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Goodell says league can’t decide intent of Suh kick

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When it comes to whether a football player meant to hit a defenseless player in the head or neck area, the NFL doesn’t care about intent.  When it comes to whether Lions defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh intended to put his foot in the crotch of Texans quarterback Matt Schaub, the NFL suddenly does.

Commissioner Roger Goodell said Tuesday night at a Lions-related charity event that the league has found it difficult to determine whether Suh intended to kick Schaub in the groin area, according to the Associated Press.

That may be true, but Suh apparently intended to kick Schaub somewhere.

The unnatural shove of the leg shows that Suh, knowing his leg was in the vicinity of Schaub, wanted to strike the quarterback with the bottom of Suh’s shoe.  When engaging in that kind of intentional conduct, it shouldn’t matter whether the player intended to hit the opponent in the knee or in the nuts.

For the NFL, the damage often drives the punishment.  Jets guard Matt Slauson wouldn’t have been fined if his arguably legal block on Texans linebacker Brian Cushing hadn’t torn Cushing’s ACL.  And Broncos linebacker Joe Mays surely wouldn’t have been suspended for a game if his helmet-to-helmet hit on Schaub hadn’t knocked Schaub’s helmet off his head, along with a piece of his ear.

In those situations, the NFL doesn’t want to hear that the defensive player didn’t intend harm.  So why does it matter now?

Maybe Goodell was simply treading lightly before a pro-Lions crowd.  Or maybe the league office has gone soft during the fledgling holiday season.  Either way, there’s a looming discrepancy between what the NFL does to guys who are trying to do their jobs and guys who are deliberately going beyond the confines of the rules.

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  1. jmclarkent says: Nov 27, 2012 9:41 PM

    When you are a repeat offender, you lose the benefit of the doubt.

  2. rr2000k says: Nov 27, 2012 9:41 PM

    Funny, I can’t decide the intent of Goodell.

  3. stevemo says: Nov 27, 2012 9:43 PM

    I love watching stuff in slow motion to determine the intent of actions.

  4. notaslappy says: Nov 27, 2012 9:43 PM

    Package Suh and Young to get us some draft picks and a CB or DE…tired of reading/hearing all the negative garbage about these two. The city of Detroit has an unfortunately bad image, and these two clowns aren’t helping things.

  5. shutupbrees says: Nov 27, 2012 9:45 PM

    I agree, that its tough to determine without a shadow of a doubt Suh’s intent. But a reasonable person can tell what had happened.

    The most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard in sports was Clemens saying he thought a sawed off bat was a baseball, which he threw at Mike Piazza (for some reason the media never followed up on) running down the line.

    Suh’s career is one big wooden baseball.

  6. 3kdad says: Nov 27, 2012 9:49 PM

    First time I have ever agreed with every word.

  7. stevenfbrackett says: Nov 27, 2012 9:49 PM

    Maybe he should watch the tape. Then he would have no doubt that Suh’s latest kick was just as intentional as his previous offenses.

  8. whhaaat says: Nov 27, 2012 9:51 PM

    This just proves even Goodell loves a good nut shoot, because nut shoots are hilarious.

  9. Andre's Johnson says: Nov 27, 2012 9:54 PM


  10. letsgotemple says: Nov 27, 2012 9:54 PM

    Bull sht

  11. indyspeedo says: Nov 27, 2012 9:54 PM

    This guy isa repeat offender and not just on the football field. Suspend this clown for a year maybe he will get the message. He is going to hurt someone either on the field or on the road. Come on man!

  12. jerrykill4pres says: Nov 27, 2012 9:54 PM

    Roger is scared that this walking pile of rat dung might kick him too!

  13. csilojohnson says: Nov 27, 2012 9:56 PM

    Hands down the best article by Mr. Florio I’ve ever read. Finally some unfiltered journalism on the league before the comment section. Here are some other juicy yet ignored stories..
    Patriots cheat thier way to 3 super bowls.
    The Real Refs.
    The Cowboys are not America’s team, and no I will not take another survey asking me that question.
    Better start now. Once the season ends you will be swamped with DUI reports.

  14. randy001 says: Nov 27, 2012 9:57 PM

    Would he like me to explain it to him?

  15. logicalvoicesays says: Nov 27, 2012 9:57 PM

    Criminals support Criminals.

  16. sdisme says: Nov 27, 2012 9:58 PM

    But despite no evidence Scott Fujita ever contributed or participated in a bounty program, they could prove his intent to injure.

    Makes sense to me.

  17. thejabronisayz says: Nov 27, 2012 10:00 PM

    Based on the results of the poll, about 78% of the people who voted have two working eyes, 14% of people are Lions fans, and 7% of people are too stupid to form an opinion on their own.

  18. bucrightoff says: Nov 27, 2012 10:01 PM

    Once is one thing, twice is maybe…several times? No doubt about his intent.

  19. thejuddstir says: Nov 27, 2012 10:05 PM

    These are the actions and words that cause Goodell to be villified by fans. Absolutely no consistency in his actions/decisions regarding punishment to players. As Florio so astutely pointed out, a players “intent” has never been a consideration when Goodell has dolted out fines and suspensions but why is an issue now? Suh has been one of Goodells favorites ever since he was drafted and Goodell made his stupid endorsing comment of how “players like Suh are the future of the NFL………………”. Players like James Harrison, Ed Reed, Ray Lewis etc. never have any intent to injure and their actions are during the course of play whereas what makes Suh different is that his actions are always malicieous and AFTER the play. Can’t understand how Suh was not suspended for a minimum of 4 gms as a repeat offender.

  20. sosuhme says: Nov 27, 2012 10:05 PM

    This year Suh has ONE penalty through 11 games, which must make him the LEAST penalized starting Defensive Tackle in the league. He was also named the most charitable US professional athlete (not just football player) in 2011. Let it go folks.

  21. noeffinway says: Nov 27, 2012 10:09 PM

    You people have all gone over the deep end. LMAO, makes for some entertaining reading though……..hahaha, be miserable people. I love it! SUH is a beast! SSSSSUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHH!!!!!!!!!!! Coming after a QB near you!

  22. mogogo1 says: Nov 27, 2012 10:10 PM

    I have no clue from day to day what the NFL is up to. One day it’s all about player safety so a guy will get fined for a “helmet to helmet” hit even if the replay clearly shows it wasn’t really helmet to helmet…the next day repeat offenders kick a QB in the groin and it becomes a case of everybody deserving the benefit of the doubt. It’s like Goodell uses a magic 8 ball to make decisions.

  23. koenig61 says: Nov 27, 2012 10:10 PM

    I se this as being no different than when a lineman whips his leg to stop a running back. He’s not trying to injure or hurt a player, but he’s using whatever means necessary to interrupt the play. I just don’t see how you can suspend suh based on him pushing his leg in the general direction of schaub. Also when it comes to intent, why did the league rescind its suspension of Ed Reed? Was it because Ed didnt intend to H2H sanders? Or was it because sanders ducked 2-3 inches prior to the hit? Either way I see no difference between that and James Harrison’s hit on massaquoi. Massaquoi ducked a full foot, and there was no intent to H2H him by Harrison. What it all comes down to is the league is flying by the seat of its pants when it comes to determining hits, fines, and suspensions. The safety initive is a good one, but the implementation of it is just bad.

  24. thejuddstir says: Nov 27, 2012 10:11 PM

    Goodell can’t go to New Orleans and now he wants to get out of Detroit alive. It won’t be long Roger and there won’t be a city in the NFL that you will feel safe unless you start meting out some consistency in your suspensions and fines. You have more players than ever who are challenging your decisions (fines/suspensions) because of your lack of consistency and your choice of words in your explanation. If you are going to give Suh a free pass because of not knowing what his “intent” was, you just opened the door for more lawyers, lawsuits, challenges to your authority to be impartial and appeals. I use to think Goodell was a pretty smart person but it seems every time he makes a decision or opens his mouth he causes a new flux of problems.

  25. noeffinway says: Nov 27, 2012 10:11 PM

    You say Suh is dirty? Well, if this beast of a DT is so dirty why don’t I see a video montage of it all? Where is the endless video footage of the dirty? You can be certain that if it were there, that some enterprising sportswriter would throw together a comprehensive report documenting each dirty ‘thing’ he has done.
    AND, where are all the penalties? The beast has had only an off-sides penalty this season and nothing else! Shouldn’t such a dirty player have a pile of yellow flags collected? I mean at least one personal foul you would think, eh? Maybe a hands to the face penalty or a holding call, I mean at least something. Anything! But all we have is a measly one off-sides.
    AND where are the scuffles with opposing players that would certainly be occurring if he was dirty? Yeah, there are none of those either……smh…… WHY is this? Because there is NO dirty.

  26. 2difshoe says: Nov 27, 2012 10:13 PM

    Goodell, don a uniform, play the QB positon 1 game against the Lions.

    I’m sure you you’ll get a clue then !

  27. scubasteve1687 says: Nov 27, 2012 10:13 PM

    How can they suspend Reed if they dont know the intent, i.e. jarring the ball loose. C’mon God-dell Jackass!

  28. hyzers says: Nov 27, 2012 10:14 PM

    Read it and weep, haters.

  29. imjinbrdgr says: Nov 27, 2012 10:20 PM

    Goodell and his gang of fools will surly be the death of the league. Fining guys for legal hits, some get suspended, some don’t. “Your suspended uhh, no you’re not” The whole Goodell administration needs to go before it’s to late!

    Pete Rozelle is turning over in his grave.

  30. jimthebuilder27 says: Nov 27, 2012 10:20 PM

    What a clown of a commissioner this guy is!

    I bet he decides punishment by throwing darts at a punishment board and picks out a random thing or number.

  31. thestrategyexpert says: Nov 27, 2012 10:20 PM

    Why would it be difficult to determine intent if Suh admits he intended it? I know you can be quick to say that Suh would deny it, but probably almost anybody that breaks the law or rules in any matter might think they could simply deny it if they get caught.

    That’s where political gamesmanship and detective work and negotiation skills come into play to getting the confession. I have no issue with the NFL claiming they can’t determine intent absent of Suh declaring as such, but I have an issue with the NFL not doing a good job to elicit a confession if they did in fact not do a good job.

    I have no idea what they did or did not do in this instance, but I have a hunch that they failed at an opportunity to get to the truth and to eliminate a gray area of confusion, misunderstanding, and injustice.

  32. rmc1995 says: Nov 27, 2012 10:21 PM

    What you continue to ignore is that Suh was being pulled down by the offensive lineman. A reasonably objective view sees a player being pulled down and pulled off balance from a normal football move. Any off balance movement caused by an opponent is never considered intentional.

    None of these examples of questionable hits were caused by an opponent pushing or pulling the player off balance into a knee or into helmet.

    If a player is pushed or pulled into contact by an opponent, that hit can’t be considered intentional.

    If you don’t see Suh being pulled down off balance on that play you are either blind or intentionally ignoring it because it contends with your argument.

  33. malekmj says: Nov 27, 2012 10:22 PM

    I am a die hard Lions fan. I am annoyed beyond belief by Suh’s antics. But this whole Nutt Gate is beyond insane. PLEASE PLEASE watch Arian Fosters interview about how he would LOVE to have Suh on his team. And no he is NOT a ninja. And Florio there are TONS of football guys like Jaws and other who have watched this thing 50 times that don’t think it was intentional. In realtime it isn’t even that close. So all you Bears fans and Texan cry babies should keep it shut. All this hate has made me actually change my mind on SUH. Bring it hot Suh. Crush Cutler. Go Lions. At some point the Hate will actually make up for the Lions discipline problems and get these guys so in line to prove all you morons wrong. One of the only teams to not loose a game by more than a score. We are in every game and NEVER get a call. The time is coming and Suh will be a part of it. Promise. Did I mention the Bears suck and Texans will lose cause Shaub sucks.

  34. tsimpson50 says: Nov 27, 2012 10:22 PM

    He intended to kick him in the balls! A 1st grader could tell you that….. 🙂

  35. insertcrypticnameher says: Nov 27, 2012 10:23 PM

    Florio supposedly was an attorney and he doesn’t know about reckless intent? When you intentionally tackle or block a player that is an act you are committing and are thus responsible to exercise a duty of care in how the hit results. That’s why intent automatically rises to the level of recklessness when the tackle or block goes wrong. Here you have a player who was pushed to the ground and tripped, so obviously a showing of intent is necessary since he didn’t initiate the sequence of events. Pretty basic logic.

    It’s a tough situation because even though I think most of us agree there appears to be intent, in any appealable sanction you do have to have some overwhelming argument when it comes to showing intent and there’s just enough doubt there for Suh to prevail in my opinion.

  36. insertnamehere2 says: Nov 27, 2012 10:31 PM

    I’m waiting for (no effinway:)’s stupidity to rear it’s little head!?

  37. pshanks62 says: Nov 27, 2012 10:33 PM

    He was rolling around on the ground…on his face mask…being blocked by someone…if ANY can intentionally kick a dude in the sack while doing that I’d be impressed…I’m a Lions fan…I want Suh traded and gone he is a selfish player…but this play wasn’t dirty, if any of the other linemen had done it, it would be a non issue.

  38. steele9153 says: Nov 27, 2012 10:35 PM

    the ginger hammer strikes again

  39. larryboodry says: Nov 27, 2012 10:35 PM

    letsgotemple says: Nov 27, 2012 9:54 PM

    “Bull sht”

    You forgot the ‘i’…

  40. 2difshoe says: Nov 27, 2012 10:37 PM

    malekmj says:

    ” Did I mention the Bears suck and Texans will lose cause Shaub sucks.”


    Malek, how’d the first Detroit, Bears first game turn out for ya ?

  41. bills4 says: Nov 27, 2012 10:37 PM

    As long as the Lions can beat the Colts this weekend. That’s all that matters!

  42. daknight93 says: Nov 27, 2012 10:41 PM

    the game is moving so fast, how can anyone say it was intentional..we can’t determine that…this shouldn’t be a discussion, when an injury happens do we all say another player intentionally injured him..if that’s the case, every player would be fined and we would be moving to flag football and Goodell is a fool for wasting his time with Suh’s kick cause as the article states Ginger can’t determine intent.

  43. hyzers says: Nov 27, 2012 10:42 PM

    2difshoe says:
    Nov 27, 2012 10:37 PM
    malekmj says:

    Malek, how’d the first Detroit, Bears first game turn out for ya ?

    Not sure what you’re saying but we can tell Hooked on Phonics didn’t turn out too well for you…

  44. usmutts says: Nov 27, 2012 10:46 PM

    When are you all going to quit acting surprised at Goodell’s arbitrariness and capriciousness? He considers himself a demi-god whose unreasonable decrees are unfettered by logic and fairness. He couldn’t care less what you, the fans, think. Wake up and quit the worship of this small minded, petty owner-flunky.

  45. thejuddstir says: Nov 27, 2012 10:46 PM

    Gotta laugh at all these Suh-sie fans who say he is a “beast”, which I think all of us will agree with but for different reasons. Then there’s the “where’s the proof, the video, blah blah”, I would submit that the people who know best are in the best position to judge Suh’s tactics and that would be “his peers” and for the second year in a row the NFL players voted Suh-sie the dirtiest player in the league. As for Suh-sie being such a dominant player…..what are his stats again this year, something like 13 lousey tackles and a handful of sacks. Suh’sies stats have been declining every year since entering the NFL. He’s worse than Albert Haynesworth and I can’t wait to hear his remarks when someone cuts him off at the………….knees, becuz he doesn’t have any balls.

  46. realitypolice says: Nov 27, 2012 10:46 PM

    I was reading on another web site the terrible cap shape the Lions will be in when faced with having to give Suh a huge new deal in the near future.

    Am I missing something? Is he that great? Given his off field shenanigans and his discipling issues on the field, is his production so extraordinary that you would give him a huge deal with tons of guaranteed money?

    If I were running the Lions, I would have to think about that one long and hard.

  47. 2difshoe says: Nov 27, 2012 10:48 PM

    The ” League ” also failed the ” Are you smarter than a 5th grader ” audition too.

  48. pappageorgio says: Nov 27, 2012 10:51 PM

    Suh attempted to leg whip Shaub.

    It’s not a fine. It should have been a 15 yd penalty but…..and here’s a shocker……the refs missed it. They missed a Guy laying flat on his face get up an run for a 70 yd TD. They miss calls every week.

    The blind Suh hate that runs wild on this site (by both the readers and writers) doesn’t change the fact that that’s all it was and should be 15 yds.

  49. Canyonero says: Nov 27, 2012 10:53 PM

    And Goodell said this at a charity event for the Detroit Lions? Okay.

    He must be worried about setting precedent for the league office to review tape trying to suss what player X was thinking when he did Y to player Z’s D.

    I appreciate that point, actually. Let the players play, and not have the NFL front office become a nanny obsessing over each play.

    But Suh clearly… clearly… clearly… kicked Schaub in the sausage.

  50. genericuser8888 says: Nov 27, 2012 10:54 PM

    The league suspended Fujita for “intent to injure” without proof. They had an entire season of football to review and never cited a single play.

    Vilma got an entire season for intent to injure with an entire career of football to review, and the league never cited a single play.

    Suh already got in trouble one for stomping on someone’s face. The league has video of it. It took place on national tv. Now, we have video again. His past punishment was comparatively minor for such behavior.

    Vilma twisted the leg (intentionally or accidentally?) in the 49er’s game last week. The player left with an injury. He may have (intentionally or accidentally?) done more damage in one play than he did in 3 seasons of “bounty” football. Punishment? Zero.

    When the league has videotape of a player committing a foul, they let them off with a slap on the wrist. When the league does not have any evidence of on-field infractions, it gives the players multi-game and full season suspensions.

    Way to go Goodell!! You dumb@$$!!!!

  51. imjinbrdgr says: Nov 27, 2012 10:55 PM

    mogogo1 says: Nov 27, 2012 10:10 PM

    I have no clue from day to day what the NFL is up to. One day it’s all about player safety so a guy will get fined for a “helmet to helmet” hit even if the replay clearly shows it wasn’t really helmet to helmet…the next day repeat offenders kick a QB in the groin and it becomes a case of everybody deserving the benefit of the doubt. It’s like Goodell uses a magic 8 ball to make decisions.

    Good post. Guess what mogo, the NFL has no clue what they are up to either. The problem is that there is so much money there that The 3 Stooges could run the league and it wouldn’t matter. Goodell is such an obvious joke pathetic. As long as the TV ratings stay up and people fill the stadiums and buy apparel and pack sports bars every Sunday Goodell and his band of fools can continue to do whatever nonsensical illogical thing they want and it just won’t matter. The only ones worse than them is the Players Union for giving them 100% control

  52. noeffinway says: Nov 27, 2012 11:00 PM


    insertnamehere2 November 27, 2012, 10:31 PM EST

    I’m waiting for (no effinway:)’s stupidity to rear it’s little head!?
    ——- – –
    Whack-a-mole? ha ha….ain’t gonna happen.

  53. WatchThis says: Nov 27, 2012 11:09 PM

    For all you who think the Lions have this huge problem of lack of discipline, who else except Suh and Titus are you talking about this season. I’m not asking about off-season incidents. I want to know who else has been a problem this season??? Who???

  54. thejuddstir says: Nov 27, 2012 11:11 PM

    This has got to make Jerrah’s day, LMAO

    Dallas Cowboys fans are calling on a higher power to erase Jerry Jones from the equation in Big D.
    Presidents and the NFL
    Take a look at the long history between the Presidents of the United States and the NFL.

    The Dallas Morning News reported Monday that a man from Ft. Benning, Ga. has petitioned President Barack Obama to remove Jones from power over the Cowboys organization.

    The petition, housed on the White House website and filed under the category of “Human Rights,” includes the following call to arms:

    “We, the Citizens of the Great State of Texas, and Dallas Cowboys fans worldwide, have been oppressed by an over controlling, delusional, oppressive dictator for way too long. Request the Executive Branch’s immediate assistance in removal of owner and GM, Jerry Jones. His incompetence and ego have not only been an extreme disappointment for way too long, but moreover, it has caused extreme mental and emotional duress.”

    As we post this, 412 U.S. citizens have signed the petition. Only 24,588 more are required for Obama to take this seriously. We’ve dispatched Rosenthal to monitor this development closely.

  55. spideysdog says: Nov 27, 2012 11:12 PM

    noeffinway says:
    Nov 27, 2012 10:11 PM
    You say Suh is dirty? Well, if this beast of a DT is so dirty why don’t I see a video montage of it all? Where is the endless video footage of the dirty? You can be certain that if it were there, that some enterprising sportswriter would throw together a comprehensive report documenting each dirty ‘thing’ he has done.
    AND, where are all the penalties? The beast has had only an off-sides penalty this season and nothing else! Shouldn’t such a dirty player have a pile of yellow flags collected? I mean at least one personal foul you would think, eh? Maybe a hands to the face penalty or a holding call, I mean at least something. Anything! But all we have is a measly one off-sides.
    AND where are the scuffles with opposing players that would certainly be occurring if he was dirty? Yeah, there are none of those either……smh…… WHY is this? Because there is NO dirty.

    Ummmmm….. have you watched Sportscenter or NFL Live or 32 or NBC Sports Network. The montages ARE out though buddy. The picking up and body slamming of a KC qb. The arm stomp against Green Bay last year. The kick to Schaub.

    But I can make a video of a violent game like football and probably make just about anyone look dirty. Lets avoid the trap of blindly following a montage put together by a bunch of tech geeks who never laced up shoulder pads.

    Lets look at his peers. Two years in a row they have voted him the “dirtiest player in the game”. I suppose that these men, the same guys that take the field with him, are clueless too right?

    Or maybe it is former college teammates that SHOULD have his back, that have come out and said his dirty play and antics werent even appreciated by his OWN teammates.

    I appreciate the fact that your a Lions fan. I appreciate the fact that you like his intensity and dominance. I can even appreciate you attempting to stick up for his play. But dear god, do not insult I or anyone else reading this with claims that he is NOT a dirty player. We haven’t even discussed the REPEATED traffic incidents or the off field character issues.

  56. jiggy3198 says: Nov 27, 2012 11:13 PM

    Dirtiest player in the game. No doubt he kicked him in the groin. If there was no intent his leg would continue to roll over not jut straight out into the genitals of another man

  57. starfan79 says: Nov 27, 2012 11:13 PM

    This is the way the league helps the Lions stay relevant. They want a three team race in a division.

  58. stinkythumbs says: Nov 27, 2012 11:20 PM

    noeffinway is clearly the smartest reader on this site. All the Suh and Lion hate is getting so old. I have no idea how you can watch the video in real time and conclude there is obvious intent. It’s just not there folks.

  59. vikingfan1971 says: Nov 27, 2012 11:34 PM

    I say bull it was intentional I saw it along with everyone else watching the games like some people are saying lion fans are going to stick up for suh poor schuab he gets kicked and no penalty either in the game that was pretty pathetic,
    I dont think the ones saying it was accidental if it happen to them.
    I am glad we are not playing the lions anymore this year,
    good luck colts

  60. 1oldpro says: Nov 27, 2012 11:44 PM

    If the package that was kicked had belonged to one of the four darlings of the NFL, the judgement would already have been decided and the penalty announced to a riotous public.

  61. texaned80 says: Nov 27, 2012 11:49 PM

    Suh might not play dirty on every play, but if he gets a clear opportunity or if you piss him off enough he wont hesitate to deliver a cheap shot. Look i watched every second of that game on Thanksgiving and Suh was virtualy unblockable. He whippind the texans interior line all day. Its clear this kid has a TON of talent. Its unfortunate for him and for Lions fans that he just cant get it all together

  62. jahsc06 says: Nov 27, 2012 11:51 PM

    Suh is a dirty player. When you fall, you do not naturally kick your leg out. This guy is more of a cancer to a team than Albert Hayneswoth.

  63. tigerman3 says: Nov 28, 2012 12:01 AM

    so after further review the Non Call Stands. Better Get Mike Pereira on the line to explain this one.

  64. marcinhouston says: Nov 28, 2012 12:07 AM

    You are innocent until proven guilty in the NFL, unless your last name is Vilma.

  65. mezanine10 says: Nov 28, 2012 12:32 AM

    What’s up with all these guys trying to hurt Schaub? It’s been like this his entire career. Albert Haynesworth had a strange disliking for him and injured him-twice. Drayton Florence took a bad cheap shot on him once and Schaub missed games. Joe Mays made it look personal the way he lead with his helmet. Ndamukong Suh tried to hurt Schaub twice-the kick and a bad no flag horse collar where he could have torn his ACL. I don’t notice this pattern with other QBs. So maybe Schaub is a jerk and people really don’t like him.

  66. bigdingyguy says: Nov 28, 2012 12:33 AM

    Suh is a great football player, its truly a shame that he has so little respect for the game and his competitors. Its just a matter of time before he seriously hurts someone after the play. Don’t get me wrong, I don”t mind players getting a little chippy, but every other week there is a debate about how much Suh should be fined, or weather or not he should be suspended.

    The Lions should look into finding some more classy defensive players; who knows? Maybe Bill Romanowski will come out of retirement…

  67. ryanw411 says: Nov 28, 2012 12:39 AM

    I love the fools that talk about his “after the whistle antics” and show that they know nothing about the guy’s play. Once in his career has he been penalized for anything after the whistle, that being when he kicked that scrub Packers (now there is a dirty team) guard last year after being provoked all game long. Zero personal fouls this year. This site is a great example of why NFL fans are drooling idiots by and large that just regurgitate baseless garbage. It shows what hypocrites and pansies most people are.

    The NFL needs more Suhs and James Harrisons, it is quickly becoming lame. I never thought I would say it but I am getting close to just saying screw football with where the game is headed.

  68. paulcanavati says: Nov 28, 2012 12:43 AM

    Well, whether or not you agree with Goodell, the fact remains that if Suh does even one more questionable thing involving his feet, he’s going to be in a for a little surprise

  69. larryjames836 says: Nov 28, 2012 2:13 AM

    As long as it not a New Orleans Saints player all other teams can do what they want in a game its alright with NFL commissioner Roger Goodell. Anything said about the New Orleans Saints hearsay are not he ready to hand down a suspension on them but its all cool, the Saints are handling it Roger Goodell you are not going to pull the Saints down. They are on they way back Roger Goodell don’t be surprised if you see the New Orleans Saints playing in their own Dome.

  70. ryansn94 says: Nov 28, 2012 5:51 AM

    Tell u what….take away the phantom touchdown run and the muffed punt call that went the texans way and ill call sue a dirty player and say he should be suspended. Its a win win for everyone. But we all know that’s not going to happen is it.

  71. pondbridge says: Nov 28, 2012 6:36 AM

    Suh has shown a pattern of such antics. Rozelle would have him suspended without pay for remainder of this season. But that was then, back when people respected the Commissioner’s office.

  72. drpompanoduke says: Nov 28, 2012 7:35 AM

    Does anybody on this board actually think? If Suh’s foot had struck the ball & caused a fumble, what would be the reaction. 3 offsides penalties since last turkey on Suh. Hardly sounds like the dirtiest player in the league. My point would be to quit listening to talking heads. And as for Matt can’t throw under pressure schauby. How many personal fouls did Brian Cushing get in last 2 years & yet u love him as a teammate. Cheap mouth on QB means Houston never will win the big one.

  73. billsfan1 says: Nov 28, 2012 8:03 AM

    It shows what hypocrites and pansies most people are.

    well written for a 7th grader. I assume when you refer to drooling idiots, you are including yourself into the spectrum as well? League wide, Suh is considered the dirtiest player in the game. Oh, wait, what? yup that was voted on by his peers. When he kicked on the “scrub Packer guard’s” head, he should have been suspended the remainder of the season for that act of POS debauchery. I would assume (because of your ass-tarded defense of this fat POS) that you are a Lions fans and you probably live in Michigan, in the vacinity of Detroit. You’re welcome for the bailout to save your job…

    Now the league will be better off without fans like you

  74. hehateme2 says: Nov 28, 2012 8:32 AM

    Schaub should be given the opportunity to meet with Suh with the press invited.

    Line them up and let Schaub kick him in the nads field goal style. That should settle it.

  75. smilesaustin says: Nov 28, 2012 9:16 AM

    It is absolutely shameful that Suh won’t be suspended, and it’s downright embarrassing that he won’t be fined. There is no true accountability in the NFL today. They will fine and suspend players for unintentional helmet-to-helmet hits and horse-collar tackles (which was a textbook tackle from pee-wee through NFL football until the NFL banned it) but kick a guy in the stones after the play is over and they won’t bother issuing any sort of discipline. Oh yeah, and didn’t Suh get into some more driving-related trouble recently as well?

    Suh is an embarrassment to the NFL, but not as much as Roger Goodell his for his failure to levy consistent and fair discipline. The only right answer here is a minimum of a four-game suspension. Personally, I’d just shut him down for the rest of the year and when he returns next season, the first incident like this will earn him a lifetime ban.

  76. silasw33 says: Nov 28, 2012 9:53 AM

    SUH is dirty I think we all know that. In this instance, just like many others the intent is to do any injury that he can get away with. He plays after the whistle a lot and he knew damm well what he was doing.

    If for nothing else a suspension would send the right message to the fans which is this guy is not going to continue to run roughshod over the integrity of the game.

    Right now it is Suh 17 NFL 0. Make your move Roger.

  77. contract says: Nov 28, 2012 10:01 AM

    Intent doesn’t matter on helmet to helmet hits, so why should it matter with kicks, be they to the man zone or not?

  78. 8to80texansblog says: Nov 28, 2012 10:07 AM

    For ANYONE to claim that Slausens block on Cushing was legal is just asinine!!

    He literally dived at the BACK of Cushings knee. Watch the play again… there is no way that is not a DIRTY DIRTY play.

    I understand the dangers of low blocks, but the Texans do them on a week in week out basis without shredding knees.

  79. WatchThis says: Nov 28, 2012 10:24 AM

    Nah. Suh looks for opportunities to continue breaking up the play as best he can. He’s a guy everyone wants on their line.

  80. paul82461 says: Nov 28, 2012 10:58 AM

    So far 78% of us think SUH kicked Schaub on purpose, its not difficult to see. Good thing he’s not a ref we’d still be waiting for a decision. The verdict is in…guilty. Give this bum the rest of the season off without pay.

  81. zerole00 says: Nov 28, 2012 11:25 AM

    I don’t know about you guys, but I don’t stretch out and stiffen my leg when I fall.

  82. tindeaux says: Nov 28, 2012 11:47 AM

    if you watched the tape, suh did make the extra effort to extend his leg to kick schaub in the balls. It was a much harder thing to do than just simple rolling over.
    Just hope that one day, this suh guy will learn.

  83. watermelon1 says: Nov 28, 2012 12:10 PM

    MAYBE you can’t tell if Suh meant to kick Schaub in the balls. But you can easily tell he meant to kick Schaub.

    Especially if you’re going to try and say that you could tell Ed Reed’s intent on hitting a receiver who was lowering his own head, and was a moving target, unlike a standing-still quarterback.

    Goodell… you and your henchmen can try and “spin it” however you want… but we know you’re full of it. It’s almost as bad as when FOX puts a microphone on that idiot Priera… and he rambles on and on thinking his word is truth.

  84. fmwarner says: Nov 28, 2012 12:20 PM

    I don’t understand why this is so hard to figure out.

    A head shot gets a fine regardless of intent because it’s such a dangerous play with potentially devastating consequences. They are trying to get guys to avoid making that play.

    Intent matters with a kick in the grapes because it’s not as serious a medical issue, and so the intent itself is the offense, not the medical consequences.

  85. macbull says: Dec 1, 2012 6:36 AM

    “Commissioner Roger Goodell said Tuesday night that the league has found it difficult to determine whether Suh intended to kick Schaub in the groin area, according to the Associated Press.”

    Yet Roger Goodell fined Suh $30k for “a kick” he could not determine the “intent” of.

    Will the NFL ever return to days when the officials on the field were in charge?

    Roger Goodell and his crazy ways have made the NFL into a circus league…and it is only going to get worse !

    Time for Roger to go !

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