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Scout says Ndamukong Suh has been coddled, doesn’t push himself

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In a week when much of the talk around the NFL has centered on the criticism that Tim Tebow took from an anonymous source in the Jets’ locker room, another one of the most polarizing players in the NFL has also taken some heat from an unnamed source.

In a Milwaukee Journal Sentinel story about the Packers’ upcoming game with the Lions, an unnamed NFC scout is quoted as saying that Detroit defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh hasn’t lived up to his physical talents because no one pushes him to bring the best out in himself.

“He is one example of a football culture that coddles elite players and does not force them to push themselves for fear that the player will tune you out,” the scout said. “We complain at this level that finding leaders is a difficult task, but leadership is, as Eddie Robinson once said, fighting for the hearts and souls of men and getting them to believe in you. For a player like Ray Lewis, he demands so much of himself and is willing to push himself, that when he confronts a teammate over work ethic, the player has no choice but to respect him. Players like Suh do not demand excellence of themselves because they believe they can be excellent just by walking on the field. These players will underachieve by comparison to expectations.”

Since his breakout rookie season in 2010, Suh has taken a lot of heat for a decline in production, as well as personal fouls on the field and personal troubles off the field. The Lions’ coaching staff, however, has always insisted that Suh is playing well, even if he has fewer sacks and tackles than he did as a rookie. At least one scout seems to think that the Detroit coaches defending Suh are part of the problem.

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  1. 1heatedtoombrayduh says: Nov 15, 2012 11:44 AM

    Its sad when you have to push a millionare to do the thing that got him the millions in the first place.

    I guess this is why people love college ball so much. everyone is still hungry

  2. eightandeightlions says: Nov 15, 2012 11:47 AM

    According to many anonymous Lions fans Suh is aweSome, and any team would jump to get him on their roster. His poor play is due to the fact that he is the only DT in the league that has to fight through double teams.

  3. wynleo says: Nov 15, 2012 11:51 AM

    Another “anonymous” person bashing a Detroit Lions’ player. ProFootballTalk has officially become the NFL version of TMZ #CowardMedia

    You’re no longer welcome at Ford Field

  4. Simon says: Nov 15, 2012 11:51 AM

    Don’t say that. He might get mad and try to stomp on someone after the whistle.

  5. wryly1 says: Nov 15, 2012 11:53 AM

    Sounds like this scout knows what he’s talking about. Any clerk can read stats or measurables – but finding players who are driven to excel and are self-motivated, is something that cannot be taught or coached. As the old saying goes, “ya gotta wanna.”

  6. ocdn says: Nov 15, 2012 11:56 AM

    This comes down to coaching. The team doesn’t play till the 4th qtr, offense is predictably, no adjustments after halftime, defense relies on reputation, not performance, no discipline on or off the field….So who’s going to push Suh from this coaching staff? As a Lions fan, I’m thinking this is going to be long term.

  7. hyzers says: Nov 15, 2012 11:57 AM

    What’s with these anonymous sources taking shots at the Lions? Is Suh too scary to put your name behind something? Why are these people so obsessed with the Lions? I don’t get it.

  8. donottellmethatnameistaken says: Nov 15, 2012 12:04 PM

    As a Lions fan, I have no issue with what is being said. I have heard a lot of excuses and the bottom line is my eyes tell me he isn’t as good as his rookie year. What I have an issue with is yet again someone speaking anonymously. Have the balls to back up your statement. Who knows, if you own your statement and you are right, you could climb the ladder.

  9. source7769 says: Nov 15, 2012 12:04 PM

    another story on Suh? hes the tim tebow of profootballtalk.com

  10. phreakin says: Nov 15, 2012 12:09 PM

    “Since his breakout rookie season in 2010, Suh has taken a lot of heat for a decline in production, as well as personal fouls on the field and personal troubles off the field. ”

    Trouble off the filed yes, but the “decline” in production is because he is double and triple teamed almost every play. Not to mention he relied on his massive strength in college and probably the first year with the Lions. You aren’t gonna out muscle 2 NFL caliber players now. He needs to adjust and start using moves instead of strength.

  11. jeffchadwick says: Nov 15, 2012 12:10 PM

    A lot of folks unwilling to stick their names on stories barking about the Lions these days. I’m guessing after the Spielman denial, the culprit must be in the Packers organization.

  12. huskersrock1 says: Nov 15, 2012 12:10 PM

    He had that issue at Nebraska until Pelini got a hold of him. I am not sold on Pelini and he has his issues (recruiting & hiring assistants) but getting in somebody’s grill isn’t one of them.

  13. lilpuppy says: Nov 15, 2012 12:11 PM

    so the un-named GM who ripped Riola without putting his name to it has his un-named scouts talking crap without putting their names on it…got something to say go on record or shut-up

  14. daknight93 says: Nov 15, 2012 12:12 PM

    soooo basically this article is saying Sue lacks self motivation and the lions staff doesn’t push him to play hard….well, that says alot about the lions…it’s ok to be just average.

  15. seanje says: Nov 15, 2012 12:18 PM

    I’m sorry, but unless this “unnamed NFL scout” works for the Lions, how in the world would he be this familiar with Suh’s work ethic, especially when his viewpoint fles in the face of everything we’ve ever heard about Suh’s work ethic in the past, going back to Nebraska (second-to-none, basically)?

    I’m getting real tired of these malicious “anonymous” comments. How can we continue to give these any credit?

  16. eastsideballa says: Nov 15, 2012 12:20 PM

    Another unnamed coward taking a shot at a player? I’m the biggest Lions fan there is and I’m a huge Suh fan, his brillaince is being held back by a cowardly coaching staff that refuses to be innovative and rushes 4 men every single down. I can’t even imagine the damage that a good coaching staff can do with Suh, Williams, Fairley, KVB, Avril, Lo-jack, Willie young etc. When your roster looks sick on paper, but it does not translate on the field that is a COACHING issue!

  17. xplicitpits says: Nov 15, 2012 12:24 PM

    I think the “unnamed sources” are a ploy by some media types allowing them to make blank & unfound statements & their own assumptions on players they don’t like or have issues with just to come up with a story.

  18. xplicitpits says: Nov 15, 2012 12:24 PM

    That coddled style really showed up when he slammed cutler sideways

  19. Daboys says: Nov 15, 2012 12:30 PM

    Yeah, he has been coddled by your MOM…

  20. johnnycash19 says: Nov 15, 2012 12:42 PM

    The scout is right, but put a name on your words.

  21. jimmylions says: Nov 15, 2012 12:44 PM

    “Suh has taken a lot of heat for a decline in production, as well as personal fouls on the field”

    Remind me again how many personal foul penalties Suh has this season. I’ll give you a hint … it rhymes with zero. One penalty this year – an encroachment penalty week 2.

    Somehow this got omitted from this hit job. Then again, there’s an anonymous source out there who says some Internet bloggers don’t bother to factcheck before they write.

    Fantasy freaks are whining because their numbers are down. Big deal. It’s a team sport. We don’t have the number one defense in the league, but we’re top 10.

  22. blizzard01 says: Nov 15, 2012 12:46 PM

    How do you coddle something that big and mean?

  23. larryboodry says: Nov 15, 2012 12:47 PM

    I’ve never understood the hype surrounding Tim Tebow, and I am definitely no fan of Suh’s…That said, I believe this whole ‘unnamed source’ epidemic is a crock…If you have something to say, you should own up to it, or keep your opinion to yourself.

  24. packownsu says: Nov 15, 2012 12:48 PM

    You better be wearing shin guards if you tell this to Suh in person.

  25. conormacleod says: Nov 15, 2012 12:56 PM

    Wait a minute. You mean Suh isn’t out for the year with an injury? He’s actually been playing in the games? Weird. I didn’t hear his name called one time last week against the Vikings. I guess he was triple teamed.

  26. TxGrown says: Nov 15, 2012 12:57 PM

    Keep him coddled! Because if you unleash this guy…watch out!

  27. izlez says: Nov 15, 2012 1:01 PM

    You are an NFL scout…your job is to evaluate NFL players and potential NFL players. That is exactly what you’re doing here, so why are you afraid to put your name on it?

  28. klunge says: Nov 15, 2012 1:12 PM

    xplicitpits says:
    Nov 15, 2012 12:24 PM
    I think the “unnamed sources” are a ploy by some media types allowing them to make blank & unfound statements & their own assumptions on players they don’t like or have issues with just to come up with a story.
    ————————————————–

    I’m not one to jump on conspiracy theory bandwagons, but if you’re referring specifically to the author of this article then it’s not at all hard to believe your proposal.

  29. hehateme2 says: Nov 15, 2012 1:29 PM

    Suh and Sanchez sittin in a tree…. c_o_d_d_l_e_d….

    The Coddled Couple

  30. gergie1957 says: Nov 15, 2012 1:33 PM

    So the Loins are playing the Packers this week, Suh will prove this Scout wrong, One head stomp at a time.

  31. njphin says: Nov 15, 2012 1:34 PM

    He’s playing soft because the NFL fined all the emotion out of him. Big badass defenders who put on the big hits used to get the spotlight and be highly regarded now they get suspended and fined by the No Fun League..stomping a guy on thanksgiving was still unnecessary though.

  32. mogogo1 says: Nov 15, 2012 1:52 PM

    I’m in the camp that faults the coaching. Problem is, now that he’s rich and has been allowed to get away with not giving his all for a couple years, it’ll be tough for any future coach to reverse that behavior.

    Mark my words: They’ll never reach their potential with Schwarz as coach. He just doesn’t promote a disciplined atmosphere like long-term winning franchises have. You can have an attitude on the field but still be smart and disciplined. But Schwartz can’t draw the distinction.

  33. jwhitejagsquad says: Nov 15, 2012 2:00 PM

    Would you wanna tell this guy to get down & give me 50 push-ups if he doesn’t make a tackle? He loves to “slam” qb’s for goodness sake.

  34. jeffw says: Nov 15, 2012 2:02 PM

    Albert HaynesworthLess version 2.0

  35. bobhk says: Nov 15, 2012 2:13 PM

    jimmylions says:
    Nov 15, 2012 12:44 PM
    “Suh has taken a lot of heat for a decline in production, as well as personal fouls on the field”

    Remind me again how many personal foul penalties Suh has this season. I’ll give you a hint … it rhymes with zero. One penalty this year – an encroachment penalty week 2.

    Somehow this got omitted from this hit job. Then again, there’s an anonymous source out there who says some Internet bloggers don’t bother to factcheck before they write.

    Fantasy freaks are whining because their numbers are down. Big deal. It’s a team sport. We don’t have the number one defense in the league, but we’re top 10.
    ———
    Of course Lions fans would have us believe that Stafford is elite because he threw for a ton of yards and TDs. So there goes the fantasy argument.

  36. onlysane1intheroom says: Nov 15, 2012 2:41 PM

    Truly elite players don’t need to be pushed — Brady, Manning — they do it on their own.

  37. 989lions says: Nov 15, 2012 2:54 PM

    I’m a Lions fan and I think what this scout said definitely has some merit to it. Coaches talk him up but when it comes down to it he isn’t nearly as effective as he was as a rookie. You must also keep in mind that a DT isn’t supposed to have the stats he had as a rookie, those were ridiculous. Maybe he just regressed back to what he is gonna be his entire career, maybe he is getting more attention now, maybe the league really did suspend and fine the edge out of him (I know the “stomp” was worthy of a suspension) however the infamous forearm shiver to Cutler that was actually a push in the back and was still fined by the league after review makes me wonder.

    I really don’t know, I just know I want 2010 Suh back.

  38. burnttoast71854 says: Nov 15, 2012 2:55 PM

    So if he’s doubled & tripled teamed every play, why don’t the lions lead the league in sacks? Total defense or takeaways. I do agree with the post about not being able to tackle anymore in the NFL if they even look at a QB they get fined.

  39. howiehandles says: Nov 15, 2012 3:34 PM

    Who cares if the person is speaking anonymously, its the truth, and you know it.

  40. lgbarn says: Nov 15, 2012 3:46 PM

    This is a guy that came out in the same draft and picked just ahead of Gerald McCoy. Most people said he would be the better pick and for the first couple of years, he absolutely was, but right now, I would take GMAC over him in a heartbeat. Gerald has worked really hard and he is one of the main reasons (along with Lavante David), the Bucs lead the league in negative plays from scrimmage.

  41. cleonslamminsalmon says: Nov 15, 2012 3:48 PM

    According to many anonymous Lions fans Suh is aweSome, and any team would jump to get him on their roster. His poor play is due to the fact that he is the only DT in the league that has to fight through double teams.

    __________

    I remember the days when Chris Hovan was the only DT in the league that got double teamed.

  42. lionsdraftguy says: Nov 15, 2012 4:00 PM

    I don’t expect Suh to have any sacks this Sunday, cuz the whole country knows the refs let the classless packers get away with holding on every single play.

  43. purpleguy says: Nov 15, 2012 4:19 PM

    To those trashing PFT, please note that they are simply reiterating an article from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinal not creating their own content. It does give you a pretty good idea what team that scout works for though.

  44. SparkyGump says: Nov 15, 2012 4:36 PM

    Albert Haynesworth II

  45. larryboodry says: Nov 15, 2012 4:51 PM

    lionsdraftguy says: Nov 15, 2012 4:00 PM

    “I don’t expect Suh to have any sacks this Sunday…”

    I hope he has 10.

  46. 1509lucky says: Nov 15, 2012 8:24 PM

    The Anonymous thing is old,tired and just plain cowardly! If you don’t have the stones to put your name to it,then shut up! It’s pathetic that so called Grown Men,are gossiping like preteen girls instead of owning up to their words.

  47. jimmylions says: Nov 16, 2012 12:21 AM

    bobhk says:
    ———
    Of course Lions fans would have us believe that Stafford is elite because he threw for a ton of yards and TDs. So there goes the fantasy argument.

    ———-

    You’re right. I’ll stick to the fact that Stafford is the QB of the #2 offense in the league and the #1 passing attack.

    Get a job!

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