“Fail Mary” still looms over the postseason

AP

The good news for the folks who work at 345 Park Avenue is that the Seahawks’ postseason berth, clinched with a week to play, won’t be tainted by the Week Three win that everyone except card-carrying members of the 12th man believe the team didn’t deserve.

The bad news is that the 14-12 win over the Packers could still be viewed as spoiling the final playoff seeding.

If the Seahawks beat the Rams, if the Packers lose to the Vikings, and if the 49ers fall to the Cardinals, Seattle will win the NFC West — and catch the Packers with an 11-5 record.

Breaking the tie would be Seattle’s ill-gotten head-to-head win over the Packers from Week Three, giving Seattle a bye and a home game in the divisional round.

Then, if the Falcons fall in divisional round, Seattle would host the NFC title game.

Right or wrong, it would all be traced back to a Monday night in September.

Seahawks fans don’t like it when we remind them of the potential impact of the win over Green Bay on the perception that Seattle’s standing has received an undeserved boost.  And that’s understandable.

But the league office openly has acknowledged that offensive pass interference should have been called on the play.  Moreover, Golden Tate could not have has simultaneous possession of a ball on which he had one hand while M.D. Jennings had two.  As a result, objective fans will continue to believe that the final game of the officiating lockout has given the Seahawks an undeserved advantage when it comes to the configuration of the postseason field.

They may be right, they may be wrong.  Either way, fans will believe it.

In the end, it likely won’t matter.  The 49ers host the Cardinals.  The 49ers should easily beat the Cardinals.  If that happens, Seattle will be a wild card and the “Fail Mary” will have no impact whatsoever on the postseason field.

Surely, that’s the outcome the league office secretly is rooting for.

79 responses to ““Fail Mary” still looms over the postseason

  1. How about teams win, so they don’t have to rely on officials for their playoff seeding. Get over it.

  2. “Seahawks fans don’t like it when we remind them of the potential impact of the win over Green Bay on the perception that Seattle’s standing has received an undeserved boost.  And that’s understandable.”

    Seahawk fan here, just got home from the game…

    Actually, being reminded of it doesn’t bother me at all…

    Because it was a catch.

  3. I would rather have had one game jacked from me than a whole season stolen but that’s how Godell rolls.

    Sorry but at the end of the day it doesn’t matter if it has implications on the playoffs or not. It still happened. That whole replace-a-reff debacle was just another blatant case of mismanagement by Mr. Godell. The reffs should have been taken care of before the season.

    It’s time for a new commissioner! It’s past time for a new commissioner!!!

  4. Or the Packers could just take care of business, but then they wouldn’t have any whine to go with the cheese.

    Still waiting for Steelers to give back lat two SB’s the refs handed them….til then…..

  5. Sea-chicken fans protesting in 3..2..1

    Come to Lambeau Seahawks, I dare you. We have a 12th man too – he’s call Old Man Winter, and he’s a b*tch.

  6. Without the Fail Mary, the Seahawks would need to win this week to get to 10-6 and ensure a playoff spot. Then they would be in danger of falling to 9-7, not sure how the tie breakers would work there, but it still looms large if the Seahawks lose to the Rams.

  7. If the Falcons lose to the Bucs and the Packers beats the Vikings the Fail Mary will very much matter because both teams would be 13-3 with the Packers having the better division record and therefor getting the 1 seed. Just saying….

  8. We Packer fans have moved past it, we’ll the vast majority of us. We will take care of business next week and wrap up the number 2 seed fair and square and it won’t be an issue.

    But Seahawk fans that actually believe that was a fair call amuse me.

  9. No one ever mentions the pass interference call that led the packers to their only TD of the game. That entire game was terribly called. Had it not been blundered from top to bottom it would have ended up 7-6 in the seahawks favor anyways.

  10. It was blatant to all that the pack were robbed that being said they still have to handle their business. And the Hawks will be a load for any team to handle right now.

  11. I’m a Hawks fan and I’ll admit it GB got jobbed. Its true, but it isn’t like its the first time a team has gotten screwed over by a bad call. Hell its happened a few times this season. Some Seahawk fans are still waiting for the league to admit they were wrong on SB XL I won’t hold my breath. Bad calls happen its part of the game. I hope the Seahawks meet GB in the playoffs so we can settle once and for all which team is better, but for now all I can say is get over it!

  12. If the Seahawks went to Lambeau right now, especially with the way they are playing now, they would win there too.

    Seahawks might be the most complete team in the NFL.

  13. I cannot wait for the Hawks to have to travel to Lambeau, where a rabid, angry Aaron Rodgers awaits them, licking his chops. Just watching his interviews, you know he is still angru… you won’t like him when he’s angry!

  14. Man, what whiney little bitches you packers fans are (including florio). For some reason thought you were above that. How quickly you forget bad calls that led to your own points in that game. Would love a rematch!

  15. Who cares where the Seahawks are seeded? No one has a chance against them. Playing Green bay in Green Bay would be a dream come true for Seahawk fans. There is nothing we want more. Ok…. go back to whining about the one call officials got wrong all year. And maybe get comfortable in the whiny loser role because the Seahawks will be good for years to come.

  16. Actually it wasn’t a Catch & the NFL admitted it. Packers fan here, I hope the Packers get a shot at the Seaducks & 49ers in the playoffs. Packers beat both teams en-route to the Superbowl.

  17. Sea-chicken fans protesting in 3..2..1

    Come to Lambeau Seahawks, I dare you. We have a 12th man too – he’s call Old Man Winter, and he’s a b*tch.

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    I would love Seahawks to play 49ers in snow. One team can run it and play defense and solid special teams. One team is one wins by passing and passing only.

  18. I am a Lions fan. I have seen plenty of angles that show Tate had simultaneous posession. So at worst the call was 50/50. I have seen the “real refs” botch way worse calls this year alone. I have never seen the writer who cannot be named so fixated on a single call. I wish he would not write for this site anymore. He ruined football reporting for me a while ago. He has created a precedent across all football sites to report nonsense incase a small percentage of what you say is correct. MDS for head writer!?

  19. Doesn’t matter, Packers will beat the Vikes and the Seahawks won’t get to use their 12th man in the playoffs. Seahawks are going to be a force in the future, but to think that this inexperienced team will win away from home this post season is somewhat of a stretch, in my opinion. If they ever get the #1 seed it is a wrap though, nobody is touching them at CenturyLink.

  20. The way Green Bay played that game, they did not deserve to win. Seattle held them to 14 points, 7 of which the pack got some the zebras and sacked Rodgers about 10 times.

  21. I don’t think the league gives two bleeps about that game. It’s just another storyline in the NFL drama and could help hype a potential GB and Seattle playoff matchup. I don’t get the obsession about it though the weekly articles about the game are amusing.

    I guess the real refs are a bit relieved such focus hasn’t been placed on the Forsett TD that looks likely to allow the Texans to host throughout the playoffs barring a choke vs Indy… although I’m guessing they’d give two bleeps about it too.

  22. I’m not a fan of either team but the way I see it is if the packers would of handled their business in the first 59 minutes of the game it wouldn’t have came down to that can say the same for the Seahawks as well

  23. “Seahawks fans don’t like it when we remind them of the potential impact of the win over Green Bay on the perception that Seattle’s standing has received an undeserved boost. And that’s understandable.”

    Seahawk fan here, just got home from the game…

    Actually, being reminded of it doesn’t bother me at all…

    Because it was a catch.
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    Only in the land of the replacement referees could a touchdown be ruled when Golden Tate catches MD Jennings who actually caught the ball.

  24. Sooy Hawks fans….

    But that was NOT a catch. Even if it hadn’t been a case of flagrant offensive pass interference ( which it was) that was clearly an interception. Also, it wasn’t as though that was the only bit of horrible officiating in that game, there were a ton of terrible calls and non-calls that helped Seattle.

    And this is coming from a Vikings fan!

  25. Remember when the Packers went 3 and out with under 3 minutes to play at the end of the game and left it open for the rent-a-refs to rent-a-ref the way they had been all game?

  26. If the Packers lose to the Vikings, they deserve their fate. The Seahawks beat the Bears, putting the Packers first in the division. The Seahawks beat the 49ers, putting the Packers in the bye. If the Packers can’t close it out, they should cede from the league.

  27. @jrmbadger you do know the packers are 2-4 at home in the playoffs since 2002 right? Also the seahawks happen to be 4-3 at home in the playoffs since 2002.

  28. Was this whole fiasco Pete Carroll fault? No. Was it Seahawks fans fault? No. It was the fault of the NFL, by failing to come to an agreement with officials that would have made the right decision on that play.

    Hate all you want on the Seahawks, but remember who made that call, and who made the call to keep competent professional officials on their couches that week.

  29. Seattle outplayed Green Bay that game. When you’re Qb gets sacked 8 times you don’t deserve to win. Plus Russell Wilson was still a little sperm in NFL terms. He’s turned into a beast!

  30. ok, here it is. the moment you’ve all been waiting for.. i am a seahawk fan, and yes, the “fail mary” was a bad call. happy?

    because here’s a few things that nobody seems to want to talk about:

    1. if the green bay defender had slapped the ball away like he was supposed to instead of selfishly going for the interception, then the call would not have mattered.

    2. let’s not pretend that the replacement refs had no influence on the rest of the game. anyone who watched more than the final play can tell you that the whole game was full of officiating errors. and yes, the worst call of all was the pass interference against chancellor. without that call, the packers don’t even score a touchdown.

    3. how about we give credit where credit is due? without that horrible game, we would have spent several more weeks – or maybe the entire season – with the replacement refs. that one game, and that one call, changed everything.

    sorry, just had to get that off of my chest. i have a feeling the seahawks and packers will meet again at lambeau, and if i were the packers, i would be worried. not only are the seahawks a difficult team to handle, but i would think that they would like nothing more than to shut everyone up about them not deserving that win.

  31. And the “REAL” refs have done such an amazing job since.

    Not a hawks fan, AT ALL, but honestly, teams lose games because of bad calls all the time.

    The only difference is there is a scapegoat this time. If the real refs would have made the same call this would have been dead already.

  32. To anyone that didn’t like the result of the SEA -GB game don’t blame the ref’s or SEA blame the rules,because by the rules it was a catch. Do I like it(as a Seahawks fan) not really.But it was a catch by the rules. So don’t blame the Hawks.

  33. It wasn’t a catch, it was intercepted. Replacements or not, refs screw the NFL week in and week out. No one wants to write an article suggesting refs suck and have bad judgement. Refs are ruining the NFL.

  34. Not going to get into the whole catch/no catch thing but it was reviewed at the time by a full time NFL replay official who didn’t see conclusive evidence to overturn the call so you can stop blaming it on the replacement refs.

    Speaking of the refs wasn’t it just 2 weeks ago that on this site that there were articles lambasting the regular refs and all the game changing calls (and missed calls that they have had in the weeks since including many as bad or worse as what we keep chewing on with the replacement refs.

    The refs were absolutely horrible in the Saints/Cowboys game last night. If they hadn’t overturned that fumble recovery (initially ruled cowboys ball) over Mike Perriera’s strenous objections that they couldn’t do that as who recovers the ball isn’t reviewable there would be articles galore all over this site this morning about the current refs today.

  35. seahawks703 says:
    Dec 24, 2012 2:26 AM
    Man, what whiney little bitches you packers fans are (including florio). For some reason thought you were above that. How quickly you forget bad calls that led to your own points in that game. Would love a rematch!
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    No you wouldn’t….. but the rest of us would.

  36. Here’s a nice fun fact for Seattle fans:

    Since your SB appearance in ’05, the Seahawks have made the playoffs 3 times. Each time they ended up getting knocked out by the same division. Which one you may ask? The NFC North. Bears twice, and Pack once. All games played on the road.

  37. cbt22 says:
    Dec 24, 2012 4:42 AM
    @jrmbadger you do know the packers are 2-4 at home in the playoffs since 2002 right? Also the seahawks happen to be 4-3 at home in the playoffs since 2002.
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    Yea… probably not a stat you’d want to bring up considering one of the 2 wins GB has at home in the playoffs during that span was against the Seahawks, huh?

    2007
    GB- 42
    SEA- 20

    And you can say “well that was 5 years ago it doesn’t matter now” but then either does your little stat line now does it?

  38. The officiating has been dreadful SINCE the lockout ended. I’m a Dolphin fan, and frankly, the Bills got screwed blue on several calls this week. Miami has in other games.

    This play was just notable for being nationally seen at the end of a game during the point when the replacements were being much discussed.

  39. Where’s the outcry concerning the Ravens victory over San Diego? Ray Rice was given a first down when he fell a half yard short on that 4th & 29 play. If called correctly San Diego would have gained posession and gone into the victory formation for the win. That missed call, by the regular refs by the way, affected the outcome of that game just as much as the missed call in the GB/Seattle game. The Chargers/Ravens missed call could also affect the playoffs.

    Of course all of the missed calls that allowed Green Bay to even take the lead are being ignored as well.

  40. I’m not a fan of either team but the way I see it is if the packers would of handled their business in the first 59 minutes of the game it wouldn’t have came down to that can say the same for the Seahawks as well

    Actually not quite 59 minutes but I have to keep reminding people it wasn’t the fail Mary alone that won the game, it just made it academic. With around 4 minutes to go does anyone remember te egregious roughing call on Erik walden that nullified an INT?

    How about the phantom PI on Sam shields that flipped field position that allowed Seattle to be in position for the fail Mary. The PI seas actually the worst because Sam Shields was in position to intercept the pass and Tate initiated slight contact but Shields drew the flag.

    True objective fans see the full picture in its entirety not just the net result.

    You wanna claim the PI that set up the GB touchdown fine, where was the flag on Kam Chancellor (I think it was him). When he pulled a diamond dusty page move on Greg Jennings right in front of a ref in the end zone. But yes the game was called horribly but two late bogus calls and one non call at the end all added up to what we now call the fail Mary.

  41. “Moreover, Golden Tate could not have has simultaneous possession of a ball on which he had one hand while M.D. Jennings had two.”

    Last time I checked, one handed catches happen frequently in the NFL.

    Who was the first person to get two feet on the ground with the ball?

    Because a catch isn’t a catch until you are on the ground – and you need to maintain possession all the way to the ground.

    Golden Tate never lost possession of the ball.

  42. Quote: cbt22 says:Dec 24, 2012 4:42 AM

    @jrmbadger you do know the packers are 2-4 at home in the playoffs since 2002 right? Also the seahawks happen to be 4-3 at home in the playoffs since 2002.
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    The Seahawks are 5-1 in home playoff games since 2002.

    Jan 8th – 2005 loss to the Rams (0-1)
    Jan 14th – 2006 win vs Redskins (1-1)
    Jan 22 – 2006 win vs Panthers (2-1)
    Jan 6th – 2007 win vs Cowboys (3-1)
    Jan 5th – 2008 win vs Redskins (4-1)
    Jan 8th – 2011 win vs Saints (5-1).

  43. ” Moreover, Golden Tate could not have has simultaneous possession of a ball on which he had one hand while M.D. Jennings had two.”

    This is asinine. There’s nothing in the rule book that states that a catch must be made with two hands. And the word “simultaneous” has to do with time, not number of hands. Tate had possession and control of the ball with two feet in the end zone (by rule, a catch) before the defenders feet ever came down. Deal with it, the replacements made the right call.

  44. Are we just going to pretend that the “real” refs didn’t let a Texan get up after being tackled and run for a bogus TD on Thanksgiving? I watch a lot of football and the “real” refs are every bit as awful as the replacements were.

  45. Not a Hawks or Pack fan and that game in no way impacts the seeding.
    For starters, by rule that was a TD catch if their was no flag BUT it should have been PI on Tate, thing is NOBODY should have a problem with that wrong call on a PI because all it did was balance out the phantom PI call that extended the Packers lone TD drive that was the only reason they ahead.
    Why are so many people focused on one error so much when all it did was was offset a previous error and give us the right winner, let it go people, the right team won, the officials awarded 2 touchdowns that they never should have on that night.
    The real score of that game should have been…
    Seattle 7
    Green Bay 6

  46. Since we’re living in the past why don’t we head back a couple seasons to when the refs gave the Packers a win over the Vikings on bad calls? That essentially allowed GB to get the wild card and go on to win the Superbowl. The NFL openly admitted to the refs botching TD calls which allowed the Packers to win. So, we can either put an asterisk on the Packers Superbowl win, or we can just let that go, and also let the Packers/Seahawks game from this season go as well, and just play football. I’m talking to you Aaron Rodgers!

  47. I’m a big Packer fan, every time they show that play it is obvious it was a blown call. The replacement refs screwed a lot of teams. It is what it is. I watched the Seahawks destroy the niners last night and I thought it would be a really close game. The Seahawks are playing great and will be tough for anyone to beat!

  48. @northbynw27

    I think everyone remembers who made the call and is/was angry with the refs. Most folks from Wisconsin like the Seahawks just fine. Russell Wilson was a Badger. You have more than one ex-Packer. Some of our personnel have a history there, including Ted Thompson.

    The reason people are reacting against the Seahawks is because of the (hopefully) small but obnoxious group of Seahawks fans who continually assert that the refs didn’t make a mistake, that the Seahawks won fair and square, or that people should simply “get over it”.

    The refs screw up a lot of games. You’re right about that. They made bad calls on both sides. You’re right about that. But to assert that it doesn’t matter at all, or that Tate had simultaneous possession when 95% (at least) of the league and its fans said otherwise is ridiculous.

  49. Let it go. If the regular refs made that call (which is entirely possible) it wouldn’t even be an issue any more.

    GB didn’t lose that game on one play and they didn’t need to lose to Indy.

  50. Bengals fan for 40 years always will be. do or die. yay. dedicated. 🙂 I love the underdogs if my teams don’t win. I don’t want someone who won already I hate that so no New England(by the way is my second fave team that started way when bledsoe was first qb so when they were bad but 3 is enough now) Denver had 2 at least and I love elway but can’t stand the dude that used to play with them who plays with chicago now. what a ego thinks he throws harder then elway even if he does you don’t say stuff about youself. why can’t I think Of his name, he yells at his own players why he plays. what a a hole. so no denver or chicago they one won just in case they get in, Both Indy and Baltimore won one. so I am for my bengals of course and if not them the texans for the afc. Now the nfc….GB no way they won before don’t like what the did to brett either. 49ers no no no way hahaha they won like five and won the two we were in. so Atlanta and Seattle for the nfc they been in it but I don’t think they won any oh and if Minnesota makes it that is a big won to want to go to superbowl since they lost 4 and never won one. so lets root for a new one. it is so boring for the same teams. thats why I can’t stand the yankees and lakers, well lakers also because kobe is on it ewww.

  51. Is St Louis, Minnesota, and Chicago win, you could still have a situation where Seattle gets in over Chicago due to a tiebreaker, when they should actually have one less win

  52. Ill-gotten? How does a team score 12 points in the 2012 NFL and expect to win? Oh, and people need to realize that one hand on the ball does not mean less possession than two hands on the ball when it comes to a catch in this league. But nice job stirring the pot & trying to discredit the Seahawks current standing.

  53. It’s strange that people think that because the so-called “fail mary” call occurred at the end of the game that it was the only call that influenced the outcome of the game. What about all of the other bad calls in the game, including those that went against the Seahawks? And what about all the bad calls that are made during NFL games every week, both by replacement refs and the real refs?

    Bottom line: the “fail mary” Seahawks win is as legitimate as any other win.

  54. My recollection of the NFL stance was that it was limited to the offensive pass interference infraction that was not called, but said nothing about the joint possession.

  55. webofbelief says: Dec 24, 2012 10:31 AM

    “Bottom line: the “fail mary” Seahawks win is as legitimate as any other win.”

    If that were true you wouldn’t see all the unbiased 3rd parties continue to bring it up. Just be thankful for your tainted gift, and let it go. Packer fans aren’t nearly as worked up about this as Seahawk fans.

  56. What about the pass interference? Y’all are delusional if you really think that was legit catch. The NFL public apologized for it, why do you think they brought the regular refs back after that? Seahawk fans are awefully defensive (no pun intended) about this issue, what’s that compensating for? You’re team looks outstanding right now, no doubt a serious threat in the play-offs, just admit you got lucky on that one. Nobody should ever blame any team for taking whatever they can get, but don’t act like that was a legit win. Everybody knows it wasn’t. And the fact the Packer have overcome that ridiculous start and are currently in the number 2 slot is admirable.

  57. “Moreover, Golden Tate could not have has simultaneous possession of a ball on which he had one hand while M.D. Jennings had two. ”

    See, this is the part of the argument that makes no sense. There’s nothing in the rules that says a catch has to be two hands … one-handed catches are absolutely allowed, and that’s why I continue to believe it was a TD.

    Also, please stop saying only Seahawks fans believe it was a TD. I am not a Seahawks fan, and actually quite partial to the Packers who are a great team to watch, but still think the ‘Hawks scored a legit TD there.

  58. First of all, I’m a Packer fan. The Packers deserved to lose in week three. They were outplayed the whole game. However, can you idiots who truly believe that the fail Mary was ACTUALLY a catch please shut up? It wasn’t. Jennings had the ball, was down by contact, then Tate wrestled one arm in after the play was dead. Even factoring in the one arm in it is NOT a simultaneous catch.
    The game was horrible for both teams as far as the refs go. Both teams got away with numerous pass interference calls the whole game and even while watching it I knew the outcome would come down to a bad call. Unfortunately it didn’t work out in my team’s favor.
    The Seahawks are playing great and I believe they are the most dangerous team entering the playoffs right now. They seem to get all the bounces and sometimes that is what it takes. No tuck rule, maybe no Pats dynasty.
    I’m a Packer fan saying that the Hawks deserved to win against us. As Hawks fans can you just admit that either it wasn’t a catch or that you know nothing about the rules of football? Flip it around, what of it happened against your team? You would say you got jobbed. I guarantee that!
    I don’t want to see a rematch because I think the Seahawks match up extremely well against the Packers and no matter where the game is played, the Hawks could take it. Man, I hate saying that.

  59. The refs are incompetent or crooked. This has been going on for years-except for the Pats all teams get hosed.
    The refs took a TD from the Ravens yesterday and continued their dubious calls until it was apparent the G men were finished. Play-off ratings.

  60. As a lifelong hawks fan, I feel zero pity for what happened. You wanna talk about a hose job by the refs? Super bowl xl ring a bell? Get over it. Even Aaron Rodgers got over it.

  61. frankyvito says:
    Dec 24, 2012 6:59 AM
    I like Seahawk fans saying ‘GB had played better it wouldn’t have came down to a referee’s call.’ Really? Wouldn’t that also aply to Seattle?

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    Yes it would and it does! Seahawks had a dominant first half defensively and both teams played average at best in the 2nd half. If either team had played more effectively it wouldn’t have come down to that play!

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