Ray Guy: Stupid people keep punters out of the Hall of Fame

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Ray Guy is not in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, and neither is any other punter. And Guy is not happy about the Hall of Fame voters who, he says, don’t appreciate punters.

Guy told Yahoo Sports that when he’s around young punters, he feels badly for them because they’re playing a position that isn’t appreciated by fans and the media.

“I watch them and in the back of my mind I know you’re wasting your time because we got some stupid people who don’t understand,” Guy said. “Here’s a kid who’s got a dream of being a punter in the NFL, but you got people here who cut him down before they even get out of the chute. So what are you telling these kids? To forget about it? I guess it all stems around people just don’t understand the importance of a punter. They really don’t. Unless you played. You have to be in there. You have to understand every player on that team has a position or play to do. And all they do is drag and fuss about ‘well yeah he can punt and this and that and the other thing,’ but they don’t really respect that and they think it shouldn’t be alongside the other guys in the Hall of Fame.”

Guy, who was such a good college kicker that the award for the best punter in college football is named the Ray Guy Award and the Raiders took him in the first round of the 1973 NFL draft, was a seven-time Pro Bowler and chosen as the punter on the NFL’s 75th anniversary team. So if a pure punter were ever going to make the Hall of Fame, it would probably be Guy. But Guy says he has resigned himself to the fact that it’s not going to happen.

“I don’t think about it anymore,” Guy said. “I just go on. I guess that’s the way for the older vets, older than I am, who aren’t in the Hall of Fame. I know it bothers them. I mean they should be in the Hall of Fame. . . . It’s all politics, that’s all it is. It’s the same of everything in life. Everything comes down to politics.”

Whatever the reason, Guy is right: At this point, it’s extremely unlikely that he’ll ever be enshrined in Canton.

100 responses to “Ray Guy: Stupid people keep punters out of the Hall of Fame

  1. Ray Guy: 3 Super Bowl rings, 75th Anniversary team, 70s Decade team, 7x Pro Bowler, 6x All-Pro. If punters are so meaningless, why has every team since any of us can remember had a punter? Put him in the Hall!

  2. Th punter is an actual position on the football field.. How there is no representation in Canton it rediculous

  3. Guy’s right. A great punter belongs in the HoF as much as any other player at any other position.

    If you’re great and had a great career and contributed to winning SuperBowls, then you deserve the HoF honor regardless of position.

  4. Punter is the best position in the NFL. Field goal kickers have a lot of pressure on game winning FGs. Get payed millions of dollars just to kick the ball down the field. As long as you don’t completely mess it up, your good.

  5. It actually goes beyond punters, there are certain voters who won’t let anymore Raiders in the HOF.

    This is well documented, it’s all political now.

  6. The young punters that dream of being a punter in the NFL, aren’t dreaming of being in the HOF for punting….so I doubt that any of them think they are wasting their time. Ray Guy, however, seems to be dreaming of being in the HOF. LOL!

  7. Ray Guy was one of my favorite players on the Raiders growing up along with Lester Hayes, Casper, Stabler, etc. He absolutely deserves to be in the Hall of Fame regardless of how you feel about this position.

  8. I agree with Guy. But the shame of is that now there are so many punters who put up numbers better than this average; he is likely right that he’ll never be a HoFer. Stupid people will compare his stats to punting averages now (and later) and he will not messure up.

    Stupid!

  9. A good, effective punter (not just a long one) can determine or change field position to the extent it gives his team an advantage, or puts the opponent at a disadvantage. Any coach can tell you that field position is a huge factor in determing the momentum of the game – and the otpions both offenses and defenses have at different parts of the field – in different game situations.

  10. As a (former) Chiefs fan I say the guy deserves to be in the HOF without a doubt.

    He was the greatest punter of all time and one of THE top reasons his teams always won the field position battle.

  11. Every position on the football field is important to how the game is played. Credit announcers like Madden for highlighting the importance of say, offensive lineman to fans who once felt they were all fat, slow and interchangeable.

    Punters serve a valuable purpose in the game, and if you have a great one, you have a huge advantage in the field position game. The act of punting may not be riveting to watch, but to ignore their contributions to a team and the sport, especially over long and distinguished careers, is insane.

  12. Ray Guy played a very important role in games and that role was field position. He was clutch when the team needed him to be. I hated the Raiders but two players I had to respect were Ray Guy and George Blanda. Put him in the Hall.

  13. The fact that Ray Guy isn’t in the HoF is a travesty.

    Being a Bucs fan, I can appreciate the need for a good punter, since Michael Koenen does an excellent job of helping the team win the field position battle with tremendous punts, which is at least part of the reason why the Bucs have a winning record right now.

  14. Arguing that punters don’t belong in a list of the most valuable players of all time makes perfect sense. The punters roll on a team doesn’t come close to being as important as several other positions. It’s like voting in a penalty killing specialist in hockey, or a defensive shut down specialist in basketball or a great pinch hitter in baseball. Of course they are useful, but their role is not nearly as significant as many other positions.

  15. I wonder how many times in his existence on the raiders, he had to pin the opposing team deep in their own territory with oakland’s offense stalling out with a one score lead late in the fourth. Punters are definitely important

  16. I loved Jeff Feagles, but when Matt Dodge got to NY, I can’t explain how much more I love punters after having Feagles and Weatherford for the past ten years.

  17. If Ray Guy wasn’t a Raider there would be a punter in the HOF.

    Sorry Ray, it’s not just punters. Voters can’t stand silver and black.

  18. if Ray Guy is just a punter how come 40+yrs later people that never saw him play knows who he is to me that makes you a hall of famer he was a difference maker for the raiders in the 70’s

  19. Guy’s detractors like to point to his 42.4 yard average as a reason for claiming he was just an average punter. But he changed the position. The term “hang time” comes from Guy’s vertical bombs. He often kicked from a shorter field because the Raiders had pretty good offenses, and he perfected the out of bounds kick. He had 5 punts of over 60 yards in one season. In 14 seasons he never had a kick returned for a touchdown. Every fan of every team can argue about one or more of their guys getting snubbed. But it seems strange that Jan Stenerud is in the club with his pedestrian numbers, but the most famous pure punter in league history can’t get in the door.

  20. Good kickers and punters are never given the respect they deserve. A punter has a direct impact on a game, good or bad. Boot a 60 yard punt, and pin the opponent inside the 10, and everyone is happy… plus the defense is pumped up. On the flip side, a bad punt could give the offense some momentum, and take the crowd out of the game. Special teams, as a whole, are vastly under-rated in today’s fantasy-driven game. Punters and kickers, no matter one’s opinion, do deserve their spot in Canton.

  21. As a Steeler fan, I watched him against the Steelers for years in the 70’s. He was awesome. he was the first punter to be taken seriously.

  22. Ray is exactly right. Field position is a huge part of winning and losing in football. Unfortunately, it’s often overlooked. Ray Guy should be in the Hall of Fame.

    I’ve met him a few times at some card shows, and he has some great stories too.

  23. It’s a shame that a guy who calls out the NFL like this will NEVER NEVER NEVER get his due. Others after him might, but he never will.

    Either way, Reggie Roby goes in before Ray Guy.

  24. Ballboys? Comparing a punter to ball boys is just obscene. Punters play a huge roll in the most important aspect of football, field position. A bad or good punt can really change a game. Don’t be stupid people

  25. As a Raider fan, I remember how many times I would be sweating field position as the offense bogged down deep in their own territory. Ray Guy would step onto the field and unleash a bomb that would totally change field position. Time after time. It sure feels to me like he kicked the ball all the way to Canton

  26. The standard for the Hall should be simple: If you were THE best at your position during your era, you get in.

    Guy was the dominant punter of the 70s. He should be in. The legend of Joe Namath is secure, but, Guy was a better punter than Namath was a QB – not even close.

  27. Ummm… Punters are on the field just a handful of times during a game, most of which avoid contact by all means. They get paid very well to kick a ball. Why is this even an argument?

  28. As a Patriots fan, Guy was the best in the game at his position and he certainly earned consideration and nomination to the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

    For those that know about the entire history of the game of football can speak to the need of punters being considered.

    Jim Thorpe was the first renowned football player in its history, was inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1963 and, among other positions, was a punter.

    From Thorpe, the position of punter has helped the game of football evolve, like many other positions including quarterback, and change the game because it helped defense sustain field position opportunities for their offense.

    I agree with Ray Guy. Like many Hall of Fame nominating committees, the position of punter is overlooked because even the position of punter is integral to helping their team win titles and if there was one guy who changed the position, it was Ray Guy because he re-defined the position with the importance of hang-times.

    If you re-define your position over the course of your career, not only should you be nominated and considered for inclusion to the Pro Football Hall of Fame, you should be in Canton.

  29. I’m not a Raiders fan but as a football fan Ray Guy deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. No doubt about it. He was the best in his era. I don’t care about the stat comparisons these voters use to keep him out.

  30. Ray Guy deserves to be in the HOF. He set the standard for the punters of today, and he should get rewarded for that. However, he is not a guy that scores points or makes tackles, he is a special teams player, probably the best ever at his position. If the HOF enshrines him, it will have to look at other special team positions and it does not want to do this. A punter will get into the HOF sometime, but not sure it will be Ray, I think he is right about his chances. Even though he deserves it.

  31. “I watch them and in the back of my mind I know you’re wasting your time because we got some stupid people who don’t understand” – Ray Guy

    I believe Ray Guy should be in the Hall of Fame and I think this is a dumb statement.

    Any position in Pro sports pays huge money compared to a regular working stiff. It is never wasting your time when you can make millions of dollars over a career. Any player now a days that tells you they play for the love of the game and the accolades is lying. its all about the money.

  32. imbetterthanyou says:
    Nov 16, 2012 11:57 AM

    I agree.

    Matt Dodge was horrific. No SB without Weatherford.

    The Eagles traded up to steal Jamar Chaney from the Giants who then selected Dodge. But then the Giants were then forced to go out and get Weatherford and won the SB. So an indirect thanks to the Eagles.

    Also a thanks for trading up to select Brandon Graham, forcing the Giants to then select JPP.

    Keep up the good work Eagle’s brass…

  33. Pretty soon, the Raiders will have 2 punters that deserve to be in the Hall of Fame and, for some odd reason, they won’t get in. That’s a shame. Instead of putting special teamers like punters and kickers into the Hall with the every down players, they should add an extra spot or two for special induction so as to not disrupt the already high backlog of players.

    Voting on Hall of Famers by people who never played is absurd to me so the system in place is broken to begin with but that’s another story.

  34. The HOF should add an extra spot every year reserved for a special team player whether it’s a kicker or a guy like Steve Tasker who excelled at being a gunner.

    That way special team players will get their due and not at the expense at other deserving “every down” players.

  35. The hall of fame is all about politics and people vote for there own reasons, who is the best is not the issue, if the voters don’t like you you will not get votes. Bill

  36. A punter will never get in.

    It’s simple.

    What punter could they put in that isn’t Ray Guy without snubbing Ray Guy? No one. That would also mean one of the handful 70’s and 80’s Raider players deserving to be there made it in.

    I’m telling ya, they aint gonna let that happen.

  37. Now I want Ray Guy in the Hall of Fame!!! He is correct!!! The voters are stupid and they are making themselves look a crapload less intelligent by leaving out wide receivers (and I am not mentioning what is possibly going to happen with Terrell Owens and his HOF candidacy)!!!

  38. Some punters are not only able to pin the other team deep in their own territory but are also able to execute a fake. Johnny Hekker has more passing yards and passing TD’s than Tim Tebow this season.

  39. And stupid people keep Cris Carter out of the Hall of Fame despite the fact he retired with better numbers than all but one of the WRs in there.

    And don’t even bring up superbowl rings. Superbowl rings are a team accomplishment, the Hall of Fame is an individual honor.

    What really needs to happen is to have a larger pool of HoF voters and/or rotating voters so that the politics of a handful of voters doesn’t permanently decide whether a player gets in or stays out.

  40. The elite punters should absolutely be in the Hall of Fame. It’s a very small group, which right now might not expand beyond Ray Guy, but it’s definitely a position that can make a big difference in a football game.

    Pinning other teams inside the 20 is an art.

  41. While I agree that Ray Guy deserves to be in the Hall of Fame, I also believe that Sean Landeta deserves that honor. Landeta’s NFL career lasted 22 seasons and upon his retirement he was among the all-time leading punters for three franchises (NY Giants, St. Louis Rams, Philadelphia Eagles), he had more punts, more yardage, and more Inside the 20 than any other punter. Besides winning two SBs with the Giants, he also won two Championships with the Philadelphia-Baltimore Stars in three years. I do recall that the building in Canton is the PRO FOOTBALL HOF so that would make Landeta a 25-year vet, a 4x Champion, the all-time leader in two different leagues and among the best ever for four different franchises.

  42. it’s the media that decides, that there confirms how stupid the whole thing is….i mean if these same people could vote for the bcs, they would only have LSU play Alabama, if they could pick a world series, they would keep it to the AL only and have the yankess play the red sox, etc…….east coast bias, plain and simple.

  43. Of the folks that have been watching football since the 70s (or earlier), how many can name (off the top of your head) a punter from that era that is not named Ray Guy? Very few could even name the guy that played or their team back then but they remember Ray Guy (although some name recognition may come from the annual HoF snub conversations). Ray guy deserves to be in the HoF without question.

  44. The HOF should include the best players at every position.

    Is funny how kickers/punters suddenly become important when the game is on the line.

  45. “Ummm… Punters are on the field just a handful of times during a game, most of which avoid contact by all means. They get paid very well to kick a ball. Why is this even an argument?”

    Raider fanboys.

  46. They’ll eventually put a punter into the HOF. But it won’t be Guy, you can make book on that.

    No voter of any sport’s HOF likes to be criticized like that, as if they don’t know what they’re doing. They very well may *not* know their butts from their elbows. But they are still the people who need to be impressed…. and not insulted.

    I love Guy. I grew up in the Bay Area and truly did appreciate what he did not just for the Raiders but for his craft and sport. Dude was an incredible athlete: not just the Raiders’ 3rd string QB, he could threw a football 60 yards… while on his knees.

    But his whining isn’t going to help him or other punters. He has nothing but good points to be made, but he’s the wrong person to be making them: use a surrogate. Let someone else be your attack dog and make those points, that’s Politics 101.

    He needs to tone it down and say nothing if he can’t say things that actually help his cause and candidacy. Otherwise, he’s just making a good case for some other punter to be the first one in the HOF, just so HOF voters can spite him.

  47. @ ziggy – I could not agree more and back then, the number of punters and their ability to pin a team inside the 20 was far fewer than it is today.

    Also, for what it is worth, I completely agree with Reggie Roby also being a part of the HOF and I agree with the sentiment that one Special Teams Player should be considered for each nominating class.

    Think about it like this – Devin Hester anyone?

    Now – if they keep that guy out of HOF then there is an issue.

    As for Tasker – I don’t know if I agree with the sentiment that he should have been a HOF’er even though it has been cited that he is among a Top 10 list that should make it.

  48. I am a very long time Steeler fan. As such, we naturally hated anyone that was a member of the Raiders. Having said that, it is my opinion that Ray Guy was, and is, heads and shoulders above any other punter who has played in the last 50 plus years. The deeper the Raiders were in their territory, the higher and longer the punt. And, he would put the ball out of bounds inside the 20, seldom getting a touchback. Unbelievable, and I was very happy when he retired. Many players enter with borderline careers, but Guy should have in on the first ballot when eligible. Those who didn’t support his candidacy should have been removed, it was that clear.

  49. dont worry Ray, soon the NFL will make ALL positions except for QB irrelevant. Then a much larger group of deserving guys wont get in with you.

  50. At least Ray Guy can have the satisfaction of knowing that true football fans almost unanimously agree that he should be in the Hall. That’s a bigger accomplishment than impressing a few sportswriters driven by politics. That said, the players already elected should be the ones deciding who goes in next. I’d put more stock into who Chuck Bednarik or Joe Greene or Joe Montana say are the greatest players they played with and against rather than who Peter King thinks should go in, based off scratching together stats on his laptop at a Starbucks.

  51. My 9 year old son is going to his first youth football Superbowl tomorrow. One of the main reasons we are going is because of the leg of one of his teammates. His punting and kick offs penned the other team so far back we always won. His extra points helped as well. Another thing people don’t think about is how skilled these punters and kickers are. They have to practice a lot more than most positions in football. If you are laughing right now I challenge you to go outside and try to punt a 50 yarder and land it like Ray did.

  52. Ray Guy was the BEST punter I have ever seen play in an era of no domes( there were 3 astrodome super dome and kingdome) where football were played this Guy(pun intended) would put hang time so significant that his lineman could get upfield to make the tackle AS the ball was caught. No FAIR CATCH. Returners hated Guy due to getting killed. He hit the screen in the Superdomeduring a game. It was no 100ft low hanging Jerrah screen either. Everyone who remembers KNOWS that Ray should be in. BTW I am a Skins fan, NEVER a raiders fan but respect where respect is due

  53. Without a doubt the greatest punter since Sammy Baugh (i.e. since the early 1950s) and arguably the greatest ever. Honestly, the man has no peer. And he’s right, although it likely isn’t stupid people keeping him out–it’s stupid biases that HOF voters believe. If he isn’t in the HOF, then no other punter ever should be. Perhaps the Hall should consider a Special Teamers wing to accommodate great returners, punters, kickers, gunners, long-snappers, etc.

  54. @theclaim:….. uh….. the fair catch rule has always been in place in football. It was allowed when Ray Guy played and used all the time.

    And you can’t tackle a guy as he catches a punt. You have to give him opportunity to catch the ball. That’s always been a rule, too.

    I don’t think you’re remembering things correctly.

  55. It’s a joke they are not in the hall. The field position battle is a major part of football. Kickers are essential to that part of the game.
    Plus kicking improvements have caused more structural, and rule changes then Mel Blount.

  56. There’s no way around it … You may call yourself a fan, but if you don’t value great punting, then you don’t know football.

  57. Does the Hall of Fame even have a small section devoted to punting? If not, they should … and it should not only highlight the great Ray Guy, but other innovators of the position. For instance, Craig Hentrich who invented the knuckleball and has had NFL punters across the league trying to mimmic it ever since.

  58. Punters will be taken out of the game before they are put on the hall. It’s unfortunate. The direction the league is going. Soon teams will have to go for it on fourth down. Goodell seems to have taken a page from (fake) wrestling.
    Points = $$$$ The media just gobbles up all the juicy stories that mean nothing to the actual game thats played.
    Points equal money. Punters are vital to keeping points off the board.

  59. How about long snappers? Is there a place for them too? Seriously, punters have little impact on NFL games. How many complaints do you ever hear about bad punters?

  60. Props to Ray Guy! There’s absolutely no reason that he’s not in the Hall of Fame. In fact, I actually thought that he was already in it. This is a major embarrassment for the NFL. I’m glad that he spoke up and PFT put this issue on display.
    According to the responses, I’d say this will have to be addressed. I cheer when Kevin Huber (Bengals) puts a ball inside the 5 yardline… So does the Defense!

  61. I remember listening to a game on the radio when I was a kid – USM vs. Ole Miss. Guy punted one from his own end zone for a touchback. 93 yards.

  62. Guy is absolutely correct! Punter is an extremely important position. Just one bad punt can turn a whole game around, especially in a low-scoring defensive battle.

  63. I think the issue with Punters in the Hall is that they take votes from other positions. Last couple of years, who would you bump off for Ray Guy? Shannon Sharpe?

    But I do think punters deserve a position in the HoF.

    If they can induct FANS for goodness’ sake, you’d think punters could make it.

    I think the thing to do is add one more slot to the Hall induction and mark it as for special teams players. That way you get 1 special teams inductee every year who doesn’t take a spot away from players that played 50% of snaps.

  64. It’s not just the fans or the media. Players, coaches, anyone associated with football doesn’t think a Punter should be “immortalized.”

    Imagine, taking your kid(s) to Canton explaining the bronzed busts: Manster, Butkus, Lanier, Greene … and Ray effing Guy. Gimme a break.

    Imagine Ray Guy walking up to NFL beasts, REAL HOF’ers, to share his “punting stories.”

    They’re sharing legit war stories, and Guy bellies up to table after table of gold jackets every August with this pitch: “There was the one time I hit the Superdome scoreboard – I really got a hold of that one! That’s about all I got.”

  65. Bronco fan since 1969. You can imagine my feelings about that Raiders.

    That being said… very few players deserve to be in the National Football Hall of Fame more than Ray Guy.

    Simply the BEST – PUNTER – EVER.

    It’s called FOOTball. Dude had “FOOT”.

    Hang time when it was important? check.
    Foul weather? check.
    Coffin corner? (Something no one does anymore) check.
    Distance? check.
    Pin you inside the 5 when you LEAST need that headache? check.

    I hate the Raiders, but this guy (much like SeaBass) is undeniable. Ray Guy is Legend. He WON games because he put teams in bad situations. Get him in the hall before ANYONE else goes in.

  66. Hey “ialwayswantedtobeabanker”

    Your team is behind by 2 – there’s :54 seconds on the clock, you have NO time outs and you just stopped the Raiders on THEIR 30.

    You are getting the ball back.

    Yay!

    Ray punts the ball. It hangs, and hangs, and hangs and finally falls at your 20 around the left hash mark – surrounded by Silver & Black and it bounces and bounces and bounces and finally slips out of bounds at the 2 yard line.

    And now you have :37 seconds, no time outs, and 98 yards to go.

    You still think a punter ain’t a football player and can’t change a game? Back in the day – punter was a SKILL position, not just a strong leg. He was smart and knew what was needed at THAT moment to kill the enemy.

    I saw my team on the wrong end of it several times.

    Hall of Famer.

  67. Ask yourself a question, can a great defense consistently change field position on almost every play by 40-50 yards? Ask yourself another question, why is the game called football on this side of the pound? Ray Guy is a HOF in every definition of team football.

  68. When you think of punters who played in the NFL, most people say Ray Guy. I don’t think that’s a coincidence.

    Hall of Fame voters are you listening?

  69. Ray Guy is correct that there are some real idiots who get to vote for the Hall of Fame. That Ray Guy or any other great punter isn’t in the HoF is the hallmark of total ignorance. The punter may not be the most physical of athletes but punting is a skill position worthy of admiration. Ray Guy was a great punter who could coffin corner kicks with regularity, a talent that had gone dormant for decades before resurfacing lately with a few of the great punters today.

    This isn’t just a matter of Ray Guy but all the punters and it’s a travesty that the morons who vote for the HoF aren’t intelligent enough to value punters properly.

    Punters should be Hall of Famers Too!

  70. Ray Guy would cause fumbles because the guy waiting would look down the field and then look up and try to find the ball and would have to take several steps backwards, losing eye control and having to call fair catch just to appear like he would catch it but drop it anyway. I saw him have to fake a punt once and almost got hurt but still got the first down because they could not drag him down and not only could he run but he could throw the ball too and so was our third quarterback if needed but never was. You look stupid enough by not having him there already so don’t wait even another year when it comes time and I know before the season ends you throw in a couple of more and here are the names I would pick and they would all be Raiders so that you could redeem yourselves as so called experts right away. The names would be: Jim Plunkett, Cliff Branch, Tom Flories and above all because he was the man that gave them the field position to look great, Ray Guy. Please do not hesitate to do this because there is somebody way upstairs besides the people paying you to keep them out that is watching you and only you and you all know who you are, especially Peter King.

  71. To add to a comment I previously made as a bonus add one of the no names that is in most of the NFL Steve Sabol films, number 70, who also played and won 3 super bowls for the then outstanding Raiders, and his name is Henry Lawrence and never ever got the recognition he deserved but was in more than his share of pro bowls so the players and coaches new of him. Henry; is a man’s man and would never mentioin that he should be in but his personality and the friendship he has built with me, lets me know that football players are people too. Thankyou if you let him in.

  72. Punting is a much greater skill than many people realize. Along with the “coffin corner” experts, the “hang time” pioneered by Guy, punters have also altered the flight of the ball to bounce vertically or backward and avoid “run out” into the end zone. Study of the mechanics of greats like Guy have helped modern kickers increase distance as well. To say these pioneers should be judged by modern metrics is ludicrous.

  73. Anyone remember when the Raiders played the Redskins in the superbowl and the Raiders had to punt deep in their own territory? Snap was way too high, Guy goes up and one hands it and gets off a bomb!!!!!!!

    That right there was a moment to remember!!!! Among many others….

  74. I would never expect many punters or field goal kickers to be in the HOF.

    But when the unquestioned best punter of his time isn’t in, something is wrong. They have plenty of room to enshrine mediocre QBs and RBs who were lucky enough to win a Super Bowl, but can’t find room for a single punter?

  75. Ray Guy & Jim Plunkett,& Ken Stabler & Jack Tatum,all belong in the HOF,the league is and always will be against the Raiders.

  76. Ray Guy is in the Hall of Fame as far as the football watching public is concerned, yet the classless, ignorant, “good ol boy club” of HOF voters thinks they know better. What a disgrace.

  77. the article i read on Ray Guy here recently laments about how not only punters but kickers too, are viewed by others in pro football. one person was quoted as saying, ” kicking isn’t an important part of the game… ”

    look at the Top 20 All-Time Points Scorers in the NFL.

    how many QB’s are on that list? but when it comes down to it, a QB can throw the ball all day long but if it’s not caught, it doesn’t matter. so should the receiver get credit for the touchdown in stead of the quarterback? he caught the ball, right? if QB points stats only reflected the actual rushing touchdown points, they would NEVER get on the all time points list. the entire list would be populated by field goal kickers.

    kicking isn’t an important part of pro football my ass.

    Put Ray Guy IN!

    nuff said.

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