Comments on: Raiders have a tough decision to make on Carson Palmer

By: bizzyb559

bizzyb559 — Mon, 10 Dec 2012 18:00:30 +0000

Carson isn’t the problem. Look at what he has to work with! No running game and no real standout receiving corps.

Eli Manning has 3429 passing yds, 20 TD’s, 13 int with a 86.4 pass rating compared with Palmer who has 3805 passing yds, 22 td’s, 14 int’s with a 85.3 pass rating.

With a running game to compliment the receiving corps, Palmer could be even better. Not great, just better. I have a hard time blaming everything on one person. The ZBS isn’t working for whatever reason, yet I hope this will change and Carson will come back next season.

By: 1nationraidernation

1nationraidernation — Mon, 10 Dec 2012 16:53:10 +0000

Vick, Romo, Rivers, and Palmer are all due right around 17 million next year……Safe to think all 4 will be debated. (brady is safe at 21 million?)

By: 1nationraidernation

1nationraidernation — Mon, 10 Dec 2012 16:35:43 +0000

Palmers base salary is 13 million, his cap number is 17 million next year….there alone you have 17 million reasons why he might not be back next year. However Carson could always restructure to get into an equitable value for both of something like 10m to 12m per season.

By: jjackwagon

jjackwagon — Mon, 10 Dec 2012 15:54:16 +0000

Hey Felix,

Can we “assume” that is your “expert” opinion? LOL.

Oh I almost forgot…remember to “keep your day job.”

By: felixinmiami

felixinmiami — Mon, 10 Dec 2012 15:24:09 +0000

I love all the “experts” in here. There is a reason you are all making comments HERE and not for a living…KEEP you day jobs. ANYONE who thinks Palmer is the main reason the Raiders are bad, are clueless…BUT, he is not blameless. Anyone who thinks that all of the injuries and lack of legit talent did not play into the horrible season the Raiders had is ALSO clueless. And ANYONE, thinking the track record the Bengals management has with draft picks, think that they have taken advantage of the desperate trade the Raiders made to get Palmer…is equally clueless.

Now, to address the Pryor at QB question. We have NO CLUE what there is in Pryor because he has never played. You just don’t know..and to ass-ume that he will not be a QB is this league, is just that…assuming. The Raiders have NOTHING to lose by playing him. Nothing…. The season is over, time to see what some of these kids have and let them audition for possible trade suitors for next year if they do not work out. The coaching staff and Palmer are confident in their position on the team to know they have to take a look at this kid.

The “experts” can now return to the regularly scheduled ranting/hating and ill informed comments.

By: araidersfan

araidersfan — Mon, 10 Dec 2012 12:20:51 +0000

First off, the trade that brought Palmer to Oakland was a desperation move by an egomaniac (Jackson) and cost us dearly for the short-term. But it’s a sunk cost so we have to make do.

Given his age and current abilities, Palmer is NOT going to be the QB that leads the Raiders back to relevance (playoff contention) because it’s going to take at least a few more years before we get the type of roster we can do that with. For the interim rebuilding years, Palmer is as good as we can do but I say that we should keep him ONLY if he’s willing to take a pay cut. $13 mil. is outrageous for his current level so if he’s not willing to renegotiate then trade/cut him and acquire a game-manager type QB who’s not especially good but also doesn’t embarrass us.

And anyone who seriously thinks Al Davis’ last mistake – Pryor – is gonna be an NFL caliber QB for the Raiders out to have his/her head examined. I hope that Allen plays him in the remaining 2012 games to put such delusions to rest.

By: shockg0d

shockg0d — Mon, 10 Dec 2012 06:21:41 +0000

Palmers already stated before that he’s not playing for money anymore, but for the love of the game. He had 80 mil in the bank when he decided he was done in Cinci. He’s happy being close to his home town and hasn’t given any indication that he’s unhappy. Dennis Allen also recently said he’s not down on Carson at all, and that hes someone they will lead on moving forward. He’s made some mistakes but the whole team has, whenever you’re losing the way they have been any competitor is going to try and force things a little to help the team win when they’re desperate. His recievers constantly drop passes that hit their hands and the defense constantly puts them in bad field position. That doesn’t absolve him of all his errors, but I’d like to see what he can do with a few solid pieces around him and some consistency with the coaching staff. Also I think people are taking his (DAs) comments about Pryor way out of context. Just saying that they want to see what they have in him does not mean he’s going to be the starter. He’s still a ways away from being ready, if he will be at all. We might see him in some Tebow like wildcat packages here soon, but I wouldn’t expect to see him move up the depth chart. If he’s lucky he’ll move up to the number 2 slot maybe next year. Just my take.

By: raiderrob68

raiderrob68 — Sun, 09 Dec 2012 23:33:24 +0000

I think mwindle1973 got it right. In my opinion, this is a playoff-caliber offensive roster with the wrong offensive scheme. DMac finally got going a couple years ago after several years of the lame zone-blocking scheme. Now we go backward with another try of an OC that failed the first time?

I wish Dennis Allen had shown some leadership and fired the OC.

The defense is devoid on talent, and we knew that going into the season. They also seem to lack leadership.

I really believe a new offensive scheme and a talent infusion on the defense will go a long way.

By: txraiderfan

txraiderfan — Sun, 09 Dec 2012 16:16:41 +0000

BTW- have any of you Pryor advocates ever actually watched him throw a pass?
Best bet is to move him to WR. He would surely drop less passes than what they have now

By: txraiderfan

txraiderfan — Sun, 09 Dec 2012 16:13:53 +0000

If Greg Krapp was his OC, Tom Brady would put up career-worst numbers.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying Palmer is Brady, etc..
I’m just saying, while Palmer isn’t elite, he is good enough to win with. Greg Krapp, on the other hand, has taken an offense that routinely put up 25-30 pts last year and turned them into a team that’s lucky to score 10. He’s the worst! Whether it play selection or personnel, this is the worst I’ve seen (other than the “bed and breakfast” offense). Canning Greg Krapp and getting a WR or two who can actually catch a pass would really help.

By: eagleswin

eagleswin — Sun, 09 Dec 2012 13:55:02 +0000

Boy i bet the raiders wish they had those 1st and 2nd round picks back. That’s what happens when you let a coach whose only concern is not to get fired this year, don’t worry about the future start trading away the future to save his job.

How many draft picks did they trade away in last year’s draft?

Good news, you still owe your second to Cinci this year for Palmer whether you pay him 13 mill or not. The gift that keeps on giving, Hue Jackson.

That’s one thing I don’t understand about Raiders fans. Hue Jackson and Al Davis absolutely destroyed this team long term by trying to win at all costs the last 2 years. The laundry list of draft picks traded away for “win now” players who rarely have made any difference is staggering. Yet in their first year, lacking any high draft picks do to the previous regime, they get roasted for not turning over the roster more completely.

Noone likes losing but it’s going to take probably another 2 years to overturn the stink that Al and Hue left on this team. Like i said they still owe a second next year for Palmer and he may not even be on the team. Cinci has been laughing all the way to the bank on that trade.

By: whatjusthapped

whatjusthapped — Sun, 09 Dec 2012 13:18:24 +0000

As bad as Palmer is, the Vikings show a willingness to take on aging QB’s who are on the downside of their career (Favre, McNabb and to a lesser extent Sage Rosenfelds)

Cut the guy, the Vikings are waiting.

By: ihateravens

ihateravens — Sun, 09 Dec 2012 13:10:30 +0000

Golden boy from So.Cal. will never win a big game in the NFL. Not tough enough and doesn’t have a winning spirit. His time in the AFC North proved his worth.

By: Sandra Lee's Cans

Sandra Lee's Cans — Sun, 09 Dec 2012 12:19:43 +0000

Obviously, Palmer wasn’t the final piece to the puzzle the Oakland front office was hoping he would be, and who can blame him for taking the money? Thirteen million next year is silly for a QB who is way past his prime and doesn’t have a lot to work with. The Raiders can lose 12 games without him more cheaply than with him so give Pryor a shot so you know what you have. I don’t see him as an NFL QB, but who knows? Time for a floor to ceiling rebuild.

By: pastabelly

pastabelly — Sun, 09 Dec 2012 12:01:35 +0000

Agree with the Alex Smith comment. Flynn also should be available, but might be too expensive. Not much in the 2013 draft.

By: effjohntaylornorelation

effjohntaylornorelation — Sun, 09 Dec 2012 11:25:31 +0000

The whole franchise is in shambles. Some things never change!

By: kenstabler

kenstabler — Sun, 09 Dec 2012 11:23:24 +0000

You can’t pay Palmer 13 million. Palmer is responsible for at least 4 losses this year with bonehead throws in critical times in those games. Pryor has great legs, but he throws like Tim Tebow, and has no accuracy. I think Leinart is the more affordable and best QB on that team and he fits Knapps system much better than Palmer or Pryor. Leinart was in Knapps system for two years prior to coming to the Raiders, he deserves a shot not Pryor. I hope the Palmer days are over, what a disaster that trade was.

By: socalraider909

socalraider909 — Sun, 09 Dec 2012 10:09:13 +0000

I agree with the comment above trade him to the Jets Palmer is better than Mark and tebow they could use a veteran and as for Us (The Raiders) its time to move on

By: tdk24

tdk24 — Sun, 09 Dec 2012 09:53:31 +0000

I like Palmer, but trade him to the Vikings or something, but don’t let him walk and get nothing back.

By: hoodheisman

hoodheisman — Sun, 09 Dec 2012 09:18:12 +0000

I’d rather spend 13 million on Vick.

By: lawyermalloy

lawyermalloy — Sun, 09 Dec 2012 09:10:20 +0000

I think the Ravens have an even tougher decision to make on Joe Flacco; He’s a fee agent after the season. he wants “elite” money long term or they franchise him at a ridiculous sum.

By: thepancakebandit

thepancakebandit — Sun, 09 Dec 2012 08:41:32 +0000

What is the “tough decision?” He was a bad investment to begin with. Carson Palmer sucks, and has for years.

Seems an easy decision to me.

By: duncanthecat

duncanthecat — Sun, 09 Dec 2012 08:37:02 +0000

Usless who their QB is with the two tackles they have.

By: dangerousdave44

dangerousdave44 — Sun, 09 Dec 2012 08:20:10 +0000

If Pryor plays well, maybe move Palmer on. But if Pryor doesn’t look so good, there’s no way you move on the best QB on the roster, even at $13 million. I think Palmer would look much better with better support from better players anyway.

By: realskipbayless

realskipbayless — Sun, 09 Dec 2012 07:45:12 +0000

This is perfect. I hope Carson gets what he deserves. He’s nothin but a pick six throwin quitter at this point. I’ll take Andy Dalton any day over that quitter.

By: ErinAndrewsStopCallingMe

ErinAndrewsStopCallingMe — Sun, 09 Dec 2012 07:02:19 +0000

Dude it’s time to play Pryor, and this coming from a Broncos fan. Give us at least some (italics) competition.

By: grandpoopah

grandpoopah — Sun, 09 Dec 2012 06:55:06 +0000

Rod Graves on line 2.

By: lionsplayoffs

lionsplayoffs — Sun, 09 Dec 2012 06:20:39 +0000

Palmer hasn’t been terrible but this team is rudderless. They are incapable of winning right now. Even when they’re the better team they find a way to screw up games. Let Palmer walk and chance it with another rookie. It’ll be a lot cheaper while they rebuild.

By: raiderinva

raiderinva — Sun, 09 Dec 2012 06:13:51 +0000

Carson Palmer is color blind. If you actually watch the Raider games you are aware that all of the passing plays are 14 yards and in. If one goes longer Carson freelanced.

Some of the blame also has to fall on OC Greg Knapp. I did not like him the first time he was in Oakland as OC, and I am not happy that he is back. If you go for it on a 4th and inches and call an 8 yard pitch, you should be hanged.

Believe it or not the Raiders have an awesome D-line with a weak secondary and an up and coming LB core. The honest issue with the Raiders D is that they face 1, 2, or 3 and out multiple times a quarter. The D gets to the bench, sits down, and watches Palmer turn the ball over.

Carson Palmer is the NFL League MVP. No other player has helped more teams win.

By: rajbais

rajbais — Sun, 09 Dec 2012 05:43:47 +0000

Maybe he can be traded to Jacksonville for a third or fourth round pick. I do not believe that the Jacksonville Jaguars will fire Gene Smith, but their QB situation is a mess.

They have to be a run first football team in northern Florida, however, and he is better than Chad Henne or Blaine Gabbert. I state this because Carson Palmer is too interception-prone to be a 35+ Attempt/game QB and He needs to be in a situation where “less is more”. He can be a better option for Justin Blackmon and Cecil shorts And he will be reunited with OC Bob Bratkowski.

If this work to happen successfully Jacksonville will need to get an alternative running back to Maurice Jones Drew in case he gets hurt again.