Comments on: Andy Reid sticking with Michael Vick at QB

By: thedudeabides422

thedudeabides422 — Wed, 07 Nov 2012 01:10:54 +0000

How come nobody mentions Vick has the slowest release in the NFL. Stop scapegoating the O-line. You need a sundial to time his release.

By: dkuether017

dkuether017 — Tue, 06 Nov 2012 19:32:40 +0000

This entire topic is created by media hosts looking to de-throan another starting QB. Anyone with half-a-brain can see that MV is doing all he can to get things going, it’s NOT his fault when 3 of his linemen end up blocking the same NT and both ends and an OLB come running at him free and clear…what’s the guy supposed to do!? Through any QB in that spot and you’d see the same results.

You want to fix is Philly…stop signing high profile corners and go after some quality OL members.

-Not a Vick fan.

By: blackngold4life

blackngold4life — Tue, 06 Nov 2012 18:51:46 +0000

4 words.. run the damn ball..100 yards in the 1st half with Shady McCoy but you stop and go 4-5 wide with no protection for a man who’s gettin murdered as soon as he you he’s the ball? Coach Martty was terrible in Detroit don’t know how these dudes keep jobs in the NFL.The same old recycled names poppin up. Honestly I hope Vick is let go, and Philly fans get what they been asking 4 next year. An overpaid overrated SOFT Defense a 1st year QB and a overrated Head coach who really hasnt done nothing! We got room for y’all in #SteelerNation

By: jodimark

jodimark — Tue, 06 Nov 2012 18:36:04 +0000

Vick is not going to change, and the Eagles will not win a Super Bowl with him. He has too many flaws that have been there from his beginning in the NFL. He holds the ball too long. He doesn’t lead his receivers well enough to make the big plays. . .consistently. He is not able to anticipate where the receivers will be when his throw get in the vicinity. And, he is barely O.K. on the short throws. Oh yes, and one more thing. The pass defensive rushers are much faster today than when Vick entered the league, and he can’t out run them.
It is time to move on and give the rookie an opportunity t9o get some experience. I know it isn’t something we often see in the NFL, but it is time for another coach. Let’s get Gruden back to Philly. And I don’t see any positive reason to wait until the end of the season.

By: blackngold4life

blackngold4life — Tue, 06 Nov 2012 18:27:12 +0000

DAMN! did anybody besides me see that awful tackling by the secondary? And no pass rush from any one? Looks like you guys really overpaid on the defense for Nothing.. but that’s Vicks fault too I guess. Ya defense is just as bad

By: kacapaco

kacapaco — Tue, 06 Nov 2012 17:03:39 +0000

Not Vick’s fan @ all, but what I saw y’day is an embarrassing O line that can’t even hold till the QB finishes drop back & receivers who were dropping & tipping balls balls. I guess, the team is quitting.

By: blu4l1fe

blu4l1fe — Tue, 06 Nov 2012 16:42:46 +0000

There is definitely plenty of blame to go around the organization. And I do agree with someone’s statement to overhaul it from the ground up. And this is a team, from the beginning of last and this season, a player has not failed to state that they are championship caliber.

The Michael Vick experiment in Philly was doomed from the beginning, but it was just held over by some mediocre, at best, play and performance by Vick himself.

Vick’s ineptitude under center is just compounded by the O lines ineffectiveness to, I am sorry, but do their job. The same can be said of the receiver’s who can’t seem to catch. And a coaching staff, who inexplicably, insist on going away with what works (running game).

Keeping Vick as their QB until season’s end will not do anything for him, Reid or the team. Even at their best attempt, they can only probably win just a few more games to be .50. But at the same token, I don’t believe Foles would be the answer and may even be worse, as he is not as mobile as Vick is. At this point, I have to agree and just keep Vick and take the loss. There will definitely be a new coach, and maybe, QB for Philly next season.

By: ukpackfan

ukpackfan — Tue, 06 Nov 2012 16:42:43 +0000

whoever is known as mo on here can kiss me between the cheeks, calling me a racist with no basis whatsoever! You sir are scum and should be blocked from posting on this site

By: schmitty2

schmitty2 — Tue, 06 Nov 2012 16:34:16 +0000

blockedshotnyr says:Nov 6, 2012 10:34 AM

schmitty2 says:
Nov 6, 2012 9:52 AM
That loss was not squarely on Vick. The O-line is putrid and Demetress Bell has no business being on the field. For all of you making excuses about O-line injuries take a look at the Rams. They have Wayne “turnstile” Hunter and Barry Richardson starting and they were terrible before this year and have played above average.
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And a QB that makes quick decisions, recognizes defenses pre-snap and has decent pocket awareness…

I toally agree with you on that but how many qb’s would surviive when the defender is in their face before they even get done dropping back to pass?

By: blackngold4life

blackngold4life — Tue, 06 Nov 2012 16:22:52 +0000

Vick don’t even have time to run! Lol..and don’t give me that the line is missing starters.. my Steelers O-Line is the most beat up line every year, but our COACHING staff makes the necessary Adjustments to help Ben be successful..that’s the difference. And why nobody asking for coach Mud’s head? Personally I think the whole staff is gone next year and Vick remains the Philly QB

By: jc327

jc327 — Tue, 06 Nov 2012 16:09:27 +0000

As well he should. Mike Vick isn’t the problem… in fact if the Iggles had any QB other than Vick there’s no telling how many sacks that horrible line would have given up by now. Vick looks to be doing all can, maybe too much.

By: cow395

cow395 — Tue, 06 Nov 2012 15:55:41 +0000

deimtrus Bell frekin sucks

By: usmutts

usmutts — Tue, 06 Nov 2012 15:42:49 +0000

Where’s McNabb when you really need him?

By: dannythebisforbeast

dannythebisforbeast — Tue, 06 Nov 2012 15:41:27 +0000

Worst line in history yet rushed for big yards whole first half. When your line can’t pass block you do not go 5 wide with no help especially 1st and goal on the 5. you need to adjust to hide your weakness stubborn fat prick does not ever do that. They could have run all day on that team

By: deathmonkey41

deathmonkey41 — Tue, 06 Nov 2012 15:36:06 +0000

In a related story, Andy Reid went out to mourn at a local Cajun seafood joint. The Louisana Dept of Agriculture has reported the Crayfish population of the state had dipped by 20%.

By: blockedshotnyr

blockedshotnyr — Tue, 06 Nov 2012 15:34:16 +0000

And a QB that makes quick decisions, recognizes defenses pre-snap and has decent pocket awareness…

By: vicksprman

vicksprman — Tue, 06 Nov 2012 15:31:28 +0000

For everyone saying Vick should make pre snap reads watch the damn games if your ot can’t block the de what pre snap read is that? Geez stop and think. Celek was being held that’s why he couldn’t catch the ball. Damn

By: jb0621

jb0621 — Tue, 06 Nov 2012 15:28:48 +0000

Predictable play calling + terrible offensive line + a qb that holds on to the ball too long = a mess

By: meytonpanning

meytonpanning — Tue, 06 Nov 2012 15:19:50 +0000

I think being named the starting QB with that O-line is more of a bad thing than a good thing…

Seriously, if they throw Nick Foles in there they’re gonna wind up with David Carr 2.0

By: daknight93

daknight93 — Tue, 06 Nov 2012 15:17:01 +0000

everyone is screaming the 0-line is bad because there are 3 to 4 starters out, which is true but Andy Reid need to put in extra protection and put in better playcalls to protect Vick…Vick needs to learn how to do pre snap reads on the line…the blame falls on both Reid and Vick

By: ernie ernie

ernie ernie — Tue, 06 Nov 2012 15:11:11 +0000

Reid in a pigeon hole. No O line to protect Vick so Vick ends up looking bad and people screaming for change.
No defense even after firing the defensive coordinator proving the defense just plain sucks.
One more loss and Andy is toast. Even Laurie has to get that message.

By: blockedshotnyr

blockedshotnyr — Tue, 06 Nov 2012 15:02:50 +0000

wanna blame him for int’s but his receivers & tight ends can’t catch a ball on a rope like Brent Celek who alley-ooped the ball to the Saints defender last night but the haters will blame Vick every time. As far as the rest of you idiots who think Nick Foles is your future..
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The INT was Vick’s fault – the ball was inaccurate and as I explained above never should have been thrown.

If Vick saw he was covered and went through his progressions – he would’ve saw Harbor open. Instead he stared down Celek, forced a bad pass and confounded the mistake by making an inaccurate throw.

See this is the problem – so many people want to absolve Vick because they see 7 sacks… They fail to actually analyze the game and see where the mistakes and sacks come from.

The OL is bad, but Vick makes them look worse…

By: grogansheroes

grogansheroes — Tue, 06 Nov 2012 15:00:18 +0000

When your O line is bad, you run the ball and make quick throws, like slants or 5 yard outs. It keeps the D line from charging up field. Then you throw it deep. Philly’s offense is throw deep first, run second. If i can figure it out, so can defenses. The coaching carousel doesn’t help, but neither does Reid. Where are all the Michael Vick for MVP guys.
Also, Aaron Rodgers got sacked 8 times in a half, and still led his team to victory. Oh wait.. well you get the point.

By: realitypolice

realitypolice — Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:52:28 +0000

Translation: There is no way I’m putting our starting QB next year out there now to get killed behind this offensive line. We’re getting rid of Vick at the end of the year anyway, so let HIM get pounded.

By: schmitty2

schmitty2 — Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:52:01 +0000

That loss was not squarely on Vick. The O-line is putrid and Demetress Bell has no business being on the field. For all of you making excuses about O-line injuries take a look at the Rams. They have Wayne “turnstile” Hunter and Barry Richardson starting and they were terrible before this year and have played above average. Point being is coaching factors into this and Howard Mudd needs to go

By: blockedshotnyr

blockedshotnyr — Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:48:29 +0000

The offensive line is not good – that is a given. however, they are not entirely to blame for the seven sacks nor should they be the scapegoat as to why Michael Vick is playing so poorly.

I feel like a robot because I keep saying the same thing over and over, but…

Vick lacks pre-snap recognition and therefore fails to pick up the free rusher and make the necessary hot reads. His pocket awareness and footwork in the pocket are absolutely atrocious. He holds the ball too long, stares down receivers and does not cycle through progressions quick enough.

His accuracy, which was never great to begin with has also declined – see missing Maclin in the end zone and Avant on a wide open out route.

All these things combined make for lousy quarterback play – the pick six was a perfect example… The ball was poorly thrown, but never should have been thrown. The player on the same side (I believe Harbor) was running a similar route with an off-defender – easily would’ve been a four yard pick up, if not a TD. Vick stares down Celek, does not go through his progressions, forces an inaccurate pass and six points the other way.

Two years ago, he was able to make up for the flaws in his game because (a) the offensive line was better, but moreso (b) because his atheltic ability hadn’t declined. Plus, teams have realized that if they blitz him – he can’t do much of anything. He was good for about half a season – this is going on two full years of subpar quarterbacking.

Why do people believe Foles can do better? Well, frankly, because the Eagles can’t do much worse – maybe Matt Cassell?

And this team has no chance of seeing any sort of sustained success this season – at best, they are a mediocre 7-9/8-8 team – get a look at the kid, see if you have something there or if you need to bring in a new player under center in the draft.

By: dolphin80

dolphin80 — Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:32:55 +0000

When your offensive line is essentially a turnstile, I don’t care WHO you are at QB, you’re not going to succeed. It’s simple physics.

By: charlutes

charlutes — Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:27:01 +0000

What’s the point here? there was never any doubt he would remain qb, unless you aren’t watching the games you would know that.

By: luckyarmpit

luckyarmpit — Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:21:47 +0000

It’s not completely Vick’s fault, no. But he’s a big part of it. So is Reid. Vick has to be one of the NFL’s most overrated QBs. He knows how to run but he doesn’t know how to read a defense and make adjustments on the line. He’s going to have a very short career because he just doesn’t know when to lay down if the play isn’t going to happen. He’s just not wired that way.

And since Reid has a history of saying one thing and doing the exact opposite a few days later, Vick should be replaced any day now. Because this is the 2nd time that Reid said Vick will “absolutely” be the QB.

By: nesby2

nesby2 — Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:10:57 +0000

I’m so so glad that Steve Young & Trent Dilfer stated the obvious that Mike Vick is playing behind by far the WORST offensive line in NFL history. Vick leads the league in fumbles because his offensive line gives defensive lineman free kill shots on him every snap, he has 1.2 seconds to get rid of the ball after every single snap, wanna blame him for int’s but his receivers & tight ends can’t catch a ball on a rope like Brent Celek who alley-ooped the ball to the Saints defender last night but the haters will blame Vick every time. As far as the rest of you idiots who think Nick Foles is your future.. I need the number to your drug dealer because you are clearly huffing GLADE! Foles was average in the PAC-10 & never was impressive, nor elusive if you wanna crown him starter after a mediocre performance vs guys who do dry wall for a living be my guest.. But good luck with that (sarcasm) he would of died by now behind this pathetic offensive line! Philly fans the problem isn’t Vick it’s your defense & o-line issues!!!