Comments on: John Abraham likes his chances of reaching the Hall of Fame

By: steviaquinn

steviaquinn — Mon, 17 Dec 2012 00:18:25 +0000

Take that back -four more to be the greatest in NFL history.

By: steviaquinn

steviaquinn — Mon, 17 Dec 2012 00:16:19 +0000

Abe got another fumble today ( worth way more than sacks) he’s now at 43, he has three more to go to pass Jason Taylor and bruce smith

By: oilman989

oilman989 — Sun, 16 Dec 2012 04:46:10 +0000

Let’s put this HOF thing in perspective. The biggest self-promoter of all time, Howie Long, is in the Hall. In 13 seasons, Long had double-digit sacks only three times and finished his career with 84 sacks.

There are 44 players with more career sacks than Long; 33 of those were/are traditional defensive linemen. And the list is growing.

If a media darling like Long is in the Hall, then you at least have to contemplate a guy like Abraham.

And yeah; with a 160 sacks (3rd all-time) and a disposition that would tarnish silver, Kevin Greene deserves serious consideration.

By: steviaquinn

steviaquinn — Sun, 16 Dec 2012 02:12:00 +0000

He will be the NFL leader in forced fumbles by the time he is done. He’s a HoFer

By: bigbadal21

bigbadal21 — Sun, 16 Dec 2012 00:56:23 +0000

He is not Hall of Fame material and neither is Kevin Green. A good tackle could handle Green. Green was a cool guy towards the fans during his tenure in Pittsburgh though.

By: pauldevos81

pauldevos81 — Sun, 16 Dec 2012 00:40:07 +0000

I think he fights being during the same period as other NFL pass rushers in order to get in. I think Greene should be in. As others alluded to, sometimes jumping around from teams loses some of that ‘legend’ or longstanding immortal-like imagery in which likely has an affect on HOF voting. Green played during the time of LT and Derrick Thomas and wasn’t quite as proficient as either.

Abraham will likely have to outdo the Strahan (not likely, SB winner and Sack record) and Jared Allen or DeMarcus Ware (both have as many double digit sack seasons as Abraham in 4-5 less seasons).

By: source7769

source7769 — Sat, 15 Dec 2012 22:40:00 +0000

shouldve started by staying healthy every yr

By: iceburgskin202

iceburgskin202 — Sat, 15 Dec 2012 21:12:25 +0000

I think he’s a hall of very good player there are several de that are in my opinion better. Allen, Freeney, Strahan to name a few.

By: jwreck

jwreck — Sat, 15 Dec 2012 21:07:25 +0000

steviaquinn says: Dec 15, 2012 3:16 PM
What sperates ABE form other DE are the turnovers. He strips the ball better than anyone in the game. Take your sacks yates and smith, I’ll take Abes turnovers instead
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Yates??? Good point though, otherwise.

By: armchairqb

armchairqb — Sat, 15 Dec 2012 21:06:29 +0000

I wouldn’t think he’s Hall of Fame caliber. But hey, if they can enshrine Cortez Kennedy in the HoF, Abraham has a legitimate argument that he should be there, too.

By: jwreck

jwreck — Sat, 15 Dec 2012 21:03:26 +0000

My take is that the Hall of Fame is kind of stupid (in terms of inclusion, exclusion, selection, etc.) and Hall of Fame debates are even stupider.

As a general rule though, I would say if there’s a debate as to whether a player is a Hall-of-Famer, he probably isn’t (Not including London Fletcher, who’s inclusion in Canton should not be questioned).

By: ninerswilldominatelikebefore

ninerswilldominatelikebefore — Sat, 15 Dec 2012 20:44:27 +0000

the weak/finesse falcons already crowning themselves with individual accolades how about you win a dang playoff game first!! (which wont be this year either)

By: steviaquinn

steviaquinn — Sat, 15 Dec 2012 20:18:33 +0000

Kevin Green wont get in because of his off the field antics, just like marvin harrison. Green broke a little girls arm at an airport one time because she asked for an autograph. Hes not the type of person I would want in the HoF

By: steviaquinn

steviaquinn — Sat, 15 Dec 2012 20:16:29 +0000

What sperates ABE form other DE are the turnovers. He strips the ball better than anyone in the game. Take your sacks yates and smith, I’ll take Abes turnovers instead

By: profootballwalk

profootballwalk — Sat, 15 Dec 2012 20:12:22 +0000

Abraham was in the top ten in sacks four times, never higher than third best. Kevin Greene was in the top ten eight times, and twice led the league.

Abraham = HOVG.

By: sisqsage

sisqsage — Sat, 15 Dec 2012 18:59:39 +0000

My immediate reaction was to laugh at the headline.

By: mrlaloosh

mrlaloosh — Sat, 15 Dec 2012 18:59:12 +0000

Not happening. No way Jose.

By: scrapingthefloorioforstorios

scrapingthefloorioforstorios — Sat, 15 Dec 2012 18:58:22 +0000

“future hall of famer” is the most over-used term in all of sports. . i wish it could be retired.

By: 49ers1970

49ers1970 — Sat, 15 Dec 2012 18:56:11 +0000

No way he gets in. He slowing down. He has maybe 1 more decent year of football.
Charles Haley can’t get in so how can he get in.

By: calhounlambeau

calhounlambeau — Sat, 15 Dec 2012 18:50:27 +0000

Steve McMichael is a member of the college football HOF, not the pro football HOF.

By: tallskiwallski8

tallskiwallski8 — Sat, 15 Dec 2012 18:39:52 +0000

There are many more aspects to being a DE in the NFL other than sacks. Abraham has never been a champion against the run and has only excelled as a pass rusher when his snap count has been limited to pass situations. John Abraham is a very good player, but the great ones with the bronze busts play every down.

By: Stiller43

Stiller43 — Sat, 15 Dec 2012 18:32:33 +0000

He’s been very solid and good to great in his career…but hall of fame? I dont think so

By: pftcensorssuck

pftcensorssuck — Sat, 15 Dec 2012 18:31:25 +0000

Longevity does not trump greatness.

By: sbmcintosh36

sbmcintosh36 — Sat, 15 Dec 2012 18:21:31 +0000

If Klecko still isn’t in and won’t be getting in Abe never will, Joe was all pro at 3 positions and according to many had the highest sack season in history and to add to it flushed many QB’s to Gastineau for the sack…sorry dishonest Abe not happening you probably killed your chance standing on sideline at San Diego with an injury when we later find out it’s cuz you didn’t want to get hurt with your FA coming

By: rg3some

rg3some — Sat, 15 Dec 2012 18:13:24 +0000

Hall of fame is a sham, they let Steve McMichael for goodness sakes.

By: derrickbrooks4president

derrickbrooks4president — Sat, 15 Dec 2012 18:12:15 +0000

Urlacher will need a ticket as well.

By: bh83

bh83 — Sat, 15 Dec 2012 18:09:29 +0000

Brian Urlacher thinks John Abraham is a good running back.

By: andrewfbrowne

andrewfbrowne — Sat, 15 Dec 2012 18:09:10 +0000

Does he stand out as one of the best three hundred players ever in the history of the game? Because right now there are 200+ guys in the hall. I just do not know if that is the case. Good to great pass rusher, but has never lead the league in sacks, never won POY on defense, and is not all that solid against the run. When you think of John Abraham do you think of Lawrence Taylor, Bruce Smith or Reggie White? They are Gold standard and the measure for all other pass rushers. I do not think so.

By: ialwayswantedtobeabanker

ialwayswantedtobeabanker — Sat, 15 Dec 2012 18:08:41 +0000

Kevin Greene absolutely deserves enshrinement. The guy was a true force on the field, as well as a leader. His intensity, ability to inspire, to bowl over OLs much more massive than himself, his longevity. The guy got the quarterback, and also made other stops behind the line of scrimmage — for a long time.

And though pretty much unrelated to his worthiness as an enshrinee, Greene also would do all kinds of cool things for the fans. One example is that he’d buy pizzas for fans standing in line in the cold rain for tickets.

Huuuuge Kevin Greene fan.

By: grandpoopah

grandpoopah — Sat, 15 Dec 2012 18:05:17 +0000

I suspect Greene’s difficulty getting into Canton has more to do with his specialty role, more so than the fact that he played for multiple teams. He was a lot like Charles Haley – just a ferocious pass rusher, but limited mainly to passing downs. Both were awesome players, but perhaps a bit too one dimensional for a lot of the voters.