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Fleener says Luck is the MVP


In 16 days, the 50 Associated Press voters will cast their ballots for a litany of postseason awards.  As AP voter Tom Curran told PFT Live earlier this week, the rules essentially are there are no rules.

And so when deciding on the Most Valuable Player in the NFL, the voters will be left to their own devices as they pick a potential winner from a crowded field of candidates.

Good luck with that.

Colts tight end Coby Fleener has a suggestion.  He thinks his college and NFL teammate, Andrew Luck, should win the award.

“You can look at the year that they had last year at the Colts, rough year to say the least,” Fleener told Erik Kuselias of Pro Football Talk on Thursday.  “To be a playoff contender and have the opportunity to win the division I think is enough said not to mention the game winning drives and all the accolades and stuff like that.”

Some (especially Kuselias) agree with Fleener.  Others have a hard time getting past No. 12’s current 18-18 touchdown-interception totals.

Regardless of which guy a given voter picks, it won’t be an easy choice, barring the clear emergence of a consensus candidate in the final three weeks of the season.

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49 Responses to “Fleener says Luck is the MVP”
  1. devildog911 says: Dec 14, 2012 7:24 PM

    MVP? How about Luck for president. Go Colts!

  2. yelix says: Dec 14, 2012 7:25 PM

    He doesn’t deserve it from a statistical point of view, but that team wouldn’t be anywhere near the playoffs without him.

  3. chesslungo says: Dec 14, 2012 7:25 PM

    What would a rookie know about an MVP race? I sorry but Luck is wildly inconsistent. Should be an MVP candidate in 2022, hes not even the ROY of 2012

  4. gweez76 says: Dec 14, 2012 7:32 PM

    Someone should tell that guy that leading comeback after you’ve thrown interceptions doesn’t make you MVP.

    Anymore than an arsonsist putting out his own fires makes him a Hero.

  5. thestrategyexpert says: Dec 14, 2012 7:35 PM

    No rules? Aww man!!

    You mean we can’t have a team of blind ignorant zebras tell us what they think based upon their interpretations of an archaic rulebook they do not understand and then have their decision overseen and governed by even more incompetent people to overrule them and tell us a made up lie about what didn’t happen this season?

    But that’s not how decide the games on the field!

  6. bh83 says: Dec 14, 2012 7:42 PM

    I initially thought Fleener was crazy, but the more I think about what MVP means the more it makes sense.

  7. jkjdawg1 says: Dec 14, 2012 7:42 PM

    The “V” in MVP is for “valuable.” So who’s the most valuable? what player could their team least afford to lose? could the Broncos win without Peyton? Probably not as much, but their defense, RBs and WRs would keep them competitive, even with an average QB. Adrian Peterson? Vikings are pretty average with or without him. He can put up almost 200 yards a game consistently and they lose more than they win.

    As hard as it is to consider a rookie for this award, i have to agree with Fleener. Would the Colts be anywhere even close to a shot at the playoffs without him? Not a chance. Hell, they have a shot at the division with 3 weeks to go. They were 2-14 last year!!!

    He may not have the best numbers, but the award is not “best statistical player,” it’s “most VALUABLE player.” If you want to make an award for best stats, then that’s cool. But in my opinion, Luck should be (or at LEAST deserves to be considered for) the MVP.

  8. bleedburgandyandgold says: Dec 14, 2012 7:49 PM

    Being the hardcore Skins fan that I am I want to say RG3! But to be honest I will be happy if he gets ROTY and if P.Manning got MVP. He’s had one hell of year all things considered.

  9. pastabelly says: Dec 14, 2012 7:53 PM

    Nope, he really shouldn’t be rookie of the year either and he’s been outplayed by RG3 and Wilson.

  10. ilovefoolsball says: Dec 14, 2012 7:54 PM

    It’s kind of hard to disagree I mean look how much they sucked last year. If not the MVP at least the rookie MVP.
    Griffin, as great as he is, has a better team (or at least that’s what we thought) and is running a very college style offense.
    Not only that but Luck is more advanced when it comes to reading coverage.

    Also throw in that Griffin apparently isn’t an authentic black and it’s obvious that Luck is the winner because he’s authentically white.

  11. jswheeler says: Dec 14, 2012 7:56 PM

    Luck will most likely win at least one MVP one of these years.

    This year will not be one of those years.

    Brady, Ryan, Foster, Rogers, have had good years and will be at the head of the voting choices.

  12. themagicman1223 says: Dec 14, 2012 8:09 PM

    This is pretty funny, he will probably win an MVP in his career but not now. You can’t have that many interceptions and win the MVP.

  13. xxakshunxx says: Dec 14, 2012 8:15 PM

    Player thinks his teammate should win MVP.. This is breaking news right here

  14. jh500 says: Dec 14, 2012 8:23 PM

    Luck is 31st in the league with a passer rating of 74.5. He’s leading the league in both interceptions and total turnovers ( and dropped interceptions. He’s also 33rd in the league in completion % (54.9). Definetly MVP!

    Honestly, he is playing the same way Tim Tebow played last year. Puts his defense in bad spots, turns the ball over, plays terribly for 3 quarters, and somehow finds a way to win (only God knows how).

  15. geewhiz23 says: Dec 14, 2012 8:39 PM

    Texans need Brooks back in time for playoffs. He was a good stand in/band-aide for Cushing. Need him to help get the secondary honoring their coverage the way they want to.

  16. j0esixpack says: Dec 14, 2012 9:20 PM

    Yes, by all means, look at last year when the Colts were purposefully losing games in order to secure a franchise QB for the next 15 years.

    Let’s reward that cheating further by giving them the MVP for Luck, who, when compared to a team purposefully losing, looks all the better

  17. apmn says: Dec 14, 2012 9:21 PM

    It’s hard to say how much Luck’s presence has improved the team over last year since they intentionally tanked it last year.

  18. bolts0621 says: Dec 14, 2012 9:27 PM

    Not a chance…Luck isn’t even a top 5 QB this year – I’d take Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Griffin and Wilsons year(s) ahead of Luck…he’s an interception machine – the only reason he’s had do many comebacks is he is constantly digging holes for his team

    He ultimately may well end up better than Griffin or Wildon down the road – but he is a step behind both at this stage

  19. peytonsneck18 says: Dec 14, 2012 9:54 PM

    Sounds like a bunch of bitter folks on here

  20. jwreck says: Dec 14, 2012 10:09 PM

    ilovefoolsball says: Dec 14, 2012 7:54 PM

    It’s kind of hard to disagree I mean look how much they sucked last year. If not the MVP at least the rookie MVP.
    Griffin, as great as he is, has a better team (or at least that’s what we thought) and is running a very college style offense.
    Not only that but Luck is more advanced when it comes to reading coverage.

    Also throw in that Griffin apparently isn’t an authentic black and it’s obvious that Luck is the winner because he’s authentically white.
    I disagree with every one of your football related points (if he’s so much better at reading coverage, how come he leads the league in interceptions, while Griffin has the least of all starting quarterbacks?), but your last line cracked me up so bad I had no choice but to give you a thumbs up.

  21. strokeytheclown says: Dec 14, 2012 10:11 PM

    Let’s be honest here. Griffin is going to get ROY for no other reason than the fact he is getting the most press. If he had stunk, he still would have gotten it. It’s not about stats anymore, it’s about camera time. Say what you will.

  22. hitdog042 says: Dec 14, 2012 10:22 PM

    Then Andy Dalton was MVP of 2011. Keep talking Fleener.

  23. bluvayner says: Dec 14, 2012 10:31 PM

    I’m glad that we have a rookie who’s been injured for half the season to tell us all who the MVP is…..even if he isn’t.

    But then again, he is from Stanford, and Stanford guys are always right ……….right?

    There’s an old saying …..rookies should be seen and not heard!

  24. tabdanger says: Dec 14, 2012 10:36 PM

    P. Manning is the MVP, but more than anyone else Brady is the 1 player who means the most to his team. And he has the stats along with wins to show he is MVP. I just think Manning wins because the Broncos are vastly improved and he even has Moreno looking like an actual NFL running back.
    But is All Day Peterson breaks Dickerson’s record (Not likely) then he will win in a landslide. And take Comeback Player of the Year from P. Manning. Luck is doing better than expected though.

  25. pgh15212 says: Dec 14, 2012 10:39 PM

    Tom Brady…thank you and goodnight

  26. rg3andout says: Dec 14, 2012 10:40 PM

    Luck is better than R “wayne brady”G3

  27. rg3andout says: Dec 14, 2012 10:43 PM

    folks on here…..bitter much?

  28. denverwally says: Dec 14, 2012 10:43 PM

    Geez, imagine how valuable Luck would be if he didn’t turn the ball over to the other team 24 times all by himself. (Counting fumbles lost). That’s 24 extra posessions he gave the other team. That’s not very valuable to your teams success.
    Put that in your pipe and smoke it Fleener.

  29. ufanforreal says: Dec 14, 2012 10:44 PM

    bolts0621 says: Dec 14, 2012 9:27 PM

    Not a chance…Luck isn’t even a top 5 QB this year – I’d take Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Griffin and Wilsons year(s) ahead of Luck…he’s an interception machine – the only reason he’s had do many comebacks is he is constantly digging holes for his team

    He ultimately may well end up better than Griffin or Wildon down the road – but he is a step behind both at this stage

    Put Griffin under center for the Colts, he would be killed. Luck doing a lot more with a lot less of a team.

  30. coltsluckdynasty says: Dec 14, 2012 10:45 PM

    1: rookie passing record- luck
    2: most passing yards in a game by rookie-luck
    3: most wins ever by a rookie quarterback drafted 1st-luck
    4: leads the league in come from behind wins-luck
    5: took a 2-14 team to the playoffs in one year-luck
    6: Peyton manning threw 28 interceptions in his rookie year
    Pretty impressive records to be broken, but he isn’t better than Wilson, who isn’t even a top 25 quarterback, he’s not even the best quarterback on the hawks. Rg3 is amazing, no doubt, but everyone said that rg3 would be way more successful because he has the better team this year. Where’s that at? Trust me when I say, luck will have a much better career than anyone of the QB’s drafted this year. I don’t even think Russell Wilson has any business being an NFL quarterback! He is horrible, without lynch and that defense, he would be another Sam Bradford. Luck will win many MVPs, and multiple superbowls, while rg3 can be a stat machine all he wants. Same story about cam, too bad in one year luck has won as many games as cam has in 2 years. But yeah, he’s not MVP, or ROTY worthy… People who talk sometimes should really think about what they are saying. Luck is hands down a top 6 quarterback right now, even making “rookie” mistakes.

  31. diablito0402 says: Dec 14, 2012 11:03 PM

    you all crazy, the reason Luck has many interceptions is because they gave him an entire playbook, and throws it about 45 times a game. they dont babysit Luck like rg3. running a mediocre college offense in the NFL. Luck is + 7 wins and counting, redskins on pace to same mediocre season as last year with rg3. enough said…..

  32. ddesmarais3 says: Dec 14, 2012 11:30 PM

    He makes a good point either how far the colts have come but its not necessarily fair to base the decision solely on that since most other candidates were on their teams last year. if you took Brady out and had mallett starting they would be in the 2-14 range, same with osweiler starting over manning. But sadly MVP has changed to best statistical season rather than valuable or Manning would have won it last year.

  33. timb12 says: Dec 14, 2012 11:59 PM

    These comments would mean more if Fleener played on the colts last year. He doesn’t know what it was like. Maybe it has to do with the coaching change. Luck is good, and the colts are exceeding expectations because of him, but I would hold off on the MVP.

  34. cannonballdookie says: Dec 15, 2012 12:13 AM

    that’s cute but that would also make a total mockery out of the award.

    if anyone should be named MVP of the Colts it should be Coach Arians or the schedule makers for giving them such a cupcake schedule.

  35. anarchopurplism says: Dec 15, 2012 12:38 AM

    ROTY = Luck

    AD = MVP…..if the Vikes make the playoffs, otherwise its Peyton Manning

  36. realskipbayless says: Dec 15, 2012 12:54 AM

    Peyton or AP deserve it in my opinion and whichever one doesn’t win it should get comeback player of the year.

  37. swaggyy says: Dec 15, 2012 1:08 AM

    LOL. Wait wait wait. The same Andrew Luck who has completed 54% of his passes and has 28 turn overs? The colts were in a lot of close games last year and things didn’t go their way. Things are going their way this year, but I’m sorry, Luck is no where near MVP talk and I dint understand the pro bowl votes either. Yeah, he’s going to be a great QB, but THIS season he has not been. He’s not even the best rookie at his position. How could the 3rd best QB in his own rookie class win MVP? Plus their schedule is a joke. Come play some real football up in Seattle ya goober. I’d love to see you get picked off by Sherman a few times.

  38. toonsterwu says: Dec 15, 2012 1:47 AM

    As someone who is partial to the Redskins, I want to challenge the notion that RG3 has had a better season than Luck. First off, let me get a few things out of the way.

    a) Both RG3, Luck, Russell Wilson, AND even Ryan Tannehill have had solid to great rookie seasons.

    b) No way is Luck MVP. No way. I love his potential, but if you want to use valuable as the key factor, and not who is best, I would argue that Tom Brady is easily the most valuable player. We’ve seen OC’s come and go there, and the offense keeps humming. Sure, McDaniels has made some changes this time around, but look at the personnel around Tom. A slot receiver, and inconsistent deep receiver, 2 amazing TE’s that have both been banged up this year. The OL might actually be a bit under-rated, but you put Ryan Mallett in there, and I’m not at all confident the Patriots are anywhere near that good.

    I admittedly haven’t seen enough of Russell Wilson or Ryan Tannehill to venture into discussions on their rookie season. But on this notion that RG3’s season has been easily better, I would challenge that.

    a) Luck is running a much tougher offense on the QB. This is no knock on Arians schemes, but we somehow have gotten to the stage where we think a spread offense is easy on the QB. The Shanahan’s have done a fabulous job of scheming, limiting the reads. As the season has progressed, they’ve gotten a bit more complex. From the get-go, Luck has been thrown the book and told to run a fairly complicated passing attack.

    b) RG3’s supporting cast is far better than Luck’s. The Colts have a weak run game. Vick Ballard and Donald Brown are both under 4 ypc. A QB’s best friend is still a strong run game, and while part of that may be attributed to the design of Arians offense, they simply don’t have that much talent there at RB. Alfred Morris has proven to be a stud workhorse, and Evan Royster is a solid backup.

    The Redskins OL is better. Trent Williams has been an absolute beast this year. I would even argue that the Redskins receivers are a touch better, but that’s a bit more debatable. At the very least, with a healthy Pierre Garcon, the receivers are close. TY Hilton and Donnie Avery fit what Arians wants at receiver, but I don’t buy that they are necessarily better than Santana, Josh Morgan, and Leonard Hankerson. The Colts do have two excellent young TE’s.


    This isn’t meant to bash RG3 or overly praise Luck. He has thrown his fair share of interceptions. That said, having watched both this year, I’m just not sure why some of the above comments suggest that RG3 has had a much better year. Based on the total package of responsibility and performance, I would tend to lean to Luck as having had the better rookie season, but at the very least, it’s close.

  39. coltzfan166 says: Dec 15, 2012 2:26 AM

    Put stats aside and think “most valuable.” Yeah Luck probably actually is the “most valuable” guy in the league.

  40. lawyermalloy says: Dec 15, 2012 6:32 AM

    I hate he voting process for these awards, it’s so subjective in the minds of the writers who vote.
    As an example, you could be the best player in the league but pissed off some voters for NOT cooperating in interviews………result……… ney vote for MVP. It’s somewhat annoying!

  41. glowingstone says: Dec 15, 2012 7:55 AM

    We can talk about Rookie of the Year (although that’s good debate fodder as well), but MVP? Not a chance, IMO. My vote (as if I get one… heh heh) for that goes to Peyton Manning.

  42. S.Nevada says: Dec 15, 2012 8:37 AM


    Most Valuable Neck Beard

  43. stewart09 says: Dec 15, 2012 10:00 AM

    stats win MVP so lucks not gonna get it he’ll prob get 1-2 votes maybe but P.Manning or Brady are gonna be MVP their stats speak for themselves

    Manning’s 30td-10int 68.3%completions 3812 yards
    Brady’s 29td-4int 64.4% completions 3833 yards
    lucks 18td-18int 54.9% completions 3792 yards

    Matt ryan , Aaron rodgers, Andy dalton and drew brees all have better stats than luck. OROY isn’t even a certain for luck vs RG3 and wilson.

  44. ddogdaddy says: Dec 15, 2012 10:09 AM

    Luck is ROY

    Peyton Manning or Adrian Peterson is the Come back player of the year.

    Tom Brady is the MVP.

  45. rajbais says: Dec 15, 2012 10:24 AM

    Like like Luck, but he is too interception prone to be MVP. Plus, Fleener (his Stanford teammate) is getting outplayed by 3rd Rounder Dwayne Allen and that’s why he is a disappointment.

  46. S.Nevada says: Dec 15, 2012 10:44 AM

    The only debate with luck is whether he or Wilson will finish 2nd in voting.

    Compare them as QBs as much as you want then realize that RG3 is 20th in the league in rushing yards with 6 td’s, just behind McCoy and just in front of Turner.

    Yes, that means RG3 is the best OFFENSIVE rookie.

  47. NakedCowboy! says: Dec 15, 2012 12:06 PM

    Luck has been good but fleener has had zero impact! what a waste!

  48. Sarcasm says: Dec 15, 2012 5:01 PM

    Someone get Coby a clue.

  49. malvaren18 says: Dec 15, 2012 7:32 PM

    Looser he is never, ever going to surpass a through MVP, as the one he is replacing.

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