Comments on: Banner reiterates that decisions are “quickly” coming

By: realfootballfan

realfootballfan — Wed, 19 Dec 2012 21:22:29 +0000

People interjecting Russell Wilson in with Luck and Griffin is getting annoying. He’s been an okay player, but get real. He’s asked to make a couple of plays a game on a team that runs the ball extremely well and has a top three defense. Defintiely fits what they need, but stop with the “he’s part of a once in a generation class” of QB’s nonsense.

He’s a caretaker right now with physical limitations, which might be a problem for him in the future. Stop trying to shove him down our throat.

By: flipper14

flipper14 — Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:16:11 +0000

It’s going to be Lombardi and Josh McDaniels. It’s a done deal.

By: thesmedman

thesmedman — Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:55:28 +0000

Heckert might be better off lvg Cleveland, considering that his mentor, Andy Reid, may well be hdg for a new job and likely will need people…

By: urlacher54

urlacher54 — Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:18:14 +0000

Lovie Smith gets fired from Bears. Bears hire Dennison from Texans. Browns hire Lovie. Bank it.

By: mungman69

mungman69 — Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:14:21 +0000

Banner can build a team quickly. He can also wreck one just as fast.

By: bigdawgy54

bigdawgy54 — Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:05:21 +0000

Many Browns fans just cannot come to grips with reality. Heckert and Shurmur are gone. And, Weeden was a wasted, busted pick. And, Richardson is not going to be a “great” player.
Browns fans are always grading their players through rose-colored glasses. It gives them hope and gives them a reason to keep watching. Following the Browns has almost become cult-like.
Holmgren and Heckert truly blew the 2012 draft! Mr. Florio, even if Browns fans choose to hold their hands over their eyes, Weeden was a wasted pick and Richardson was wasted reach. You are right with what you say.
The Browns have a new owner. Let him be the judge. Let him put his people in place. This blow up of the team is different from any before. Haslam will put his team in place and consistency will take root. That’s the way it’s going to occur.
Browns fans must cease trying to defend what’s not there. Their fantasies have never come true. Never.

By: thetooloftools

thetooloftools — Wed, 19 Dec 2012 16:58:32 +0000

This means the decision has been made. Just for NOT replacing Weeden with McCoy means Pat has to go. He said “I never considered it”. That is just beyond comprhension. He does not give Cleveland the best chance to win and must be dismissed.

By: rockthered1286

rockthered1286 — Wed, 19 Dec 2012 16:39:35 +0000

themagicman1223 says:
Dec 19, 2012 10:09 AM
Russell Wilson a once in a generation QB? I think you just lost more than a little credibility.
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How would you know he’s not? He was overlooked because of his size had he been 6 foot 5 he would of been a top 10 pick. It’s funny no one thought Tom Brady was a once in a generation talent. You don’t know anything about football.
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Apparently, by judging Wilson with less than a full season under his belt, I think it’s fair to say YOU know nothing about football. I’m sure you also said this about Newton last year too? And maybe Vince Young in his rookie year? You don’t judge rookies in their first year, it’s a flawed concept. If he can show consistency into his second year and beyond? Sure I’ll consider him good. But the fact that you just compared Brady to Wilson? You’ve joined the list of those who have lost credibility.

By: lilrob10201

lilrob10201 — Wed, 19 Dec 2012 16:20:26 +0000

This Brown’s team is allot from being back to a good team again.Their D is solid I will give them that but the Browns need a new HC and a new offense (besides Joe Thomas and Trent Richardson).

By: pacodawg

pacodawg — Wed, 19 Dec 2012 15:30:25 +0000

To coop 16

U never listen to fans when it comes to talent evaluation and business inside the organization. My guess is Haslem
And banner know more than you.

By: getyourownname

getyourownname — Wed, 19 Dec 2012 15:25:37 +0000

“Once in a lifetime talents”.

Weren’t Newton and Vick talked about the same way at first? You have to stay healthy. A few hits by Ngata or Watt or Mathews and the rest of your season doesn’t look quite as good.

By: Cereal

Cereal — Wed, 19 Dec 2012 15:25:07 +0000

Leave it to the Browns to finally show REAL promise then clean house…cellar dwellers. “Hey,,,lets start over again!!!”

By: themagicman1223

themagicman1223 — Wed, 19 Dec 2012 15:09:05 +0000

Russell Wilson a once in a generation QB? I think you just lost more than a little credibility.
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How would you know he’s not? He was overlooked because of his size had he been 6 foot 5 he would of been a top 10 pick. It’s funny no one thought Tom Brady was a once in a generation talent. You don’t know anything about football.

By: phillynac

phillynac — Wed, 19 Dec 2012 15:06:53 +0000

Russell Wilson’s name has no business being in this article.

By: acinsd

acinsd — Wed, 19 Dec 2012 14:53:26 +0000

That picture is pretty fitting. Banner will be bagging groceries after they let him and Lombardi make personnel decisions for a few years….

Being a Browns fan is just short of an abusive relationship…

By: bengalsstillsuck

bengalsstillsuck — Wed, 19 Dec 2012 14:49:14 +0000

You guys are dumb what have we done in 12 yrs nothing at all we need a change our GM stinks dont forget he passed up julio jones an with that draft pick drafted worthless Weeden what about we passed up JJ Watt also dont forget that. What we sld of done last year was draft Blackmon then Doug Martin instead of TRich an Weeden people wake up.

By: sterilizecromartie

sterilizecromartie — Wed, 19 Dec 2012 14:41:45 +0000

That’s how things go in Cleveland.

1.) Clean house.
2.) Start new regime.
3.) Give new regime 2-3 years.
4.) Once that regime starts showing progress revert back to step 1.

By: lbcoach34

lbcoach34 — Wed, 19 Dec 2012 14:39:08 +0000

what this article is missing is the fact that the personnel moves are and were largely on the shoulders of Holmgren.

I the drafting of BRandon Weeden in round 1 was a panic button situation – when they failed to get RG3, moved up unnecessarily to get Richardson – and Tennessee taking Kendall Wright at pick #22.

By: dolphins4

dolphins4 — Wed, 19 Dec 2012 14:36:51 +0000

Welcome to Cleveland Chucky.

By: johnnyjagfan

johnnyjagfan — Wed, 19 Dec 2012 13:57:52 +0000

@heygfy:

My thoughts exactly at the Mularkey press conference.

As far as the Browns, I think limiting the rationale to the “failure” to spend three drafts on one player is a bit much. The team’s record speaks for itself. However, not giving the Weeden-Richardson-Gordon (I would put Massaquoi in here if he could ever stay healthy) team a chance to grow up a little under the guys that brought them there doesn’t really give you a chance to evaluate their most-recent draft.

By: easydog100

easydog100 — Wed, 19 Dec 2012 13:51:15 +0000

As a lifelong Browns’ fan, I completely believe it is a colossal mistake to release Heckert. He has made good decisions on personnel and the team has improved under his direction. There is a lot to be said for continuity … something the Browns desperately need……………… New personnel, means a new system, etc. It’s square one AGAIN.

By: edgewaterjoe

edgewaterjoe — Wed, 19 Dec 2012 13:49:07 +0000

So let me get this straight … Heckert did not have final say over the roster, therefore did not have the authority to make a deal for RGIII, was told to draft Weeden by Holmgren, and is not responsible for how Weeden (or McCoy) is coached or developed – and therefore is to blame for the Browns having a better record and vastly better roster and must lose his job.

Crimony.

By: macbull

macbull — Wed, 19 Dec 2012 13:47:29 +0000

The Browns are nothing more than a toy the rich play with.

Haslam tied his own hands when he named Joe Banner to be his Pres/CEO, with everyone reporting to Banner.

Many Browns fans have their hopes up, believing that Haslam and Banner will deliver a high profile head coach, such as Nick Saban.

…I hate to be the one to deliver the bad news, but it is becoming clear that the highest profile and best qualified coaching talent WILL NOT be coming to Cleveland.

Ask yourself one question…You think Nick Saban is going to report Joe Banner?

Joe Banner has never been in charge of the football side of a franchise…thus he is a “rookie” in this new role.

So now the Browns will search for second tier coaching talent, hoping they can find one willing to share power over the football side with a “rookie” CEO, Joe Banner.

By: coop16

coop16 — Wed, 19 Dec 2012 13:45:47 +0000

If they’re dumb enough to bring in Michael Lombardi it’ll snuff out our last remaining hope of becoming competitive in the next five years. It’ll also mean that they are totally not listening to us fans, so if it reaches that point, maybe we need to start making ourselves heard with our feet and wallets.

By: thechronicjoker

thechronicjoker — Wed, 19 Dec 2012 13:36:51 +0000

Excuse me while I need to take the Browns to the Super Bowl.

By: tomtravis76

tomtravis76 — Wed, 19 Dec 2012 13:19:37 +0000

Business side blowout, lots of people updating their resumes in Cleveland.

By: pacodawg

pacodawg — Wed, 19 Dec 2012 13:09:34 +0000

I have a better shot at hitting the powerball
Twice than Schurmer does at being retained. He has done nothing in two years that would warrant him returning. The game is to big for him, u can just tell. An Oc. At best.

By: wolfjenx

wolfjenx — Wed, 19 Dec 2012 13:07:07 +0000

Failure to move up 2 spots…..really? RG3 is flashy but will never be a prolonged dominant force in the NFL….just like his predecessors before him (Vick, Young, Randall Cunningham) their body cannot take the punishment from being a running qb. Just look at that hit he took against the ratbirds. As of now, NONE of the qb’s taken are “once in a generation” because they don’t have multiple seasons under their belt. I think Weedon can be a very good qb for us, but not under the WCO. I have never been a fan of WCO, so hopefully the next HC and OC will bring a pro style so we can see what Weedon is capable of.

By: cincylaw

cincylaw — Wed, 19 Dec 2012 12:55:47 +0000

Russell Wilson a once in a generation QB? I think you just lost more than a little credibility.

By: rockthered1286

rockthered1286 — Wed, 19 Dec 2012 12:52:59 +0000

Eagles, Browns, Cards, Chargers, Jets, Chiefs- all will be in search of a new HC this offseason. I feel like pecking order for most will be Jets, Eagles, Chargers, Cards, Browns, Chiefs (based on pieces already in place, front office and market/national attention). So the thought of moving quickly to replace Shurmur (not stated, but implied) pretty much tells me that they’ll either throw a massive chunk of money at a big college name (Kelly? Saban? both say no but the almighty dollar always wins), or they’ve already have some sort of verbal agreement in place. Should be interesting, but I can’t see the likes of Cowher or Chucky jumping out of retirement for the gig, and I don’t see any of these soon-to-be booted HC’s getting the same gig this off season either.