A Ryan-Tannenbaum tug-of-war could be coming in New York

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Four years ago, as the Jets imploded from 8-3 to 9-7, owner Woody Johnson declared that both G.M. Mike Tannenbaum and coach Eric Mangini would return.

The day after the season ended, Mangini was fired.

Now that the Jets are careening toward another season of unfulfilled expectations, Tannenbaum and coach Rex Ryan could be inclined to run for cover and blame the other guy for the current state of the team, in anticipation of another potential one-stays-and-one-goes decision at the end of the year.

An opinion item from New York Daily News beat writer Manish Mehta argues that Rex isn’t the problem — a lack of talent is.  While Mehta never specifically calls out G.M. Mike Tannenbaum as the reason for the lack of talent, the implication is unmistakable:  The current state of the team is Tannenbaum’s fault, not Ryan’s.

Mehta points to a “glaring lack of depth that has come back to bite the Jets in the wake of key injuries,” and “an eye-opening 53 personnel moves since the start of the season, seemingly tinkering with the bottom half of the roster on a daily basis.”

The item also points out that key injuries have made it harder for the Jets to succeed, which can be regarded as another excuse for a head coach who fairly can be characterized as being on the hot seat.

Though this week’s offering from Mehta won’t create the same shock waves as last week’s “Tebow is terrible” report, it should.  It speaks to subtle-but-palpabale attempt by Tannenbaum and Ryan to blame the other guy for the current state of the franchise — and it represents an effort (whether solicited or not) to make the case that, if someone needs to be fired when the dust settles, it shouldn’t be Ryan.

41 responses to “A Ryan-Tannenbaum tug-of-war could be coming in New York

  1. Ryan wins out. Hopefully he gets to pick his own personnel guy this off season. This team isn’t being built for Ryan’s philosophy. They need a much better O-Line, they need a star Noise Tackle, and they need a workhorse RB in the style of a muscle hamster.

  2. I did a double take when I read this headline.

    Are you kidding me? How can anyone argue that both of these clowns don’t have to go?

    Yes, Tannenbaum has done a terrible job with the roster. But blame for the absolute gong show that the locker has turned into and the complete inability to control his players is Ryan’s, plain and simple.

    Why on earth would an owner hire a new GM to have that GM send good players into a Ryan-run locker room? Why bother?

  3. Just look at who Tannenbaum signed. I know Ryan didn’t give Bart Scott, Santonio Holmes guranteed contracts to the point they are stuch with them. Ryan also didn’t work out a short term Revis deal to have to deal with it again. Tannebaum is garbage and don’t know how to sign players.There is a reason players like to come here, they get guranteed money and only have to have one great year.

  4. Rex is a great coach and his style works with some players. But there is a locker room problem over there.

  5. A few of years ago Ryan Clady was the obvious pick at 6 (talent wise) but the Jets had/have a great LT and needed a pass rusher. Pass on Clady and draft Gholston. Imagine Clady at RT for the past 4 years?

    Draft for talent and STOP trading picks to move up for ‘need’. The Jets lack of picks has killed their depth.

    Marc Ross for GM. If the Jets don’t get him, someone else will… real soon.

  6. What I don’t understand is why did everyone think they would be great in the first place. Terribad WR because they didn’t keep santonio or Brad Smith. Defense a year older, qb question, a coach who pretty much hands out participation trophies.. Why were they picked by ANYONE to be super bowl bound?!?

  7. Tannenbaum will be relieved of personnel duties, no question. But Rex stayed focused on the defense and left the offense to Schottenheimer/Sparano. Rex failed to be a head coach.

    Once the Giants rid themselves of Tiki, Shockey, and Strahan, the locker room became the property of Coughlin and Eli, and you have not heard one word about that since. The Jets locker room does not belong to Rex and Sanchez… and the head coach is at fault there.

  8. “It speaks to subtle-but-palpabale attempt by Tannenbaum and Ryan to blame the other guy”

    No it doesn’t. There’s nothing there that demonstrates finger pointing. It really speaks to a not so subtle attempt by Mehta to stir things up in the Jets org.

  9. I dont see Ryan as being the problem here. Granted his personality is annoying and its his fault these guys in the locker room cant shut their mouths and just play the game.

    But they play hard for him and with a seriously flawed roster that contains a QB who isnt any good, a group of WR’s who cant catch, an O-line thats horrendous and no pash rush capabilites one can argue they should probably be even worse than their record is. Theres a lack of talent on this team and some of these contracts suck (hello Santonio Holmes). Thats the GMs fault. This team hasnt quit on Ryan. He is a pretty decent coach.

  10. If any of you don’t think that Ryan has about 80-90% say on who is on the roster, who gets drafted and who gets signed your kidding yourselves. Tannenbaum is not a personel guy…he was the cap guy before he bacame GM. They are both at fault and both should be fired. The problem with the NFL right now is the gap guys who become GM’s think they know scouting…they don’t…it takes years of experience to become a good scout and decision maker.

  11. Tannenbaum is an absolute train wreck and he is to blame for giving Rex Ryan that garbage of a roster.

    Not only does he suck at evaluating talent, he also clearly couldn’t manage the finances of a mom and pop dry cleaning store.

    Tannenbaum is to GM what Rich Kotite was to coaching.

  12. I like Ryan and think he’s a good defensive coach (great one.) However, he’s lacking in the leadership department, and the locker room and off field foibles of the last couple years bear that out. Naming Santonio Holmes captain of anything should be enough to get fired.

  13. I agree with someone who said yesterday to move the Jets to L.A. Think about it. L.A. deserves Ryan and Tannenbaum, and visa-versa.

  14. Jets should gut the whole thing and start over. Look at the roster. It’s in really bad shape. Both Tannenbaum and Ryan have misled Jets fans long enough.

  15. What was the expectation this year? Rex claims this could have been the best roster he’s ever had. The rest of us looked at it with eyebrows raised to the heavens in shock. I figured them to be a 6 or 7 win team even without the injuries. They’ve been fortunate to win two of the four games they’ve won. They’re right on track for where I’ve had them. Holmes wouldn’t have been good for more than a win, maybe two max, on a last minute play or something. The defense really hasn’t missed Revis, since he’s no Tillman where he takes back INTs or fumbles for scores, so seriously, they were slated to be a 6-7 win team by most objective viewers, and that’s what they will be.

    However, the rumbling around the city from what I’ve heard all along is that Rex has more pull with personnel moves, so with Glat coming in, Mr. T is probably the odd man out. Woody loves Rex, there’s no way he’s going anywhere until after next season.

  16. I am not a Jets fan, but they are without their best player on defense, who is maybe one of the best in the game, and are without their best player on offense. Take those two players away from any team and see how far they go.

  17. If you want a real GM in there he’s going to want to have a coach in place he wants to work with. Even if you think that Ryan is a good coach that doesn’t mean having him forced upon a new GM won’t limit your options.

  18. They just need to stay course. Look at all they’ve accomplished, this year alone. Great leadership I sense in this locker room. They just need to “unleash” Sanchez and quit this ground and pound crap. Mark Sanchez is an elite QB in this league, let him loose.

  19. They are both to blame, Rex wanted Tony Sparano and that offense is pathetic to say the least.
    Why did they get Tebow, what has he done???
    Nothing at all. That’s Rex and Tony’s fault, The Jets were a mess last year, and a mess this year, same 2 people still there, so maybe they should both go.

  20. bigperm33 says:
    Nov 21, 2012 3:07 PM
    I am not a Jets fan, but they are without their best player on defense, who is maybe one of the best in the game, and are without their best player on offense. Take those two players away from any team and see how far they go.
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    The Ravens played their first 6 games without 2011 defensive MVP Suggs, and have been playing without top tier CB Lardarius Webb and future HOF Ray Lewis for several games now and still sit at 8-2.

    Also, your WR is only as good as his QB, or lack thereof in this case, and it’s not like they are losing every game by 1-3 pts, in which case maybe he makes a 1-2 W difference.

  21. Talent is the problem? I can remember many times hearing Rex Ryan clamor over the talent level that this Jets team has. Constant praise about the superstars that grace the Jets locker room. Now they say its a talent issue? I bet if you look at Tannenbaum’s history throughout Free Agency and the draft, he has a pretty good eye for talent. Say what you want about Tannenbaum, Rex Ryan is the official fault of this team. He can’t figure out how to get the most from the talent he has on the team. Out goes Ryan!

  22. bigperm33 says:
    Nov 21, 2012 3:07 PM

    Take those two players away from any team and see how far they go.

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    One could argue that the Bucs fall into this category with the loss of both Carl Nicks due to injury and Aqib Talib due to suspension/trade, and they are in FAR better shape than the Jay Ee Tee Es.

  23. vargavarga says:
    Nov 21, 2012 3:30 PM
    They just need to stay course. Look at all they’ve accomplished, this year alone. Great leadership I sense in this locker room. They just need to “unleash” Sanchez and quit this ground and pound crap. Mark Sanchez is an elite QB in this league, let him loose.

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    Congratulations! You’ve just won delusional comment of the day. Even if you truly believe the Sanchize is an elite QB (laughable), who the heck is he going to “let it loose” to? Jets have no receivers.

  24. “They just need to stay course. Look at all they’ve accomplished, this year alone. Great leadership I sense in this locker room. They just need to “unleash” Sanchez and quit this ground and pound crap. Mark Sanchez is an elite QB in this league, let him loose.?”

    Surely you must be joking, right?

  25. I’m a Rex Ryan guy, but to think they’re going to find a decent GM to take the job without being able to pick their own coach, and with the incumbent being perhaps the most volatile coach in sports, well that’s just ludicrous.

  26. As a Jets fan all I have heard about this season/offseason is how terribly bad the Jets roster is. If that is the truth, and I believe it is, then the very fact that they are 4-6 with a remote chance still at the playoffs indicates the Ryan can, in fact, coach. Tanny has got to go. He signed Holmes to a mega-contract, drafted Gholston, dropped Woodhead, kept Hunter, alienated Revis, cheap-skated Woody into reitrement, cut Faneca….and there are many, many more examples…..Problem is talent, not coaching.

  27. “Why on earth would an owner hire a new GM to have that GM send good players into a Ryan-run locker room? Why bother?”

    Perhaps you weren’t paying attention during Rex’s first two years.

  28. Well, that’s an extremely easy decision. One person is a very good head coach, and the other one has assembled the worst roster this side of the Eagles. So you have someone who’s good at his job, and someone who’s not.

    Unless it’s apparent that Ryan has been dabbling a little more than is known in personnel decisions (and even then, that just means you need a better talent evaluator in place to minimize that problem), the Jets would be making a huge mistake to push him out the door considering what he’s done with the Sanchize albatross hanging around his neck.

    Of course, I expect the Jets to do the worst possible thing and continue toiling in mediocrity.

  29. @zeke2517

    And apparently you weren’t watching the last two.

    The effects of Ryan’s “let the inmates run the asylum” policies are cumulative. Haven’t you noticed that the antics have gotten worse and worse each season? It’s a down hill slope.

    And imagine how bad it will be if they get rid of Tannenbaum and not Ryan. That will validate in the players eyes all of the nonsense of the last two years.

    Imagine how out of control Rex will be if he believes he won a power struggle? Whoever replaces Tannenbaum will be absolutely powerless to reign him in.

  30. “They just need to stay course. Look at all they’ve accomplished, this year alone. Great leadership I sense in this locker room. They just need to “unleash” Sanchez and quit this ground and pound crap. Mark Sanchez is an elite QB in this league, let him loose.”

    All he does is win, all he does is win…

    Brilliant! Well played, sir.

  31. Take your favorite team.

    Remove the # 1 CB, and #1 WR. What’s said team’s record? Also let’s factor in #1 CB is arguably #1 CB in the NFL, and #1 WR is Top 10ish. That’s a lot to overcome.

    Now from watching hard knocks Tannebaum seems over his head in the GM role. Guy looked frazzled and run down in every scene. I think a shrewd draft and someone who can stand up to Rex and draft, best talent available O or D, will make a difference for them.

  32. Rex took two mediocre teams to AFC title games, imagine if his GM hooked him up with a Clay Matthews type of pass rusher – or a young Talented QB like Andy Dalton – or an offensive tackle that doesn’t suck – or a good runningback – idk.

    Fire GM – get a better one – give rex some talent – if he flubs again – fire him – Then get a better coach.

  33. If they make a change make a total change. If you have too many pre-conditions on key positions no one with any credibility will take the job! It all starts at the top. These locker room issues scare me long term too. Start over!

  34. I think Ryan is a better coach now than he was when he went to 2 AFC title games. How can he not have learned from his mistakes by now? (Telling the world every week that Revis is the best defensive player in the NFL then wondering why a huge contract dispute comes along). I think a good GM will make the Jets competitive quickly.

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