Comments on: Simms stands by Eli comment, sets high bar for “elite”

By: renaldorigglesworth

renaldorigglesworth — Mon, 26 Nov 2012 08:51:55 +0000

Yes, Eli is elite. He steps up in huge ways when it counts and finds ways to lead his team to victories, championships, etc… In the NFC East, however, even after just eleven games and a 5-6 record, Robert Griffin III has emerged as THE ELITE QB in the NFC East. He not only possesses every intangible physical ability scouts drool over but he’s an unprecedented leader (elected team Captain in his rookie year–pretty much unheard of–) and quite simply over the course of the game he does things–executes plays that leave fans both bewildered, amazed, in awe, and most importantly as a LONG suffering Skins fan, absolutely without a shadow of a doubt unquestionably optimistic for the Skins future. RGIII should already be considered elite by ANYONE’S standard. Now the Skins just have to surround him with a team that can help him thrive under his incomparable QB-play. Please somebody list me a player who truly compares to Robert Griffin III. No Vick-athlete calls or Cunningham all-purpose player comparisons… Vick, c’mon man. And Cunningham is like a poor man’s Griffin which speaks volumes as R.C. was a really outstanding, great player. RGIII is so superlatively unique and special that he makes comparisons to an all-time great pro like Cunningham seem silly when you put their skill sets next to each other. R.C. was the man for a time while RGIII has the potential to be one of the Men of All-Time. Never have I seen anyone change the dynamic of football like I do when RGIII when is on the field for the Skins… Here’s to hoping he can stay healthy and inspire fans and young players for many many many more years to come. So, in closing, ELIte, yes but THE TOP NFC EAST ELITE goes to RGIIIlite.

By: pftcensorssuck

pftcensorssuck — Mon, 26 Nov 2012 03:55:56 +0000

golonger says:Nov 14, 2012 4:35 PM

Elway, Marino, Favre were elite….there are NO elite QBs in the league right now. Rodgers and Brees are the closest thing TO elite but arent quite there. Manning and Brady are both great but they are NOT elite, sorry
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Wait a minute ….. Tom Brady has been to FIVE Super Bowls in ten years, winning THREE of those, had two of the greatest offensive seasons ANY quarterback has EVER seen, been a Super Bowl MVP twice, a Pro-Bowler SEVEN times, and the Comeback Player of the Year.

He absolutely makes Favre, Elway, and Marino look like complete BUSTS.

I have no idea what your criteriea for an “elite” quarterback is, I’d LOVE for you to explain it to us all here, but dude, if Tom Brady isn’t an all-time “elite” quarterback, then you are an “elite” moron.

By: n0hopeleft

n0hopeleft — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:34:49 +0000

Ya, Eli looks like his favorite toy was taken from him, except in every single big moment of post season games in his career, when he shows what he’s made of.

Some of you guys just look for a small point to make to hate on Eli. Proves to me that you’re just still upset, and in denial, that he won 2 rings, while your franchise continues to choke.

Go buy the 07 or 12 Superbowl DVDs and tell me the defenses won the game. Get real.

The pass to Tyree was not a hail Mary. He knew who his target was. The pass against the Packers at the end of the first half last year, that was a hail Mary. Get your facts straight, while I get you some ketchup for that WAAAAAAAAAAmburger you’re munching on.

By: jaymc1988

jaymc1988 — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 06:04:17 +0000

whoever says marino, peyton and brady arnt elite are just morons..

im a giants fan and yes i was on the eli is elite bandwagon last year all year long and i even mentioned in another post eli is..but havin thought about it..hes just way to inconsistant…

had a monster year last year and won 2 sbs..eli is a great QB..not elite IMO thats a big difference

By: wferg1121

wferg1121 — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 04:01:25 +0000

If you were to just read the words it looks like Simms took a shot at Marino, Moon, but even then he says “by todays standards”.. If you heard it on the radio, he was saying it in a sarcastic tone.. He was just making the argument that by todays standards since those guys didn’t win a Superbowl they would not be considered elite etc…

In terms of Eli, I will say it again.. I think all those 4th QB come backs are great accomplishments and puts him in that elite category. Eli does it so much everyone expects it, and people forget about it because it so routine now. I think you will see teams run up the score on the Giants to just to avoid situations like that. Eli is the best in the business if your trailing by 4 with 2 minutes to go in the game. I will take Eli over everyone else in the 4qtr.

By: tyreewere

tyreewere — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 03:30:22 +0000

Seems to me Phil is an Elite moron.

Sounds more like he’s jealous of players like Marino, Fouts and Eli.

Phil’s lifetime stats are FAR from any of these three players. He can’t hold a candle to either of the Dan’s. Hell, he can’t even top Eli’s stats atm. Plus, Eli is durable. Hasn’t missed a game in 7 1/2 years now. Phil only had three complete seasons the entire time he played.

Besides, I’m still wondering what he ever did that makes HIM a good judge of talented QB’s? Lord knows he’s a mid range announcer at best.

By: raiderapologist

raiderapologist — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 02:27:36 +0000

rockthered1286 says: Nov 14, 2012 4:49 PM

Wait a SB win makes you elite?! Someone call Bradshaw and Dilfer and tell them they’re not as mediocre as the entire nation says!
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Jim Plunkett won two. Nobody is calling him elite.

By: pastabelly

pastabelly — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 00:42:37 +0000

Agree with Simms and Tom Flores was not an elite coach because he won two Super Bowls either.

By: deejer

deejer — Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:34:45 +0000

True; Eli is not one — and who would know better than Phil Simms: not even a very good one?

By: washstnative

washstnative — Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:18:52 +0000

Well, I just want to know why does Eli always look like Peyton just took his favorite toy away from him?

By: profootballwalk

profootballwalk — Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:11:50 +0000

Marino was an elite passer. As a QB, he was drafted by a team that just played in the Super Bowl, so you can’t claim he didn’t have talent around him. And he had one of the great coaches of all time. How many championships? None. That’s why he’s not elite. Jim Kelly isn’t elite either.

By: siaaa

siaaa — Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:00:48 +0000

To me, Elite is somone you enjoy watching as a real football fan. I know i truly enjoyed watching Marino and Fout play QB in the NFL. it takes more than a great QB to win a SB. peyton went to the playoffs almost every year but only won one SB. who knows if the chargers Marlon Mcree hadnt thrown away the game against the Pats that same year, they more than likely would have killed manning with the history they had against him and the team they had at the time.
as far Eli, he has the heart of a champion. never bet against him.

By: sagatti

sagatti — Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:51:26 +0000

locutus says:
Nov 14, 2012 5:20 PM
I really could not care any less of this “elite” designation. I’ll take Eli with his clutch QB play and two super bowl rings, thus far, over just about anyone else.

Till that D breaks down… a NON ELITE cannot carry an IMPERFECT team..

By: murty77

murty77 — Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:49:43 +0000

Eli is one of the most clutch QB’s in the game, however that does not make him elite. The word “elite” gets thrown around too much to describe players. In the NFL today, the only QB’s I’d say are elite are Brady, Manning, and Rodgers. Three QB’s that no matter who you put around them or what system they are in, they are going to put up great numbers and win games. With that said, I’d trade Cutler in a heartbeat for Eli.

By: tabdanger

tabdanger — Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:49:11 +0000

Otto Graham is the most underrated elite qb of all time. 10 NFL Championships will never be matched. There are only 2 elite qb’s in the league right now. (Brady & P. Manning). But Eli may very well be the most clutch playoff qb in the NFL. In the playoffs I’m willing to take him over anyone because he just doesn’t seem to ever get rattled.

By: giantsfan2104

giantsfan2104 — Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:39:46 +0000

Majority of Giants fans don’t care about the “Elite” label. We just want people to acknowledge that he’s a good QB who can make plays when the game is on the line.

It’s comments like “Eli is the luckiest retard in history”, and “It’s easy when you have a great defense and run game” that get under our skin.

(FYI, that “retard” has a IQ in the 130s, and In 2011, the Giants had a bottom half defense, and the league’s WORST run game. Without Eli, they would’ve finished 6-10, rather than 9-7)

By: xx4zu1

xx4zu1 — Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:37:51 +0000

Elite is throw around so much today, one week a QB is elite the next he is not. If a quarterback can consistently win with a mediocre team then give him the label. If he inconsistent on good teams then he is not. Eli is closer to Dilfer than he is to his older brother.

By: offthelows

offthelows — Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:33:36 +0000

Simms isn’t making any friends at CBS, with Fouts and Marino both working for the network with him

By: opinion157983

opinion157983 — Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:29:21 +0000

To a lot of people Dan Marino is the greatest qb to ever play. Even the people that dont like him would put him top 5. I’ve always respected simms off the field but saying Dan Marino wasn’t elite is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard a football player say. That includes Jet players.

By: djcase31

djcase31 — Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:23:54 +0000

Montana Elway and Payton and Brady. that’s my top guys.

By: locutus

locutus — Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:20:51 +0000

I really could not care any less of this “elite” designation. I’ll take Eli with his clutch QB play and two super bowl rings, thus far, over just about anyone else.

By: davikes

davikes — Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:19:17 +0000

I can see the point that he is not elite. But who is more clutch than Eli? I can’t think of anyone currently playing. Please name them if you can.

By: jjbelt

jjbelt — Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:11:50 +0000

(His brother isnt elite either. When you have a poor playoff record, won one SB because of your defense, and get credited (this year) for playing great when in fact you put your team in a hole on a number of occasions…you ARENT elite. Sorry.)
Golonger- you make this statement after proclaiming Favre as elite? Seriously?

By: 49erstim

49erstim — Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:10:23 +0000

To say that Eli isn’t “elite” is not a slap if (IF) you can reasonably define “elite”. By my definition Aaron Rodgers is NOT elite. Great QB, but not enough of a resume yet. Same with Brees. Another great QB. These guys lack historical context. If you want to say Brady and Peyton then I may listen, but just those 2. You CANNOT measure a QB in SuperBowls. You can use them to SUPPORT your argument, but they cannot BE your argument. Marino? Elite. NO discussion. He was a rocket arm when football was still smash-mouth and moving toward this air-it-out era.

In fact QB’s should only be compared within their eras.

By: reengleman

reengleman — Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:09:55 +0000

When I think of elite, The HOF ALL-STAR quarterback who played for 10 yrs. and took his team, the Browns, to the championship of his league all 10, winning 7, comes to my mind; in addition, his stats include a pick-6. Otto Graham was about team, not stats.

By: wave222

wave222 — Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:07:21 +0000

They were and are all great QB’S!
Each one with good and bad qualities.
Phil had his good and bad games, they all do.
That is part of being a human.
Phil needs to say less!!
Win as a team and lose as a team.
People do not see the great big strong men
that make these QB,S what they were and are???
On both sides of the ball!

By: sanjose61

sanjose61 — Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:02:26 +0000

Said Simms:

“Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and I think Aaron Rodgers kind of fits in that mode. And the rest we’ll see about.”

So he’s not only excluding Eli…

By: bigbluecrew420

bigbluecrew420 — Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:02:24 +0000

Eli is overrated???

No. He’s underrated.

Here’s a FEW of his accolades…

Note the NFL RECORDS

2× Pro Bowl (2008, 2011)
2× Super Bowl champion (XLII, XLVI)
2× Super Bowl MVP (XLII, XLVI)
2× NFC Champion (2007, 2011)
NFL Record most 4th quarter touchdown passes in a season (15)
Tied NFL Record longest pass completion and touchdown (99 yards)
Tied NFL Record most game-winning drives in a season (8)
Most road wins in a single regular season and postseason by a starting quarterback (10)

Eli is CLUTCH and that’s what I want in my QB.

By: jjbelt

jjbelt — Wed, 14 Nov 2012 21:58:04 +0000

@golonger-what criteria exactly are you using? Brady and P. Manning both have the records, stats, winning percentages necessary. They both have multiple SB appearances and obviously Brady has 3 W’s. Both have also won with subpar talent around them at times as well. Please don’t tell me that don’t pass some crazy eyeball test either. I’m so sick of that catchphrase.

By: jody46

jody46 — Wed, 14 Nov 2012 21:57:08 +0000

aaron rogers he picks. would he pick Brett Favre? He said game by game. Brett was won of the best. won a superbowl. The guy has one of his best games when his father died, had one of the longest records of games stated qb. John Elway? Great game by game. even great in playoffs. the drive. won two superbowls. I know for a fact he would have to say Joe Montana he has been known as the best Qb ever to some people. me being a bengal fan my whole life forgot how many superbowls he won lol. what do you guys think