

    Bottom line this is a potential huge upgrade over the released Sterling Moore. At best Aqib plays to his potential and improves the secondary which is the only weakness of the team. If Aqib drinks the pats Koolaid he signs with the pats next year allowing the team to draft a postion other than db with their 1st pick (o-line or d-line pass rusher). This gamble for a low 4th rounder which rarely is an impact pick (teams overvalue draft picks).

  45. btintampa says: Nov 2, 2012 8:36 AM

    Tampa fan here.

    Talib has excellent raw talent. Against the Ravens, he got a hand on a ball, caught it between his ankles, rolled over with it, and got up and ran. Against Dallas a few weeks ago, he had an excellent jump on the ball to pick off a pass. He is strong at undercutting routes.

    That said, he often bites on the first move (see Akeem Nicks). In trail technique, he often jumps too early, and in general, he is still too inconsistent to be regarded as an “elite” DB.

    At to his off-field problems, I sensed a major change in him with this new coaching staff this season. The adderall was more a error in judgment than an error in heart. I don’t think this was just a matter of brooming him. I hope he works out for you.

  46. CKL says: Nov 2, 2012 9:10 AM

    @ barneyfife,
    He’s made the secondary a priority in the draft in round 1-4 for awhile. The problem is the guys he’s drafted haven’t worked out. He definitely deserves critique for those picks.

    He’s been slowly rebuilding the rest of the defense, that can’t happen overnight. There’s only guy left from the 09 defense who was starting then and is starting now (Wilfork). That’s a pretty major rebuild.

  47. gisellichek says: Nov 2, 2012 10:44 AM

    This move reeks of desperation… but as polarizing as BB is… he is trying to win and win now… gotta respect that…

  48. patriotenvy says: Nov 2, 2012 11:32 AM

    I’m starting to think good DBs are hard to come by.

  49. jolink653 says: Nov 2, 2012 11:54 AM

    winstonpark says:
    Nov 2, 2012 5:23 AM
    @ampats

    Tampa fans know more about defense than any Patriot coach or fan. PERIOD!! Tampa 2 wasn’t named after the Hoodie, and he NEVER has a good defense.

    __________________________________________________

    And that defense has won you how many Super Bowls? One, which is two less than what we won with an undeniably great defense which was much better than any defense Tampa Bay put together with Simeon Rice and Warren Sapp and Tampa has been a punchline ever since then

  50. CKL says: Nov 2, 2012 12:49 PM

    Wilfork AND Mayo…sorry JM!

  51. tigerlilac says: Nov 2, 2012 3:49 PM

    quadya says:
    where else can known felons not only get a job but get paid a lot of money to do it…?

    Are you being facetious? Try investment banking, advertising, or any job with big dollars that does not require a professional certification (eg., CPA, lawyer). The wealthy, if they are white (e.g., Stewart, Milken, Keating, Abramoff), do not do hard time and often live quite well after being released. Usually (think our recent banking scandel) charges are not even brought).

  52. patsfan15 says: Nov 5, 2012 6:23 PM

    gotampabay52 says: Nov 1, 2012 8:21 PM

    Pat fans you don’t watch football. Eli and Romo tourched talib. His only picks are over thrown balls or undr thrown balls. He is not that good

    To say that Pat’s fans do not watch football is absurd. You have to watch football to be a fan of any team. If you are going to criticize an entire fan base at least put some thought into it. Also the Patriots secondary can’t even pick the ball off from under/over throws so Talib is a definite step up from who they are putting on the field at this point.

    Also….You have to watch football to become a fan of any team. Logic is a crazy thing

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