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	<title>Comments on: Tagliabue&#8217;s ruling doesn&#8217;t undermine Vilma&#8217;s defamation case</title>
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		<title>By: wiley16350</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/12/tagliabues-ruling-doesnt-undermine-vilmas-defamation-case/#comment-2176334</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 15:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, at this point, nobody insists he did. Gregg Williams and Mike Cerullo both retracted their statements that Vilma or anybody offered any money. Jimmy Kennedy says any talks of a bounty is a lie on the part of Goodell. 28 different Saints players and coaches have also testified in federal court under penalty of perjury that there was no bounty.

The only person involved in this whole mess that still says there was a bounty is Goodell, and as we can all see at this point, his credibility is hovering right around zero.
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Where did you get this information?  Taglibue came to the same conclusion as Goodell in that Vilma did in fact offer $10,000 for injury to Favre.  He stated that both Cerullo and Williams testified to that fact.  He also stated that Cerullo and Williams were more credible than Vilma. Maybe you should actually read Taglibue&#039;s report.  The reasons Taglibue let Vilma off was because there is no evidence that Vilma actually paid the $10,000 (which is pointless since Favre remained in the game til the end, therefore no payout was expected) and because he holds the coaches as responsible for allowing and encouraging the behavior.  The only difference in Taglibue&#039;s and Goodell&#039;s decisons is that Taglibue feels the coaches and management are the ones that deserve the punishments and not the players.  Taglibue also felt that Goodell should have basically warned players that this type of behavior is not acceptable and severe penalties will result in any future cases and not been so harsh in this case to make his point.  Those are the only differences.  Taglibue didn&#039;t clear the Saints of any wrong doing.  He confirmed everything Goodell accused the Saints of, he just didn&#039;t agree with the way Goodell went about imposing penalties and the penalties he imposed on the players.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, at this point, nobody insists he did. Gregg Williams and Mike Cerullo both retracted their statements that Vilma or anybody offered any money. Jimmy Kennedy says any talks of a bounty is a lie on the part of Goodell. 28 different Saints players and coaches have also testified in federal court under penalty of perjury that there was no bounty.</p>
<p>The only person involved in this whole mess that still says there was a bounty is Goodell, and as we can all see at this point, his credibility is hovering right around zero.<br />
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Where did you get this information?  Taglibue came to the same conclusion as Goodell in that Vilma did in fact offer $10,000 for injury to Favre.  He stated that both Cerullo and Williams testified to that fact.  He also stated that Cerullo and Williams were more credible than Vilma. Maybe you should actually read Taglibue&#8217;s report.  The reasons Taglibue let Vilma off was because there is no evidence that Vilma actually paid the $10,000 (which is pointless since Favre remained in the game til the end, therefore no payout was expected) and because he holds the coaches as responsible for allowing and encouraging the behavior.  The only difference in Taglibue&#8217;s and Goodell&#8217;s decisons is that Taglibue feels the coaches and management are the ones that deserve the punishments and not the players.  Taglibue also felt that Goodell should have basically warned players that this type of behavior is not acceptable and severe penalties will result in any future cases and not been so harsh in this case to make his point.  Those are the only differences.  Taglibue didn&#8217;t clear the Saints of any wrong doing.  He confirmed everything Goodell accused the Saints of, he just didn&#8217;t agree with the way Goodell went about imposing penalties and the penalties he imposed on the players.</p>
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		<title>By: mdd913</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 13:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For Vilma’s defamation case, none of this matters.  He insists he didn’t make the offer, others insist he did,

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Actually, at this point, nobody insists he did. Gregg Williams and Mike Cerullo both retracted their statements that Vilma or anybody offered any money. Jimmy Kennedy says any talks of a bounty is a lie on the part of Goodell. 28 different Saints players and coaches have also testified in federal court under penalty of perjury that there was no bounty.

The only person involved in this whole mess that still says there was a bounty is Goodell, and as we can all see at this point, his credibility is hovering right around zero.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Vilma’s defamation case, none of this matters.  He insists he didn’t make the offer, others insist he did,</p>
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<p>Actually, at this point, nobody insists he did. Gregg Williams and Mike Cerullo both retracted their statements that Vilma or anybody offered any money. Jimmy Kennedy says any talks of a bounty is a lie on the part of Goodell. 28 different Saints players and coaches have also testified in federal court under penalty of perjury that there was no bounty.</p>
<p>The only person involved in this whole mess that still says there was a bounty is Goodell, and as we can all see at this point, his credibility is hovering right around zero.</p>
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		<title>By: wiley16350</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/12/tagliabues-ruling-doesnt-undermine-vilmas-defamation-case/#comment-2176022</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 13:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Vilma is using the fact that he never gave the $10,000 to anybody as his defense that he never meant to give the $10,000.  The problem is, Favre finished the game and never got carted off, which meant he didn&#039;t have to pay the money out.  So we&#039;ll never actually know Vilma&#039;s true intent.  I&#039;m guessing that if a player did knock Favre out of the game, they would have expected the money.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vilma is using the fact that he never gave the $10,000 to anybody as his defense that he never meant to give the $10,000.  The problem is, Favre finished the game and never got carted off, which meant he didn&#8217;t have to pay the money out.  So we&#8217;ll never actually know Vilma&#8217;s true intent.  I&#8217;m guessing that if a player did knock Favre out of the game, they would have expected the money.</p>
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		<title>By: atwatercrushesokoye</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I may be mistaken but didn&#039;t Vilma come out right after the initial suspensions and say something along the lines of him not actually intending to pay the cash to anyone?  Wouldn&#039;t that imply that he made the statements and wouldn&#039;t that exonerate Goodell?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may be mistaken but didn&#8217;t Vilma come out right after the initial suspensions and say something along the lines of him not actually intending to pay the cash to anyone?  Wouldn&#8217;t that imply that he made the statements and wouldn&#8217;t that exonerate Goodell?</p>
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		<title>By: spfreak</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Certainly enough evidence?  Okay.  But the thing I can&#039;t get away from in this ruling is that: you do the crime, don&#039;t you have to do the time??  If enough evidence&#039; was there to uphold it, then why not uphold it?  Fact is, legally, Vilma&#039;s in the driver&#039;s seat now or else some degree of punishment should have been upheld, even so much as a $1 fine.   It&#039;s the principle.  Vacating all just upped Vilma&#039;s cause and I&#039;ll bet a week&#039;s pay, a settlement check is coming his way.  Truth is that Goodell was quick to jump, he and the NFL knows it, or else they would not have reached out to Vilma on two or three occasions to try and have him drop his suit.  Right or wrong, I&#039;m just going with the news that&#039;s out there... looks to be in Vilma&#039;s favor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certainly enough evidence?  Okay.  But the thing I can&#8217;t get away from in this ruling is that: you do the crime, don&#8217;t you have to do the time??  If enough evidence&#8217; was there to uphold it, then why not uphold it?  Fact is, legally, Vilma&#8217;s in the driver&#8217;s seat now or else some degree of punishment should have been upheld, even so much as a $1 fine.   It&#8217;s the principle.  Vacating all just upped Vilma&#8217;s cause and I&#8217;ll bet a week&#8217;s pay, a settlement check is coming his way.  Truth is that Goodell was quick to jump, he and the NFL knows it, or else they would not have reached out to Vilma on two or three occasions to try and have him drop his suit.  Right or wrong, I&#8217;m just going with the news that&#8217;s out there&#8230; looks to be in Vilma&#8217;s favor.</p>
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		<title>By: 6thsense79</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reading Tags snippet shows just how much of a blowhard Goodell is.  A lot of fans from the jump were troubled with the disconnect between penalties or fines for illegal on field conduct for the Saints and what they were being punished for.  Now Tags layed out what should have been considered from the go.  If this &quot;bounty&quot; system was so widespread then where are the bodies?   The Saints were one of the least penalized teams in the league in terms of illegal hits during that span.  When news first broke they were operating a &quot;bounty &quot; system I was shocked because from their on field play I never would have guessed it.  Now if to had told me the Ravens or Steelers were accused of something like this I would be like I can see that based on what I&#039;ve seen on field.  Don&#039;t flame me too hard Ravens and Steelers fans I still would have wanted the league to provide hard evidence and even if they did I still think the suspensions would have gone too far.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading Tags snippet shows just how much of a blowhard Goodell is.  A lot of fans from the jump were troubled with the disconnect between penalties or fines for illegal on field conduct for the Saints and what they were being punished for.  Now Tags layed out what should have been considered from the go.  If this &#8220;bounty&#8221; system was so widespread then where are the bodies?   The Saints were one of the least penalized teams in the league in terms of illegal hits during that span.  When news first broke they were operating a &#8220;bounty &#8221; system I was shocked because from their on field play I never would have guessed it.  Now if to had told me the Ravens or Steelers were accused of something like this I would be like I can see that based on what I&#8217;ve seen on field.  Don&#8217;t flame me too hard Ravens and Steelers fans I still would have wanted the league to provide hard evidence and even if they did I still think the suspensions would have gone too far.</p>
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		<title>By: soitgoes37</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 11:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mike,

It would be useful for non-lawyers to expand on the standard for defamation that applies to public figures.

Because Vilma would very likely be considered a &quot;public figure,&quot; he would have to show that Goodell acted with &quot;actual malice.&quot; That means he knew the statements (saying Vilma made these offers) were false, or was incredibly reckless in ascertaining the truth of those statements.

It wouldn&#039;t even be enough if Vilma proved that he did not, in fact, actually offer money for injuries. He&#039;d have to prove that Goodell knew that he didn&#039;t make those statements, or reckless in ascertaining their truth. It&#039;ll be hard to do that after Tagliabue steps in and says there was certainly enough evidence to uphold it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>It would be useful for non-lawyers to expand on the standard for defamation that applies to public figures.</p>
<p>Because Vilma would very likely be considered a &#8220;public figure,&#8221; he would have to show that Goodell acted with &#8220;actual malice.&#8221; That means he knew the statements (saying Vilma made these offers) were false, or was incredibly reckless in ascertaining the truth of those statements.</p>
<p>It wouldn&#8217;t even be enough if Vilma proved that he did not, in fact, actually offer money for injuries. He&#8217;d have to prove that Goodell knew that he didn&#8217;t make those statements, or reckless in ascertaining their truth. It&#8217;ll be hard to do that after Tagliabue steps in and says there was certainly enough evidence to uphold it.</p>
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