Big deal.

The Pats were the first and only team to get caught stealing other teams’ defensive signals.

Other teams don’t do it?

I’ve got some ocean front land in Arizona.

The point: having foreknowledge of the opponents plays before they run them gives a distinct advantage. If it didn’t, Belichick wouldn’t have been doing it.

Patriots fans love to point to how they couldn’t have used taped signals to beat Pittsburgh in the 2001 AFCCG – instead they needed fluke special teams plays – similar to the game vs. Oakland.

However, they did have taped signals vs. the Rams from an earlier game they lost. And in 2004 the Steelers ended the Patriots winning streak in dominating fashion – but in the AFCCG that year they sure looked like a team that knew what the Steelers were doing before the play.

The Pasterisks cheated, got caught, had it swept under the rug for the image of the league. There is no other explanation for how a team of mediocre talent and cast offs was able to win so frequently.

How much of an edge was it? Ask the Rams who should have and would have won the game with the exact same type of edge.

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and what edge did the Pats have over the Rams?

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Show us the math.

They cheated. They cheated for quite a while. They won 3 out of 4 in a four year period and none of them were a blowout. They havent won any since. It was a bad enough offense that they lost a pick and Goodell was too scared to make it public. It was an edge, and I dont care how good they have been since, they were cheaters during all of their super bowl runs. Asterisks indeed.

I wonder if Kraft would have praised him if Billy admitted it helped them a lot more than a “one.”

“One,” Belichick replied.

“Then you’re a real schmuck,” Kraft said he told Belichick.

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So if Belichick had answered “40″ or “82″ what would Kraft had said? At what point does the scale tip so that kraft thought it was a smart move?

So guess what? They all have been caught cheating in one way or the other.

Spygate took place in the first half of the first game that season. So they went 15 1/2 games after that and won them all.

If they stunk no one would care. LOL

How much of an edge was it? Ask the Rams who should have and would have won the game with the exact same type of edge.

Yes, because having guys stand on the sidelines with cameras fits the definition of secret. :/

Pats did the crime, and they did the time. Lets all put spygate in the grave where it belongs. Except for the steeler fans that is. They are a whiny bunch.

It was about camera location because we all know that this kind of taping is still legal to this day as long as it’s done from the stands, right?

Brady didn’t even play a lot of that game. Bledsoe came in and threw for a whopping 10-21, 100 yards. Besides, the Patriots themselves had not played the Steelers since 1998, and Belichick himself had not faced them since 1996 as an assistant. There were no signals to be played.

Same logic applies to the 2003 Panthers SB. The Patriots played the Panthers in 2001 when the Panthers were 1-15 with a different head coach and QB. Unless Seifert handed Fox his exact playbook with the exact same signals, spygate had nothing to do with the 2003 SB.

I’ve heard the Patriots haven’t won “anything” without spygate. They did go 16-0, 14-2, and 13-3 and two super bowl appearances in three of the last five seasons, and another was with Matt Cassel at QB, we see how well he’s doing nowadays.

If you want to say, well, they didn’t win it, how come the logic is only applied in SB’s? Are you saying they only used spygate for Super Bowls? It takes a lot more games to get there, and they’ve won plenty of them.

I’ll tell you why they lost to the Giants. Their defense stunk and couldn’t get off the field, they didn’t fall on any of the 3 fumbles they forced, and Welker couldn’t hold on to that pass. Not because of these magic signals.

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I’m a Dolphins fan, and I approve this message.

Yeah, we all know how little coaches change the game when they have a great QB. Just look at how good the Saints are without Sean Payton!

It’s not like Belichick went 11-5 with a Matt Cassel-esque QB, or like he was the last head coach to win a playoff game in Cleveland or anything.

Brady didn’t even play a lot of that game. Bledsoe came in and threw for a whopping 10-21, 100 yards. Besides, the Patriots themselves had not played the Steelers since 1998, and Belichick himself had not faced them since 1996 as an assistant. There were no signals to be played.

Same logic applies to the 2003 Panthers SB. The Patriots played the Panthers in 2001 when the Panthers were 1-15 with a different head coach and QB. Unless Seifert handed Fox his exact playbook with the exact same signals, spygate had nothing to do with the 2003 SB.

I’ve heard the Patriots haven’t won “anything” without spygate. They did go 16-0, 14-2, and 13-3 and two super bowl appearances in three of the last five seasons, and another was with Matt Cassel at QB, we see how well he’s doing nowadays.

If you want to say, well, they didn’t win it, how come the logic is only applied in SB’s? Are you saying they only used spygate for Super Bowls? It takes a lot more games to get there, and they’ve won plenty of them.

I’ll tell you why they lost to the Giants. Their defense stunk and couldn’t get off the field, they didn’t fall on any of the 3 fumbles they forced, and Welker couldn’t hold on to that pass. Not because of these magic signals.

Belichick has numerous times looked just as clueless and dumbfounded on the sidelines as every other coach out there…Adam V and defense won 2 of those 3 sb…totally lucked into Brady…and 8yrs w/o SB victory while losing 2x to same team in SB is not very “greatest of all time like”.

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You root for the Jags. Don’t get down on the Pats because your team is sad and pathetic.

Oh, and when a guy gets told by your team to fall down on the ground like he’s injured and your team gets fined for it ? That’s cheating.

But we won’t hear anyone discuss that now, will
we……