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	<title>Comments on: Schiano&#8217;s idea for replacing kickoffs traces to LeGrand injury</title>
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		<title>By: westclaims</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/07/schianos-idea-for-kickoffs-traces-to-legrand-injur/#comment-2167557</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[westclaims]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 04:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s call it 4th and 20, not 4th and 15. If you start with 4th and 15, a penalty could give &quot;certain&quot; teams an advantage. And, I think they are trying to warm us up to that idea. It&#039;s very interesting that the 15 yard thing is mentioned. 

A PI call could be different yardage wise, but the whole 15 yard thing makes me think it could be a little skewed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s call it 4th and 20, not 4th and 15. If you start with 4th and 15, a penalty could give &#8220;certain&#8221; teams an advantage. And, I think they are trying to warm us up to that idea. It&#8217;s very interesting that the 15 yard thing is mentioned. </p>
<p>A PI call could be different yardage wise, but the whole 15 yard thing makes me think it could be a little skewed.</p>
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		<title>By: mrbiz8505</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2012 16:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nobody is forcing them to play a sport....it&#039;s their choice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody is forcing them to play a sport&#8230;.it&#8217;s their choice.</p>
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		<title>By: seahawksbmx</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/07/schianos-idea-for-kickoffs-traces-to-legrand-injur/#comment-2166357</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2012 15:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was initially opposed to the idea, but I&#039;m quickly warming up to it. Crunch the numbers to determine how many &quot;yards to go&quot; will equal the expected (not surprise) onside kick success rate and figure out where the mark to actually punt from will result in the receiving team&#039;s starting field position to match the current average, then test it out in preseason. Compile data (stats, injury rate, etc.), listen to feedback from players, coaches and fans and institute it the following season after ironing out the kinks.
Let&#039;s face it, kickoffs are boring with 2 exceptions: when a player takes it to the house or the onside kick. If I understand the new proposal correctly, the receiving team can still return the punt for a TD and the desperate punting team would still have the chance to convert one exciting, low-percentage play to maintain possession.
It&#039;s intriguing enough to be explored.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was initially opposed to the idea, but I&#8217;m quickly warming up to it. Crunch the numbers to determine how many &#8220;yards to go&#8221; will equal the expected (not surprise) onside kick success rate and figure out where the mark to actually punt from will result in the receiving team&#8217;s starting field position to match the current average, then test it out in preseason. Compile data (stats, injury rate, etc.), listen to feedback from players, coaches and fans and institute it the following season after ironing out the kinks.<br />
Let&#8217;s face it, kickoffs are boring with 2 exceptions: when a player takes it to the house or the onside kick. If I understand the new proposal correctly, the receiving team can still return the punt for a TD and the desperate punting team would still have the chance to convert one exciting, low-percentage play to maintain possession.<br />
It&#8217;s intriguing enough to be explored.</p>
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		<title>By: eatitfanboy</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2012 06:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nope.  Nothing callous about comparing a guy who retired with a broken leg after a lengthy pro career to a guy who can&#039;t move any part of his body below his neck and has to blow into a straw to move his wheel chair.

Almost exactly the same thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope.  Nothing callous about comparing a guy who retired with a broken leg after a lengthy pro career to a guy who can&#8217;t move any part of his body below his neck and has to blow into a straw to move his wheel chair.</p>
<p>Almost exactly the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: latchbeam</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/07/schianos-idea-for-kickoffs-traces-to-legrand-injur/#comment-2166116</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2012 04:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If this happens, I&#039;ll stop watching NFL games...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this happens, I&#8217;ll stop watching NFL games&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: blindshootist</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[blindshootist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2012 03:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would prefer them removing the facemask, helmet, or pads all together, or even widening the field before seeing the kickoff removed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would prefer them removing the facemask, helmet, or pads all together, or even widening the field before seeing the kickoff removed.</p>
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		<title>By: harrisonhits2</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2012 03:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The fact that attorneys are the driving force in the league these days has already badly effected the game and will soon outright ruin it.

Wait till the coaches have to have a legal assistant on the sidelines to clear every play through so the league can make sure any particular formation might not result in additional liability to the league.

Football will die an agonizing death from the fan viewpoint and it won&#039;t even be a slow one with the people running the league these days.

Pathetic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that attorneys are the driving force in the league these days has already badly effected the game and will soon outright ruin it.</p>
<p>Wait till the coaches have to have a legal assistant on the sidelines to clear every play through so the league can make sure any particular formation might not result in additional liability to the league.</p>
<p>Football will die an agonizing death from the fan viewpoint and it won&#8217;t even be a slow one with the people running the league these days.</p>
<p>Pathetic.</p>
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		<title>By: terrellblowens</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2012 02:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, the LeGrand thing is really sad.  So forgive me if this comes across as very callous:

Joe Theismann&#039;s career ended on a pass play when he got sacked.  Should we ban the D-Line from rushing the passer or remove pass plays altogether?

I understand the emphasis on safety, but the players know what they&#039;re getting into.  Freak injuries are part of the game.  There are risks and there are rewards.  The guys who want the payday and no contact should master baseball or basketball.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, the LeGrand thing is really sad.  So forgive me if this comes across as very callous:</p>
<p>Joe Theismann&#8217;s career ended on a pass play when he got sacked.  Should we ban the D-Line from rushing the passer or remove pass plays altogether?</p>
<p>I understand the emphasis on safety, but the players know what they&#8217;re getting into.  Freak injuries are part of the game.  There are risks and there are rewards.  The guys who want the payday and no contact should master baseball or basketball.</p>
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		<title>By: itsmammoth</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2012 02:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Leave the NFL and the legacy of the game alone. 

The game of football is a violent sport. Players get paid millions of dollars to put it all on the line for this  intense game we call football.

Roger Goodell acts like the overly protective mom that just won&#039;t let her son do anything. It&#039;s time to let go and realize injuries happen. It&#039;s a contact sport. 

Hey there party kids! Let&#039;s all just pretend to be drunk, because alcohol is bad for you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leave the NFL and the legacy of the game alone. </p>
<p>The game of football is a violent sport. Players get paid millions of dollars to put it all on the line for this  intense game we call football.</p>
<p>Roger Goodell acts like the overly protective mom that just won&#8217;t let her son do anything. It&#8217;s time to let go and realize injuries happen. It&#8217;s a contact sport. </p>
<p>Hey there party kids! Let&#8217;s all just pretend to be drunk, because alcohol is bad for you.</p>
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		<title>By: eatitfanboy</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/07/schianos-idea-for-kickoffs-traces-to-legrand-injur/#comment-2165976</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2012 02:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not saying I support getting rid of kickoffs.  I&#039;m undecided.  But I would make a couple of points:

Kickoffs are rarely exciting.  Even those that aren&#039;t touchbacks usually result in a returner running to about the 20 yard line and getting tackled.  I would venture to guess that less than one in twenty results in an exciting play.

The numbers don&#039;t lie.  When you compare the amount of catastrophic injuries overall to the number that occur on kickoffs, there is a clear connection.

Eliminating the kickoff would certainly not be the &quot;end&quot; of football.  Did college basketball &quot;end&quot; when they got rid of the tip off?  I&#039;ll bet many of you didn&#039;t even know they had, and college BB is as big or bigger than ever.

Over the last 20 years, there has been rule change after rule change that people squawked would be the &quot;end of football&quot;.  Yet football is bigger and more popular than ever.  

There is something exciting to the OPENING kick off of the game and the second half, due to the anticipation and excitement.  Here&#039;s my compromise:  Kickoff to start the game the second half, and any time the scoring team is down by 8 points or less with less than 3 minutes to go (thus allowing for on-side kicks), and start at the 25 instead of kicking off for other points of the game.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not saying I support getting rid of kickoffs.  I&#8217;m undecided.  But I would make a couple of points:</p>
<p>Kickoffs are rarely exciting.  Even those that aren&#8217;t touchbacks usually result in a returner running to about the 20 yard line and getting tackled.  I would venture to guess that less than one in twenty results in an exciting play.</p>
<p>The numbers don&#8217;t lie.  When you compare the amount of catastrophic injuries overall to the number that occur on kickoffs, there is a clear connection.</p>
<p>Eliminating the kickoff would certainly not be the &#8220;end&#8221; of football.  Did college basketball &#8220;end&#8221; when they got rid of the tip off?  I&#8217;ll bet many of you didn&#8217;t even know they had, and college BB is as big or bigger than ever.</p>
<p>Over the last 20 years, there has been rule change after rule change that people squawked would be the &#8220;end of football&#8221;.  Yet football is bigger and more popular than ever.  </p>
<p>There is something exciting to the OPENING kick off of the game and the second half, due to the anticipation and excitement.  Here&#8217;s my compromise:  Kickoff to start the game the second half, and any time the scoring team is down by 8 points or less with less than 3 minutes to go (thus allowing for on-side kicks), and start at the 25 instead of kicking off for other points of the game.</p>
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		<title>By: facebook.com/joesimmonscomic AKA Slow Joe (Bucs fan)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[facebook.com/joesimmonscomic AKA Slow Joe (Bucs fan)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2012 02:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like the concept, but it would give high-powered passing offenses an advantage over high-powered run offenses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the concept, but it would give high-powered passing offenses an advantage over high-powered run offenses.</p>
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		<title>By: pike573</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pike573]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2012 01:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[People comparing kickoff to victory formulation makes not sense. F=ma]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People comparing kickoff to victory formulation makes not sense. F=ma</p>
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		<title>By: FinFan68</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FinFan68]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2012 01:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There clearly needs to be more discussion on this issue.  The play impacts several layers of rules and strategy.  Is the ball live on the kick/does it need to travel 10 yards? Does the ball need to stay in bounds? What happens on penalties? Currently, there is no way for the kicking team to regain the ball on a kickoff but a simple defensive holding (when ball is not kicked) or roughing the kicker, etc. would result in an automatic first down for the kicking team.  How will it be handled in overtime? (FG and converted 4th &amp; 15 option does not give both teams possession)  

This rule would place even more emphasis on the passing game and teams with &quot;elite&quot; QBs would have an even bigger advantage.  RBs would become less important than they already are.  There are a ton of potential unintended consequences with a change as drastic as this.  You&#039;ve seen how the rules are written, how confident are you that the lawyers will write it well enough that it is clear?  Personally, I do not see the need for change since most kickoff returns have already been eliminated.  The constant tinkering is ruining a once great game.  Please stop it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There clearly needs to be more discussion on this issue.  The play impacts several layers of rules and strategy.  Is the ball live on the kick/does it need to travel 10 yards? Does the ball need to stay in bounds? What happens on penalties? Currently, there is no way for the kicking team to regain the ball on a kickoff but a simple defensive holding (when ball is not kicked) or roughing the kicker, etc. would result in an automatic first down for the kicking team.  How will it be handled in overtime? (FG and converted 4th &amp; 15 option does not give both teams possession)  </p>
<p>This rule would place even more emphasis on the passing game and teams with &#8220;elite&#8221; QBs would have an even bigger advantage.  RBs would become less important than they already are.  There are a ton of potential unintended consequences with a change as drastic as this.  You&#8217;ve seen how the rules are written, how confident are you that the lawyers will write it well enough that it is clear?  Personally, I do not see the need for change since most kickoff returns have already been eliminated.  The constant tinkering is ruining a once great game.  Please stop it.</p>
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		<title>By: crashkobra</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2012 00:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think they should eliminate the extra point first. Those are just a waste of time. 

I think a better Idea would be to have the kicking team punt from the 50 so that way there is still the excitement of a kick return but the kicking players don&#039;t get a full head of steam. 

If they want to onside kick they have to do it at the 50 and if they recover they take it at their own 30 but if they don&#039;t recover the receiving team gets it at the 50.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think they should eliminate the extra point first. Those are just a waste of time. </p>
<p>I think a better Idea would be to have the kicking team punt from the 50 so that way there is still the excitement of a kick return but the kicking players don&#8217;t get a full head of steam. </p>
<p>If they want to onside kick they have to do it at the 50 and if they recover they take it at their own 30 but if they don&#8217;t recover the receiving team gets it at the 50.</p>
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		<title>By: thesmedman</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 23:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agree with the comment about Schiano and his disingenousness given his position on kneel downs. Bad idea to eliminate kickoffs.

Schiano ought to go back to the college game if he wants to start messing with the game since they messed with it with overtime rules, to say nothing of the lack of a playoff system.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with the comment about Schiano and his disingenousness given his position on kneel downs. Bad idea to eliminate kickoffs.</p>
<p>Schiano ought to go back to the college game if he wants to start messing with the game since they messed with it with overtime rules, to say nothing of the lack of a playoff system.</p>
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		<title>By: lutazanderman</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 23:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s an alternate idea:

After scoring, the scoring team will have two options.

1. Concede the ball to the opponent who will then start from their own 20.

2. Attempt a 50 yard field goal for a chance to retain  possession. If the FG is good they will keep possession and start from their own 20. If they miss the FG the opponent is awarded possession at the spot of the kick (their own 40).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an alternate idea:</p>
<p>After scoring, the scoring team will have two options.</p>
<p>1. Concede the ball to the opponent who will then start from their own 20.</p>
<p>2. Attempt a 50 yard field goal for a chance to retain  possession. If the FG is good they will keep possession and start from their own 20. If they miss the FG the opponent is awarded possession at the spot of the kick (their own 40).</p>
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		<title>By: jebdamone</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 23:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the first two times i votes an emphatic no on this issue.  today, i may vote yes.  the thing about it is, in ten years we won&#039;t even remember that something we believe is so fundamental to football even existed.  im not saying this is the right answer, but I am becoming more open to ideas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the first two times i votes an emphatic no on this issue.  today, i may vote yes.  the thing about it is, in ten years we won&#8217;t even remember that something we believe is so fundamental to football even existed.  im not saying this is the right answer, but I am becoming more open to ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: FinFan68</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FinFan68]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 23:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[nygiantstones says:
Dec 7, 2012 4:47 PM
So Schiano is interested in safety when it has affected him or someone on his team, but not when the opposing team is in the V formation and he instructs his D Line to attack defenseless players? Just wanted to make sure I was getting this correct.
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You are not even in the same zip code as correct.  The V formation was established as a &quot;safe&quot; play.  That means safe from a turnover, not safe from injury.  The defense has every right to try to get the ball and that is exactly what the Bucs have done.  Nobody has gone after anyone&#039;s knees.  If the OL is &quot;defenseless&quot; at an offensive snap, that is completely on them.

As for the kick-off proposal.  I absolutely hate the idea.  Keep kick-offs in the game.  That said, if they are hell-bent on changing the game, then this idea is better than just getting the ball on the ___ yard line.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nygiantstones says:<br />
Dec 7, 2012 4:47 PM<br />
So Schiano is interested in safety when it has affected him or someone on his team, but not when the opposing team is in the V formation and he instructs his D Line to attack defenseless players? Just wanted to make sure I was getting this correct.<br />
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You are not even in the same zip code as correct.  The V formation was established as a &#8220;safe&#8221; play.  That means safe from a turnover, not safe from injury.  The defense has every right to try to get the ball and that is exactly what the Bucs have done.  Nobody has gone after anyone&#8217;s knees.  If the OL is &#8220;defenseless&#8221; at an offensive snap, that is completely on them.</p>
<p>As for the kick-off proposal.  I absolutely hate the idea.  Keep kick-offs in the game.  That said, if they are hell-bent on changing the game, then this idea is better than just getting the ball on the ___ yard line.</p>
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		<title>By: sparty0n</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 23:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hate the idea of the 4th and 15 things.  Why not just require 7 players from the kick-off team, and a certian number of players on the receiving team to be within 10 yards of the ball on kickoff?

Essentially, you would force them into a &quot;punt-type&quot; formation for kick-offs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate the idea of the 4th and 15 things.  Why not just require 7 players from the kick-off team, and a certian number of players on the receiving team to be within 10 yards of the ball on kickoff?</p>
<p>Essentially, you would force them into a &#8220;punt-type&#8221; formation for kick-offs.</p>
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		<title>By: musicman495</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 23:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s a stupid idea from a source with no NFL cred whatsoever.  If kickoffs are still an injury problem - and I do not accept that they are until we see the results from the first year of the new rules - there are probably 10 changes better than starting the game with a punt.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a stupid idea from a source with no NFL cred whatsoever.  If kickoffs are still an injury problem &#8211; and I do not accept that they are until we see the results from the first year of the new rules &#8211; there are probably 10 changes better than starting the game with a punt.</p>
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		<title>By: budaku</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 23:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do you people even read???  

1.  The idea was devised when he was at Rutgers after watching LeGrand get paralyzed, not 3 months ago after the Giants game.  Besides, he  has been helping  all levels of football in creating a procedure for handling spinal cord injuries ie Quincy Black&#039;s injury this year. 

2. He also never said 4th and 15 was the end all be all.  He said do research and whatever the percentage to equal onside kicks success rates should be used.  It may need to be 4th and 20 or 30 even.

3. As for the kneel down play.  The same collisions happen every time a punt block or FG block is called.  The &quot;problem&quot; with the kneel down play is that no one had ever done it.  

4.  Rule changes have happened in football since it&#039;s inception.  The largest being the adoption of the forward pass Schiano mentions 1906, but also the two point conversion 1960, moving goal posts to back of the endzone 1974,  horsecollar tackles and facemask penalties were added, etc.  

Ultimately, the game has always changed and will continue to change.  The kickoff will  be taken out of the game due to the severity and frequency of the injuries.  Schiano is trying to think about a solution that still gives the game excitement instead of just starting at the 20.   Kudos to him, and for anyone who can&#039;t use their brains for something other than complaining, run down on a couple kickoffs and experience a couple kickoffs yourself!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you people even read???  </p>
<p>1.  The idea was devised when he was at Rutgers after watching LeGrand get paralyzed, not 3 months ago after the Giants game.  Besides, he  has been helping  all levels of football in creating a procedure for handling spinal cord injuries ie Quincy Black&#8217;s injury this year. </p>
<p>2. He also never said 4th and 15 was the end all be all.  He said do research and whatever the percentage to equal onside kicks success rates should be used.  It may need to be 4th and 20 or 30 even.</p>
<p>3. As for the kneel down play.  The same collisions happen every time a punt block or FG block is called.  The &#8220;problem&#8221; with the kneel down play is that no one had ever done it.  </p>
<p>4.  Rule changes have happened in football since it&#8217;s inception.  The largest being the adoption of the forward pass Schiano mentions 1906, but also the two point conversion 1960, moving goal posts to back of the endzone 1974,  horsecollar tackles and facemask penalties were added, etc.  </p>
<p>Ultimately, the game has always changed and will continue to change.  The kickoff will  be taken out of the game due to the severity and frequency of the injuries.  Schiano is trying to think about a solution that still gives the game excitement instead of just starting at the 20.   Kudos to him, and for anyone who can&#8217;t use their brains for something other than complaining, run down on a couple kickoffs and experience a couple kickoffs yourself!!</p>
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		<title>By: kinggw</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 23:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think this is one of the stupidest ideas ever. Its a damn shame what happened Eric LeGrand, but this is ridiculous. 

Football by nature is a violent game, those who play should understand that they take a risk everytime they go out there. Furthermore, injuries like LeGrand&#039;s are rare, extremely rare. This proposed rule change isn&#039;t about making the game safer, its just one more layer to protect Goodell and the NFL from a lawsuit should the unthinkable happen. If this keeps up in a few years the helmets and pads will be gone and the NFL will be a full fledged flag football league.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is one of the stupidest ideas ever. Its a damn shame what happened Eric LeGrand, but this is ridiculous. </p>
<p>Football by nature is a violent game, those who play should understand that they take a risk everytime they go out there. Furthermore, injuries like LeGrand&#8217;s are rare, extremely rare. This proposed rule change isn&#8217;t about making the game safer, its just one more layer to protect Goodell and the NFL from a lawsuit should the unthinkable happen. If this keeps up in a few years the helmets and pads will be gone and the NFL will be a full fledged flag football league.</p>
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		<title>By: vanmorrissey</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 23:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All those who don&#039;t like it, get your head out of your butts.  What are the chances you convert 4th and 15?  From your own 30?  And who would really go for it except towards the end of a game where another score makes the game more exciting, more relevant?  Geez, nothing is so sacred about the boring kickoff returns since they&#039;ve been moved up again, at least give them a try in preseason.  How often is an onsides kick converted?  Please, grow up and try something different.  Oh, the game, the game.  The game garners like $9 billion/year, you don&#039;t like it, don&#039;t watch.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All those who don&#8217;t like it, get your head out of your butts.  What are the chances you convert 4th and 15?  From your own 30?  And who would really go for it except towards the end of a game where another score makes the game more exciting, more relevant?  Geez, nothing is so sacred about the boring kickoff returns since they&#8217;ve been moved up again, at least give them a try in preseason.  How often is an onsides kick converted?  Please, grow up and try something different.  Oh, the game, the game.  The game garners like $9 billion/year, you don&#8217;t like it, don&#8217;t watch.</p>
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		<title>By: theblowtorchreview</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 23:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A lot of players would be unemployed if they get rid of kick offs.......i.e. Brandon Banks of the Redskins.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of players would be unemployed if they get rid of kick offs&#8230;&#8230;.i.e. Brandon Banks of the Redskins.</p>
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		<title>By: roadtrip3500</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 22:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem I have is the 30 yard line.  A punter would have to launch one &gt;70 yards to get a touchback, and 60-69 yards to get something inside the 10.  Only 4 punters this year have broken 70 yards on a punt... &lt;i&gt;every&lt;/i&gt; kicker can reach the end zone on a kickoff from the 35.

At an average gross punt of 45 yards, the ball will land around the opponent&#039;s 25 yard line which all but ensures a return to somewhere between the 30 and 35.  That&#039;s far better field position than the kickoffs produce.

Also, if punt rules apply, a muffed punt can&#039;t be advanced by the kicking team - during a kickoff, that ball is 100% live if fumbled or dropped.

Another detail will be requiring a certain number of defenders/return-team members within 7 yards of the line of scrimmage to prevent the downfield collisions this plan is designed to eliminate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem I have is the 30 yard line.  A punter would have to launch one &gt;70 yards to get a touchback, and 60-69 yards to get something inside the 10.  Only 4 punters this year have broken 70 yards on a punt&#8230; <i>every</i> kicker can reach the end zone on a kickoff from the 35.</p>
<p>At an average gross punt of 45 yards, the ball will land around the opponent&#8217;s 25 yard line which all but ensures a return to somewhere between the 30 and 35.  That&#8217;s far better field position than the kickoffs produce.</p>
<p>Also, if punt rules apply, a muffed punt can&#8217;t be advanced by the kicking team &#8211; during a kickoff, that ball is 100% live if fumbled or dropped.</p>
<p>Another detail will be requiring a certain number of defenders/return-team members within 7 yards of the line of scrimmage to prevent the downfield collisions this plan is designed to eliminate.</p>
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		<title>By: seeptermean</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 22:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For everyone who is shooting down this change to the rules, you need to consider the history of football.  In the early 1900&#039;s Teddy Roosevelt threatened to ban the game completely due to the violence and death.  The result of these controversies was the invention of the forward pass.  Can you imagine football without the forward pass, because I can&#039;t.  For all of you who are solely against changing the game, you need to realize that everything (and I mean everything) is always still a work in progress.  Those who resist change or innovation always get left in the dark.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For everyone who is shooting down this change to the rules, you need to consider the history of football.  In the early 1900&#8242;s Teddy Roosevelt threatened to ban the game completely due to the violence and death.  The result of these controversies was the invention of the forward pass.  Can you imagine football without the forward pass, because I can&#8217;t.  For all of you who are solely against changing the game, you need to realize that everything (and I mean everything) is always still a work in progress.  Those who resist change or innovation always get left in the dark.</p>
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		<title>By: bullcharger</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 22:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it makes no sense.  I like the way it is now.  It&#039;s already fixed in my opinion and the rules of football in general haven&#039;t been tampered with.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it makes no sense.  I like the way it is now.  It&#8217;s already fixed in my opinion and the rules of football in general haven&#8217;t been tampered with.</p>
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		<title>By: randyschwimmer7</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 22:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You give Peyton Manning 4th and 15 and he will convert it almost 50% of the time.  I am not sure if I completely understand how this would work and would love it explained to me more.  

If a team scores a touchdown, instead of kicking off to the other team, the team that just scored the touchdown gets a 4th and 15 and can either convert it, or the ball goes to the other team at their 20 or 30?  If that is the case, some teams will just play keep away all game, and one team may not get the ball for a whole half.  Is this correct?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You give Peyton Manning 4th and 15 and he will convert it almost 50% of the time.  I am not sure if I completely understand how this would work and would love it explained to me more.  </p>
<p>If a team scores a touchdown, instead of kicking off to the other team, the team that just scored the touchdown gets a 4th and 15 and can either convert it, or the ball goes to the other team at their 20 or 30?  If that is the case, some teams will just play keep away all game, and one team may not get the ball for a whole half.  Is this correct?</p>
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		<title>By: briandorry55</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 22:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You sissies opposing the kneel-down shenanigans will just not let it go...You guys know the NBA is on if you don&#039;t want to watch contact sports...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You sissies opposing the kneel-down shenanigans will just not let it go&#8230;You guys know the NBA is on if you don&#8217;t want to watch contact sports&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: len462</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 22:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like it. The game will go through changes forever. Everything on this earth evolves. Everything except large parts of the human race that is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like it. The game will go through changes forever. Everything on this earth evolves. Everything except large parts of the human race that is.</p>
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