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Lynch thinks Schiano wore out the Bucs, physically and mentally

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The rookie wall has taken on a somewhat different dynamic in Tampa.

Typically, we hear about first-year NFL players having a hard time when football season extends beyond the 11 or 12 games with which they are familiar.  For first-year NFL head coach Greg Schiano, it could be that the way he manages a team of boys who play only 11 or 12 games is finally catching up with a group of men who play 16.

FOX analyst John Lynch, who played for the Buccaneers and the Broncos, believes that Schiano has worn his pro team down.

“It’s a team that I think had a very demanding coach,” Lynch said, via Stephen Holder of the Tampa Bay Times.  “And I think they’re out of gas both mentally and physically.”

Schiano disagrees that the tanks are empty.  “I think the number of reps we do are very, very selective,” Schiano told Holder.  “We’ve made an attempt to keep our guys fresh because I do know that is the key when you have talented guys over a long period of time.  Some of them are older.

“But when you lose and you don’t have that emotion because you’ve lost, that makes people emotionally tired.  And when you’re winning, as we were for four weeks straight, it emotionally energizes you.  Winning cures all.”

It definitely does.  And losing creates frustration.  And there’s plenty of frustration right now within the organization.  Or at least within the locker room.

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44 Responses to “Lynch thinks Schiano wore out the Bucs, physically and mentally”
  1. mullman76 says: Dec 29, 2012 10:19 AM

    Schiano and his act will not play much longer in the show. Expect to see him shouting down college players in the next year or so.

  2. nfloracle says: Dec 29, 2012 10:21 AM

    Glazer response to all this… they’ll put more money into their British soccer team and raise beer prices a buck at the Tampa stadium.

  3. ronnieroberts22 says: Dec 29, 2012 10:24 AM

    Maybe, but the team has had a couple big time players get injured, their top corner get traded, a couple of starting rookies playing big positions, a first year head coach, and new players they added in free agency. So physically tired or mentally tired is a good possibility but I think it just the first year of a promising new young team that just needs experience together.

  4. tv426 says: Dec 29, 2012 10:25 AM

    If it is true that winning energizes you, then their win streak should have extended beyond 4 games.

    I don’t think this guy is an NFL coach. Period. He will be back at the college level soon enough.

  5. johnnyb1976 says: Dec 29, 2012 10:28 AM

    This team was 6-4 in a playoff race and was hot. I don’t buy the excuse that lynch is putting out there.

  6. johnmaddenslovechild says: Dec 29, 2012 10:30 AM

    Another big free agency and a good draft will give this team the missing pieces it needs to win games and then schiano looks great for helping turn this team around.. How do you expect them not to look tired and giving up when its the last game of the season coming up and you went from playoff contender to 6 game losing streak? Young guys don’t take that very easily.

  7. lightcleric says: Dec 29, 2012 10:32 AM

    This team quit on Raheem Morris too and he was the exact opposite of Schiano. The problem is they’re a bunch of immature kids who’ve quit on multiple coaches.

  8. kattykathy says: Dec 29, 2012 10:33 AM

    The whole Schiano act is very tiring. He will flame out and run back to the college ranks just like Saban and Spurrier did.

  9. tbtrojan says: Dec 29, 2012 10:34 AM

    Considering teams are hardly allowed to ask their players to do anything other than turn up on Sundays, thanks to the new CBA, I seriously doubt the players are tired. If they are they don’t deserve to be on an NFL roster and should be released.

  10. supporthardhits says: Dec 29, 2012 10:36 AM

    Buc fans be thankful that you do not have the habitually lying, self-promoting gas bag HC that the Jets are stuck with.

  11. 1bucfan813 says: Dec 29, 2012 10:36 AM

    There no such thing as being worn out. These players make millions of dollars every year no one said it was going to be easy. Go out there work hard and do your job. Josh Freeman needs to mature and thats his problem he gives up to quick. He wines too much aabout his coaches every year. Look at whwn the bucs had the winning streak only 3 int. The man was focused and determined to get the win. Since losing to the falcons, he lost his confidence his throws are way too of strike. Overthrowing his receivers, and making bad decisions. Then you blame it on your coaches for making you work harder. Man up freeway. Your never going to be a champ if you don’t work for it.

  12. kd727 says: Dec 29, 2012 10:37 AM

    Then Lynch hasn’t watched them the last few weeks. Anyone who’s watched this teams knows the past 3 losses have fallen on Freeman and his accuracy (or, as they like to say, “communication”) issues and, to a lesser degree, OC Mike Sullivan’s playcalling. DIRECTLY on those two and those two alone. The defense played their best game of the year last week.

  13. tiggerblood says: Dec 29, 2012 10:38 AM

    Funny everyone said this about Tom Coughlin too. Make them earn their checks. I remember a Giants team that was at near mutiny to winning it all.

  14. fuglyflorio says: Dec 29, 2012 10:42 AM

    They had some luck. Surprised a few teams too. But once the shine wore off they reverted back to form.

  15. derrickbrooks4president says: Dec 29, 2012 10:46 AM

    Wouldn’t trade Schiano for any other coach in the league. He’s building his own fresh legacy down here. I’m glad the formally cheap a%% owners didn’t go with a retread coach. With this coach there is no doubt about who is in charge, unlike the circus that our budget hire Raheem ran. If the owners keep their wallet open this off season and we have a good draft, the Bucs should take a few more steps forward. It’s a process and I like where they are headed, even with the loss streak going right now.

  16. prince5000 says: Dec 29, 2012 10:50 AM

    same thing was said about coughlin, cowher, gruden – until they won a ring.

  17. mojosmagic says: Dec 29, 2012 11:02 AM

    The coach is correct.

  18. CKL says: Dec 29, 2012 11:19 AM

    It’s always a tough transition going from a country club palsy walsy HC to a taskmaster. Either approach can start off hot because it’s so different from a prior regime, and run into struggles a little bit after that. But only a coaching staff who holds their guys accountable for their performance and are their leaders and not their pals win long term.

  19. 49erstim says: Dec 29, 2012 11:24 AM

    They’re emotionally and physically worn out from a couple of months of work per year? Good luck in the real world! Lol

  20. immafubared says: Dec 29, 2012 11:27 AM

    Sounds to me like Deja Vu all over again!

    Years ago the Vikes made Les Steckel a former marine gung ho QB aka Schiano like, there head coach.
    They said that team was so beat up from training camp they never recovered. He literally beat the crap out of those guys with three a days and whatever in the miserable Mankato humidity in August no less.

    They had a miserable season and the players all but threatene to mutiny if he came back. The Vikes got rid of him after one season.

  21. tigershark49 says: Dec 29, 2012 11:54 AM

    Lets face it. They need to add some more talent.

  22. raiderlyfe510 says: Dec 29, 2012 12:05 PM

    This is why Jimmy Johnson didnt like veteran players.

  23. thejuddstir says: Dec 29, 2012 12:13 PM

    NFL players continue to get softer…and softer…and softer. With the new CBA, they get more time off (required time off per CBA and time off for minor injuries and that’s not to mention bigger injuries. players of yesteryear played with broken bones and casts), less practices, minimum practices with pads, no hitting in practices, etc. etc. Very few of today’s players would’ve lasted in the NFL of a couple of decades ago and especially not with the rules of football when it was a sport and not just entertainment like it is today. As for Schiano, I agree with many of the posters, he will be back in college coaching soon.

  24. wrdtoyrmama says: Dec 29, 2012 12:18 PM

    Interesting.
    Players are working 5 months out of the year.They’re only practice in pads 16 times during the regular season, yet according to Lynch, “they’re physically and mentally exhausted”
    Surprising considering they’re working 20 hour weeks, and most of that is in the classroom or standing around on the sidelines waiting to get reps in.

    Sounds like the Bucs aren’t that mentally tough to me, and that the team lacks veteran leadership.

  25. redandgoldhitman52 says: Dec 29, 2012 12:23 PM

    lynch plz shut up. every team is physically and mentality worn down right now. but the good teams keep fighting and the bad teams quit.

  26. rhinojr says: Dec 29, 2012 12:23 PM

    Schiano will prove to be similar to Coughlin in that he is not going to admit he changed his ways but will adapt. He is smart and his players will love him. Wish he was my coach in Philly .

  27. iceburgskin202 says: Dec 29, 2012 12:27 PM

    So Schiano is too tough and Morris was to soft. Sometimes as a man you gotta look at the person in the mirror pull your bootstraps up and go to work. I heard the same about coughlin in NY b4 2 Super Bowls. Every coach isn’t a player coach like Vermiel or Carrol. But at the end of the day players have a job to do. So get er done!!!

  28. bunjy96 says: Dec 29, 2012 12:27 PM

    prince5000 says: Dec 29, 2012 10:50 AM

    same thing was said about coughlin, cowher, gruden – until they won a ring.

    ****

    How did one trick pony Gruden’s name join 2 excellent coaches. Cowher and Coughlin didn’t rely on the previous coach to win. They did it on their own!

  29. bkostela says: Dec 29, 2012 12:29 PM

    ronnieroberts22 says:
    Dec 29, 2012 10:24 AM
    Maybe, but the team has had a couple big time players get injured, their top corner get traded, a couple of starting rookies playing big positions, a first year head coach, and new players they added in free agency. So physically tired or mentally tired is a good possibility but I think it just the first year of a promising new young team that just needs experience together.
    ___________________________

    talib was playing the worst football of his career before he got traded, and big-name injuries happen to a number of teams. the teams with the proper coaching in place know how to get through injuries and get back to winning football games. freeman may or may not be the answer. doug martin will carry this offense for years to come.

  30. bunjy96 says: Dec 29, 2012 12:30 PM

    immafubared says: Dec 29, 2012 11:27 AM

    Sounds to me like Deja Vu all over again!

    Years ago the Vikes made Les Steckel a former marine gung ho QB aka Schiano like, there head coach.
    They said that team was so beat up from training camp they never recovered. He literally beat the crap out of those guys with three a days and whatever in the miserable Mankato humidity in August no less.

    They had a miserable season and the players all but threatene to mutiny if he came back. The Vikes got rid of him after one season.

    ***
    Guess you are not aware of the new CBA. The old days of heavy workouts with pads are over. Now they can only have X number of pad practices a year-what a joke!

  31. joewilliesshnoz says: Dec 29, 2012 12:36 PM

    Get rid of the guy’s who are dogging it, and bring in guy’s that will work for a paycheck for 16 weeks. Enough said . .

  32. eatitfanboy says: Dec 29, 2012 12:58 PM

    Anyone who looks at this roster and thinks they should be better than 6-9 is kidding themselves.

    As other people have pointed out, practices are so strictly regulated it’s not really even possible that he is working his team any harder than anyone else.

    And as far his “college style” not working in the pros, I have three things to say to you: Jim Harbaugh, Pete Carrol, Tom Coughlin.

  33. bigdawgy54 says: Dec 29, 2012 1:21 PM

    Schiano will adjust just as Coughlin and others did. he learned that he was coaching men, not college guys.
    And yes, to some of you people. These guys work their esssa off! In no way shape or form would many of you be able to work as hard as these guys in the NFL do.
    I believe John Lynch. The guy played the game. Likely a HOF guy. Played in Tampa’s heat. In this case, I think you can take Lynch’s analysis to the bank. Schiano’s style was talked about here in Tampa throughout the season.
    The NFL season is a marathon. Not a sprint. You have to adjust, accordingly.
    With all of that said, Josh Freeman aslo hurts the Buccaneers. He is not an NFL starter. Has the tools. But, still cannot react to defenses well enough to perform at a high level in the NFL. He’s a streak player depending on defenses.

  34. phaktor333 says: Dec 29, 2012 1:32 PM

    I just hope he doesn’t do to Doug Martin what Herman Edwards did to Curtis Martin and Larry Johnson. He tried to kill Ray Rice in college, but he has been managed well as a pro.

  35. bucsfanpc says: Dec 29, 2012 1:33 PM

    As a Buccaneers fan, who goes to the games, I really like what Coach Schiano has done so far. He has made sure these guys know he is their coach and not their buddy like Raheem tried to be. In his first year with young guys and a new staff, he has orchestrated a better season than they had last year. This is also the first season the Buccaneers have had a 3,000 yard QB, a 1,000 yard RB and a 1,000 WR. It will take a little time but the Buccaneers will be great again.

  36. tbtrojan says: Dec 29, 2012 2:24 PM

    iceburgskin202 says: Dec 29, 2012 12:27 PM

    Every coach isn’t a player coach like Vermiel
    ————————————–

    How quickly people forget.
    Vermeil during his first 2 seasons in St Louis was hated by players & they won nothing but he was building a team, weeding out the losers & complainers. They led the league in players only meetings, there was crying that they were being worked too hard, players asking for trades. Sound familiar?
    Year 3 he was left with a team that would run through a wall for him and got him a Super Bowl.

  37. tbtrojan says: Dec 29, 2012 3:02 PM

    bucsfanpc says: Dec 29, 2012 1:33 PM

    This is also the first season the Buccaneers have had a 3,000 yard QB, a 1,000 yard RB and a 1,000 WR.
    ——————-
    Really, what happened to 1984?
    QB DeBerg – 3554 yards
    RB Wilder – 1544 yards
    WR House – 1005 yards

  38. joemontanawasthegreatest says: Dec 29, 2012 3:06 PM

    This could go the way of Saban in Miami, if they struggle again next year look for him to bail about week 15 of 2013.

  39. dartwick says: Dec 29, 2012 3:16 PM

    They may be tired. But they are also way short on talent.

  40. themagicfanguy says: Dec 29, 2012 4:06 PM

    Being tired isn’t the problem, neither is talent level, neither is it the coach or GM. Continuity is the problem. People see one bad season, and instantly want to lay blame and clean house even though they JUST did that last offseason. Give them time, they’re young and inexperienced(but talented). They will improve, as will Schiano and every other aspect with some continuity.

  41. Mr. Wright 212 says: Dec 29, 2012 4:34 PM

    tiggerblood says: Dec 29, 2012 10:38 AM

    Funny everyone said this about Tom Coughlin too. Make them earn their checks. I remember a Giants team that was at near mutiny to winning it all.
    ————-

    And unlike Tampa, the Giants truly ARE worn out. However, they have quit on Tom.

  42. slobmykolb says: Dec 29, 2012 6:16 PM

    Schiano and his act will not play much longer in the show. Expect to see him shouting down college players in the next year or so.

    I think you couldn’t be more wrong! This team was ran by a very undisciplined coach in the past and just weren’t ready for a real coach to come and actually take charge. I am not a bucs fan (actually a falcons fan) but I do think coach schiano will be a very good coach at the pro level. I think Tampa will be a very hard team to beat in the next year or two.

  43. joetoronto says: Dec 30, 2012 4:46 AM

    The beatings will continue until moral improves.

    Greg Schiano

  44. dallascowboysdishingthereal says: Dec 30, 2012 10:04 AM

    I’ve noticed that the Bucs have really fallen off lately after a promosing start to the season. Not aware of any major injuries to key players. It is Schiano’s first year coaching in the NFL which is more like a marathon.

    There may be something to his inexperience in the NFL.

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