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NFL will reconsider the tuck rule this offseason

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NFL officials are talking about revamping the tuck rule.

Dean Blandino, the league’s director of officiating, said in a video distributed to the media that the NFL’s Competition Committee plans to review the tuck rule, which was made famous on January 19, 2002, when an apparent Tom Brady fumble was overturned to an incomplete pass, paving the way for the Patriots to beat the Raiders en route to New England’s first Super Bowl title.

“This is going to be part of a bigger discussion in the offseason of QB pass/fumbles and the tuck rule with the Competition Committee,” Blandino said. “This will be discussed in the offseason.”

Blandino referenced a play on Sunday when Colts quarterback Andrew Luck was first ruled to have fumbled when he was hit from behind and lost the ball — a ruling that was overturned on replay when the referee called it an incomplete pass. Blandino said the referee’s ruling was based on a belief that Luck was purposely bringing his hand forward in an attempt to throw a pass, and did not have his hand pushed forward when he was hit from behind.

“It was ruled on the field a fumble and the key here is the tuck rule,” Blandino said. “The rule is, if the quarterback brings his arm up to throw in an obvious passing motion, any intentional forward movement of the hand with control of the football will constitute a forward pass. That’s the rule.”

At least, that’s the rule for now. It might not remain the rule for much longer.

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  1. shoobiedoobin says: Jan 4, 2013 2:14 PM

    It’s been a dumb rule since the day it saved Brady and the Pats. You know how often a QB pumps and then tucks? Not nearly enough to justify the rule. Period. Get rid of it.

  2. Arun Krishnan says: Jan 4, 2013 2:16 PM

    Why review it now, a decade after the Tuck rule game?

    It’s been around for 15 years, and only now the NFL realises how ridiculous it is?

  3. pnut87 says: Jan 4, 2013 2:17 PM

    Ha! This is about 10 years too late… But, better late than never. Never should have been a rule in the first place. And no, I’m not a Raider fan in the least.

  4. hutch119 says: Jan 4, 2013 2:17 PM

    Thank god.

    Worst. Rule. Ever.

  5. juggahnic says: Jan 4, 2013 2:17 PM

    Glad to know that J.J. Watt’s kinetic energy now constitutes intent. Can’t hit QBs from the back, on the head, or by the knees. Strike zone sacks from now on.

  6. sb44champs says: Jan 4, 2013 2:18 PM

    Anything that helps the Pats is a ‘rule’, lol

  7. Stiller43 says: Jan 4, 2013 2:19 PM

    It only took >10 years…

  8. crownofthehelmet says: Jan 4, 2013 2:19 PM

    Excellent. Might as well retro it then and put another * in the Patriot’s history books.

  9. humbleminded85 says: Jan 4, 2013 2:22 PM

    What’s wrong with the rule? It’s not like it goes 100% against the idea of the game of football which is…wait for it…TO GET THE FOOTBALL! Stupidest rule ever.

  10. firejimmy says: Jan 4, 2013 2:25 PM

    Brady’s was a fumble and Luck’s was even more of a fumble.

  11. tedmurph says: Jan 4, 2013 2:25 PM

    The rule was put in place to take making a judgement call on the QB’s intent by the referee out of the equation. No matter how much Raider fans dislike it, it was enforced correctly in the snow game. But, it’s a bad rule and should be changed.

  12. blackngold4life says: Jan 4, 2013 2:26 PM

    Hows it an incomplete pass if the QB is TUCKING the ball away? Worst rule ever made. NFL backtrackin on a clear mistake over 10 years later

  13. shawshankreception says: Jan 4, 2013 2:26 PM

    It almost seems as though the league was waiting for Al Davis to die first…

  14. westclaims says: Jan 4, 2013 2:26 PM

    Let’s see if it gets used again first in an upcoming AFC playoff game/s.

  15. steve7921 says: Jan 4, 2013 2:27 PM

    That Andrew Luck play should have been a fumble…even if his hand was coming “forward” it was a backward pass and therefore a lateral and a free ball!!

  16. well7765 says: Jan 4, 2013 2:28 PM

    The worst part about the rule is that even if it is a pass, then it should be grounding considering the qb is usually under duress with no receivers in the area. Otherwise, anytime a qb is pressured they should just throw it into the ground and claim they were just “tucking” it and it slipped.

  17. phimuskapsi says: Jan 4, 2013 2:29 PM

    Arun Said: “Why review it now, a decade after the Tuck rule game?It’s been around for 15 years, and only now the NFL realises how ridiculous it is?”

    Nah, Tom Brady is just getting close to retirement.

  18. shaggytoodle says: Jan 4, 2013 2:30 PM

    they need to do something about the challenge rule in general.

    The Packers out of timeouts before two minutes a ref gets a call wrong and they are just SOL.

  19. wte1 says: Jan 4, 2013 2:30 PM

    The Ref’s did get the call wrong in the Tuck Rule Game. It should have been illegal hit to the head by Woodson. Personal Foul. Patriots ball plus 15 yard penalty!

  20. vaphinfan says: Jan 4, 2013 2:30 PM

    If they stop making ridicioulous rules then they wouldn’t have to worry about taking them out.

  21. harrisonhits2 says: Jan 4, 2013 2:31 PM

    Lol I love how everyone acts like the Pats didn’t then have to then drive down the field so Vinatieri could make what was likely the greatest kick in NFL history to tie the game, and then the Pats still had to win in OT with Adam V making another difficult kick in the heavy snow.

    If the Raiders defense had done its job on either of those drives they would have won. Their D chocked and the rest is history.

    Not to mention the Pats lost a game to the Jets that year in part because the ball was handed back to them after a “fumble” because of the tuck rule.

    I saw statistics at one point that showed each team has it called against them about once a year.

  22. tothefellowshipofthemiserable says: Jan 4, 2013 2:33 PM

    In what book is there a * in Patriot’s history?

  23. t16rich says: Jan 4, 2013 2:35 PM

    Please do. QB’s shouldn’t be rewarded for pumping the ball and getting drilled and fumbling.

  24. returntoexcellence says: Jan 4, 2013 2:46 PM

    harrisonhits2 says:
    Jan 4, 2013 2:31 PM
    Lol I love how everyone acts like the Pats didn’t then have to then drive down the field so Vinatieri could make what was likely the greatest kick in NFL history to tie the game, and then the Pats still had to win in OT with Adam V making another difficult kick in the heavy snow.

    If the Raiders defense had done its job on either of those drives they would have won. Their D chocked and the rest is history.
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    And I love how ignorant Pats fans refuse to understand that the game was nearly over at that point and all the Raiders had to do was basically burn the clock (had they been given posession) making any kind of comeback impossible. The Pat’s did basically nothing that whole game and that play gave them just enough momentum (at home) to pull out the comeback. Something they should have NEVER had a chance to do because it was clearly a fumble. So sorry Pats fan… but your little rant on the “best kick ever” and OT kick would have never happened without that horrible rule in place.

  25. bigsuede says: Jan 4, 2013 2:48 PM

    HILARIOUS that the rule is going to finally be changed right after Al Davis died.

    Everyone in the NFL has been waiting to change that horrible rule.

  26. steelcurtainn says: Jan 4, 2013 2:49 PM

    The NFL only reconsiders the tuck rule after more then 10 years since the raiders/pat game. Wow, what a joke the league is becoming.

  27. salventuri says: Jan 4, 2013 2:55 PM

    I heard its also not a fumble next year when a QB runs into the butt of an offensive lineman and coughs it up.

  28. deadeye says: Jan 4, 2013 2:55 PM

    The NFL people who allowed this dumb rule to linger for ten seasons are complete buffoons.

    It was a bad idea BEFORE the Patriots were given a playoff victory due to the rule.

  29. negativten says: Jan 4, 2013 2:58 PM

    Ya,Go ahead and change it now.It served its purpose.It kept the Raidah’s outta the Super Bowl

  30. marthisdil says: Jan 4, 2013 2:58 PM

    Shouldn’t have mattered with the Luck play anyways. even if it was a pass, it ended up being a backwards pass, thus a lateral, thus a fumble.

    But hey, why the heck not…

  31. raiderluv says: Jan 4, 2013 3:04 PM

    Of course once it happens to someone other than the Raiders, THEN they decide to review it. How transparent.

  32. crownofthehelmet says: Jan 4, 2013 3:05 PM

    tothefellowshipofthemiserable says:

    In what book is there a * in Patriot’s history?
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    NFL SuperBowl Stats for Everyone But Patriot Homers

  33. demolition510 says: Jan 4, 2013 3:06 PM

    Even Brady acknowledged it was a fumble

  34. enrifer says: Jan 4, 2013 3:08 PM

    They should work on the pass interference call that gives the ball to the offense on the spot of the hold and make it a five yard penalty instead.

  35. bdl08 says: Jan 4, 2013 3:09 PM

    Doesn’t Goodell have to wait until Tom Brady and Peyton Manning retire before he doesn’t something about that rule?

  36. bucfan4lyfe says: Jan 4, 2013 3:13 PM

    Damage has already been done…

  37. curtinpj7 says: Jan 4, 2013 3:13 PM

    Why didn’t this rule get changed right after that travesty of an AFC divisional playoff game. The basic logic of the rule goes as follows:

    If the Quarterback drops the football in the middle of a deliberate attempt to not throw a forward pass, it is a forward pass.

    Why did that ever make sense?

  38. ottomanismydog says: Jan 4, 2013 3:15 PM

    Wonder if Brady’s fate would of been similar to Tony Romo had the tuck rule never been called.

    Where we’re going we don’t need roads

  39. coachglove says: Jan 4, 2013 3:30 PM

    I’m not sure why every qb doesn’t simply pump fake immediately upon starting their drop…as nothing in the rule governs the time between the pump and fumble.

  40. ern215 says: Jan 4, 2013 3:30 PM

    a little late dontcha think?

  41. rkierstead says: Jan 4, 2013 3:31 PM

    the raider fans are funny al davis and his buddy ref screwed the pats long b4 the pats got 1 2 go there way in 1976 the pats had the best team and got screwed with a ruffing the passer call that was alot worse than the tuck rule atleast that was a rule that was called by the book and not ur buddy doing u a solid

  42. tothefellowshipofthemiserable says: Jan 4, 2013 3:31 PM

    It happened to the Raiders, it’s all good!

  43. tombradysbaby says: Jan 4, 2013 3:31 PM

    Pats fan here, and I never liked this rule. If the ball is in your hand and you fumble it I don’t care what you’re “intent” was, it’s a fumble if you lose control. Glad this rule could be removed to changed to obvious instances like if the throw is happening and the QB is hit, causing the ball to be thrown awkwardly (not tumble calmly away).

  44. nomoreseasontix says: Jan 4, 2013 3:32 PM

    They’ll look at it unless applying it incorrectly benefits Brady.
    Again…

  45. harrisonhits2 says: Jan 4, 2013 3:32 PM

    “returntoexcellence says:
    Jan 4, 2013 2:46 PM

    Something they should have NEVER had a chance to do because it was clearly a fumble. So sorry Pats fan… but your little rant on the “best kick ever” and OT kick would have never happened without that horrible rule in place.”

    By your logic then the Pats never should have lost the game to the Jets earlier that year because of the tuck rule, the Pats therefore should have had one more win in the regular season which would have changed the playoff seeding meaning the Raider would not even have played the Raiders that game in all likelihood.

    Lol at your bitterness though, its mighty sweet tasting.

  46. afreak2u says: Jan 4, 2013 3:37 PM

    When a qb has the ball and even if he is attempting to throw the ball and is hit while his arm is in the forward motion it should be considered a fumble when a back is switching the ball from one hand to another he and coughs up the ball they can’t say excuse me I was moving the ball away from the defender so is a non fumble

  47. 8to80texansblog says: Jan 4, 2013 3:42 PM

    If anybody watched the Texans v Colts game, the call was ridiculous. You could see when Luck lost the ball he was reaching out for it to grab it back, not something you do if you are “throwing” the ball. And even if he was “throwing” the ball he threw it backwards which should still be a fumble.

    The Texans recovered the ball around the Indy 15. No guarantee they get 6 out of it but almost guaranteed 3. Texans lost by 12 but plays like this change the complexion of games.

  48. yssupasigninnamnotyep says: Jan 4, 2013 3:42 PM

    If the ball is in his hands and it gets knocked out or he drops it, it’s a fumble…period.

    Stupidest rule ever – this is 10 years too late.

  49. weepingjebus says: Jan 4, 2013 3:43 PM

    I love that people still blame the Patriots for this. Apparently that was Belichick’s wily plan: have Brady get pummeled but rescued at the last minute by an obscure rule, and then go on to win in overtime. A truly egregious and intentional exploitation of a rule, while teams that engage in synchronized fake cramping on defense *cough*Giants*cough* only to return 1 play later are just engaged in hard-nosed gamesmanship.

  50. richc111 says: Jan 4, 2013 3:49 PM

    I got a better idea. Why don’t they wait until Brady is out of the league so it saves them for having the make it a rule again the next time he does it.

  51. melikefootball says: Jan 4, 2013 3:53 PM

    There is a lot of rules that should be looked at. They also should look into giving something to the defense since it is all offense now.

  52. jwbrown21775 says: Jan 4, 2013 3:55 PM

    If the tuck rule is eliminated, does a review of a play in question not then become a judgement call? I don’t like the rule but I don’t really see how you get around it without it becoming a judgement call on whether the QB’s intention was to actually pass or pump fake. Opens up the possibility of much more drama and uncertainty.

  53. bullcharger says: Jan 4, 2013 4:01 PM

    steve7921 says:Jan 4, 2013 2:27 PM

    That Andrew Luck play should have been a fumble…even if his hand was coming “forward” it was a backward pass and therefore a lateral and a free ball!!

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    I understand that either. Is there some kind of rule that if a QB is hit while throwing and it goes backwards it isn’t a backwards pass? Seems like a bad call to me, regardless if the tuck rule.

  54. majormalphunktion says: Jan 4, 2013 4:06 PM

    NFL Rule 3, Section 22, Article 2, Note 2. When [an offensive] player is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of his arm starts a forward pass, even if the player loses possession of the ball as he is attempting to tuck it back toward his body. Also, if the player has tucked the ball into his body and then loses possession, it is a fumble.
    The whole idea was to take away a judgement call from the refs. Removing it, puts the judgement call of if it is a fumble of an incomplete back in the game.
    Just what the NFL needs…more arbitrary judgement calls…like Pass Interference, those make the game so much better. Leave it as it is. You may or may not hate the Brady call, but it was called by the rule correctly.

  55. autumnwind999 says: Jan 4, 2013 4:06 PM

    Ha! Hilarious.

    Don’t be fooled though. The “Tuck Rule” was a made-up, after the fact cover for a horribly blown call. A reversal of the correct call on the field nonetheless. Walt Coleman never referenced anything suggesting the Tuck Rule in his explanation. He simply said “The quarterback’s arm was coming forward. It was an incomplete pass.”

    As you can see from the classic photo posted with this story, Brady has two hands on the ball with it against his chest before Woodson even swats it out with his right hand. If that’s not a “tuck,” what is? It’s a dumb rule that makes no sense and that’s why it’s never applied. Just don’t be fooled into thinking that game constituted the correct call of a stupid rule. It was quite simply probably the worst call in the history of pro football if not of all professional sports. Especially when you figure in it’s magnitude and the fact that it was made with the benefit of about 10 minutes of replay review.

    Long live the conspiracy!!

  56. mazblast says: Jan 4, 2013 4:08 PM

    If it can be used to benefit the Pats in this year’s playoffs, it’ll stay.

  57. bullcharger says: Jan 4, 2013 4:12 PM

    It’s a hard rule to change. There has to be a point where it is no longer a forward pass and that will be subjective for the ref. The tuck rule was designed to take away the subjectivity. It can’t be a fumble when the QB is in the act of throwing forward or every pass is a fumble. If they change it the ref will have to judge the intent to throw or tuck. It is a bad rule, but not so easy to fix.

  58. abel660 says: Jan 4, 2013 4:14 PM

    Get over raider fans you lost patriots are better go patriots!!!! Sb bound!

  59. dynasonic says: Jan 4, 2013 4:18 PM

    “Why didn’t this rule get changed right after that travesty of an AFC divisional playoff game. The basic logic of the rule goes as follows:”

    I thought the rule was put in place BECAUSE of this game.

  60. bullcharger says: Jan 4, 2013 4:20 PM

    returntoexcellence says:Jan 4, 2013 2:46 PM

    harrisonhits2 says:
    Jan 4, 2013 2:31 PM
    Lol I love how everyone acts like the Pats didn’t then have to then drive down the field so Vinatieri could make what was likely the greatest kick in NFL history to tie the game, and then the Pats still had to win in OT with Adam V making another difficult kick in the heavy snow.

    If the Raiders defense had done its job on either of those drives they would have won. Their D chocked and the rest is history.
    ____________________________________

    And I love how ignorant Pats fans refuse to understand that the game was nearly over at that point and all the Raiders had to do was basically burn the clock (had they been given posession) making any kind of comeback impossible. The Pat’s did basically nothing that whole game and that play gave them just enough momentum (at home) to pull out the comeback. Something they should have NEVER had a chance to do because it was clearly a fumble. So sorry Pats fan… but your little rant on the “best kick ever” and OT kick would have never happened without that horrible rule in place.

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    Sour grapes. It WAS a rule, and still is a rule. Good or bad, the rule was called correctly. Two years ago (or so) they change the rules so that receivers who are pushed out of bounds are not given a catch. That rule change definitely cost some teams games since they changed it. Most people think that was a good rule change though, so there are no complaints. The refs can only call the game by the rules that exist.

  61. bobbybrown3 says: Jan 4, 2013 4:22 PM

    Why not make it a rule that if a QB gets hit the ball has to cross the line of scrimmage for it to be an incomplete pass…

  62. donkeykong2011 says: Jan 4, 2013 4:23 PM

    pats fans know it was a fumble. we laugh and laugh when we think about it.

  63. radrntn says: Jan 4, 2013 4:23 PM

    IT WAS A FUMBLE. The worse call in the history of any professional sports, and is right behind the 72 olympics games mens basketball USA vs Russia as the worse ever.

  64. fanofschill says: Jan 4, 2013 4:24 PM

    Everyone talks of the missed call that it was a fumble but Brady was drilled in the head first by Woodson’s very arm that eventually knocked ball loose.

    Should have been automatic 1st and 15 yards. Pats could have scored 7 and the greatest kick ever never.

    Love people who hate on the Pats – no one recalls the pats had the same thing happen to them earlier in the season vs the Jets. where was all the crying about that rule then?

  65. pillowporkers says: Jan 4, 2013 4:25 PM

    As a Vikings fan, I feel bad for the Raiders. They got screwed in that game. Minnesota always seems to be on the wrong side of rule changes throughout their history as well.

    1. 2009; Saints score with a field goal on the first possession of overtime to go to the Super Bowl over the Vikings: The next year the NFL switches to the better OT system where you need a TD to win.

    2. 2003; Cardinals Josh McCown throws a pass as time expires into the endzone. It was called a push out (judgement call unreviewable). This gives the Cards the win and knocks the Vikings out of the playoffs. The next year the NFL gets rid of the ridiculous push out rule.

    3. A few months after number 2 in 2003; Minnesota Wild lose to the Anaheim Ducks because they couldn’t score on Jean-Sebastien Giguere. The next year the NHL outlawed his oversized pads.

    We in MN know how it feels Raiders fans! You guys got screwed because you were playing the Golden Boy.

  66. tcostant says: Jan 4, 2013 4:28 PM

    Good writtens. It always has looked like a fumble to me and it should be a fumble…

  67. flash1283 says: Jan 4, 2013 4:35 PM

    autumnwind999 says:
    Jan 4, 2013 4:06 PM
    Ha! Hilarious.

    Don’t be fooled though. The “Tuck Rule” was a made-up, after the fact cover for a horribly blown call. A reversal of the correct call on the field nonetheless. Walt Coleman never referenced anything suggesting the Tuck Rule in his explanation. He simply said “The quarterback’s arm was coming forward. It was an incomplete pass.”

    As you can see from the classic photo posted with this story, Brady has two hands on the ball with it against his chest before Woodson even swats it out with his right hand. If that’s not a “tuck,” what is? It’s a dumb rule that makes no sense and that’s why it’s never applied. Just don’t be fooled into thinking that game constituted the correct call of a stupid rule. It was quite simply probably the worst call in the history of pro football if not of all professional sports. Especially when you figure in it’s magnitude and the fact that it was made with the benefit of about 10 minutes of replay review.

    Long live the conspiracy!!

    —-

    Yeah , except you left out part about the call being made earlier that same season against the patriots in a game vs the jets.

    So no it wasn’t made up for that game.

    And was it the worst call ever?

    It’s funny how Raiders fans want to cry about it but NEVER mention Ben Dreith.

    Funny how it all evens out.

  68. randallflagg52 says: Jan 4, 2013 4:38 PM

    Luck clearly fumbled, and even if his hand WAS going foreword, who was he trying to throw it to? The only player near where the ball came out was an offensive lineman, and he was behind Luck.

    What really puzzles me is how that play got overturned by a booth review…

  69. jphavig says: Jan 4, 2013 4:43 PM

    I lost a lot of respect for the NFL after the tuck call. A fumble is a fumble is a fumble.

  70. lflib69 says: Jan 4, 2013 4:44 PM

    Why isn’t anyone seeing that the Tuck Rule was in place before Brady was even playing?

  71. bosoxjim says: Jan 4, 2013 4:45 PM

    the tuck rule was created in 1999.

    it wasn’t invented “on the fly” in the pats/raiders game in 2002, like some people would like to believe.

  72. edcl48 says: Jan 4, 2013 4:46 PM

    The 5 rules that I’d like to change immediately are…

    1) Pass interference is only 15 yards and not spot fouls

    2) Go back to the 30 yard line on kickoffs, they’ve become so mundane

    3) Replay…You keep going on them if you keep getting them right

    4) Icing the kicker is a 15 yard penalty

    5) STOP these guy’s from celebrating after every play. I dont care for a touchdown but for a damn tackle? C’mon

  73. pinion8ted says: Jan 4, 2013 4:49 PM

    returntoexcellence says:Jan 4, 2013 2:46 PM

    And I love how ignorant Pats fans refuse to understand that the game was nearly over at that point and all the Raiders had to do was basically burn the clock (had they been given posession) making any kind of comeback impossible. The Pat’s did basically nothing that whole game and that play gave them just enough momentum (at home) to pull out the comeback. Something they should have NEVER had a chance to do because it was clearly a fumble. So sorry Pats fan… but your little rant on the “best kick ever” and OT kick would have never happened without that horrible rule in place.
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    I love how ignorant Raiders fans continuosly ignore that their famed defense failed not once, but TWICE, in stopping New England’s drives to tie, and then win the game in OT, by two field goals.

    You can cry that the Patriots never should have gotten the ball and the Raiders could have run down the clock, but your defense choked TWICE after that call.

    Accept that, and stop whining.

  74. mullman76 says: Jan 4, 2013 4:51 PM

    Worst call in the history of sports. Those who say it was enforced correctly have their heads buried in the sand. Clean hit, clean fumble, the RAIDERS were robbed. The games was over, the pats were gifted a dynasty.

    Plus, there was no way the league (mara, rooney, KRAFT) was going allow “the RAIDERS” to come into Boston after 9/11 and beat “the Patriots”.

    Al Davis and the entire RAIDER NATION got worked over and have yet to recover. The haters can get stuffed…

  75. rayguyreturns says: Jan 4, 2013 4:53 PM

    All I have to say is:
    Tuck you Walt Coleman

  76. ohioraider22 says: Jan 4, 2013 4:54 PM

    Let’s make is simple. If the QB drops the ball then rule it a fumble. If any other players lose the ball it’s already ruled a fumble. Keep it simple.
    2nd point: I can’t believe it taken them 10 years to finally address this issue. Was this deliberate to protect the Patroits?

  77. jgava19 says: Jan 4, 2013 4:55 PM

    The Tuck Rule was payback for the Holy Roller fumble to Dave Casper

  78. jerseyraider says: Jan 4, 2013 5:01 PM

    For all the doubters, look at the pic on this article. You will notice that Brady has TWO hands on the ball (you can see the left and assume the right — he’s righthanded). You’ll also note that Woodson’s hand is on the way down. Brady had in fact “tucked” the ball. The call on the field was a fumble, yet the NFL overturned the call. Based on what undeniable evidence? Say what you like; the NFL loves scrooing the Raiders.

  79. j0esixpack says: Jan 4, 2013 5:12 PM

    Man – talk about I’ll-informed fans.

    The tuck rule has been reviewed just about every season by the competition committee including after it was correctly applied to the Patriots.

    They kept it as is for over a decade.

    Every fan who thinks the Patriots cheat is a hypocrite if they are suggesting the NFL shouldn’t follow the rules in applying the Tuck rule for Brady.

  80. shutupbrees says: Jan 4, 2013 5:17 PM

    Comparing any tuck rule call with the Luck one is a complete injustice and/or a copout. Luck’s ball went BACKWARDS! No other tuck-rule call in the history of the league was made on a backwards pass.

    This is the league, in typical fashion, recreating rules or “revisiting them” when they make an egregious decision on the field (Calvin Johnson TD).

    Their stubbornness muddies every other call in perpituity. I still have no clue what a catch is since that Johnson TD was overturned.

    If that was a replacement ref who made that Luck call, it would be story #1 in all of sports because the Union would have made it a story. That was the 2nd worst call in the history of the game, behind the Fail Mary.

  81. shutupbrees says: Jan 4, 2013 5:19 PM

    Also, the refs use the review as a crutch, so call anything they aren’t 100% sure on a TD or a turnover. Combine that with needing “indisputable evidence” to overturn a call, and it leads to the perfect storm of debauchery that the NFL officiating has turned into.

  82. ultramegacritic says: Jan 4, 2013 5:28 PM

    Now that Al Davis is dead they are trying to be in good terms with the Raiders. Why don’t the NFL give The Raiders 3 superbowl rings too since Raiders would of had 3 if that BS call was never made up. Raiders would of went on to beat the Rams and from there would of went on to win 2 more Superbowls. The tuck rule really killed the Raiders future.
    I have no doubt Kraft had those refs in his back pocket, i believe he still does have a handful of refs in his pocket. I even think Goodell is on the pay roll, well there is no doubt about that. Pats got caught cheating and their head coach does not even get suspended for 1 game! NFL suspends saints coach for rewarding players making good plays

  83. autumnwind999 says: Jan 4, 2013 5:31 PM

    LMAO at everyone who thinks this rule was applied correctly.

    Just go on ignoring the photographic evidence alongside this story where Brady has the ball against his chest with two hands on it!!!

    What constitutes a “tuck” to you if that’s not it? Would Brady have to gently place the football snugly under some blankets in a crib alongside its favorite teddy bear?

    Let’s just ignore the fact that the rule may have been applied exactly one time in the history of pro football prior to that play for a second. The bottom line is it was still tucked.

  84. rojodiablo says: Jan 4, 2013 5:43 PM

    This certainly doesn’t help the Raiders now, especially when this BS call not only helped the Pats go to a Super Bowl that the Raiders should have gone to, but it also started the downward spiral the poor Raiders are STILL stuck in!! To make matters worse (of course), the call also helped the Pats move in the opposite direction, making the playoffs every season and winning numerous rings! I thought the NFL was trying to make things a bit more fair on the field but this “tuck rule” BS did the opposite and should have been thrown out that very same year (since ONLY Pats fans believed it was a incompletion); NOT 15 years later!! Maybe, if they do FINALLY get rid of it, the Pats will start losing more often and stop making the playoffs every year, while Oakland returns to it’s former glory and start making the playoffs every season and possibly even winning a ring!!! That would be SO awesome to witness!!

  85. ron69 says: Jan 4, 2013 5:53 PM

    I’m a Raider fan and i can’t get over it and never will, we had the best team in football that year

  86. raiderapologist says: Jan 4, 2013 6:42 PM

    pinion8ted says: Jan 4, 2013 4:49 PM

    You can cry that the Patriots never should have gotten the ball and the Raiders could have run down the clock, but your defense choked TWICE after that call.
    Accept that, and stop whining.
    ————
    It was a game changer, and it took the life out of the Raiders. When the call was ruled a fumble, you could just see how deflated the Patriot players were, and when the call was reversed, that deflation went over to Oakland, and they couldn’t recover. I agree with Charles Woodson that it was a bulls–t call, but I don’t expect the Patriots or their fans to apologize for it. I don’t feel bad about the Holy Roller.

  87. lanman11 says: Jan 4, 2013 7:12 PM

    The Bleacherreport lists the roughing the passer call on the Pat’s Ray Hamilton that gave the Raiders the a playoff win and a Superbowl, as the #2 worst blown call of all time, just behind the Music City Miracle. So please, please please, Raider fans, most of whom are LA Raider fans that are too young to remember this game, let the proper enforcement of the tuck rule goooooooo……….. the bitterness is killing YOU, not the other guys.

  88. denverwally says: Jan 4, 2013 7:18 PM

    Pretty funny really, all the whining about one bad call. The Raiders lost, and there was a bad call. Has there ever been a bigger bunch of cry babies than raider nation? Yes, Steeler nation but thats another discussion. As if no call ever goes against any other team, ever.
    Suck it up Hater nation, the Pats dynasty rolls on and the Raiders are going on 10 years as a complete joke of a franchise.
    Sucks to be you, but you DO get to put those idiotic “black hole” costumes on that your mommy makes for you.

  89. themackstrong says: Jan 4, 2013 7:22 PM

    That blown call killed Texans momentum and changed the outcome of the game but nobody talks about all these regular ref’s blown calls 2012-2013. I am not a Texans fan but wactching Luck panick to recover as the ball is strip fumbled out of his hand was a clear indicator. I was watching the game and couldn’t believe it when they overturned to the call on the field. How do they only change that rule now???

  90. moknowsbo says: Jan 4, 2013 7:30 PM

    Any fan of the game saw that play and thought it was a fumble. I don’t think the rule was applied corretoy, i.e., “if the player has tucked the ball into his body and then loses possession, it is a fumble.”. At the very least nothing in the replay was conclusive enough to overturn the call on the field. The shame was this was Gruden’s last game as coach of the Raiders. I think it’s fair to assume that if they go on to the super bowl (they still would’ve had to beat the Steelers), Gruden’s stays and they win it the next year. Instead they traded Gruden’s and they haven’t been the same since.

  91. ken1313 says: Jan 4, 2013 7:42 PM

    mullman76 says: Jan 4, 2013 4:51 PM

    Worst call in the history of sports. Those who say it was enforced correctly have their heads buried in the sand. Clean hit, clean fumble, the RAIDERS were robbed. The games was over, the pats were gifted a dynasty.

    Plus, there was no way the league (mara, rooney, KRAFT) was going allow “the RAIDERS” to come into Boston after 9/11 and beat “the Patriots”.

    Al Davis and the entire RAIDER NATION got worked over and have yet to recover. The haters can get stuffed…
    ———————————————————

    GIFTED a dynasty? God..the stupidity on this website amazes me. Oh and the WORST ref call in NFL history was in fact during a Patriots /Raiders game..but it happened years earlier when a PHANTOM “roughing the passer” call was called against the patriots after they had stopped the Raiders…game would have been over…but nope…mystery flag….BS call…raiders go on to win the Super Bowl….amazing hopw raiders fans have no memory of that…

  92. halkim says: Jan 4, 2013 7:43 PM

    The Raiders were in a payoff game last decade?

  93. edgerules says: Jan 4, 2013 7:43 PM

    Did the Raiders get away with crap (head hunting, stick’em (I know back then it was allowed, till the NFL banned it.), the Holy Roller), and all kinds of stuff? Didn’t they benefit from bad rules, and officiating?

    Raider fans are starting to sound like Seahawk fans (who should not even talk since that “Fail Mary” happened) still crying about Super Bowl 40.

    I mean, this movement of trying to put imaginary *s on the Patriots Super Bowl, and trying to act like Tom Brady isn’t all that great, is just nonsense. IF I want to hear that crap, I could turn on ESPN.

    Every team has either been effected, or been helped by either a bad rule or bad officiating.

    That is my point.

  94. hehateme2 says: Jan 4, 2013 8:07 PM

    Funny how pat fans lead the league in making excuses.

  95. sidneyz says: Jan 4, 2013 8:11 PM

    At what point does it not become a tuck? Is it when both hands are on the ball? Not only is it a worthless rule, referees and rules committee officials don’t even know why it’s in place. Either ur throwing a pass or ur not. But it is a rule so it’s more like, ur either tucking the ball or ur running with it. Take a close look at the infamous play that knocked the Raiders out of the AFC Championship game. Brady is tucking the ball but before Woodsen knocks the ball out, Brady has the ball in both hands. He is no longer tucking the ball. It is now tucked and he is now a runner. Unfortunately, misinformed referee Walt Coleman made one of the worst blunders in NFL Playoff history and claimed that Brady was attempting a pass, thus resulting with an incomplete pass. In the post game interview with Tom Brady, he did say he was attempting a pass when the ball was knocked out. Brady is a great QB but he’s also a pathetic liar. It’s a shame that the NFL doesn’t make the referees accountable for unacceptable mistakes. Just ask the Seattle Seahawks about that…

  96. swagger52 says: Jan 4, 2013 8:35 PM

    If the Patriots Defense would have caused a fumble and then gotten ruled as a tuck rule, then the rule would be removed.

    Oh wait…that would never happen. The Tuck Rule is so arbitrary it would never happen. That is exactly the way the Refs like it, so they can throw the game to Brady.

    The call the tuck rule to hurt teams like the Raiders and the Ravens, but to help teams that they want to help to a Superbowl..like the Patriots.

    Get rid of the Regular Refs…Bring back the replacement Refs, I am sick of watching the Patriots steal games.

  97. db105 says: Jan 4, 2013 9:24 PM

    Bad rule but a very enjoyable and memorable rule when it was applied.

  98. FinFan68 says: Jan 4, 2013 9:28 PM

    The lawyers are ruining the game by devising stupid rules such as this one. They attempt to fix a small problem and create a much larger and unintended problem. As of now, with many specific rules (somehow written vaguely), the officials can apply the same rule and come to opposite conclusions. Get back to simple rules and the officials would do a better job and replay would actually be used to get calls right rather than create additional controversy.

    1) If the arm is going forward to throw a legal pass and the ball is released it is an incomplete pass. Everything else is a fumble.

    2) If a player catches the ball, controls it and has two feet (one knee, etc.) in bounds it is a catch…there is no “follow through” on catching the ball.

    3) There is no such thing as a “defenseless” player on the field.

    There are many more but these three would be a good start.

  99. raiderapologist says: Jan 4, 2013 9:38 PM

    denverwally says: Jan 4, 2013 7:18 PM

    Suck it up Hater nation, the Pats dynasty rolls on and the Raiders are going on 10 years as a complete joke of a franchise.
    Sucks to be you, but you DO get to put those idiotic “black hole” costumes on that your mommy makes for you.
    ———–
    The only thing missing from that original post is some basement smack. Denver fans always seem to forget the naked guy in the wooden barrel.

  100. rotoraider says: Jan 4, 2013 9:57 PM

    The Tuck Rule will be grandfathered in for the Patriots. All other NFL teams it will not apply.

  101. shutupbrees says: Jan 4, 2013 10:22 PM

    What a waste of a message board. Everyone is still crying over the Raiders/Pats game from 10 years ago?

    This is about the Luck play, which was the 2nd worst call of the season …

    Regarding the game from 10 yrs ago, the Raiders had several opportunities to win the game after the tuck rule play. Get over it.

  102. geoffho72 says: Jan 4, 2013 10:34 PM

    How about they reconsider the “fine a player 10k for throwing a ball into the stands” rule. Clowns.

  103. aces79 says: Jan 4, 2013 10:47 PM

    LoL The Tom Brady Rule

  104. j0esixpack says: Jan 4, 2013 11:05 PM

    There are apparently a lot of fans out there ignorant about how often the tuck rule is applied each week in the NFL

    They seem to actually think its only been used in the case of Brady – where the Competition Committee ITSELF confirmed the rule as properly called and applied – or now in the case of Luck.

    Don’t try to argue with people who don’t want to bother knowing the facts

  105. ch8878 says: Jan 4, 2013 11:56 PM

    Biggest screw job in the history of the NFL

  106. jgsoxfan5 says: Jan 5, 2013 3:36 AM

    You know it’s not like they have rules for a reson fans always get mad when refs follow the rule book or raider fans for that matter it happened 10 years ago get over seriously still whining its not like the pats went on to win 3 supers over the next four years or become the winningest team since 2001. When your on top that long haters are going to hate so all you jealous patriot/ New England sports haters its not our fault we call Boston our home and since 2001 our teams have generally been one of the best teams in their respective leagues. We don’t call home Title Town for nothing. Everybody hates on teams from the Northeast just cause we are better than your teams and then you revert back to your 13 year old girl selves land blab about your problems of the Internet no one cares! Go patriots celtics bruins and redsox plus the rest of the North East!!! By the way bitching about a rule in football is like tell a cop that he shouldn’t be arresting your buddy because you don’t agree with his judgment of the law or situation lol gfto and how’s ya Burgah!

  107. joetoronto says: Jan 5, 2013 6:53 AM

    This was by far the worst call in the history of professional sports, because the game was over.

    That’s right, the game was over and the Raiders had won, until Walt Coleman threw the game.

    You Pats fans should just be happy it happened, instead of denying it.

  108. patsfiend says: Jan 5, 2013 5:57 PM

    Maybe they can go back and change some other rules that would help the mighty Raiders convert a 2nd and 2 or stop the Pats from going right down the field on them 3 times at the end of the game and OT to win it. I’m sure they could find something.

  109. brazzz01 says: Jan 7, 2013 2:56 PM

    I’m a Pats fan that has no problem admitting that Brady fumbled on that play, and the Pats season was saved on a technicality.

    I wouldn’t have scripted it any differently than that. It was the perfect payback for 25 years earlier when the worst call in NFL history from a senile ref sent the Raiders to an undeserved Super Bowl berth at the expense of a superior Patriots team.

    It is amusing that Raider Fan is way more outraged about this call than they were about their team getting completely owned by the Bucs and their ex coach in the Super Bowl the year after… and sent that franchise into a tailspin that they have never recovered from.

  110. brazzz01 says: Jan 9, 2013 10:10 AM

    “This was by far the worst call in the history of professional sports,”

    Nope, the worst call in professional sports came from Ben Dreith in the 1976 division playoff, an absolute FARCE of a roughing the passer call that that sent an undeserving Raider team to the Super Bowl over a superior Patriots team.

    Did Al pay off the ref? It sure looked like it.

    The Pats were the best team in the NFL in 76 and the Raiders and the ref stole what would have been the team’s first Super Bowl championship. And now we’re even. The tuck rule controversy was sweet, SWEET revenge. It couldn’t have happened any more perfectly than it did.

    Funny how Raider fan crying about this call conveniently forgets that one.

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