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	<title>Comments on: Bucs tried to blow up Peyton&#8217;s victory formation</title>
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		<title>By: justanotherdummy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[justanotherdummy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 22:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tundey, Brett F didn&#039;t throw the 4th and 26 pass. Donovan McNabb did, completing it to FredEx against the Packers in the playoffs. Favre threw the popup into the center of the field that Dawkins intercepted, leading to the game winning fg.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tundey, Brett F didn&#8217;t throw the 4th and 26 pass. Donovan McNabb did, completing it to FredEx against the Packers in the playoffs. Favre threw the popup into the center of the field that Dawkins intercepted, leading to the game winning fg.</p>
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		<title>By: kc80503</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kc80503]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 20:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Play EVERY play to win?  In the last friggin minute when you&#039;re down by a TD, no timeouts, and your chances of causing and recovering a fumble are as good as winning the lottery?  Gimme a break...it&#039;s nothing but some last minute theatrics by a chump coach to get in some last minute cheap shots because he didn&#039;t play well enough to win the rest of the game.  But hey, if there&#039;s still enough time to cripple somebody, then go for it, right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Play EVERY play to win?  In the last friggin minute when you&#8217;re down by a TD, no timeouts, and your chances of causing and recovering a fumble are as good as winning the lottery?  Gimme a break&#8230;it&#8217;s nothing but some last minute theatrics by a chump coach to get in some last minute cheap shots because he didn&#8217;t play well enough to win the rest of the game.  But hey, if there&#8217;s still enough time to cripple somebody, then go for it, right?</p>
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		<title>By: jjbadd385</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jjbadd385]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2012 14:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If Someone has mentioned this, and I didnt see it, Im sorry. But many years ago, I remember Dan Marino and the Dolphins ran up to the line as if they were going to spike the ball to stop the clock, but instead, proceeded to throw a TD pass while everyone was off guard. The next few days everyone was saying &quot;you have to play every play to win&quot;, blah blah blah..... same principle here, you may catch the other team off guard. So I agree, play EVERY play to win...no exceptions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Someone has mentioned this, and I didnt see it, Im sorry. But many years ago, I remember Dan Marino and the Dolphins ran up to the line as if they were going to spike the ball to stop the clock, but instead, proceeded to throw a TD pass while everyone was off guard. The next few days everyone was saying &#8220;you have to play every play to win&#8221;, blah blah blah&#8230;.. same principle here, you may catch the other team off guard. So I agree, play EVERY play to win&#8230;no exceptions.</p>
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		<title>By: mwindle1973</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mwindle1973]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2012 06:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[See the problem is that a lot of people seeming to think this is alright, also seem to think that you could actually cause a TO and get the ball back this way.  It&#039;s not possible.  If I&#039;m the head coach of the winning team, I&#039;m sending out my back up QB for the victory formation]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See the problem is that a lot of people seeming to think this is alright, also seem to think that you could actually cause a TO and get the ball back this way.  It&#8217;s not possible.  If I&#8217;m the head coach of the winning team, I&#8217;m sending out my back up QB for the victory formation</p>
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		<title>By: averien</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[averien]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2012 02:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the last 70 years of football at the collegiate and professional level, there have been exactly 0 instances of crashing the line resulting in a win.  There have been exactly 4 turnovers, 3 of which came when a team was down by more than 1 score and had literally 0 chance of winning, because there was not enough time on the clock to physically run enough plays to tie, let alone win.  Just as part of sportsmanship is winning with grace, part of sportsmanship is losing with it.  Crashing the victory formation will not result in a win.  It never has.  It creates no statistical advantage, or probability toward that effect.  It *has* resulted in injuries at the collegiate level, where coaches frankly don&#039;t have as much invested in player safety as they do in the NFL.  This, out of thousands of tries, most at the low-tier collegiate level-- not just NCAA, all colleges.  To claim it gives your team a chance is clearly false, and the risk/reward to your *OWN* team shows that, even if he is actually trying to win, his judgment is so poor that one must question his leadership.  He is risking the safety of his players (every collision risks concussion at the least), for a tactic that has never, in the history of the game at a post-high school level, worked (I am unaware of a high school game resulting in victory from this, but high school is played with substantially less disciplined, less talented players than the college or high school level, and flukes are more likely to happen).  Giving him the benefit of the ethical doubt-- that he is merely incompetent and not a bully-- results in a far more grim outlook for the Bucs, and frankly not much better result for the game as a whole.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the last 70 years of football at the collegiate and professional level, there have been exactly 0 instances of crashing the line resulting in a win.  There have been exactly 4 turnovers, 3 of which came when a team was down by more than 1 score and had literally 0 chance of winning, because there was not enough time on the clock to physically run enough plays to tie, let alone win.  Just as part of sportsmanship is winning with grace, part of sportsmanship is losing with it.  Crashing the victory formation will not result in a win.  It never has.  It creates no statistical advantage, or probability toward that effect.  It *has* resulted in injuries at the collegiate level, where coaches frankly don&#8217;t have as much invested in player safety as they do in the NFL.  This, out of thousands of tries, most at the low-tier collegiate level&#8211; not just NCAA, all colleges.  To claim it gives your team a chance is clearly false, and the risk/reward to your *OWN* team shows that, even if he is actually trying to win, his judgment is so poor that one must question his leadership.  He is risking the safety of his players (every collision risks concussion at the least), for a tactic that has never, in the history of the game at a post-high school level, worked (I am unaware of a high school game resulting in victory from this, but high school is played with substantially less disciplined, less talented players than the college or high school level, and flukes are more likely to happen).  Giving him the benefit of the ethical doubt&#8211; that he is merely incompetent and not a bully&#8211; results in a far more grim outlook for the Bucs, and frankly not much better result for the game as a whole.</p>
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		<title>By: cow395</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cow395]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 16:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[so simple if their is still time on  the clock, you play.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so simple if their is still time on  the clock, you play&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: bk9876</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bk9876]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 15:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mike &quot;I wear a skirt&quot; Silver must want the NFL to stop tackling too because a &quot;Manning&quot; could get hurt!  This article is a prime example why real NFL fans are starting to say...when did my sport turn into flag football?  We already have enough rules to control the once gladiator like sport.  

For the record, Schiano only does this when appropriate (8 points or less).  The opposing team KNOWS its coming....its THIER job to prepare for it...and that would include the oh holy one Peyton Manning and Tom &quot;I got caught with my pants down&quot; Coughlin since I didnt prep my team properly.  I dont recall Peyton complaining about it after the game....oh thats right he is old school and knows the game is played until 0:00 is on the clock.  

I vote YES! to this victory formation attack and Hard nosed football.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike &#8220;I wear a skirt&#8221; Silver must want the NFL to stop tackling too because a &#8220;Manning&#8221; could get hurt!  This article is a prime example why real NFL fans are starting to say&#8230;when did my sport turn into flag football?  We already have enough rules to control the once gladiator like sport.  </p>
<p>For the record, Schiano only does this when appropriate (8 points or less).  The opposing team KNOWS its coming&#8230;.its THIER job to prepare for it&#8230;and that would include the oh holy one Peyton Manning and Tom &#8220;I got caught with my pants down&#8221; Coughlin since I didnt prep my team properly.  I dont recall Peyton complaining about it after the game&#8230;.oh thats right he is old school and knows the game is played until 0:00 is on the clock.  </p>
<p>I vote YES! to this victory formation attack and Hard nosed football.</p>
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		<title>By: mayhemmatt300</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 05:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What Schiano continues to do is trashy and classless. If you say otherwise, you&#039;re an idiot. It&#039;s absolutely ridiculous to go against the longstanding grain of the victory formation. Only Bucs fans and Manning haters would be dumb enough to agree with this. The victory formation in employed when the opposing team can no longer stop the clock and has no chance of victory. SORE LOSERS]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Schiano continues to do is trashy and classless. If you say otherwise, you&#8217;re an idiot. It&#8217;s absolutely ridiculous to go against the longstanding grain of the victory formation. Only Bucs fans and Manning haters would be dumb enough to agree with this. The victory formation in employed when the opposing team can no longer stop the clock and has no chance of victory. SORE LOSERS</p>
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		<title>By: essentialsausage</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[essentialsausage]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 23:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“Voting yes, Greg Schiano and a few thousand blindly loyal Bucs fans.  Voting no, everyone else on earth. The nays have it.”
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I&#039;m not a Buccaneers fan (I think calling them the &quot;Bucs&quot; is dumb), but I totally agree with what Schiano is doing!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Voting yes, Greg Schiano and a few thousand blindly loyal Bucs fans.  Voting no, everyone else on earth. The nays have it.”<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
I&#8217;m not a Buccaneers fan (I think calling them the &#8220;Bucs&#8221; is dumb), but I totally agree with what Schiano is doing!</p>
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		<title>By: turtlehut</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[turtlehut]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 19:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As Tuesday Morning Quarterback noted in September, though Schiano claims that attacking a victory formation worked for him at Rutgers, this tactic never resulted in a turnover, let alone a Rutgers victory. Schiano simply isn&#039;t telling the truth about his unsportsmanlike tactic. Why does the city of Tampa want to be represented by a little bully who breaks a sportsmanship standard observed by everyone else in football?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Tuesday Morning Quarterback noted in September, though Schiano claims that attacking a victory formation worked for him at Rutgers, this tactic never resulted in a turnover, let alone a Rutgers victory. Schiano simply isn&#8217;t telling the truth about his unsportsmanlike tactic. Why does the city of Tampa want to be represented by a little bully who breaks a sportsmanship standard observed by everyone else in football?</p>
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		<title>By: raysfaninsrq</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[raysfaninsrq]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 15:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;onebucplace says:
Dec 3, 2012 2:53 PM
As a Bucs fan I am concerned they were still doing this on Monday.&quot;

Me too, did they decide that 60 minutes wasn&#039;t enough that they needed to play for another 12 hours...  c&#039;mon people who thumbed down this post... &quot;that&#039;s funny right there, that&#039;s what that is&quot;

I also am a Bucs fan, but have to tell you that I am extremely distressed, not for trying to defeat the V formation, but for abso-f&#039;ing-lutely poor clock management by Schiano.  For two games in a row he failed to take advantage of the clock and his timeouts.  Had he called timeout BEFORE the two minute warning against Atlanta, they would have got the ball back w/ 40 + seconds instead of 12 at the end of the game and given what the did the week before against Carolina, and needing ONLY a FG to win, could have beat the Falcons.  Then against the Broncos he did not use the 1:45 and 3 TO&#039;s he had before the half to try to score.  C&#039;mon Coach, you&#039;re rationalization for blowing up the V-formation is to ensure you take advantage of every second on the clock when there&#039;s even .7% chance (saw that on here somewhere, and that&#039;s better than 0%).  Then take advantage of the clock when you have it to use and take a lesson in clock management.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;onebucplace says:<br />
Dec 3, 2012 2:53 PM<br />
As a Bucs fan I am concerned they were still doing this on Monday.&#8221;</p>
<p>Me too, did they decide that 60 minutes wasn&#8217;t enough that they needed to play for another 12 hours&#8230;  c&#8217;mon people who thumbed down this post&#8230; &#8220;that&#8217;s funny right there, that&#8217;s what that is&#8221;</p>
<p>I also am a Bucs fan, but have to tell you that I am extremely distressed, not for trying to defeat the V formation, but for abso-f&#8217;ing-lutely poor clock management by Schiano.  For two games in a row he failed to take advantage of the clock and his timeouts.  Had he called timeout BEFORE the two minute warning against Atlanta, they would have got the ball back w/ 40 + seconds instead of 12 at the end of the game and given what the did the week before against Carolina, and needing ONLY a FG to win, could have beat the Falcons.  Then against the Broncos he did not use the 1:45 and 3 TO&#8217;s he had before the half to try to score.  C&#8217;mon Coach, you&#8217;re rationalization for blowing up the V-formation is to ensure you take advantage of every second on the clock when there&#8217;s even .7% chance (saw that on here somewhere, and that&#8217;s better than 0%).  Then take advantage of the clock when you have it to use and take a lesson in clock management.</p>
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		<title>By: CKL</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CKL]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 14:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lovie Smith&#039;s Bears did this to the Panthers in their playoff game in Jan 06. Never heard one word of media outrage over it. Maybe it&#039;s because the Panthers never whined about it to begin with. Or maybe it&#039;s because Lovie is considered classy, much like Dungy who also &quot;ran up the score&quot; against my team back in 05 with no media outcry. If you are a maverick and/or tough minded HC though, everyone in namby pamby land whines about it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lovie Smith&#8217;s Bears did this to the Panthers in their playoff game in Jan 06. Never heard one word of media outrage over it. Maybe it&#8217;s because the Panthers never whined about it to begin with. Or maybe it&#8217;s because Lovie is considered classy, much like Dungy who also &#8220;ran up the score&#8221; against my team back in 05 with no media outcry. If you are a maverick and/or tough minded HC though, everyone in namby pamby land whines about it.</p>
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		<title>By: dontgooffwondering</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dontgooffwondering]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 05:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If it’s so “disconcerting” to put Peyton Manning in harms way, then why not put the backup QB out there to take the kneel-downs when you know exactly what Schiano is planning?

Better yet, why not put the backup QB out there to play the entire game? That way, there’s no risk that Manning will get hurt at all! After all, you don’t get the “fine china” out for every meal, right? You only get it out for special occasions, like the Super Bowl.

Or, perhaps Silver can descend down from the summit of Mt. Pious and stop treating Peyton Manning like some sort of demi-god for whom defenses should bow down to.

He’s a player like everyone else who plays the game and he is subject to the same risks that every other player is subject to. Neck surgeries or not, he has been cleared to play and no matter how prestigious his career has been that does not mean defenses shouldn’t sack him, blindside him or in extreme circumstances, go after the ball in a victory formation.

If its within the rules, it’s perfectly fine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it’s so “disconcerting” to put Peyton Manning in harms way, then why not put the backup QB out there to take the kneel-downs when you know exactly what Schiano is planning?</p>
<p>Better yet, why not put the backup QB out there to play the entire game? That way, there’s no risk that Manning will get hurt at all! After all, you don’t get the “fine china” out for every meal, right? You only get it out for special occasions, like the Super Bowl.</p>
<p>Or, perhaps Silver can descend down from the summit of Mt. Pious and stop treating Peyton Manning like some sort of demi-god for whom defenses should bow down to.</p>
<p>He’s a player like everyone else who plays the game and he is subject to the same risks that every other player is subject to. Neck surgeries or not, he has been cleared to play and no matter how prestigious his career has been that does not mean defenses shouldn’t sack him, blindside him or in extreme circumstances, go after the ball in a victory formation.</p>
<p>If its within the rules, it’s perfectly fine.</p>
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		<title>By: dannybuggs</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dannybuggs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 03:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I keep making this point, and Florio or someone keeps deleting my post, so I&#039;ll try again:  Schiano&#039;s strategy of trying to blow up the Victory formation NEVER WORKED IN COLLEGE.  NOT ONCE.  The only time Rutgers ever recovered a fumble was when they jumped offsides against West Virginia.  Congratulations, Rutgers.  You jumped ahead of the snap and knocked the ball out of the quarterback&#039;s hand. Wonderful.  

History suggests there is about a zero percent chance of Schiano&#039;s strategy working.  As proof, I offer the fact that no one I have seen has ever identified one instance in which a team employing Schiano&#039;s strategy has actually recovered the ball.  

Say what you will about whether it&#039;s just good tough football or bad sportsportsmanship, but the fact is that as a strategy to win games, it&#039; worthless.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I keep making this point, and Florio or someone keeps deleting my post, so I&#8217;ll try again:  Schiano&#8217;s strategy of trying to blow up the Victory formation NEVER WORKED IN COLLEGE.  NOT ONCE.  The only time Rutgers ever recovered a fumble was when they jumped offsides against West Virginia.  Congratulations, Rutgers.  You jumped ahead of the snap and knocked the ball out of the quarterback&#8217;s hand. Wonderful.  </p>
<p>History suggests there is about a zero percent chance of Schiano&#8217;s strategy working.  As proof, I offer the fact that no one I have seen has ever identified one instance in which a team employing Schiano&#8217;s strategy has actually recovered the ball.  </p>
<p>Say what you will about whether it&#8217;s just good tough football or bad sportsportsmanship, but the fact is that as a strategy to win games, it&#8217; worthless.</p>
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		<title>By: ryanmac44</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 02:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think Manning should have dropped back and fired a pass at Schiano’s head on the sideline.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Manning should have dropped back and fired a pass at Schiano’s head on the sideline.</p>
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		<title>By: kinguga</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/03/bucs-try-to-blow-up-peytons-victory-formation/#comment-2155872</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 02:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Schiano would slit his granny&#039;s throat for a nickel, but the Bucs are 6-6 and in big trouble. They&#039;re youngry again. Who cares?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Schiano would slit his granny&#8217;s throat for a nickel, but the Bucs are 6-6 and in big trouble. They&#8217;re youngry again. Who cares?</p>
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		<title>By: therealhazer</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/03/bucs-try-to-blow-up-peytons-victory-formation/#comment-2155864</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[therealhazer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 02:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Play until the final whistle. Period.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Play until the final whistle. Period.</p>
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		<title>By: kalib933</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/03/bucs-try-to-blow-up-peytons-victory-formation/#comment-2155802</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kalib933]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 01:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In Schiano&#039;s coaching career he has has his teams force 4 fumbles with this play and recovered two of them. How is that not proof enough that this is a legitimate strategy and not classless? One could argue that icing a kicker is cheap and classless as well. But it is a strategy that works. Everyone needs to find more important things to be upset about. No one has ever been hurt during this play and they won&#039;t be anytime soon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Schiano&#8217;s coaching career he has has his teams force 4 fumbles with this play and recovered two of them. How is that not proof enough that this is a legitimate strategy and not classless? One could argue that icing a kicker is cheap and classless as well. But it is a strategy that works. Everyone needs to find more important things to be upset about. No one has ever been hurt during this play and they won&#8217;t be anytime soon.</p>
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		<title>By: TheDPR</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/03/bucs-try-to-blow-up-peytons-victory-formation/#comment-2155738</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TheDPR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 00:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the rules the CFL has that&#039;s better than the NFL: must run a play...no kneeldowns.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the rules the CFL has that&#8217;s better than the NFL: must run a play&#8230;no kneeldowns.</p>
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		<title>By: onebucplace</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/03/bucs-try-to-blow-up-peytons-victory-formation/#comment-2155667</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[onebucplace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 00:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If a team that was going to kneel down instead runs a play then fantastic -- the Bucs have more than done their job since they&#039;ve forced the other team to change the way they&#039;d normally play which is how mistakes happen. If Payton at the end of the game pulls out of the knee and throws a long touchdown pass -- so what? If we were going to lose it doesn&#039;t matter -- plus the fact the ball is in the air at all makes it possible for something bad for the offense to happen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a team that was going to kneel down instead runs a play then fantastic &#8212; the Bucs have more than done their job since they&#8217;ve forced the other team to change the way they&#8217;d normally play which is how mistakes happen. If Payton at the end of the game pulls out of the knee and throws a long touchdown pass &#8212; so what? If we were going to lose it doesn&#8217;t matter &#8212; plus the fact the ball is in the air at all makes it possible for something bad for the offense to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: justintuckrule</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/03/bucs-try-to-blow-up-peytons-victory-formation/#comment-2155599</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[justintuckrule]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 23:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The strategy is simply to catch the winning team sleeping. Otherwise, why wouldn’t TB submarine the winning team’s OL for the entire game in the hopes of forcing fumbles? Answer – because it’s a chicken s- move. Nothing more.

And to the poster who called Schiano this great humanitarian for signing LeGrand to a contract….puhlease. The move was a complete self-absorbed, “look at me” move (coincidentally no different than his bush league look at me victory formation garbage). Otherwise, why call a press conference without LeGrand there to announce it????]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The strategy is simply to catch the winning team sleeping. Otherwise, why wouldn’t TB submarine the winning team’s OL for the entire game in the hopes of forcing fumbles? Answer – because it’s a chicken s- move. Nothing more.</p>
<p>And to the poster who called Schiano this great humanitarian for signing LeGrand to a contract….puhlease. The move was a complete self-absorbed, “look at me” move (coincidentally no different than his bush league look at me victory formation garbage). Otherwise, why call a press conference without LeGrand there to announce it????</p>
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		<title>By: hedleykow</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/03/bucs-try-to-blow-up-peytons-victory-formation/#comment-2155533</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hedleykow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 23:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only thing that would top crashing the victory formation play would be to throw the challenge flag after the play to make absolute certain there wasn&#039;t a turnover.

I&#039;d pay double to see that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only thing that would top crashing the victory formation play would be to throw the challenge flag after the play to make absolute certain there wasn&#8217;t a turnover.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d pay double to see that.</p>
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		<title>By: randyschwimmer7</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/03/bucs-try-to-blow-up-peytons-victory-formation/#comment-2155499</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[randyschwimmer7]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 22:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[goodolebaghead says:
Dec 3, 2012 5:31 PM
Did any of you know this worked for Schiano several times in NCAA games?

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Last I checked, this isn&#039;t the NCAA.....so we don&#039;t care.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>goodolebaghead says:<br />
Dec 3, 2012 5:31 PM<br />
Did any of you know this worked for Schiano several times in NCAA games?</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Last I checked, this isn&#8217;t the NCAA&#8230;..so we don&#8217;t care.</p>
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		<title>By: wjmoffatt</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/03/bucs-try-to-blow-up-peytons-victory-formation/#comment-2155481</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wjmoffatt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 22:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And pretty sure people will get no matter what, look at what happened to Bill Gramatica when he went out for the year celebrating a field goal! So if you get hurt from this, then you were probably going to get hurt eventually any was.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And pretty sure people will get no matter what, look at what happened to Bill Gramatica when he went out for the year celebrating a field goal! So if you get hurt from this, then you were probably going to get hurt eventually any was.</p>
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		<title>By: govtminion</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/03/bucs-try-to-blow-up-peytons-victory-formation/#comment-2155479</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[govtminion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 22:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find myself wondering how the Bucs fans would react if another team did this to them and Freeman got hurt. Same idea, right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find myself wondering how the Bucs fans would react if another team did this to them and Freeman got hurt. Same idea, right?</p>
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		<title>By: wjmoffatt</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/03/bucs-try-to-blow-up-peytons-victory-formation/#comment-2155477</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wjmoffatt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 22:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[louiegrandie says: Dec 3, 2012 5:28 PM

&quot;As a result pretty soon everyone is going to be trying to run it up on you. I hope that someone lines up in a “victory” formation and then throws a quick pass for a touchdown on the last play.&quot;
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Yeah we as Bucs fans would love that smart guy, let us have an opportunity at getting the ball back, thanks]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>louiegrandie says: Dec 3, 2012 5:28 PM</p>
<p>&#8220;As a result pretty soon everyone is going to be trying to run it up on you. I hope that someone lines up in a “victory” formation and then throws a quick pass for a touchdown on the last play.&#8221;<br />
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<p>Yeah we as Bucs fans would love that smart guy, let us have an opportunity at getting the ball back, thanks</p>
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		<title>By: dkeyser</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/03/bucs-try-to-blow-up-peytons-victory-formation/#comment-2155469</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dkeyser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 22:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He preaches to play till the there are all zeros on the clock, yet when his team is winning at the end of a game his guys are taking a knee.. What gives? He would be singing a different tune if one of his offensive lineman got their knees blown out]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He preaches to play till the there are all zeros on the clock, yet when his team is winning at the end of a game his guys are taking a knee.. What gives? He would be singing a different tune if one of his offensive lineman got their knees blown out</p>
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		<title>By: dallascowboysdishingthereal</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/03/bucs-try-to-blow-up-peytons-victory-formation/#comment-2155450</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dallascowboysdishingthereal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 22:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s all fun and games until someone gets hurt...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all fun and games until someone gets hurt&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: richc111</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[richc111]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 22:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is exactly what happened last time. They were one score ways from tieing, the ball was in Denver&#039;s part of the field. If the ball is dropped, they would have got 2-3 plays from the Denver 35 to try to score. Just play the game. Why should the other team quit when you do. I can guarantee you if they were down 2 scores or 90 yards from the goal line it don&#039;t happen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is exactly what happened last time. They were one score ways from tieing, the ball was in Denver&#8217;s part of the field. If the ball is dropped, they would have got 2-3 plays from the Denver 35 to try to score. Just play the game. Why should the other team quit when you do. I can guarantee you if they were down 2 scores or 90 yards from the goal line it don&#8217;t happen.</p>
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		<title>By: goodolebaghead</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[goodolebaghead]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 22:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Did any of you know this worked for Schiano several times in NCAA games?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did any of you know this worked for Schiano several times in NCAA games?</p>
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