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Drew Brees: Everyone knows the bounty investigation was a sham

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Saints quarterback Drew Brees is once again ripping the NFL for suspending some of his teammates and coaches for violating the league’s bounty rules.

Brees told Michael Irvin on NFL Network that the bounty discipline, including the yearlong suspension of head coach Sean Payton, hasn’t hurt the Saints’ locker room. In fact, Brees said the Saints are so united in their feeling that they were done wrong by the league office that they’ve become a stronger team.

“If anything it’s just brought us together because I think we’re at a stage now where the public, the fan base, everyone, I think, sees the truth in this,” Brees said. “This process was kind of a sham from the start. We’re being accused of things based on rhetoric, and based on the testimony of some very unreliable people, as opposed to real evidence and real facts.”

Brees has been a consistent critic of NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell for the NFL’s bounty investigation and the resulting discipline. It has to be awkward for Goodell that one of the NFL’s most popular players is using his platform to rip the league.

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  1. sowcrates says: Nov 29, 2012 7:00 AM

    There are a million and one lawyers who would love nothing more than to prove what Drew Brees is claiming and earn an absolute killing off of going after the NFL in court with it.

    I’d be willing to admit that perhaps the severity of the bounty program was overstated and the evidence it entails might include examples that have happened in lots of NFL locker rooms… much in the same way that the impact of Belichick’s filming was limited in its usefulness and not the first time nor the first team to have done it.

    That doesn’t mean that there was no wrong doing. Just like in an actual NFL game, if you’re seen after the whistle, after a scuttle with another player, and then you throw that last punch or shove…you can’t complain that the flag then goes against you.

    Regardless of how bad or unique whatever the Saints were doing was, they were informed to cut it off…then gave that last push after the whistle.

  2. allday297 says: Nov 29, 2012 7:01 AM

    Time for this Prima Donna to shut up. The entire football community knows they were guilty. Entitlement town makes me sick!!!

  3. greglloydrules says: Nov 29, 2012 7:02 AM

    Williams admitted it moron. Would you like another explanation? I used to like you man.

  4. bullcharger says: Nov 29, 2012 7:03 AM

    What is he talking about. There was evidence and facts. He’s just making himself look bad at this point. Suck it up and move on.

  5. rickyspanish says: Nov 29, 2012 7:04 AM

    Ugh, I thought he was done with this. Goodell is a turd, but Brees needs to let this go.

  6. 49erstim says: Nov 29, 2012 7:04 AM

    We’re all trying to put this behind us Drew. In the current climate where your former players and predecessors are suing your company for safety reasons, your current team chose to CONTINUE to run an illegal (not to mention immoral) pay to injure program. The defensive coordinator that ran the aforementioned program CONFESSED. Just take your medicine….and stop talking about Payton… It is starting to sound like a bromance!

  7. gopats23 says: Nov 29, 2012 7:04 AM

    Yes Drew, everyone sees the truth, because we all heard the Gregg Williams tape. Pretty cut and dry.

    Why you continue to claim nothing happened in the face of that evidence just buries your own credibility, which is unfortunate, because you used to be one of the most respected players in the league.

  8. dutchhmaster says: Nov 29, 2012 7:07 AM

    Goodell should suspend him until he decides to stop talking.

  9. giants56 says: Nov 29, 2012 7:08 AM

    Drew is still flabbergasted!

  10. delhommed says: Nov 29, 2012 7:09 AM

    What else is he going to say? He probably ordered the code red!

  11. therealcoltmcb says: Nov 29, 2012 7:10 AM

    I don’t think Drew Brees would be this whiney if his team was at 10-1 right now. He needs to get off his soap box, shut up and play. All he is doing is making excuses on why his team is doing so horribly right now, and it’s not making him look very dignified. If anything, he should have taken a lesson from his coach who very silently took his suspension.

  12. grizzlybear34 says: Nov 29, 2012 7:10 AM

    Drew. Stop talking

  13. jharmon64 says: Nov 29, 2012 7:11 AM

    Brees needs to quit talking about this and play football. I’ve lost a lot of respect for the way he’s handled this.

  14. the1bigbird says: Nov 29, 2012 7:16 AM

    What is a sham is how Drew Breeze was on the executive committie of the players union and orastrates the new CBA then the 1st thing he does is hold out. What a hypocrite.

  15. oaktown49er says: Nov 29, 2012 7:24 AM

    Yes but the Spygate investigation (or lack there of) was even worse, ask Bryan O’Leary

  16. ejmat2 says: Nov 29, 2012 7:27 AM

    No Drew. Everyone does NOT know the investigation was a shame. In fact your own coaches admitted to it. Do you remember the statement, “We take full responsibility”? Did Gregg Williams point his fingers at some of the players that participated?

    All Drew had to do is say, “I’m sorry but I am unaware of any bounty program within the Saint organization”. That’s it. Nothing more, nothing less. Yes he continues to flap his gums when the coaching staff already admitted to the wrong doing.

  17. staugslugga says: Nov 29, 2012 7:29 AM

    If he doesn’t reinforce what he already said while the case is still open in court, then his sworn statement isn’t as valid. So when he is asked a question, he is going to answer it.

    The Greg Williams tape is evidence but the Chiefs “kill the head” isn’t? The 96 pay stuff isn’t?

    It’s a crock, the penalties are a crock, and the head of this investigation needs to be taken down a notch

  18. fuglyflorio says: Nov 29, 2012 7:29 AM

    Maybe he’s just playing to the New Orleans fans. They seem stupid enough to believe that despite confessions of guilt it still didn’t happen.

  19. Patriot42 says: Nov 29, 2012 7:37 AM

    As the players union has gotten stronger they have gotten in their new contract to reduce practice times it seems the level of play has gotten worse and injuries have went up. The owners continue to raise prices for attending the games. The fans will at some point decide they have had enough.

  20. godofwine330 says: Nov 29, 2012 7:37 AM

    “I know what this is…this is a conspiracy. And everyone’s in on it…including her…”

    Damned right it was a sham. I don’t know why. Paying to injure and paying for big plays are two different things and the NFL has shown only enough proof to get you locked up if you live in Texas – which isn’t much at all. Anybody who is on the league’s side in this seriously put yourself in the position of the coach, the players, and say that you would be okay with your suspension with the evidence you have seen and you would be lying.

    People are saying, “Drew, stop talking.” Why? He and his team are still being affected by this. This isn’t over. Just because you are tired of hearing about it doesn’t mean damage isn’t still being done.

  21. rolandg337 says: Nov 29, 2012 7:42 AM

    If it wasn’t done why drew american cheese still talkn bout it.tryin to blame that they suck on the NFL. Play hard r go home. Only thing they missing is they coach . And from wut they say he’s like a coach on the field playing .stop crying and play ball yathey have the same team that they had when the won well cried to get so Wuts the problem str8 garbage .

  22. taconypa says: Nov 29, 2012 7:43 AM

    when they removed the mole/birth mark they took part of his brain as well.

  23. schmokes says: Nov 29, 2012 7:51 AM

    Everyone knows Drew’s passing record last year was a sham as well. Drew stayed in the game and continued to pass late into the 4th quarter when the games were already won, all for the sake of getting a record. Sorry your team sucks this year Drew.

  24. jjb0811 says: Nov 29, 2012 7:51 AM

    King Goodell is losing his fiefdom. Amazing how people don’t like having unproven allegations shoved down their throat.

  25. ccjcsr says: Nov 29, 2012 7:54 AM

    Maybe his 40 mill this year is a scam as well? Saints = Cap hell for years to come

  26. cowboycjn says: Nov 29, 2012 7:57 AM

    Not everybody Drew, look at the idiots in here (haters) that think they know it really happen. Yes, it was a sham and a lot of BS from speculation and “I think this or that happen”. Like anybody else in here wouldn’t keep bringing it up if your team was innocent and got accused of the BS thats been levied against the Saints. But then again thats the only way they could keep Saints from the SB this year. Create a deversion – can’t wait until the other teams get chit on.

  27. oldguardof60s says: Nov 29, 2012 8:03 AM

    This “us vs. the world” mentality is wearing thin on a 5-6 team whose time has come and gone.

  28. opinion157983 says: Nov 29, 2012 8:06 AM

    The way he got half his records is a sham.

  29. sampulls says: Nov 29, 2012 8:08 AM

    I used to like brees….but he is tarnishing his reputation…I am sorry, there is just too much evidence and where there is smoke, there is fire.

  30. 56chevygirl says: Nov 29, 2012 8:09 AM

    I see plenty of you are still drinking the NFL kool aid…The NFL is turning the screws on the arse G.Williams with the threat of never coaching in the NFL again. If the coaches had a Union like the players this would have gone a completely different path for Goodell.

    Once Williams gets cross examined in court and admits that, will you then believe the Saints players? Probably not, because you all are up Goodell’s proven to be inconsistent arse.

  31. aintasinner says: Nov 29, 2012 8:17 AM

    Uh, all of you claiming the Saints admitted there was a bounty program obviously don’t understand why the NFL is still having hearings about this issue. They HAVE NOT proven it existed in the form they claimed it did. Brees is a team leader. If he said nothing, people would claim that must mean the Saints are guilty. If any of you have proof of a Saints bounty program, please turn it over to the NFL because if they had proof, this issue would be done with and Vilma and Smith would be serving suspensions. Since none of you have been in any team meetings and Brees has, I trust he knows more than you know. He has the right and the obligation to defend his teammates. Post your “evidence”, and saying the NFL has it doesn’t count, or quit saying you “know” the Saints are guilty. They may be, but so far, that has not been PROVEN.

  32. pixelito says: Nov 29, 2012 8:17 AM

    No Drew, everyone knows the Saints Superbowl championship was a sham.

  33. sterilizecromartie says: Nov 29, 2012 8:18 AM

    He is 100% correct. It was a massive knee-jerk reaction right from the start by the NFL, media, fans, etc. I remember vividly commenters on this website saying that the offenders were “paid assassins” and should be put in jail. Give me a break.

  34. isphet71 says: Nov 29, 2012 8:18 AM

    Drew needs to be careful using the word “sham.” Even the most diehard Saints fan knows that there was SOME reward system happening there.

    You can argue about how legal (for the NFL’s rules) the reward system was. You can argue that many teams probably do the same sort of thing. But calling the entire investigation a “sham” is a complete misuse of the term.

    The only “sham” is Drew’s public opinion, because even he has to know deep down that the investigation wasn’t completely baseless.

  35. 2difshoe says: Nov 29, 2012 8:19 AM

    At 5-6, maybe everybody but the big guy upstairs. Don’t try to insult the well educated sports fan. Saint, you ain’t, Drew, get a clue !

  36. sb44champs says: Nov 29, 2012 8:21 AM

    All of these internet cowards calling Drew names even though the NFL has based it’s entire case on 2 completely unrealiable witnesses that have every reason in the world to lie to the NFL about the real facts… All Greg Williams did is try to motivate his players in the locker room before games and this is what they have to deal with… And the Saints had the 2nd, count’em, 2nd fewest opponent injuries in the last 3 years of the so-called bounty era and everyones favorite ‘villain’ Vilma had, count-em, 1 whole penalty in that 3 years… Enough said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  37. thejuddstir says: Nov 29, 2012 8:27 AM

    “If anything it’s just brought us together because I think we’re at a stage now where the public, the fan base, everyone, I think, sees the truth in this,” Brees said.
    ————————————————
    The investigation as a whole might not have been perfect but there certainly was enough evidence for a blind man to connect the dots. When Brees talks about the “public not believing it”, I trust he is only talking about the citizens of Louisana. According to the posts, the rest of the “public” overwhelming believes the saints* are guilty and dirty. G. Williams statements on tape, Vilma offering money and the way the saints* kept cheapshotting K. Warner and B. Favre is enough for most people. We thought you had crawled in a whole Brees but you continue to want to shoot off your piehole and as thus you will remain villified by everyone outside the saints* organization.

  38. electionconfidential says: Nov 29, 2012 8:27 AM

    I think he’s way wrong about the “fan base”. Once I heard the Greg Williams audio I knew all I needed to know about the culture of the Saints. Payton never should have let his defensive coordinator instruct his players to cheat and injure opponents and he’s paying for it. Brees needs to shut his entitled pie hole and get back to business.

  39. fwippel says: Nov 29, 2012 8:28 AM

    Yeah, Drew? A sham? If the shoe had been on the other foot in the 2009 NFC Championship game, and you had been hit illegally, and your foot had swollen up like Favre’s did, and there was video of the Viking defensive players celebrating, I’m sure you’d be just fine with that.

    Normally, Brees is a standup guy on and off the field. But the Saints were caught redhanded, he knows it, and he needs to move on.

  40. xxwhodatxx says: Nov 29, 2012 8:31 AM

    Do any of you think he just brings this up out of nowhere? I’m sure he was asked a question and just answered it. If you want him to shut up about it tell the idiots asking about it.

  41. kane337 says: Nov 29, 2012 8:32 AM

    I guess Drew still needs an explanation. The public IS seeing the truth in this but not the way you are. Your teammates and organization screwed up. Now take your medicine and shut up. Your coach has.

  42. 2difshoe says: Nov 29, 2012 8:33 AM

    I’m throwing the challenge flag, please review his brain scan !

  43. thehighhat says: Nov 29, 2012 8:34 AM

    Between the way he acted during the lockout and the way he’s whined about the bounties Brees has really become a villain outside of NO. The man has zero credibility.

  44. lrt79 says: Nov 29, 2012 8:39 AM

    Didn’t Gregg Williams outright admit that he was leading a bounty system?

    Drew, buddy, you’re starting to sound like a deluded and bitter man.

  45. pobreezy says: Nov 29, 2012 8:41 AM

    I didn’t even have to click on this article to know there would be complete and utter ignorance directed at drew brees by the classless and uninformed.
    He got asked a question. He answered it. He was even right in what he was saying. He didn’t send out a sound byte. It was the media spin that condensed an interview into a 2 paragraph simplification of what was said to rile up the hate-bringer mob mentality.
    To respond to the very popular sentiment,
    I, and I’m sure drew as well, are sick of people with no interest, relation or facts weighing in on this subject.
    You have your opinion, as made evident through your anonymous filth spewing, and he has his.
    You have no connection to football operations, ownership, management, etc…
    He is the QB of an NFL team that has been crippled by shaky evidence at best, and has had an entire mouthbreathing populous (you) telling him to stop whining about it.
    Trust me when I say I am even more sick of the whining than you, only my irritation isn’t directed at brees.

  46. mazblast says: Nov 29, 2012 8:42 AM

    Sure, blame Brees for speaking out against this evidence-free vendetta by The Great Roger Goodell Himself Live And In Person.

  47. glynners says: Nov 29, 2012 8:46 AM

    Amazes that people on here think anything released to date classifies as evidnece of a pay for injury scheme. Even the audio tape proves zero towards that.

    Dirty coach telling players to use dirty tricks? yes

    proves pay for injury? Never in a million years

  48. macbull says: Nov 29, 2012 8:52 AM

    Brees is right !

    Roger Goodell’s Bounty investigation is a “sham”…and that is being extremely polite.

    The fact that Brees refuses to be intimidated by Roger Goodell and his boys at the NFL, is a breath of fresh air to those of us who…want the truth!

    Anyone attempting to support Goodell and the NFL, explain how the case just keeps coming apart.

    We now know who the whistleblower was and that he had motive to lie based on how he lost his job with the Saints. Common sense would call for the evidence provided by this whistle blower, to be scrutinized and questioned.

    It does not appear that Goodell and Co. questioned their whistle blower or consider his motives when vetting his evidence.

    I hope that Drew Brees will continue to speak out, as he is one of the best sources of information the public has.

    Sadly, the NFL used poor judgement, pursuing such a weak case and the reputations and careers of players named by the NFL have been damaged.

    The best is yet to come…keep us posted Drew !

  49. threedeep1998 says: Nov 29, 2012 8:57 AM

    This guy is a goon. Nice commercials with One Direction. People in NOLA and your team think it’s a “sham” yet there’s audio and physical evidence out there.

  50. CKL says: Nov 29, 2012 8:59 AM

    I used to think that I wished the Pats players & BB had been vocal about EXACTLY what happened with cameragate to try to shut the morons out there up. No more do I wish that now that I have an example of what it’s like when player keep talking and talking about something their team was punished for. Whether they were right or wrong, it would have come off as whining this far into it. This kind of public position this far into it is for fans and media, not players and coaches. “We’ve put that behind us and we’re moving on”…boring but a great strategy especially if they are not actually dwelling on it anymore.

  51. truthofthefootballbusiness says: Nov 29, 2012 9:02 AM

    I am impressed with so many of these comments. Drew, the defensive coordinator admitted to running the program, the def assistants admitted to the program, and the PLAYERS admitted to the program, where is the sham? You no longer have any credibility, take your 22 million dollars (WAY overpaid), and hush up.

  52. makimaguro says: Nov 29, 2012 9:08 AM

    Man, this guy just won’t shut up. Maybe the Niners should play him again this weekend and sack him like 5-10 more times.

  53. golfnutt67 says: Nov 29, 2012 9:31 AM

    Dude let it rest your team fostered that attitude the comish told you guys to cut it out and you spit on the sheild…………own it tool!

  54. bpd1968 says: Nov 29, 2012 9:35 AM

    if its all a sham how come williams and payton aren’t bitchin

  55. sb44champs says: Nov 29, 2012 9:41 AM

    Do ya’ll really think Drew gives a rats a$$ what internet cowards think?? Do you?? LOL

  56. musicman495 says: Nov 29, 2012 9:42 AM

    Let’s see:

    – “accused of things based on rhetoric” – an audiotape of one pep talk before one game, and a cryptic sentence picked up by a mike during a game, not spoken by the man accused of saying it

    – “based on the testimony of some very unreliable people as opposed to real evidence and real facts” – the word of a disgruntled, fired former employee, and an assistant coach who made his accusations six months after the punishments were handed out, and while he was out of the country and could not be questioned.

    Sounds to me like Brees has it just right.

  57. rgi22 says: Nov 29, 2012 9:48 AM

    Gregg Williams admitted to it and apologized…I’m not sure how this is still a controversy, they’re guilty.

  58. daknight93 says: Nov 29, 2012 9:51 AM

    here comes the godell supporters…nfl fans are really dumb to believe the saints had a pay to injure program/bounty on opposing players…Godell has no evidence of a pay to injure program on the saints and he has used the saints as a scapegoat to offset the historical concussion lawsuits filed against him by former nfl players and Godell wants to tell them, see what I’m doing to the Saints, I am for player safety…It’s a political sham and many nfl fans are too dumb to see this and just venting off hate cause they just don’t like the saints and are hoping this sham is true. Any person with some sense can see right thru Godell…listen up, the Gregg Williams audio is typical talk by defensive coaches as disgusting as it sounds, but players don’t go out there to injure their fellow brothers on the field…Ask Frank Gore of 49ers, he admitted that players don’t take that kind of talk seriously and he saw as a sign of respect. Goodell has no idea and clue how players feel and think because he doesn’t have a relationship with them and it’s sad. Saints only admitted to a pay for performance program which is not a bounty..folks just don’t get it! read the facts and gain knowledge before posting dumb and ridiculous comments. It’s ok that fans hate the saints, but the bottom line is Godell has made a pure mess and if he had any evidence, this case would’ve been closed 8 months ago.

  59. sb44champs says: Nov 29, 2012 9:51 AM

    Tagliabue had to make the opening testimony today, on the same day as the Saints only Thursday night game, so the Saints’ players would not be able to attend and help their council but we’re supposed to believe that this will be a fair process??? This whole proceeding is just window dressing…Yeah, Tags will uphold the suspensions, he represents the NFL in the concussion lawsuits, duh!!!!!!

  60. harrisbarton says: Nov 29, 2012 9:57 AM

    Drew Brees wants an explanation for those two pick-sixes he threw this past Sunday.

  61. unionjack1776 says: Nov 29, 2012 9:58 AM

    The investigation was a sham much in the same way that the Patriots SpyGate investigation was. Think about it – the Saints head coach was suspended for an entire year for allegedly masterminding a bounty system even though the blame fell squarely on the defensive coordinator. On the other hand we have Bill Belichick who purposely cheated, undermining the integrity of the game, and continues to do so today and he was only fined while his team lost a draft pick. To me it should have been Belichick who got the year suspension and possibly a lifetime banishment from the league ala Pete Rose for causing the biggest scandal in professional sports since the White Sox World Series in 1919. There has been indirect evidence of bounty systems existing at various times among many teams throughout NFL history. I fail to see how the Saints system was anymore contemptible than other teams using the same practices. (No, I am not a Saints fan.)

  62. cuda1234 says: Nov 29, 2012 10:05 AM

    The more Brees talks, the less I like him. Just shut up and go back to hogging the ball to put up personal stats on your sorry losing team. I’m rooting for whoever plays the Saints.

  63. jason49er says: Nov 29, 2012 10:06 AM

    He might be worried that more suspensions are going to result after Vilma cashed in on 2 more bounties this weekend on Kyle Williams and Kendall Hunter.

  64. ejmat2 says: Nov 29, 2012 10:13 AM

    cowboycjn says:
    Nov 29, 2012 7:57 AM
    Not everybody Drew, look at the idiots in here (haters) that think they know it really happen. Yes, it was a sham and a lot of BS from speculation and “I think this or that happen”. Like anybody else in here wouldn’t keep bringing it up if your team was innocent and got accused of the BS thats been levied against the Saints. But then again thats the only way they could keep Saints from the SB this year. Create a deversion – can’t wait until the other teams get chit on.
    ——————————————–
    So are you one of the people that tell Viking fans to let it go because they were robbed by the refs in that 2010 NFCCG? Whether a Viking fan or not everyone knows those 4 calls in OT weree all full of crap and the Saints should have lost the ball on the 4th and 1 when Thomas fumbled and regained control behind the first down marker. By your logic those fans should continue bringing it up as well.

    Bottom line, Gregg Williams admitted it. Payton took “full responsibility”. That, coupled with the audio tape is evidence enough it happened. Especially when Williams pointed his own finger at some of the players that participated.

  65. namelessfacelessfan says: Nov 29, 2012 10:18 AM

    You idiots who keep saying Williams and Payton admitted to it, they admitted to a PAY-FOR-PERFORMANCE program not unlike that run in most other NFL locker rooms for many, many years.
    (Go read the Bucky Brooks article on NFL.com that was posted shortly after the bounty story broke. In it he says this occurred on every team he played on and wasn’t uncommon at all. This from one of the NFL’s own network analyst)

    What the Saints were accused of was PAY-FOR-INJURY. No one, not Payton, nor Williams, has EVER admitted to such a program. In fact Williams says in his statement that there was never an intent to injure! That only now, in retrospect, did he realize the program could have led to injuries.

    IF you’re going to cite Williams statement as proof please don’t leave out the parts that you find inconvenient to your narrative. Once again, Williams says in his statement it was pay-for-performance and explicitly denies there was ever an intent to injure. Williams also says he never saw any $10,000 (while Cerullo claims he handed it to Williams).

    Either accept his full statement or dismiss it.
    Don’t cherry pick.

  66. mattspapi says: Nov 29, 2012 10:22 AM

    Turns out Andrew is a lot more like his mother than he would admit.
    She was a cheater politician too.

  67. monkeesfan says: Nov 29, 2012 10:22 AM

    The bottom line is people who want to defend Roger Goodell are using a false premise – “Gregg Williams admitted it.” No, he didn’t. There was the first credibility problem Goodell has.

    The second is when he had to present actual evidence, Goodell had none – just accusations, and Williams’ “admission” proved nothing because it was not fact. People immediately could see through Goodell’s sham.

    Thirdly, Goodell’s sham had its template in the smear of Bill Belichick for “Spygate.” The fact Belichick was indeed well within his rights under the league’s rulebook and constitution to tape from sidelines got lost in the Media’s complicity in the smear. Goodell had committed to a vast lie against Belichick and he did it again with the Saints.

    So saying “Williams admitted it” is perpetuating a lie.

  68. starderup says: Nov 29, 2012 10:26 AM

    The Stains are lucky I didn’t hand out the punishment. Every player involved would have been banned for life, and the bagheads would have forfeited the first four games of the season.
    That trophy would have come back, too, since it was also won through cheating.

  69. namelessfacelessfan says: Nov 29, 2012 10:26 AM

    Also, in regards to the Williams audio tape:

    When Giants players said they wanted to ‘test’ the already concussed head of 49er Kyle Williams the league looked into it and said that nothing unsorted took place on the field. That there was a disconnect between what was said and what was done. And, because of that, the NFL saw no issue.

    Well, Williams comments from the 49ers game are no different. Did any of what he said take place on the field? No. Were there are serious 49er injuries in that game? No. Were there any accusations by 49er players after the game? No. WAS THERE EVEN A SINGLE PENALTY CALLED ON THE SAINTS IN THAT GAME? NO!
    As the league itself put it, there was a disconnect between what was SAID and what was actually DONE.

    Williams in long known for that fiery, over-the-top rhetoric.

  70. dryzzt23 says: Nov 29, 2012 10:29 AM

    Will Brees ever shut up? The fact that he is STILL complaining means that there is some substance to the NFL claims IMO.

    I was a Brees fan – no more
    I liked the Saints – no more

  71. dadindebt6 says: Nov 29, 2012 10:31 AM

    Don’t forget that Goodell has said (and the judge in court has agreed) that one aspect of a ‘bounty’ is that players were paid when they caused another player to have to leave the field with an injury. This is not as bad as trying to intentionally hurt a player, but being rewarded when you unintentionally hurt them is still a ‘bounty.’
    All the coaches and and all four players have admitted to doing this through the ‘cartoffs’ part of the pay for performance program.

  72. ambitoos says: Nov 29, 2012 10:39 AM

    Your right Drew, it was a sham. Goodell has done more harm to the game than any players or coaches have done. I wish he would quit screwing with the game.

  73. lolo376 says: Nov 29, 2012 10:42 AM

    Colts new coach is out with cancer and can still win games with a rookie QB! Other teams have lost starters in both sides and can still win games! Breed needs to shut up and perform, he got the contract he wanted, now he needs to just shhhhhhhh and play!

  74. cwwgk says: Nov 29, 2012 10:45 AM

    A sham? No objective evidence? Please. One needs to look no further than Jonathan Vilma himself. Under oath, in a federal courtroom, he admitted to the the league’s allegations. The Honorable Ginger Berrigan made this conclusion:

    “it seems to me that there is a confluence here that what Mr. Goodell says Mr. Vilma did was in effect admitted at the hearing a couple weeks ago.”

  75. sdisme says: Nov 29, 2012 10:46 AM

    “dadindebt6 says: Nov 29, 2012 10:31 AM

    being rewarded when you unintentionally hurt them is still a ‘bounty”
    ______________________________
    Not according to Roger Goodell’s definition of bounties at the owners meeting in March or on the Radio with Adam Schein & Jim Miller the Wednesday before the draft.

  76. infectorman says: Nov 29, 2012 10:46 AM

    namelessfacelessfan says:

    You idiots who keep saying Williams and Payton admitted to it, they admitted to a PAY-FOR-PERFORMANCE program not unlike that run in most other NFL locker rooms for many, many years.
    _______________

    “Cart-off” = injury
    Was “cart-off” part of the Pay-for-performance code used by the Saints?

    If so, then the program implies that Injury’s are reward worthy.
    Therefore, it was a Pay for Injury program.

    All of you Saints apologists keep splittin the atom with your semantics, but in the end, if you reward a player for a “Cart-off” then you are rewarding a player for injuring another.

    Regardless, I still don’t see a clear advantage gained by the program in competition with other teams.

    Part of their punishment is for continuing to defy the NFL, just like Belichick .

    Players try to injure other players all of the time, whether there is intent or not is largely in-provable immaterial
    So I place no asterisk next to their SB victory.

  77. pixelito says: Nov 29, 2012 10:56 AM

    Everyone knows OJ is innocent…

  78. dr45acp says: Nov 29, 2012 11:07 AM

    Still haven’t seen 1 shred of evidence…Gregg Williams testified to save his butt….so why hasn’t the NFL showed any of the 50k pages of “evidence” ? Lotsa haters out there…I’m a Saints fan,but I would want to see the evidence if any other team was being railroaded like the Saints have….

  79. raidafan7 says: Nov 29, 2012 11:28 AM

    For a topic that has been on this site since March, I can’t believe how uneducated some of these posters are. The only person ever to admit to anyone paying to injure anyone is Cerullo. Every other person admitted to a pay for performance program. These programs are VERY common in the NFL. They were a staple in every Greg Williams system (Buffalo,Washington,Tenn). If you were caught speeding and were sentenced to a felony you would probably fight it also. Even if you were given a warning and were caught speeding again it still doesn’t justify a year in jail.

  80. justintuckrule says: Nov 29, 2012 11:38 AM

    I love it that Brees continues to expose Goodell for the dopey, arbitrary commish that he is. Best part about it is that Brees is a face of the NFL and Goodell is powerless to suspend him for anything or it will simply come off as vindiction.

    This situation reminds me of Gladiator when Joaquin Phoenix was powerless to simply execute Russell Crowe.

  81. cowboycjn says: Nov 29, 2012 12:02 PM

    ejmat2 says:Nov 29, 2012 10:13 AM
    So are you one of the people that tell Viking fans to let it go because they were robbed by the refs in that 2010 NFCCG? Whether a Viking fan or not everyone knows those 4 calls in OT weree all full of crap and the Saints should have lost the ball on the 4th and 1 when Thomas fumbled and regained control behind the first down marker. By your logic those fans should continue bringing it up as well.

    Bottom line, Gregg Williams admitted it. Payton took “full responsibility”. That, coupled with the audio tape is evidence enough it happened. Especially when Williams pointed his own finger at some of the players that participated.
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    And just what kind of people are you????? One of those that has an opinion that the refs gave the game because your team wasn’t good enough to beat the Saints. (Makes for a good excuse) Oh we paid the refs for those calls; that’s how it happens. Really we have a voo-doo doll dressed like a ref and if we want certain calls to go our way we stick a pin in their heart and the real refs on the field change their mind in our favor.
    Lets see what happens in the talks today about Vilma and then make you new OPINION known to us. (not that we care)
    And as for us bringing it up, hey dude didn’t YOU just bring it up again about poor Vikes getting cheated.
    Seems the mouth overloads the rear end because they have never stopped crying yet – so go on and preach.

  82. asseenonokra says: Nov 29, 2012 12:15 PM

    I wish someone would point me towards the confessions of guilt everyone keeps talking about. Please don’t give me your versions of what happened…

  83. bathroomben7 says: Nov 29, 2012 12:43 PM

    I can’t believe I actually used to like Drew Brees. Between his conduct during the lockout and his contract issue and this whole deal I think it’s clear he’s a greedy and very dishonest person. I am very disappointed in what we’ve all found out about him. I mean, seriously anyone with half a brain can see the Saints were guilty but yet he continues to do the Clemens/Armstrong deny, deny, deny strategy? It’s just so shameless.

  84. steveny5 says: Nov 29, 2012 1:14 PM

    Drew is the man – who dat!

  85. hor2012 says: Nov 29, 2012 1:20 PM

    Let’s try this again. No one, and I mean no one in the Saints organization admitted to a bounty program. The NFL, yes the same NFL that you closed minded idoits are hell bent on defending acknowledged that not only were they aware of things like this going on twenty years and they willingly allowed it to continue. And, hell no we’re not going to let it go. You dumb people who said that if the Saints were 10 and 1 right now Drew would be making a issue out of this sound stupid. The point is we’re not 10 and 1 and we probably would be if Goodel and crew hadn’t destroyed us before the season started. And, I’m getting tired of all you standing on your soap box of morality saying that they saints should just take the punishment. You know that if it was your team that had the injustice done, and that’s right, I used the word injustice, you wouldn’t let it go either.

  86. Mr. Wright 212 says: Nov 29, 2012 2:41 PM

    My hate for Drew Brees increases every time he opens his mouth…

  87. pongonfl says: Nov 29, 2012 3:00 PM

    LOL
    surprisingly conspiracy’s are hard to prove.
    It is also hard to rebuild a reputation that you squander with such language. But it is Drew’s reputation to do with as he pleases.

  88. coltzfan166 says: Nov 29, 2012 3:30 PM

    God I can’t stand this guy.

  89. ilovefoolsball says: Nov 29, 2012 3:57 PM

    Well I see all of the “Faithful Followers of Goodell” with their mindless rants have learned how to use the thumbs down button.
    Everything that Drew says is correct, whether you choose to admit it or not.
    There is a very large group of intelligent, fair minded individuals who do not comment on blog posts that can see this for what it is:
    A big corporation’s attempt to do damage control by creating a sacrificial lamb.
    In the process they have tarnished reputations and wasted years of men’s careers.

    I sincerely do hope that Goodell suffers from this. I know he’ll always be a rich man but maybe he can just get a little more egg on that face of his before this is over and done with.

  90. jonny42671 says: Nov 29, 2012 4:00 PM

    Everyone knows the Vikes got cheated and were the better team. Look at the stats and watch the game. Vikings deserved it. But it’s football and all that matters is the final score. You will always have your Superbowl , but we all know its Tainted, that’s why Bree’s keeps crying. I’m sure the NFL has proof that Payton’s buddy pd off a referee or 2, but there is no way they will let that get out, so they just decided to bust the Saints for their in house cheating. Your Superbowl will never be respected!!!

  91. mnvikes7897 says: Nov 29, 2012 6:42 PM

    And even more so this is why I can’t stand you and and anyone in that uniform because you’re all a bunch of bum, liars, cheaters, and no good. Throw for a million miles and break every record and I’ll still wipe with your jersey and throw it in the trash because my toilet is too good for it.

  92. vegasvinnie says: Nov 29, 2012 8:02 PM

    Everyone knows the Vikes got cheated and were the better team. Look at the stats and watch the game. Vikings deserved it. But it’s football and all that matters is the final score. You will always have your Superbowl , but we all know its Tainted, that’s why Bree’s keeps crying. I’m sure the NFL has proof that Payton’s buddy pd off a referee or 2, but there is no way they will let that get out, so they just decided to bust the Saints for their in house cheating. Your Superbowl will never be respected!!!

    ====================================

    The better team doesn’t give away 5 turnovers while only causing one.

    The better team doesn’t give away two of those turnovers in the opposing team’s red zone, costing themselves valuable points.

    The better team doesn’t cost themselves 5 crucial yards on a 12 men in the huddle penalty. Especially coming out of a timeout.

    The better team doesn’t have a QB that throws completely across his body when he can easily run for a few extra yards to guarantee a game winning FG attempt.

    You can pretend to disrespect the SB 44 trophy all that you like. Us Saints fans will only enjoy it and appreciate it more with each Vikings’ fan’s tears.

  93. jonny42671 says: Nov 29, 2012 9:39 PM

    Keep telling yourself that. Eventually you will actually believe it.

  94. omniusprime says: Nov 30, 2012 9:24 AM

    Drew Brees is the sham and his team perpetrated the bountygate scam, how else does the most worthless team in the NFL historically all of a sudden win a Super Bowl? Sorry but bountygate does explain how the ‘Aints started winning, by cheating of course. I’m glad this team of cheaters was busted and they deserve all the punishment already leveled at them and then some.

  95. bangitfootball says: Nov 30, 2012 6:07 PM

    PS great game last night Drew lol.

  96. 8819firefighter says: Nov 30, 2012 11:04 PM

    Everyone knows the bounty investigation was a sham just like everyone knows that President Obama wasn’t born in the USA.

  97. rabbdogg says: Dec 1, 2012 1:21 AM

    why do u vikings fans keep saying look at the stats…the vikings where some how the better team…are we talking about just that one game or the whole season? because the saints had the better offense ALL year and created a lot of turnovers on defense…if we are just talking about that one game, then how do u look at lets say the vikings total yardage on offense but ignore the 5 fumbles and favres infamous int? oh and please dont say the viking gave the game away, because that’s what the saints defense did ALL year..”create” take aways….oh and fire goodell!..this whole thing IS A SHAM!

  98. lambeaufieldwest says: Dec 1, 2012 4:31 AM

    When is Brees going to get fined for “disrespecting the shield.” Goodell fines players for perfectly legal blocks, for tauting, etc.. Agree or disagree with bounty issue, Brees has been mouthing off for months without consequence.

  99. monkeesfan says: Dec 1, 2012 12:06 PM

    rabbdogg – The Vikingsgot the ball bac ie 28-28 and were drivin ito field goal rage when Brett Favre threw the game away as he regularly did come playoff time. As good as the Saints were, they were goners until that interception.

    lambeaufieldwest – because Brees is not the one disrespecting the shield. Roger Goodell is the one, from Spygate onward.

  100. monkeesfan says: Dec 1, 2012 12:07 PM

    The owners need to remove Goodell from office and give back all the fine monies.

  101. bgrab1 says: Dec 1, 2012 8:08 PM

    Cant wait for this Bounty gate fabricated BS to be exposed as the sham it is in court. The NFL tried to make the Saints a scapegoat for something the whole league does :Pay per performance, so it would look like they were strict about game violence in the pending concussion lawsuits. This is the bottom line to the truth on this whole matter. The smoke and mirrors will stop when on a real witness stand in a court of law.

  102. ejmat2 says: Dec 4, 2012 1:20 PM

    Though I am not a Goodell fan at all, I still can’t believe the people saying this is a sham. Gregg Williams, the Defensive Coordinator admitted to it and it was also found he had that type of program on other teams as well. He pointed his fingers at a couple of his own players saying they participated in it. The Head Coach Sean Payton said, and I quote, ” I take full responsibility…” for what happened. How do you take these two facts and say it was a sham? Now, whether or not this turns out to be substantiated at the hearings is a different story. Just because it’s not proven doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. OJ Simpson anyone?

  103. ejmat2 says: Dec 4, 2012 1:25 PM

    rabbdogg says:
    Dec 1, 2012 1:21 AM
    why do u vikings fans keep saying look at the stats…the vikings where some how the better team…are we talking about just that one game or the whole season? because the saints had the better offense ALL year and created a lot of turnovers on defense…
    ————————————–
    Actually, the Vikings offense scored the same amount of points as the Saints offense. The difference in points were because of the turnovers. You can take it one step further. The Vikings offense usually had to go more yards to score than the Saints. Now if you want to say the Saints had the better defense, I agree. Better offense, not so much. Better all around team, Saints win. However, the Vikings did outplay the Saints on the day of the NFCCG. They also outplayed themselves by shooting themselves in the foot with the turnovers. Saints also had a lot of help moving the ball in OT with the phantom calls to kick the winning FG.

  104. pizzon says: Dec 4, 2012 5:48 PM

    I for one have never bought into all the evidence that supposedly exists, because I always thought it was nothing more than opinion and hearsay, but honestly this needs to go away the season is about over and were still talking about it. Goodell is a clown and a hypocrite thats abundantly clear now lets move on.

  105. gavriloprincip33 says: Dec 5, 2012 7:37 AM

    I don’t think much of the so called “evidence” either but here is what I am basing my judgment on:

    – GM accepted it and apologized.

    – HC accepted it and apologized.

    – Owner accepted a $500K fine.

    If it was all a sham then why would those three just accept what happened without so much as a word between them?

    And please don’t try to tell me that Loomis and Payton were worried about future employment in the NFL. If they knew that the players were innocent then why would they simply throw them under the bus? Lack of integrity or intestinal fortitude?

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