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Raiders-Bengals fight won’t result in automatic suspensions

Andrew Whitworth, Lamarr Houston AP

Given the rules in other sports, news that players have left the bench area to join a fight creates a sense that those players will be facing automatic suspensions.

In the NFL, that’s not how it works.

“It’s not automatic,” NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told PFT via email on Sunday night regarding the question of whether, for example, Raiders defensive lineman Tommy Kelly will receive a suspension for joining the fray.  “Specific facts and circumstances are evaluated case by case.”

That evaluation undoubtedly will begin today, as the NFL looks at the various camera angles and tries to decide who should be fined or suspended.

The problem began when Raiders defensive end Lamarr Houston hit Bengals quarterback Andy Dalton following a false start.  Cincinnati tackle Andrew Whitworth took exception, and it went downhill from there.  The incident came on the first play after an inadvertent whistle wiped out a turnover by the Bengals.

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41 Responses to “Raiders-Bengals fight won’t result in automatic suspensions”
  1. metalhead65 says: Nov 26, 2012 8:55 AM

    only the raiders would cheap shot the qb on a false start,good for whitworth for sticking up for his teammate.

  2. bosssixty says: Nov 26, 2012 8:58 AM

    shoutout to whitworth!!!

  3. jaybird304 says: Nov 26, 2012 8:58 AM

    Raiders recovery and TD wiped i meant to say

  4. bengalsucker says: Nov 26, 2012 8:59 AM

    There was no “hit Dalton after a false start”. He picked him up and slammed him LONG after the play had been blown dead. All because the REFS blew a call in favor of the Bengals. Way to show you’re scum Faiders!

  5. huhsj says: Nov 26, 2012 9:01 AM

    There was more uproar when Suh tackled Cutler legally during a play than there is for Houston tackling Dalton well after the whistle blew. Where is the outrage?

  6. bengalsucker says: Nov 26, 2012 9:10 AM

    Raiders fans are still upset that the worst owner in sports (Mike Brown) absolutely FLEECED their team for 2 high draft picks for a past his prime QB. And the coach who facilitated it on the Raiders end now works for the Bengals. Classic! Keep whining Faider fans. Your team got flat out destroyed by a barely average Bengals team yesterday. Now go home and quit for the season like Palmer is good at.

  7. richardcolvinreid says: Nov 26, 2012 9:18 AM

    Off topic but Jerry jones is officially the worst owner in sports. At least mike brown keeps his ugly face out of the news.

  8. teambringitstrong says: Nov 26, 2012 9:19 AM

    I see the white trash Ohioans are talking about class after your people poured beer on Palmer as he was leaving the field. TRASH.

  9. raiders1995 says: Nov 26, 2012 9:32 AM

    Lamaar should not be suspended. He didn’t hear the whistle. so bengal fans stop crying about how he tackled Dalton after the whistle. Whitworth should be the one being suspended and also fined for telling the fans to make some noise after he was ejected

  10. steady24 says: Nov 26, 2012 9:35 AM

    T Kelly came on after dunlap, lawson, mays were all on the field. Bungel fans were all so loud from the refs screwing the raiders on the early whistle Houston couldnt hear that whistle. Whitworth stood up and went straight down

  11. joetoronto says: Nov 26, 2012 9:38 AM

    First of all, the officials are responsible for that mess, if anybody should be suspended, it’s them.

    Secondly, Houston didn’t “body slam”, “slam”, or even “hit” Dalton. He rolled him up, that’s it.

    As for Kelly being ejected for “coming off the bench”, what about all the other players and COACHES, who came off the bench too?

  12. Cereal says: Nov 26, 2012 9:43 AM

    Man the Raiders are terrible, they are the worst team in the NFL right now

  13. jm91rs says: Nov 26, 2012 9:47 AM

    Keep in mind that I’m a Bengals fan when I say this…I’ve watched the replay a bunch of times, I’m really wondering why Dalton kept running after the whistle. We can hear the whistle on replays but, but it sure didn’t look like Dalton heard it, so maybe it was harder to hear on the field than we thought. The tackle was a little hard, but Dalton looked to be running a sneak and if he’s a runner the tackle is justified.

    That being said, if Whit heard the whistle then he has every right to be pissed that his QB got hit. That’s exactly the kind of thing that would bring an offense closer.

  14. autumnwind999 says: Nov 26, 2012 10:03 AM

    The officials should be suspended for effecting a 21-point swing in the Bengals favor in that game.

    1. Phantom clipping call on Raiders G Mike Brisiel stalls a solid drive that would’ve been 1st down already been in FG range without the bogus call.

    2. Whatever took place during and after that inadvertent whistle call. That was a fireable level of incompetence.

    Also, for all the white trash Bengals fans outraged at the Raiders, at least three Bengals players left the bench, just like Tommy Kelly yet none were ejected. Just more incompetence from the men in black and white stripes.

  15. 989lions says: Nov 26, 2012 10:11 AM

    Good for Withworth I liked seeing O linemen sticking up for their QB. Also, can you imagine the outrage if this was Suh? the internet might have collapsed, CBS would have a low light reel to play by the end of the match, and talking heads everywhere would rejoice.

  16. tdk24 says: Nov 26, 2012 10:26 AM

    Could have used McFadden in this game, when the hell is he coming back?

  17. fitnesstrainer6788 says: Nov 26, 2012 10:26 AM

    There is something seriously wrong with the Raiders… On paper, they have a billion $ ability, but a nickels worth of discipline and mental toughness.

    This doesn’t start with Dennis Allen… This is a cultural behavior that starts from the top. This mentality has been cultivated for decades, yet that way of operating stopped working decades ago.

    Mark Davis is clearly not cut out to manage so kudos to him for bringing in R.M. Problem is that his father was clearly not cut out to run the team for many years. Reggie’s got a lot of work to do to create a new culture that makes the Al Davis way of do business a thing of the past.

    I’m a Broncos fan through And through , but I’m not blind to see that a good rivalry between my Broncos and the Raiders is much better when both teams are good. Sadly it’s been many years since both were good at the same time.

  18. cincity7378 says: Nov 26, 2012 10:27 AM

    the bengals players came on the field but didnt get involved like kelly did. thats why he got booted

  19. tdk24 says: Nov 26, 2012 10:30 AM

    Neither of these teams will make the playoffs, so it doesn’t matter if anyone is suspended.

  20. ka14hof says: Nov 26, 2012 10:38 AM

    What happened to a “football move” really? HUH? When did Steve Tasker become a RAIDER lover? That was sad, that was NOT a catch, NOT a fumble and therefore that was NOT a “robbery of the mighty raider nation” cmon Raider fan, your not good, your defense took the first half off and you got a QB that throws picks under pressure>>>> That Marcel Reese is a HORSE though!

  21. hitdog042 says: Nov 26, 2012 10:43 AM

    As usual JoeToronto needs a rule refresher. It’s players who come off the bench to participate. And he was the only one. Players trying to break it up do not count.

    Surprised there wasn’t a Bengals slam in there Joe. You must be running out.

  22. dannymac17 says: Nov 26, 2012 10:53 AM

    Raiders were still gonna lose that game.

    It’s moot to talk about point swings. The Raiders defense couldn’t stop anyone.

  23. Clay says: Nov 26, 2012 10:53 AM

    The problem began when Raiders defensive end Lamarr Houston hit Bengals quarterback Andy Dalton following a false start.

    Nope. The problem started when the refs blew the whistle with a ball lying on the field, just prior to it being picked up and returned for a score by the raiders..

    also interesting – 3 bengals came off the bench…. none of them ejected.

    bring back the replacements…

  24. westcoastraider says: Nov 26, 2012 11:04 AM

    I’m sure it wasn’t intentionally a cheap shot.. Houston just thought it was another one of them “inadvertent whistles” the refs kept throwing off… As for Kelly he didn’t come off the bench to get into the fight he was coming in as a substitution and got wrapped up in it…

  25. bigcatdaddy says: Nov 26, 2012 11:04 AM

    White Trash? I guess I’d rather be white trash than a stupid jigger or wetback. Stop crying cause your teams got destroyed. To

  26. theroc5156 says: Nov 26, 2012 11:07 AM

    First off, as a Bengal fan, I have to admit I didn’t think the tackle on Dalton was that bad. Dalton was still running and it seems that he didn’t hear any whistle either.

    Secondly, I also have no issues with Whit sticking up for his QB. It’s a tone-setter for them saying “We’re not going to take sh!t from anyone”.

    Lastly, it’s hilarious reading Raider fans calling Bengal fans trash. Pot meet kettle. Go shoot up a mall or something else you are good at.

  27. felixinmiami says: Nov 26, 2012 11:11 AM

    As a Raider fan, I had no issues with the O-Linemen protecting his QB. NONE. I have an issue with 2 terrible calls that killed momentum for the Raiders. That TERRIBLE phantom clipping/tripping call on the screen that should have resulted in 15 yards and 1st and 10 at the Bengals 30-35…and the premature whistle(which were clearly harped on by the announcing team team for the game) Did it cost the Raiders the game, maybe…maybe not. For as completely dominating that the Bengals were in the 1st half, they were being outplayed in the 2nd half. That last TD coming as a result of the premature whistle. Without it, the Bengals only score 3 points in the 2nd half.

  28. 7pints says: Nov 26, 2012 11:23 AM

    It’s a lot of fun reading all the boo-hoos from Jokeland fans. Lol.

  29. r8rsfan says: Nov 26, 2012 11:40 AM

    I have no problem with the “brawl”. At least some passion was displayed, even if it was misplaced. This team is just going through the motions. No pride, no poise, no commitment to anything.

  30. daytonsfinest says: Nov 26, 2012 11:53 AM

    The only Raiders player who should be crying over that inadvertent whistle is the only Raiders player who actually knew what was going on. The entire team besides the guy who ran the ball back was clueless. They were rotating players on the field as soon as that whistle blew. It wasn’t for another 5 minutes that the team figured out it was a catch and fumble. The refs can be blamed sure. But the Raiders need to control their players and their emotions. You throw our QB after the whistle, you deserve to get Whit in your face. I hope everyone of those Raiders players who snuck jabs into the pile get fined. That was just dirty.

  31. bengalskuta82 says: Nov 26, 2012 12:06 PM

    Whit did the right thing..Sticking up for teamates..Raiders should be pissed at themselves, they got pushed around until they got to be the Faiders in the 1st half..So don’t take up on The Red Rifle or you’ll pay.

  32. sourdough says: Nov 26, 2012 12:26 PM

    I can understand Raider fans frustration. After all, this loss means the Raiders won’t have a winning season…again. For those who don’t follow the Raiders this loss wraps up another losing season, the Raiders tenth season in a row w.o posting a winning record. That streak includes seven straight seasons w. at least eleven (11) losses , an NFL record.

    Just lose, baby!

  33. pooflingingmonkey says: Nov 26, 2012 12:34 PM

    Raider Whine! Goes great with any TV dinner!

  34. jm91rs says: Nov 26, 2012 12:56 PM

    sourdough says: Nov 26, 2012 12:26 PM

    For those who don’t follow the Raiders this loss wraps up another losing season, the Raiders tenth season in a row w.o posting a winning record. That streak includes seven straight seasons w. at least eleven (11) losses , an NFL record.

    ______________________________________

    A streak like that would get Marvin Lewis a 10 year contract extension.

  35. raider17 says: Nov 26, 2012 1:12 PM

    Call a fair game for once! There’s the rule book and then there’s the Raider rule book!

    Al Davis Forever!!!
    Just Win Baby!!!

  36. nbcwantsitsmoneyback says: Nov 26, 2012 3:02 PM

    I hear the immortal words of Sam Wyche

    Will the next person that sees ANYBODY throw anything onto this field, point ‘em out…and get ‘em out of here – you don’t live in Cleveland, you live in Cincinnati!

  37. raiderlyfe510 says: Nov 26, 2012 3:49 PM

    Well. You might as well earn a flag and get a good shot on the opposition as opposed to phantom calls.

    I knew this was going to be a long season after the coaching staff was assembled. I’m surprised we won 3 games actually.

  38. raiduhdude says: Nov 26, 2012 3:55 PM

    Funny that people say “oh that didn’t matter, they still would have lost”

    1) they were able to stop the Bengals offensive for a few drives before, so to say they didn’t stop anyone is stupid

    2) does that excuse the fact that those events were another display of referee incompetence?? bad calls are bad calls, it doesn’t matter if the team is garbage or not.

    3) that’s 10-14 points that the referees took away, including the “clipping” call. if everything is called right, that’s possibly a 27-24 or a 27-20 game, with 7 minutes left to play. there’s a lot that can go on with that much time left…

  39. rangerrick012 says: Nov 26, 2012 5:13 PM

    Refs should be suspended for pure incompetence yesterday. Oakland likely would’ve lost anyways, but the refs were awful all day yesterday, as well as in the Hou-Det, Pit-Cle, and SD-Bal games yesterday. I bet if it were the replacement refs we wouldn’t hear the end of it. But it’s glossed over bc these are the ‘real’ refs.

  40. hrdcorbengalsfan says: Nov 26, 2012 7:01 PM

    To all the raiders fans….first, the “inadvertent whistle” was a fiasco. Yes, the Bengals got the advantage from what happened but “inadvertent whistles” seem to happen at least once a season throughout the league. Second, the fight occurred and the blame for it depends upon your loyalty to your team and your point of view. Third, try to understand that Palmer was an icon in our town. Our fans stood by him good or bad and accepted all of his explanations and excuses. The last game he played in Cincy was the low point of his mediocre career. We would still have supported him in 2012, for he had years to go on his contract. He quit on us and you assumed his contract. You have him now. Yesterday was our chance to vent and we took it. How do you view him now?

  41. raiderapologist says: Nov 27, 2012 5:54 PM

    jm91rs says: Nov 26, 2012 9:47 AM

    Keep in mind that I’m a Bengals fan when I say this…I’ve watched the replay a bunch of times, I’m really wondering why Dalton kept running after the whistle. We can hear the whistle on replays but, but it sure didn’t look like Dalton heard it, so maybe it was harder to hear on the field than we thought. The tackle was a little hard, but Dalton looked to be running a sneak and if he’s a runner the tackle is justified.
    ———-
    I knew a reasonable Bengal fan would step up and say something reasonable.

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