Comments on: Browns’ failure to get Griffin could seal Heckert’s fate

By: mrmafaka

mrmafaka — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 03:29:45 +0000

This is nothing more than making up a reason to fire Heck, on the same lines as when they make up reasons to raise the cost of gasoline, their ‘reason’ is pure BS, Heck can’t sign everyone, in hindsight everything is perfectly clear, or they would of taken Russell Wilson, 75TH pick overall, go figure

By: brownoholic

brownoholic — Tue, 18 Dec 2012 00:24:20 +0000

Heckert wouldn’t have taken Weeden in the first if not for Mike “QB Guru” Holmgren’s doing. Also brought us Jake Delhomme, Seneca Wallace & Colt McCoy. Keep Heckert!!!!

By: brownsfan39

brownsfan39 — Mon, 17 Dec 2012 13:36:39 +0000

Brandon Weeden was a bad pick! That is what will cause Heckert to lose his job!

By: timmons94

timmons94 — Mon, 17 Dec 2012 12:26:51 +0000

Soldier over big Ben. Joe Thomas over adrian Peterson. Get a ton of picks from Atl for Julio jones who is a stud. Atl won that deal. Weeden is awful. Slides 5 yds before contact. Just not good. Mc coy better.

By: louhudson23

louhudson23 — Mon, 17 Dec 2012 09:35:40 +0000

I believe the question of RGIII remaining healthy is a legitimate one. It is a fair question as to whether he returns this year,much less his long term ability to stay on the field. Clearly a talented,hard working young man with a mature outlook. But he is simply one of those guys who takes a lot of shots(apparently) with scheme and ability and habits playing a role.

By: ampatsisahypocrite

ampatsisahypocrite — Mon, 17 Dec 2012 07:25:30 +0000

Every time Browns fans think their team matters, their team pours a shot of reality down their throats.

By: lakermetskins

lakermetskins — Mon, 17 Dec 2012 06:45:23 +0000

Skins fan that lives in Cleveland here. Not only do the fans know nothing about football, their radio personalities are clueless also. Weeden’s upside at best is Joe Flaco. Same instincts, same size, and same non-ability to have the “it-factor”. People in c-town fell in love with his arm but all he did at OK-state was play pitch and catch and did not display any real qb instincts.

Weeden is the oddball when it comes to the new style of qb that’s been drafted the last 2 years. RG3, Luck, Wilson, Kapeanick, Dalton, Tanneyhill, and even Cousins seem to have the mobility and wits to play qb. Weeden belongs in the Gabbert and Ponder bust category.

By: couldntthinkofaname

couldntthinkofaname — Mon, 17 Dec 2012 06:00:58 +0000

I am a Browns fan but if the Rams were going to ask for 3 first round picks i would hang the phone up on them. That was a ridiculous asking price if u ask me. But he sure looks like he is worth it now.
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So was it a ridiculous price or not?

The Browns could have sent their two 2012 first rounders and 2013 first rounder for RG3. When 2014 rolled around, they’d have their first rounder and been back on track. It wouldn’t have hurt them at all.

But they wet themselves over the thought of giving up that 22nd overall pick and blamed Fisher and Shanahan, which was bull****, but typical Holmgren.

The Skins–and I’m not a Skins fan–had the balls to go get a franchise QB. The Browns took the half-assed way out and took Weeden, who isn’t by any means an upgrade over McCoy (I’m sure the Weed-whackers will rip me on this, but who cares?). Yeah, the Browns were so confident in Weeden that they lied about him winning a non-existent QB competition with McCoy.

Heckert’s ass should be shown the door like Holmgren’s was. And so should Shurmer’s.

There’s no reason in the world RG3 shouldn’t be a Brown, other than that Cleveland totally pussed out. WA didn’t. And it has a star–and a pretty good backup QB on top of that, as we saw last week and today.

But hey, at least C-Town didn’t “get ripped off” like WA did (insert laugh track here). No, they really got full value for that 22nd overall! Nice job, C-Town! Let’s see: Weeden/T-Rich/2013 first rounder or RG3? DAH! We’ll pass on RG!

And Weeden gets totally outplayed by a promising Kirk Cousins. How very Cleveland is THAT?

Go Kirk, go RG3! Go Weeden (into mediocrity).

By: bigdawgy54

bigdawgy54 — Mon, 17 Dec 2012 04:55:21 +0000

Mr. Florio….You are 100% correct! I’m a Browns fan. Have been for 58 years. But, as you can see, way too many Browns fans claim to know it all.
Oh, they are loyal fans. Claim to know football. But, I said from day one, the failure to acquire RGIII set the Browns back at least two to three years.
You get the QB first and then build the team around him. That’s how the draft system works. Fill the holes first before the QB, you make yourself just good enough to take yourself out of the quarterback derby. You just can’t get that through some Cleveland fan’s noggin’s!
Holmgren and Heckert have now left the Browns without a bona fide starting quarterback. Ask Browns fans what are they going to do for a quarterback, now. They know it all.
By the way, Heckert and Shurmur are indeed gone. Weeden will not be the starter in 2013. That’s my prediction. Many have disagreed with me but I have a pretty good track record going.
To me, it’s common sense. You don’t put the foundation on top of the building.

By: uberdepressedbrownsredsfan

uberdepressedbrownsredsfan — Mon, 17 Dec 2012 04:24:01 +0000

After watching the browns I think they need to get another playmaking WR (Bowe?) and really need to consider getting another QB. If they could get another CB to replace an aging Brown who could be moved to nickel or FS that may help as well. I think T.Riches ceiling is Jamal Lewis….I hope he proves me wrong.

By: stoolerz

stoolerz — Mon, 17 Dec 2012 04:22:19 +0000

So let me get this straight, Herkerts going to get fired because he didn’t trade for the guy that couldn’t play against him today because he is hurt.

By: diablito0402

diablito0402 — Mon, 17 Dec 2012 04:03:48 +0000

anyways washington looked great today with back up rookie qb, rg3 cant be all that great, just sayin

By: brownsclown

brownsclown — Mon, 17 Dec 2012 03:13:20 +0000

Regime change!

By: rodgers419

rodgers419 — Mon, 17 Dec 2012 03:09:25 +0000

Don’t take for granted that RG3 would perform in Cleveland the same way he has in Washington. Washington was bad but Cleveland is on a whole other level.

By: themagicman1223

themagicman1223 — Mon, 17 Dec 2012 03:06:58 +0000

Brandon Weeden is a bust.

By: terryleather

terryleather — Mon, 17 Dec 2012 02:53:30 +0000

Bruce Allen should be the one getting fired. Just think how good Cousins could be if they had those 4 draft picks to surround him with some talent.

Griffin couldn’t play in the AFC North anyway. He’d never be healthy in January.

By: musicman495

musicman495 — Mon, 17 Dec 2012 02:38:06 +0000

Skins fan here who watched the game today, and as far as Weeden goes, I think too much is being made of his age, and not enough about the fact that his real problem is that he is WAY behind in his development compared to other rookies because he lost so many seasons to baseball. He reminds me very much of former skins QB Jay Schroeder who was also a tall, strong armed phenom who bombed out in baseball and came looking for a football career. I think the Browns fell in love with Weeden’s “tangibles” like height and arm strength, and forgot about the “intangibles” – like does he understand the position. Both Griffin and Cousins have showed me more than he did today.

Finally, can we please put to rest the cliche that you have to be 6′-4″ to play the position? Weeden had something like 4 passes batted down today because he does not know what he is doing, whereas players like Drew Brees and Joe Theismann learned to compensate for their height disadvantage.

By: floriohaslosthisedgyroots

floriohaslosthisedgyroots — Mon, 17 Dec 2012 02:25:51 +0000

Hindsight is always 20/20. Scouts were clamouring for guys like Jamarcus Russell and Vince Young too. Highly touted guys. The draft is filled with many guys that don’t pan out. Washington has paid a steep price for RG3. Time will tell if they can maintain a highly competitive team without first round picks for the next couple of years. There were and never are any guarantees in the draft.

By: rickc402

rickc402 — Mon, 17 Dec 2012 02:20:02 +0000

Redskins paid the price for RG3, Browns did McCoy wrong and passed on Cousins. Where are all the Browns trolls now? All I read all week was how the Browns defense would roll the skins offense and T Rich was going to run all over them…the silence is deafing.

By: ytownie

ytownie — Mon, 17 Dec 2012 02:19:33 +0000

Even if the Browns could have gotten RGIII Schurmur would have ruined him by forcing him to run his antiquated version of the West Coast odffense. See ya Schurmur!

By: jhorton83

jhorton83 — Mon, 17 Dec 2012 02:17:15 +0000

Trent Richardson is a “stud”? He’s averaging 3.5 ypc. That’s not a stud. That’s below average.

By: tedstheman

tedstheman — Mon, 17 Dec 2012 02:14:01 +0000

Heckert got pushed out in Philly. He won’t be going back there. Also in defense of him, Holmgren had final say on who they drafted not Heckert. Heckert is a director of Player Personnel with a GM’s title.

By: jbmartindale

jbmartindale — Mon, 17 Dec 2012 02:13:57 +0000

Would it be better to trade joe Thomas, joe Haden, and Phil Taylor for RGIII? That’s essentially what we would give up in the future.

Rg3 is having success because he has vets around him, a solid oline and an awesome head coach. Weeden has none of those except a solid o line

General managers make it and break it on the not so obvious picks and heckert has done very well with these picks

By: swoopthereitis

swoopthereitis — Mon, 17 Dec 2012 01:50:52 +0000

If Heckert gets fired, I would imagine the Eagles would be in line for his services, with Rosman either getting fired or reduced to a financial role (which would be great, because he makes some disgraceful “football” decisions).

By: jkb0162

jkb0162 — Mon, 17 Dec 2012 01:47:49 +0000

Sounds like a cheap second guess to me. Joe Haden and Trent Richardson have been studs this year, and even though I am not sold on Weeden he is better than expected. The Redskins were ultra-aggressive in getting RG3, a move that usually bites them in the butt. Given a few years I’m not sure the Browns will look that bad.

By: xsfmed

xsfmed — Mon, 17 Dec 2012 01:38:34 +0000

So the reasoning for firing him is because he didnt trade away most of his team’s draft picks for a QB, who hasnt even played every game this year? IF thats the case then this owner is going to be like the last…

By: omarazimi2

omarazimi2 — Mon, 17 Dec 2012 01:37:58 +0000

Assuming this report is true.. It would make sense. Whiffing on RGIII and settling for a 29 year old Weeden was a crushing blow for Heckert and the Browns.

By: pflynn20

pflynn20 — Mon, 17 Dec 2012 01:30:45 +0000

Joe Nickels Banner

By: starfan79

starfan79 — Mon, 17 Dec 2012 01:27:07 +0000

It would have rescaled the entire draft

By: Spencer

Spencer — Mon, 17 Dec 2012 01:26:05 +0000

I never understood why the Browns didn’t seem to want RG3…