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Saints facing a cap mess in 2013

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Mentioned in Saturday’s one-liners is the possibility that the Saints will have to shed linebacker Jonathan Vilma and defensive end Will Smith, due to their cap numbers comes 2013.

It’s part of a broader cap mess that, as explained by Mike Triplett of the New Orleans Times-Picayune, has the Saints staring at a potential cap crunch of $16 million when the 2013 league year begins in March.

That number doesn’t include defensive lineman Sedrick Ellis and offensive lineman Jermon Bushrod, both of whom will be free agents and thus have no cap numbers for 2013, yet.

Smith has a base salary of $10.5 million next year, and Vilma is due to earn $6 million.

Complicating matters is that the team-by-team cap isn’t expected to go up much, if at all, from its $120.6 million level in 2013.  And if quarterback Drew Brees is looking for an explanation, he should look no farther than his own contract, with a cap number that increases from $10.4 million in 2012 to $17.4 million next year.

It’s almost enough to make a suspended head coach with an expiring contract think about exploring all his options before signing a new deal.

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  1. teal379 says: Dec 22, 2012 7:59 AM

    17 million dollar cap hit – yep, that Drew, he’s a team guy. All it’s ever been is about the Saints and winning. There’s no way he’d ever be so selfish as to hurt his team.

    Gotta be the highest paid player tho -right?

  2. patsfan22 says: Dec 22, 2012 8:03 AM

    Haha zing, nice one Drew.

    Luckily your salary is something that can be taken back. Take one for the team.

  3. captatl says: Dec 22, 2012 8:07 AM

    It is much worse than it appears as well. Most of last years “CAP Friendly” Free agents and restructures included large amounts of guaranteed money for 2013. Even with the Cowboys “UnCapped” issues, they are in far better CAP shape than the Saints. Loomis in all his “GENIUS” (LOL) once again self inflicts the Saints, much as Payton did by NOT DOING HIS JOB. Same as it ever was!!

  4. jpb12 says: Dec 22, 2012 8:09 AM

    Brees got cut losse by the Chargers and went through the Doplhins medical … nobody wanted him.

    He’s probably going to treat the NFL (and yes the 1 team that gave him a chance)… the same way he was treated as a Free Agent.

    Pay the man his money. That’s job #1. Winning? Job #2

  5. captatl says: Dec 22, 2012 8:10 AM

    This is probably Goodells fault too!!

  6. legacybroken says: Dec 22, 2012 8:20 AM

    Get those paper bag’s ready Aints fans. You’re heading back to the basement soon.

  7. camdenyard says: Dec 22, 2012 8:24 AM

    Drew doesn;t want to talk about that. But he does have another news conference on Bountygate scheduled for 3PM.

  8. computojon says: Dec 22, 2012 8:26 AM

    Every NFL player is one play away from the end of his career. Brees had just set the all-time mark for passing yards in a season. “Not a team guy” because he fought for the money he deserved? Why don’t you be a “team guy” yourself and go into work on Monday and take a nice pay cut for the team. No? You’re not a “team guy”.

  9. hehateme2 says: Dec 22, 2012 8:27 AM

    Are they going to blame this on Goodell too?

  10. stallyns1 says: Dec 22, 2012 8:38 AM

    Brees signed this extension to avoid the July deadline for franchise tags, and he can’t renegotiate it for a 12 months. The Saints had to know this was going to be a problem down the road. Or they’re more stupid then I thought.

  11. melikefootball says: Dec 22, 2012 8:40 AM

    Maybe they can have some more bounty money put into a fund to help with cap money.

  12. hoops737 says: Dec 22, 2012 8:40 AM

    Top QBs deserve their money what can I say

    You haters wish you had a SB winning QB like Drew

  13. John A. says: Dec 22, 2012 8:48 AM

    It gets worse: $17m for 2013, then $18.4m in 2014, then $26.4m for 2015, and finally $27.4m in 2016.

    Brees’ cap number for next year and years after weren’t by accident. Everyone knew the implications for 2013 and beyond when that contract was negotiated and signed… and that his cap number for that and subsequent years would not and could not be that high.

    The thought was that the Saints would compete for a SB and come next year, they would renegotiate his contract and spread out his remaining guaranteed money over more years. Happens all the time in the NFL: big cap hits are re-negotiated into a new contract extension to lessen single-year hits…… or the player is released and voila!, no more cap issue except whatever signing bonus remains to be paid.

    Make book on it: in the end, his cap number for 2013 will not be $17m. They will extend his contract out five, six years and the problem goes away. For now.

  14. ausernamethatisavailable says: Dec 22, 2012 8:54 AM

    “Are they gonna blame this on goodell too”. I would think not since it has nothing to do with him. Unlike the bounty punishment which has everything to do with him. Nice parallel though. I wonder how some people have the intelligence to type.

  15. steelernationisthepinnacleofexistenceyouarenothing says: Dec 22, 2012 8:57 AM

    LOL!

  16. flvikesfan says: Dec 22, 2012 9:03 AM

    Bahahahaha!!! Smell that? That’s Karma & Brimstone. Someone should open a paper bag factory in the Big Easy. Sales are going to be brisk again soon.

  17. franktherat96 says: Dec 22, 2012 9:04 AM

    I love the people all complaining about Drew and his contract. I am sure some of you are fans of teams that if given the opportunity for your team to sign a QB of his talents for the same price you would be all for it because your current QB isn’t even close. (I can start with the Cardinals and go from there)

  18. 1oldpro says: Dec 22, 2012 9:11 AM

    I am not a Saints fan. If they had known Bountygate was coming, they might have shed payroll. Secondly, they won the Big Prize, the one that everyone is chasing and now they pay the price, but still have the trophy. It was probably worth it.

  19. alefty says: Dec 22, 2012 9:11 AM

    I would rather have Bree’s – as opposed to a big brown bag and a grounded Jets team!

  20. John A. says: Dec 22, 2012 9:17 AM

    I love how his 54 game with a TD pass streak ended… and not one person cared or lamented it anywhere.

    Only the Saints would celebrate such a nothing record when he set it, even laughably comparing it to DiMaggio’s streak…. and then when it ended, not a peep…. because it *was* a totally contrived, trivial thing to begin with.

  21. rbell2123 says: Dec 22, 2012 9:18 AM

    Maybe Vilma will sue Brees for defamation as well since he will be cut due to Brees making to much money. Because we all know Vilma never does anything wrong, just ask him he will tell you about his impeccable character. The Saint are the running joke that just keeps on giving.

  22. John A. says: Dec 22, 2012 9:20 AM

    You wonder at what point Benson is going to tell Brees et al:

    ‘OK, enough with the NFL/Goodell bashing. You’ve had your say, you’ve made your point. Now stop and focus on football. All your jawing does is make other negotiations and dealings with the league more difficult for me and the team.

    ‘The Pats got punished *far* more for Videogate. They didn’t whine and pout, they just put it behind them and continued to kick ass. So stop, pull your big boy pants up, and move on. That’s what adults do.’

  23. teal379 says: Dec 22, 2012 9:24 AM

    hoops737 says:
    Dec 22, 2012 8:40 AM
    Top QBs deserve their money what can I say

    You haters wish you had a SB winning QB like Drew

    It’s not that people hate Drew, it’s just that a 17 million dollar cap hit is kind of high for a guy who lost to a 7-9 Seattle team in the playoffs.

    There are other QBs that have won SB’s that don’t put their teams in cap trouble so they can continue to surround themselves with talent to give the TEAM the best chance to win. They don’t care about being the “highest paid” QB – they don’t turn down contracts to be the highest paid so they can be even higher paid either.

    Saints and their fans want people to think of Drew as this super great guy when the reality is he negotiated a CBA that most guys in the league aren’t happy about, he also then tried to make HIMSELF not applicable to the rules he negotiated for everyone else in that CBA and topped it off with holding out for a contract that screws his team’s chances to add and retain talent due to his cap hit.

    No – I think I’ll be just fine with my league MVP and Superbowl MVP QB instead of Drew Brees.

  24. tluke25 says: Dec 22, 2012 9:24 AM

    Elite QB’s can certainly push the boundaries on contract limits (and if I was an elite QB, It’s possible I would want to do the same), but the truth of the matter is it makes it extremely difficult to win multiple Super Bowls once you do that.

    I can’t wait to see what eventually happens to Green Bay when Rodgers decides it’s time his agent and the front office meet. If Rodgers does get another ring, it will be within the next year or two before he ends up with his monster deal.

  25. lilpuppy says: Dec 22, 2012 9:25 AM

    so this is Goodell’s fault also eh Drew ??

  26. mattseas says: Dec 22, 2012 9:35 AM

    The defense is last in yards allowed and 28th in points allowed. It could use a makeover. Just keep the offensive line strong and remake the defense with some good young players.

  27. noring4youstill says: Dec 22, 2012 9:36 AM

    Loomis will get it done.

  28. williambrasky says: Dec 22, 2012 9:47 AM

    This is an obvious hype article. Yes the Saints are over cap, but between player cuts (of washed-up, overpaid players) and restructuring they will easiluybe under the cap. It is easy to blame Brees for this mess, but the Saints are at the bottom of the basement without him. To bring Payton into this argument is pure speculation.

  29. dafranchise03 says: Dec 22, 2012 10:00 AM

    Top level QBs get paid. I dont know why you guys are attacking him. His issues with Bountygate doesnt have to do with him deserving the contract that he got. Also his contract isnt fully guaranteed so who cares. Look what happened to Peyton Manning and the Colts.

    NFL is like all sports. Throw a lot of money at superstars and then take care of the rest of the team. For the NFL, it just happens to be the QB position.

  30. pigskin28 says: Dec 22, 2012 10:01 AM

    So what are the odds Vilma gets another shot if he’s released?
    That guy is not getting another job.

  31. phillyphannn83 says: Dec 22, 2012 10:07 AM

    Saints sold their souls to the devil to win that Lombardi. If that’s what its like, then I don’t mind not winning one yet. Despite two lousy seasons this year and last, my team is still one of the winningest franchises in the last decade. I’d rather have that then one Lombardi in the midst of perpetual mediocrity.

  32. butthatmakestoomuchsense says: Dec 22, 2012 10:08 AM

    Yep, Brees’ cap number is going to KILL the Saints. Just like Brady’s has killed New England and Manning’s has killed Den…uh…nevermind.

  33. buffalosaint says: Dec 22, 2012 10:11 AM

    The only person on that list that I would want would be Bushrod. Well and Brees of course.

  34. msclemons67 says: Dec 22, 2012 10:17 AM

    Do

  35. msclemons67 says: Dec 22, 2012 10:18 AM

    Do bounties count against the salary cap?

  36. hoops737 says: Dec 22, 2012 10:21 AM

    teal379 says:
    Dec 22, 2012 9:24 AM
    hoops737 says:
    Dec 22, 2012 8:40 AM
    Top QBs deserve their money what can I say

    You haters wish you had a SB winning QB like Drew

    It’s not that people hate Drew, it’s just that a 17 million dollar cap hit is kind of high for a guy who lost to a 7-9 Seattle team in the playoffs.

    There are other QBs that have won SB’s that don’t put their teams in cap trouble so they can continue to surround themselves with talent to give the TEAM the best chance to win. They don’t care about being the “highest paid” QB – they don’t turn down contracts to be the highest paid so they can be even higher paid either.

    Saints and their fans want people to think of Drew as this super great guy when the reality is he negotiated a CBA that most guys in the league aren’t happy about, he also then tried to make HIMSELF not applicable to the rules he negotiated for everyone else in that CBA and topped it off with holding out for a contract that screws his team’s chances to add and retain talent due to his cap hit.

    No – I think I’ll be just fine with my league MVP and Superbowl MVP QB instead of Drew Brees.

    ——

    Who Aaron Rodgers? Wait until his payday…..

    Who Big Ben? Not even getting in the playoffs….can’t win a SB without outstanding defense carrying him

    Tom Brady is the ultimate team guy, that’s about it

  37. beerbudsnbevo says: Dec 22, 2012 10:33 AM

    “Get those paper bag’s ready Aints fans. You’re heading back to the basement soon.”

    *****************

    Yep…and you Lions fans should start mentally preparing yourselves for that ride back to the basement also…

    If the Saints beat the Cowboys Sunday…get ready for the Sean Payton to Dallas talk to heat up.

  38. dolphins512 says: Dec 22, 2012 10:38 AM

    Top QB’s in this league make big money. This is no different than what you see in New England or in Denver. You will also see this in Green Bay shortly. Some re-structuring will help, but that only postpones some of the issue…eventually, you have to pay up.

    So, the answer is that you can’t have too many high end linebackers and defensive ends making big money. These guys will either have to take less or will move on. The big money will go to the skill position guys and perhaps the defensive backs (it is a passing league) and maybe a good left tackle. Good GM’s will continually bring in new talent as guys like Vilma and Smith are not resigned to take their place and use the new rookie salary cap guidelines to build their team.

  39. tinbender2000 says: Dec 22, 2012 10:56 AM

    Hey pigskin 28, how do you figure? I mean, every company owner wants to hire a guy that’s suing him right?

  40. butthatmakestoomuchsense says: Dec 22, 2012 11:07 AM

    tinbender2000 says: Dec 22, 2012 10:56 AM
    Hey pigskin 28, how do you figure? I mean, every company owner wants to hire a guy that’s suing him right?

    Vilma’s suing Roger Goodell, not any of the 32 NFL teams. You might want to write that down somewhere.

    Anyone counting on Vilma not playing somewhere in 2013 will eventually have hurt feelings, just like those who swore up and down that he wouldn’t play in 2012.

  41. ilovefoolsball says: Dec 22, 2012 11:15 AM

    Everything is going to be fine. You commenters think your opinion and negative outlook on life actually matters. I bet you’re a joy to bring home to the parents for Christmas. That is, if you could actually get a girlfriend.

  42. goodolebaghead says: Dec 22, 2012 11:19 AM

    Must be a slow news day. Loomis will get this done. That has been his thing. Sean P will be back, Drew will be there slinging hot fire, and you are all going to hate it when they are still competitive next year. Every team that made the playoffs this year is lucky the Saints didn’t.

  43. ranoversquarells says: Dec 22, 2012 11:22 AM

    Drew needs that 17 mill to keep up his DayQuil and Nightquil regimen …

  44. kellij666 says: Dec 22, 2012 11:32 AM

    let’s see what you haters have to say when loomis works it all out and the saints contend for the superbowl next year. bet you have nothing to say then. how typical!!!!!

  45. Mr. Wright 212 says: Dec 22, 2012 11:33 AM

    Couldn’t have happened to a more deserving bunch.

  46. aldavisisthenfl says: Dec 22, 2012 11:36 AM

    Al always knew Drew was a greedy fellow……

  47. thedownwardspiral says: Dec 22, 2012 11:50 AM

    Hey teal379,

    It’s idiots like you that are the reason why markets in Jax and Charlotte don’t flourish. Even when the NFL is more popular than ever everywhere else.

    You need to learn how an NFL contract is structured before you go mouthing off who gets paid what. No NFL contract is guaranteed past the signing bonus and all are backloaded with higher salary increments that never get paid out. Brees actually signed for less than he was worth on the open market. And his annual salary this year is not even in the top 5 PLAYERS in the league.

    What a derelict you are.

  48. tinbender2000 says: Dec 22, 2012 11:50 AM

    @ butthatmakestoomuchsense

    The owners of the 32 teams ARE the NFL, that’s why they are called owners. They collectively pay Mr. Goddell to speak for them.
    Write that down somewhere.
    I could give a crap if Vilma gets a job or not.
    Being a business owner I know what I would do.

  49. murty77 says: Dec 22, 2012 11:52 AM

    Hey Saints fans, just curious, what’s the likelihood that the Siants let Bushrod go? Just wondering, becuase as a Bears fan, Emery better be calling every lineman on the market. And I’d prefer him over the declining Jake Long.

  50. binkystevens says: Dec 22, 2012 11:52 AM

    Packer fan here. I really hope Rodgers is taking notes, given that he’s due a contract this off season. C’mon Rodgers, don’t be a selfish tool like Brees!

  51. hehateme2 says: Dec 22, 2012 12:04 PM

    “The Pats got punished *far* more for Videogate(correction Skygate) . They didn’t whine and pout, they just put it behind them ??”

    dude, NO ONE whines like the pats. NO ONE!

  52. ningenito78 says: Dec 22, 2012 12:08 PM

    @John A- do yourself a favor an just stop typing. Unless you’re the uninformed 15 year old you seem to be. The Pats got more of a punishment? Ever hear of Google? Look it up young man.

  53. robf2010 says: Dec 22, 2012 12:17 PM

    Vilma, Smith, Ellis, Devery Henderson, and probably Roman Harper will be salary cap casualties. I’m sure they want to keep Bushrod but that will depend largely on what kind of market is out there for him. He’s a mid-tier left tackle. If someone out there is willing to pay him elite-tier left tackle money, he’ll be gone, too. Loomis and Payton will work it out, though. Every good team faces this sooner or later.

  54. thetooloftools says: Dec 22, 2012 12:52 PM

    Drew Brees is fake. He’s only in it for Drew Brees.

  55. ripster65 says: Dec 22, 2012 12:57 PM

    At least you got you yours, eh, Breesy? Between you and bountygate, that team will have a new coach next year and you’ll be sporting a paper bag of your own. Can’t wait to see your career fizzle out in “The Big Breasy”.

  56. nawlinssaints1956 says: Dec 22, 2012 1:01 PM

    It used to be that no one perceived the Saints would come close to having a competent FO and HC. Now that the have a Lombardi, HOF QB, and solid FO and HC, all the haters crawl out from under their rocks to take shots. Guess what – Saints fans don’t care. We have survived the incredible anise of power by the Commish and will bounce back next year. Mickey will manage the cap just fine; thanks for expressing your concern…

  57. kappy32 says: Dec 22, 2012 1:02 PM

    How in the world is Sanchez’s cap hit about $13 million & Brees is $17 million? Is Brees really only $4 million better than Sanchez? That’s neither here nor there. The problem is Brees & his selfishness. He talks a good talk, about being all for the team & the city of Nola. I am 100% positive he knew of the cap problems the Saints would face had they given him the money he demanded. Now, he’s going to play dumb & act like this is a surprise to him. If he really cared he would’ve taken less or worked his deal in a way that the team would have more cap room over the duration of the deal. He’ll have the chance to rework his deal in the offseason to help the team & show everyone he means what he says. I doubt he’s going to do it, though. He’s all about lining his pockets than adding to his trophy room. He was when he was with SD & he is now.

  58. kappy32 says: Dec 22, 2012 1:13 PM

    Hoops737 says:
    Top QBs deserve their money what can I say

    You haters wish you had a SB winning QB like Drew
    ————————————–
    My team’s QB has 2 rings, 2 SB MVP’s & a big contract. However, he worked out his deal so that the Giants have room to add players as needed. To Eli Manning winning is first, money is secondary. Not only does he get paid by the Giants but he has a bunch of endorsement deals. The same thing with Brees, he is always in commercials, probably pulling down another 8 figures through them. Brees moaned all year about how Goodell & the Bounty Scandal ruined the Saints chances, even saying most recently, “Some things can’t be taken back,” in reference to the Saints’ season after the suspensions were rescinded by Tagliabue. He’s quick to blame Goodell, but changes the subject quickly when he is questioned about his salary & how it will ruin the team in the future. He’s a fraud.

  59. fm31970 says: Dec 22, 2012 1:14 PM

    “I can’t wait to see what eventually happens to Green Bay when Rodgers decides it’s time his agent and the front office meet. If Rodgers does get another ring, it will be within the next year or two before he ends up with his monster deal.”

    Does Rodgers really seem like the kind of player who would want to be the highest paid player, like Brees or Fevre before him? Not a chance, and this is coming from a Bears fan.

    Saints better hope their draft picks from the last three years step up in 2013.

  60. SeenThisB4 says: Dec 22, 2012 1:23 PM

    Brees is worth his contract, every penny of it, as opposed to other QBs like Sanchez, and Romo. They said last year the Saints would be handcuffed by the CAP. It didn’t work out that way then, and it won’t this time either.

  61. thewizardofbs says: Dec 22, 2012 1:30 PM

    NFL players should take a lesson from the Miami Heat, where the top players all took a big pay cut to get the big three on the same team and make cap space for other players. Now they are attracting key stars like Ray Allen, who also took a big pay cut to come to the Heat. Other players like Haslem and Miller could also go elsewhere and make more but they choose to stay with Miami and be on a winning team. Because of this they have a team that will be able to stay together for years and be a contender for years. It’s a question of whether you want to be a team player and play on a top team or just be selfish and think about your own bank account.

  62. pearlms says: Dec 22, 2012 1:41 PM

    The Saints will release Scott Shanle and Will Herring. After they re-structure a few contracts, they will be under the cap. BTW, the unused cap money from this year can be used next year. I don’t know if that was accounted for already.

  63. denverscott says: Dec 22, 2012 1:41 PM

    butthatmakestoomuchsense says: Dec 22, 2012 10:08 AM

    Yep, Brees’ cap number is going to KILL the Saints. Just like Brady’s has killed New England and Manning’s has killed Den…uh…nevermind.
    ————————————————————–
    Denver and NE work their caps with much more sense. They also foster a team first attitude. Elway took a pay cut to keep Davis and other key players around to allow back to back SBs. Brady doesn’t demand every penny he can squeeze out knowing that it will come. Drew was offered a contract to make him the highest paid and rejected it. He wanted more. He spent most of this season demanding money and explanations and he got what he had coming. Even if Payton comes back this team is back to the bottom where it belongs. Cheaters and “me” men don’t win for long.

  64. seenoland54 says: Dec 22, 2012 3:13 PM

    Looks like a no-brainer for Payton. “Who Dat” becomes “Saints who?”

  65. marcinhouston says: Dec 22, 2012 3:30 PM

    What is Goodell’s fault is that the Saints set themselves up to win in 2012 and had a great team, a team that shut out the Bucs 41-0, but Goodell’s witch hunt which required team leaders to spend half the season in court and left doubt and uncertainty from free agency, the draft, through about week 14 ruined this season. The salary cap creates windows for every team, and crunches after those windows, and Goodell stole the Saints window.

  66. Mr. Wright 212 says: Dec 22, 2012 4:05 PM

    Brees is a fraud.

  67. axespray says: Dec 22, 2012 4:19 PM

    hoops737 says:
    “Who Aaron Rodgers? Wait until his payday…..
    Who Big Ben? Not even getting in the playoffs….can’t win a SB without outstanding defense carrying him
    Tom Brady is the ultimate team guy, that’s about it”
    ——————————
    Correction, Big Ben can’t even make the playoffs without an outstanding Defense carrying him.

  68. jhtobias says: Dec 22, 2012 4:20 PM

    I’m sure you can sign jermicha finley for a discount

  69. cags777 says: Dec 22, 2012 4:39 PM

    You reap what you sow, Saints. No explanation needed.

  70. fsf7 says: Dec 22, 2012 4:44 PM

    axespray says: Dec 22, 2012 4:19 PM

    hoops737 says:
    “Who Aaron Rodgers? Wait until his payday…..
    Who Big Ben? Not even getting in the playoffs….can’t win a SB without outstanding defense carrying him
    Tom Brady is the ultimate team guy, that’s about it”
    ——————————
    Correction, Big Ben can’t even make the playoffs without an outstanding Defense carrying him.
    ————————————————-

    Moronic – How many Super Bowls has Brady won without the great defense of 2001-2004 and a great kicker?

    Never mind Roethlisberger’s missing multiple games due to injury either.

    Great QBs make for a huge difference and all have a pretty big cap number.

  71. purplegreenandgold says: Dec 22, 2012 4:46 PM

    Brees is scum( im a Saints fan)

  72. rgonzales81 says: Dec 22, 2012 5:18 PM

    You losers better hope Sean leaves the saints. If not drew and Sean are going to be on a mission to stick it to the nfl. Loomis will find all the no names in the draft that become the stars. We will demolish your teams any time anywhere. So get your paper bags ready to put over your heads b/c we don’t need the bags anymore. Who Dat !!!!!!!!

  73. mumaniac1 says: Dec 22, 2012 9:48 PM

    Brees got paid as what he is, one of the top QB’s in the league. The Saints have a lot of dead weight on defense that is taking up a lot of cap space, and I would expect most of them to be gone and replaced with younger players. People want to make Brees out to be greedy, but dont forget the NFL is a business, his contract is not much different than what Brady’s and Mannings are, and soon to be Rodgers as well. Basic fact of the NFL today is if you want a star QB, you are going to have to pay and make cuts elsewhere. Was Brees greedy when he played out his last contract in which his pay was ranked around 20th of all NFL QB’s while he was breaking all the passing records in the NFL ? The Saints have lived on the edge of the cap since Payton has been here, Loomis and Payton will figure it out. As far as Payton leaving, the media shows its ignorance of his situation here with their constant yapping about him leaving. He has more control here than any other tea, will be willing to give him, why would he leave that ?

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