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		<title>By: fluffy19</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 01:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: electionconfidential</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[electionconfidential]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 13:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The league just admitted it can&#039;t handle player discipline if the case makes it to court.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The league just admitted it can&#8217;t handle player discipline if the case makes it to court.</p>
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		<title>By: genericuser8888</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 01:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The whole ruling is designed to help out the NFL. 

1) The bounty players have no motivation to keep dragging out the appeals process and making the NFL&#039;s investigation look bad, to keep on dragging Goodell&#039;s name in the mud, etc.

2) The ruling says Goodell was justified in making the decisions he made, even if the punishments were too harsh.  This statement is designed to let Goodell save face and give him some defense in case the defamation case goes forward.

3) The players get off free.  The league lets Goodell save some face.  Sean Payton, the only party here without any clear legal recourse or union to help him, gets screwed and scapegoated again, when he probably had the least to do with the bounties of anyone involved.  


Goodell basically destroyed the Saints chances of hosting the superbowl in their home town.  I do believe the rumors that he and Payton personally don&#039;t like each other.  I can&#039;t think of any other realistic reason why Payton would be suspended for a full year for &quot;loss of institutional control&quot; when no other coach in history has gotten a suspension even close to what he got.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole ruling is designed to help out the NFL. </p>
<p>1) The bounty players have no motivation to keep dragging out the appeals process and making the NFL&#8217;s investigation look bad, to keep on dragging Goodell&#8217;s name in the mud, etc.</p>
<p>2) The ruling says Goodell was justified in making the decisions he made, even if the punishments were too harsh.  This statement is designed to let Goodell save face and give him some defense in case the defamation case goes forward.</p>
<p>3) The players get off free.  The league lets Goodell save some face.  Sean Payton, the only party here without any clear legal recourse or union to help him, gets screwed and scapegoated again, when he probably had the least to do with the bounties of anyone involved.  </p>
<p>Goodell basically destroyed the Saints chances of hosting the superbowl in their home town.  I do believe the rumors that he and Payton personally don&#8217;t like each other.  I can&#8217;t think of any other realistic reason why Payton would be suspended for a full year for &#8220;loss of institutional control&#8221; when no other coach in history has gotten a suspension even close to what he got.</p>
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		<title>By: phillyfanmatt</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 23:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think of it thus way. It&#039;s like when someone commits a crime, is found guilty and only gets probation as their sentence. That is basically what Tags is saying here. The evidence was there for the players to be considered guilty but their punishment did not fit what they did. The coaches and the organization on the other hand is far more guilty and their punishments stick.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think of it thus way. It&#8217;s like when someone commits a crime, is found guilty and only gets probation as their sentence. That is basically what Tags is saying here. The evidence was there for the players to be considered guilty but their punishment did not fit what they did. The coaches and the organization on the other hand is far more guilty and their punishments stick.</p>
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		<title>By: packerbadger</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[packerbadger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 21:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does Breese still need an explanation?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does Breese still need an explanation?</p>
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		<title>By: bigbadal21</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 20:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t believe so many people are trying to read so much in Tags statement.. The players were not vindicated. What he said was that it could not be proven that the coaching staff was not responsible for Bountygate. The coaches are basically the players boss. Although the players did things that were wrong they may have done them to stay in good graces with their &quot;bosses&quot; So it is his opinion that the players should be given some slack because it is  possible that they we coerced by management to perform in a manner that was not consistent with the rules.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe so many people are trying to read so much in Tags statement.. The players were not vindicated. What he said was that it could not be proven that the coaching staff was not responsible for Bountygate. The coaches are basically the players boss. Although the players did things that were wrong they may have done them to stay in good graces with their &#8220;bosses&#8221; So it is his opinion that the players should be given some slack because it is  possible that they we coerced by management to perform in a manner that was not consistent with the rules.</p>
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		<title>By: jessethegreat</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jessethegreat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 20:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Saints fans should feel gratified... Now they can get the rest of their team back in time for their playoff run]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saints fans should feel gratified&#8230; Now they can get the rest of their team back in time for their playoff run</p>
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		<title>By: conormacleod</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/11/tagliabue-vacates-all-player-discipline/#comment-2174685</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[conormacleod]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 20:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So many people calling for Goodell&#039;s head. But, is there hardly anybody outside of New Orleans that actually cares? I&#039;m a Vikings fan. I don&#039;t care about the Saints or Goodell. Goodell has simply made the NFL the best sport in America. Will things change in my life if he stays or goes? Hell no. I just want the Saints fans to shut up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So many people calling for Goodell&#8217;s head. But, is there hardly anybody outside of New Orleans that actually cares? I&#8217;m a Vikings fan. I don&#8217;t care about the Saints or Goodell. Goodell has simply made the NFL the best sport in America. Will things change in my life if he stays or goes? Hell no. I just want the Saints fans to shut up.</p>
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		<title>By: tincansailor981</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 20:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The players got off because the NFL never anticipated they&#039;d fight back.  Goody and his henchmen thought they&#039;d just accept whatever was dolled out without protest.  It helped that they have a players union that backed them 100%.  The coaches, on the other hand, have no such support and had to take what was given if they wanted to ever work in the league again.  The NFL&#039;s case fell apart and to save face, they went after those who could not defend themselves.  Goodell has made a mockery of the entire NFL.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The players got off because the NFL never anticipated they&#8217;d fight back.  Goody and his henchmen thought they&#8217;d just accept whatever was dolled out without protest.  It helped that they have a players union that backed them 100%.  The coaches, on the other hand, have no such support and had to take what was given if they wanted to ever work in the league again.  The NFL&#8217;s case fell apart and to save face, they went after those who could not defend themselves.  Goodell has made a mockery of the entire NFL.</p>
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		<title>By: mrobinson14</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 20:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow. Now that I think about it that way, I agree with tagliabue. Players should not have been punished.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Now that I think about it that way, I agree with tagliabue. Players should not have been punished.</p>
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		<title>By: flyer99</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/11/tagliabue-vacates-all-player-discipline/#comment-2174559</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[flyer99]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 19:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From Tag&#039;s statement:

&quot; I find there is more than enough evidence to support Commissioner Goodell&#039;s findings that Mr. Vilma offered such a bounty.&quot;

BUT, he also says...

&quot;Adding to the complexity, there is little evidence of the tone of any talk about a bounty before the Vikings game. Was any bounty pledged serious? Was it inspirational only? Was it typical &quot;trash talk&quot; that occurs regularly before and during games? The parties presented no clear answers. No witness could confirm whether Vilma had any money in his hands as he spoke; no evidence was presented that $10,000 was available to him for purposes of paying a bounty or otherwise. There was no evidence that Vilma or anyone else paid any money to any player for any bounty-related hit on an opposing player in the Vikings game.&quot;

Which is it, Tags?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Tag&#8217;s statement:</p>
<p>&#8221; I find there is more than enough evidence to support Commissioner Goodell&#8217;s findings that Mr. Vilma offered such a bounty.&#8221;</p>
<p>BUT, he also says&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Adding to the complexity, there is little evidence of the tone of any talk about a bounty before the Vikings game. Was any bounty pledged serious? Was it inspirational only? Was it typical &#8220;trash talk&#8221; that occurs regularly before and during games? The parties presented no clear answers. No witness could confirm whether Vilma had any money in his hands as he spoke; no evidence was presented that $10,000 was available to him for purposes of paying a bounty or otherwise. There was no evidence that Vilma or anyone else paid any money to any player for any bounty-related hit on an opposing player in the Vikings game.&#8221;</p>
<p>Which is it, Tags?</p>
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		<title>By: klownboy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[klownboy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 19:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Props to Tags for doing the right thing.  Screw Goodell...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Props to Tags for doing the right thing.  Screw Goodell&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: imodan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[imodan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 19:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[pettytom says:
Dec 11, 2012 1:42 PM
Now the NFL needs to give back the second round pick that they stole from us AND let Sean Payton resume his coaching duties. The witchhunt blew up in Goodell’s face.
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What part of &quot;“Tagliabue affirms factual findings of Commissioner Goodell concludes Hargrove, Smith, Vilma ‘engaged in conduct detrimental’ &quot; and “Unlike Saints’ broad organizational misconduct, player appeals involve sharply focused issues of alleged individual player misconduct in several different aspects.  My affirmation of Commissioner Goodell’s findings could certainly justify the issuance of fines. However, this entire case has been contaminated by the coaches and others in the Saints’ organization.”?  The organization broke the rules, case closed.  They deserved the loss of draft picks and such.  The players were found quilty too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pettytom says:<br />
Dec 11, 2012 1:42 PM<br />
Now the NFL needs to give back the second round pick that they stole from us AND let Sean Payton resume his coaching duties. The witchhunt blew up in Goodell’s face.<br />
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What part of &#8220;“Tagliabue affirms factual findings of Commissioner Goodell concludes Hargrove, Smith, Vilma ‘engaged in conduct detrimental’ &#8221; and “Unlike Saints’ broad organizational misconduct, player appeals involve sharply focused issues of alleged individual player misconduct in several different aspects.  My affirmation of Commissioner Goodell’s findings could certainly justify the issuance of fines. However, this entire case has been contaminated by the coaches and others in the Saints’ organization.”?  The organization broke the rules, case closed.  They deserved the loss of draft picks and such.  The players were found quilty too.</p>
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		<title>By: rafterman11</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rafterman11]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 19:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[besdayz,

Get over it. While all teams probably do it, the Saints got caught. Tag said he believes the charges are true, but the Saints lied, cheated and stole so much, that the entire case has become corrupted. That is a far cry from &quot;innocent&quot;. Don&#039;t hold your breath for that apology. The owners will probably give Goodell a raise this summer because he is doing what he is pid for - to keep the heat off of owners.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>besdayz,</p>
<p>Get over it. While all teams probably do it, the Saints got caught. Tag said he believes the charges are true, but the Saints lied, cheated and stole so much, that the entire case has become corrupted. That is a far cry from &#8220;innocent&#8221;. Don&#8217;t hold your breath for that apology. The owners will probably give Goodell a raise this summer because he is doing what he is pid for &#8211; to keep the heat off of owners.</p>
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		<title>By: bucrightoff</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bucrightoff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 19:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Remind me Saints fans, was it Roger Goodell who kept kicking to David Wilson Sunday, 60 yard return after 60 yard return? The Saints weren&#039;t making the Super Bowl this year no matter what, but now you can all claims the NFL screwed you. No, having a pathetic defense screwed you]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remind me Saints fans, was it Roger Goodell who kept kicking to David Wilson Sunday, 60 yard return after 60 yard return? The Saints weren&#8217;t making the Super Bowl this year no matter what, but now you can all claims the NFL screwed you. No, having a pathetic defense screwed you</p>
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		<title>By: rickc402</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 19:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since Tagliabue is around can he look into the relationship between Goodell and Mara, it may provide an &quot;unfair competitive advantage&quot; and the Giants may need to lose cap space or picks, since they decided this year to use the Saints, Redskins and Cowboys as the leagues whipping boys. Only the Raiders stood with these teams against this. I&#039;ve never seen three teams so intentionally crippled.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since Tagliabue is around can he look into the relationship between Goodell and Mara, it may provide an &#8220;unfair competitive advantage&#8221; and the Giants may need to lose cap space or picks, since they decided this year to use the Saints, Redskins and Cowboys as the leagues whipping boys. Only the Raiders stood with these teams against this. I&#8217;ve never seen three teams so intentionally crippled.</p>
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		<title>By: marthisdil</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[marthisdil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 19:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[YouMadCauseImStylingOnYou says: Dec 11, 2012 1:29 PM

So they have absolutely no conclusive evidence and basically nuked the Saints season because Goodell had some sort of personal vendetta against New Orleans?

I hope Vilma, Smith and Fujita sue the pants off Goodell.

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Reading comprehension...Tags says he agrees in principle that Goodell had proof that the players did what they were accused of, and should have been fined.

I hope Goodell now comes back and fines them an equal amount as if they had been suspended.  Vilma can give up a year&#039;s salary.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YouMadCauseImStylingOnYou says: Dec 11, 2012 1:29 PM</p>
<p>So they have absolutely no conclusive evidence and basically nuked the Saints season because Goodell had some sort of personal vendetta against New Orleans?</p>
<p>I hope Vilma, Smith and Fujita sue the pants off Goodell.</p>
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<p>Reading comprehension&#8230;Tags says he agrees in principle that Goodell had proof that the players did what they were accused of, and should have been fined.</p>
<p>I hope Goodell now comes back and fines them an equal amount as if they had been suspended.  Vilma can give up a year&#8217;s salary.</p>
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		<title>By: rockthered1286</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 19:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[cowboycjn says: 
Some people just don’t understand – The WHOLE reason the Saints players are playing so bad this season is BECAUSE of this mess. If anything now this thing will really get off the ground and watch the “chit hit the fan” when the fans lawsuit hits the NFL because if players were so wrong, why is nothing up-held?
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If you honestly belive that the reason they suck up one side and down the other this year is solely because of this bountygate debacle, then you my friend need to stop drinking the koolaid. I think it&#039;s fair to say their defense is TERRIBLE and teams have finally figured out how to stop an offense with a great QB, good wideouts, and a makeshift backfield. I think the timing is ironic, but there&#039;s no way you can chalk this season up to &quot;well it&#039;s all because of this bountygate thing.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cowboycjn says:<br />
Some people just don’t understand – The WHOLE reason the Saints players are playing so bad this season is BECAUSE of this mess. If anything now this thing will really get off the ground and watch the “chit hit the fan” when the fans lawsuit hits the NFL because if players were so wrong, why is nothing up-held?<br />
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If you honestly belive that the reason they suck up one side and down the other this year is solely because of this bountygate debacle, then you my friend need to stop drinking the koolaid. I think it&#8217;s fair to say their defense is TERRIBLE and teams have finally figured out how to stop an offense with a great QB, good wideouts, and a makeshift backfield. I think the timing is ironic, but there&#8217;s no way you can chalk this season up to &#8220;well it&#8217;s all because of this bountygate thing.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: hor2012</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hor2012]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 19:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[p31squared

I don&#039;t know what team you&#039;re a fan of. But,if it was you team that was wronged I&#039;m not sure you would be in such a hurry to move on]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p31squared</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what team you&#8217;re a fan of. But,if it was you team that was wronged I&#8217;m not sure you would be in such a hurry to move on</p>
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		<title>By: marthisdil</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 19:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;sadskinsfan89 says: Dec 11, 2012 1:28 PM

Now Goddell has got to go. It was all a sham. He cannot just get awsy with this.&lt;/i&gt;

Why?  Tags agreed that Goodell had proof enough to punish the players.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>sadskinsfan89 says: Dec 11, 2012 1:28 PM</p>
<p>Now Goddell has got to go. It was all a sham. He cannot just get awsy with this.</i></p>
<p>Why?  Tags agreed that Goodell had proof enough to punish the players.</p>
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		<title>By: besdayz</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/11/tagliabue-vacates-all-player-discipline/#comment-2174443</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[besdayz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 19:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This completely invalidates the entire case on the players and coaches and against the team no matter what face saving comment Tags made.


When you don&#039;t have evidence to prove the bounty program existed, how can you even punish the team. 

The order of justice is wrong.  

This is a phony sham.

Saints should be given back draft pick and given an extra one and a formal apology by the league.

They should also demand RG resigns.  Or puts a samurai sword in his own belly for his shame.

All this says is if you have a fair legal system where the accused can defend themselves, you tend to get justice.  How can you hold up the coach and team penalties when they didn&#039;t have such rights?

I predict two things.

The league will go into a tailspin until they end RGs reign.

RG will not make it thru the Superbowl as commissioner.  Either he is fired or is capped in new orleans.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This completely invalidates the entire case on the players and coaches and against the team no matter what face saving comment Tags made.</p>
<p>When you don&#8217;t have evidence to prove the bounty program existed, how can you even punish the team. </p>
<p>The order of justice is wrong.  </p>
<p>This is a phony sham.</p>
<p>Saints should be given back draft pick and given an extra one and a formal apology by the league.</p>
<p>They should also demand RG resigns.  Or puts a samurai sword in his own belly for his shame.</p>
<p>All this says is if you have a fair legal system where the accused can defend themselves, you tend to get justice.  How can you hold up the coach and team penalties when they didn&#8217;t have such rights?</p>
<p>I predict two things.</p>
<p>The league will go into a tailspin until they end RGs reign.</p>
<p>RG will not make it thru the Superbowl as commissioner.  Either he is fired or is capped in new orleans.</p>
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		<title>By: rockthered1286</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/11/tagliabue-vacates-all-player-discipline/#comment-2174439</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 19:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[YouMadCauseImStylingOnYou says: 
Dec 11, 2012 1:29 PM 
So they have absolutely no conclusive evidence and basically nuked the Saints season because Goodell had some sort of personal vendetta against New Orleans?
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Thank you for further perpetuating the steroetype of Saints fans being paranoid conspiracy theorists, but you&#039;re off base here with this one. Based on this little quote, Tags is basically saying that the Saints did have an illegal operation going on behind the scenes, BUT Goddell was wrong to suspend a few individual players, when clearly the bigger issue was with ownership and coaching, which is why they are not having their suspensions lifted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YouMadCauseImStylingOnYou says:<br />
Dec 11, 2012 1:29 PM<br />
So they have absolutely no conclusive evidence and basically nuked the Saints season because Goodell had some sort of personal vendetta against New Orleans?<br />
____________________________<br />
Thank you for further perpetuating the steroetype of Saints fans being paranoid conspiracy theorists, but you&#8217;re off base here with this one. Based on this little quote, Tags is basically saying that the Saints did have an illegal operation going on behind the scenes, BUT Goddell was wrong to suspend a few individual players, when clearly the bigger issue was with ownership and coaching, which is why they are not having their suspensions lifted.</p>
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		<title>By: nflfan555</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/11/tagliabue-vacates-all-player-discipline/#comment-2174433</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nflfan555]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 19:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And why do we care about a NONplayoff team. The Saints are irrelevant !!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And why do we care about a NONplayoff team. The Saints are irrelevant !!!!</p>
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		<title>By: rafterman11</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/11/tagliabue-vacates-all-player-discipline/#comment-2174401</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rafterman11]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 19:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fire Goodell? Wow, you guys are really naive. Roger Goodell is doing EXACTLY what the owners want him to do - take the heat for them on just about every issue, and not just Bountygate.

If the owners thought Goodell was doing a bad job, he would have been fired already.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fire Goodell? Wow, you guys are really naive. Roger Goodell is doing EXACTLY what the owners want him to do &#8211; take the heat for them on just about every issue, and not just Bountygate.</p>
<p>If the owners thought Goodell was doing a bad job, he would have been fired already.</p>
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		<title>By: 8to80texansblog</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/11/tagliabue-vacates-all-player-discipline/#comment-2174400</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[8to80texansblog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 19:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hate BountyGate...
Can we please stop talking about it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate BountyGate&#8230;<br />
Can we please stop talking about it?</p>
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		<title>By: granadafan</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/11/tagliabue-vacates-all-player-discipline/#comment-2174395</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[granadafan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 19:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, what about the coaches now?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, what about the coaches now?</p>
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		<title>By: chattanola</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/11/tagliabue-vacates-all-player-discipline/#comment-2174391</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chattanola]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 19:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great job by Tagliabue of walking a tightrope.  Given his &quot;conflict of interest&quot; he gave the best resolution that he could possibly give.

Goodell is safe from a defamation suit from Benson, Lumis, and Payton.  But, the genie is out of the bottle where Vilma is concerned and the suit will not be withdrawn. 

I know we all wish this would go away, but if these allegations were made against me, I would ride the train all the way into the station for the sake of my defense.  The only way I&#039;d drop the suit now would be if Goodell came out and made a public apology.  He could still do this in a face-saving way and come out looking all the better for it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great job by Tagliabue of walking a tightrope.  Given his &#8220;conflict of interest&#8221; he gave the best resolution that he could possibly give.</p>
<p>Goodell is safe from a defamation suit from Benson, Lumis, and Payton.  But, the genie is out of the bottle where Vilma is concerned and the suit will not be withdrawn. </p>
<p>I know we all wish this would go away, but if these allegations were made against me, I would ride the train all the way into the station for the sake of my defense.  The only way I&#8217;d drop the suit now would be if Goodell came out and made a public apology.  He could still do this in a face-saving way and come out looking all the better for it.</p>
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		<title>By: osiris33</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/11/tagliabue-vacates-all-player-discipline/#comment-2174387</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[osiris33]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 19:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now, if only we could vacate Roger Goodell.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, if only we could vacate Roger Goodell.</p>
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		<title>By: upperdecker19</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/11/tagliabue-vacates-all-player-discipline/#comment-2174373</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[upperdecker19]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 19:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This almost makes the hockey commisioner appear competent in comparison.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This almost makes the hockey commisioner appear competent in comparison.</p>
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		<title>By: cowboycjn</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/11/tagliabue-vacates-all-player-discipline/#comment-2174365</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cowboycjn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 19:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[smcgaels1997 says:Dec 11, 2012 1:55 PM 
Villa didn’t win, he may play but he agreed there was wrongdoing that justified fines.. So no Vilma didn’t get proven to do nothing wrong
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Vilma&#039;s wrongdoing is the exact same thing that every other of the 31 teams have been doing also. 
So the words you printed are YOUR opinion - in reality if they did so wrong why could they not up-hold the suspensions - apparently it wasn&#039;t all that bad huh???????????]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>smcgaels1997 says:Dec 11, 2012 1:55 PM<br />
Villa didn’t win, he may play but he agreed there was wrongdoing that justified fines.. So no Vilma didn’t get proven to do nothing wrong<br />
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Vilma&#8217;s wrongdoing is the exact same thing that every other of the 31 teams have been doing also.<br />
So the words you printed are YOUR opinion &#8211; in reality if they did so wrong why could they not up-hold the suspensions &#8211; apparently it wasn&#8217;t all that bad huh???????????</p>
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