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	<title>Comments on: Griffin&#8217;s knee creates more concern than advertised</title>
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		<title>By: westernpaisdirty</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 17:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I preface this comment with I am an Eagles fan, season ticket holder since 1978, and this is not meant in a mean spirited way because I really like this kid.  If he has to change his game due to his legs no longer being a weapon, he is done.  I had the pleasure of watching one of the most freakishly talented athletes ever to play QB in randal Cunningham.  He was an All-America punter at UNLV, holds the record for the Eagles with a 93 yard punt, could throw a football 75 yards on one knee, and didnt just run, he glided. Unfortunately Buddy Ryan was too arrogant to coach him but he was a human highlight film. Until Bryce Paupe took a dive at his knee and tore his PCL. Randall wore a hat that he&#039;d be back scrambling, and he came back, but never the same again. His passing game was set up by the defenses fear if his legs.  The  we saw McNabb, Redskins fans remember the play in his second year where he ran for a TD and put such a juke on the Redskins safety that it looked as though he broke both a ankles. McNabb broke his ankle then later tore his ACL. His legs gone he was pedestrian at best.  People forget he went to three NFC Championship games with Todd Pinkston as his number one receiver and Chad Lewis as his tight end.  No legs no game. Now we have the sad sack case of Michael Vick. Vicks whole game was his legs but those legs enabled him to pass. Without the legs he&#039;s awful. RGIII is a much better passer than all three of those guys but would his accuracy be what it is if defenses only have to worry about him as if he were slow footed Joe Flacco?? No way!! I&#039;m hoping he recovers. For football, for the NFC East and for Birds fans. NFC East football isn&#039;t fun unless you&#039;ve got lots of guys to hate on your rivals.  Here&#039;s hoping he&#039;s okay and I&#039;m wrong. History says I&#039;m not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I preface this comment with I am an Eagles fan, season ticket holder since 1978, and this is not meant in a mean spirited way because I really like this kid.  If he has to change his game due to his legs no longer being a weapon, he is done.  I had the pleasure of watching one of the most freakishly talented athletes ever to play QB in randal Cunningham.  He was an All-America punter at UNLV, holds the record for the Eagles with a 93 yard punt, could throw a football 75 yards on one knee, and didnt just run, he glided. Unfortunately Buddy Ryan was too arrogant to coach him but he was a human highlight film. Until Bryce Paupe took a dive at his knee and tore his PCL. Randall wore a hat that he&#8217;d be back scrambling, and he came back, but never the same again. His passing game was set up by the defenses fear if his legs.  The  we saw McNabb, Redskins fans remember the play in his second year where he ran for a TD and put such a juke on the Redskins safety that it looked as though he broke both a ankles. McNabb broke his ankle then later tore his ACL. His legs gone he was pedestrian at best.  People forget he went to three NFC Championship games with Todd Pinkston as his number one receiver and Chad Lewis as his tight end.  No legs no game. Now we have the sad sack case of Michael Vick. Vicks whole game was his legs but those legs enabled him to pass. Without the legs he&#8217;s awful. RGIII is a much better passer than all three of those guys but would his accuracy be what it is if defenses only have to worry about him as if he were slow footed Joe Flacco?? No way!! I&#8217;m hoping he recovers. For football, for the NFC East and for Birds fans. NFC East football isn&#8217;t fun unless you&#8217;ve got lots of guys to hate on your rivals.  Here&#8217;s hoping he&#8217;s okay and I&#8217;m wrong. History says I&#8217;m not.</p>
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		<title>By: justinxxchunche3</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 00:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh so you mean he won&#039;t be able to outrun every other player in the league now??? Oh what a shame... A knee brace with 70%mobility still left him outrunning everyone. He shall study Collin kapernicks ability to just RUN OUT OF BOUNDS, and remember his true identity. Which isn&#039;t running he just wanted to showcase that to much. THIS GUY IS A POCKET PASSER. An o line that wAsnt great as pass blocking only looked good with the quick zone read running game shall improve on the offseason, as well as getting 2 safeties 2 corners and the best pass rusher we haven&#039;t had all season (orakpo week2) and the defense maybe won&#039;t allow 30+per game and maybe rg3 can become a russel Wilson and have a defense who only allows 15.1 points a game, maybe he only needs to score two tds and a fg to win? Maybe? All in all this guy is special. Even with a 100% recovery I expect them to come out next season and open up that 80% of the playbook they haven&#039;t used yet(quote mike shannahan) with an ok pass block and ok knee and a 3-4 wr set this guy can still be deadly alluding the rush and passing downfield. Not counting the final playoff game when he shouldn&#039;t have been in considering he couldn&#039;t throw off his foot cuz of the knee pain an all his passes sailing, he can throw the ball, the world class speed is just icing on the cake and desert. But this year desert had to be served as an appetizer unfortunately.  he had the best completion percentage of any rookie EVER, and number 3 in qb rating while missing a game and playing the final 4-5 with an injury and knee brace only allowing 70 percent knee extension and in those games he still averaged 10+ypc and 3 rushing tds???? C&#039;mon I&#039;m just as concerned as anybody, but even If he was the slowest qb in the league if be stoked to have him over luck or Wilson or anyone, the way this guy can pass an read defenses....he just has to much ability and he focuse on the easiest one (world class speed) and it cost him. Seeing what this rookie qb and rookie rb did in one year in a very long and complex playbook offense missing both safeties a cb an pass rusher and still won the NFC east? I&#039;m not so much worried as to him healing as I am to the countless possibilities shanahan can add to this offense in the offseason with these two rookies and let&#039;s not forget we should be getting back our defense. Scary]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh so you mean he won&#8217;t be able to outrun every other player in the league now??? Oh what a shame&#8230; A knee brace with 70%mobility still left him outrunning everyone. He shall study Collin kapernicks ability to just RUN OUT OF BOUNDS, and remember his true identity. Which isn&#8217;t running he just wanted to showcase that to much. THIS GUY IS A POCKET PASSER. An o line that wAsnt great as pass blocking only looked good with the quick zone read running game shall improve on the offseason, as well as getting 2 safeties 2 corners and the best pass rusher we haven&#8217;t had all season (orakpo week2) and the defense maybe won&#8217;t allow 30+per game and maybe rg3 can become a russel Wilson and have a defense who only allows 15.1 points a game, maybe he only needs to score two tds and a fg to win? Maybe? All in all this guy is special. Even with a 100% recovery I expect them to come out next season and open up that 80% of the playbook they haven&#8217;t used yet(quote mike shannahan) with an ok pass block and ok knee and a 3-4 wr set this guy can still be deadly alluding the rush and passing downfield. Not counting the final playoff game when he shouldn&#8217;t have been in considering he couldn&#8217;t throw off his foot cuz of the knee pain an all his passes sailing, he can throw the ball, the world class speed is just icing on the cake and desert. But this year desert had to be served as an appetizer unfortunately.  he had the best completion percentage of any rookie EVER, and number 3 in qb rating while missing a game and playing the final 4-5 with an injury and knee brace only allowing 70 percent knee extension and in those games he still averaged 10+ypc and 3 rushing tds???? C&#8217;mon I&#8217;m just as concerned as anybody, but even If he was the slowest qb in the league if be stoked to have him over luck or Wilson or anyone, the way this guy can pass an read defenses&#8230;.he just has to much ability and he focuse on the easiest one (world class speed) and it cost him. Seeing what this rookie qb and rookie rb did in one year in a very long and complex playbook offense missing both safeties a cb an pass rusher and still won the NFC east? I&#8217;m not so much worried as to him healing as I am to the countless possibilities shanahan can add to this offense in the offseason with these two rookies and let&#8217;s not forget we should be getting back our defense. Scary</p>
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		<title>By: escapedconvict</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Griffin&#039;s ego got him into this situation as much as anything.  He played the humble routine, but I&#039;m not so sure how humble he really was.  Who the hell is he to say, &quot;there was no way I was leaving the game?&quot;  Also, When he approached Tony Romo after the last Dallas game this season and tried to give him advice it made me ill.  Who the fk is this rookie trying to pass on his great wisdom to a veteran QB?  Romo should have told him to get bent.  And maybe that&#039;s the problem with Romo as well.  To quote Damone from Fast Times, &quot;You my friend are a wussy.  Part wimp, part pu*sy.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Griffin&#8217;s ego got him into this situation as much as anything.  He played the humble routine, but I&#8217;m not so sure how humble he really was.  Who the hell is he to say, &#8220;there was no way I was leaving the game?&#8221;  Also, When he approached Tony Romo after the last Dallas game this season and tried to give him advice it made me ill.  Who the fk is this rookie trying to pass on his great wisdom to a veteran QB?  Romo should have told him to get bent.  And maybe that&#8217;s the problem with Romo as well.  To quote Damone from Fast Times, &#8220;You my friend are a wussy.  Part wimp, part pu*sy.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: johnnyballsack</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[johnnyballsack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 22:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[leafeaterx- 
Very good points.   However arthroplasty and OATS procedures are mainly used long term to make pain more manageable in a fairly sedentary lifestyles, not under NFL conditions.  I had them done and continued an athletic career (not NFL caliber).  After a few years the problems returned and the pain, while diminished, is still there.   I will always have to deal with the pain and problems until I get total knee replacements.   

I just hope that Mr. Griffin allows his body enough time to heal and rehab properly before stepping back out on the field.  I would think that sitting out the 2013 season would be the only smart decision for the possibility of having a long career.  I wish him good luck.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>leafeaterx-<br />
Very good points.   However arthroplasty and OATS procedures are mainly used long term to make pain more manageable in a fairly sedentary lifestyles, not under NFL conditions.  I had them done and continued an athletic career (not NFL caliber).  After a few years the problems returned and the pain, while diminished, is still there.   I will always have to deal with the pain and problems until I get total knee replacements.   </p>
<p>I just hope that Mr. Griffin allows his body enough time to heal and rehab properly before stepping back out on the field.  I would think that sitting out the 2013 season would be the only smart decision for the possibility of having a long career.  I wish him good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: jayrus33</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 22:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I strongly feel that RGIII  is so strong and has a very strong will that he&#039;ll fool alot of folks and be ready by the season opener!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I strongly feel that RGIII  is so strong and has a very strong will that he&#8217;ll fool alot of folks and be ready by the season opener!</p>
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		<title>By: leafeaterx</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[leafeaterx]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Apart from the fact that there’s no way to know how the ACL will rehab, the biggest concern, as the source explained it, is the damage to Griffin’s cartilage.  With the ACL in the right knee now torn twice in less than four years, Griffin has lost enough cartilage in his knee to raise concerns about how much remains and how long it will last.  Eventually, Griffin could be dealing with bone-on-bone contact, and the chronic pain that goes along with it.&quot;

Of course it might never need to come to this, as one can simply perform an arthroplasty procedure to regrow cartilage if necessary that has a six week recovery time.  Don&#039;t be surprised if Griffin ends up having this performed at some point.  

Further, the problem is pain management when there&#039;s a significant loss of cartilage.  This can be managed using various medications.  After his career, I expect him to have to get a knee replacement at some point sadly...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Apart from the fact that there’s no way to know how the ACL will rehab, the biggest concern, as the source explained it, is the damage to Griffin’s cartilage.  With the ACL in the right knee now torn twice in less than four years, Griffin has lost enough cartilage in his knee to raise concerns about how much remains and how long it will last.  Eventually, Griffin could be dealing with bone-on-bone contact, and the chronic pain that goes along with it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course it might never need to come to this, as one can simply perform an arthroplasty procedure to regrow cartilage if necessary that has a six week recovery time.  Don&#8217;t be surprised if Griffin ends up having this performed at some point.  </p>
<p>Further, the problem is pain management when there&#8217;s a significant loss of cartilage.  This can be managed using various medications.  After his career, I expect him to have to get a knee replacement at some point sadly&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bullroughrider</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 13:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think Robert Griffin will recover fully -- he&#039;s a quality kid with amazing work ethic and commitment -- although I think the Skins will have to be cautious on when they actually line him up back on the field.  I watched him play regularly throughout the season, and he is obviously an incredible player, total package.  My concern has been the number and types of hits Griffin endured throughout the regular season, that possibly had a cumulative effect and made his body more vulnerable to injury especially towards the end of the season.  I remember several times when RGIII took some devastating hits by the defense and I wondered why didn&#039;t he try to avoid contact (even though he bounced right back up as if nothing happened).  Last night vs. Green Bay, in addition to a solid game in the air Colin Kaepernick rushed for a record breaking number of yards for a QB of 181 yards on 14 carries.  Of his 14 carries, I can recall two rushing attempts where I thought Colin took hard shots by the Packers defense.  He&#039;s bigger than RGIII, and it would appear CK recognizes the importance of protecting himself and last night he often either ran out of bounds or got down / slid before the tackle.  IMO the Skins coaching staff and Griffin need to work on his avoiding contact -- particularly when unnecessary -- in order for Robert to have a long, outstanding career.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Robert Griffin will recover fully &#8212; he&#8217;s a quality kid with amazing work ethic and commitment &#8212; although I think the Skins will have to be cautious on when they actually line him up back on the field.  I watched him play regularly throughout the season, and he is obviously an incredible player, total package.  My concern has been the number and types of hits Griffin endured throughout the regular season, that possibly had a cumulative effect and made his body more vulnerable to injury especially towards the end of the season.  I remember several times when RGIII took some devastating hits by the defense and I wondered why didn&#8217;t he try to avoid contact (even though he bounced right back up as if nothing happened).  Last night vs. Green Bay, in addition to a solid game in the air Colin Kaepernick rushed for a record breaking number of yards for a QB of 181 yards on 14 carries.  Of his 14 carries, I can recall two rushing attempts where I thought Colin took hard shots by the Packers defense.  He&#8217;s bigger than RGIII, and it would appear CK recognizes the importance of protecting himself and last night he often either ran out of bounds or got down / slid before the tackle.  IMO the Skins coaching staff and Griffin need to work on his avoiding contact &#8212; particularly when unnecessary &#8212; in order for Robert to have a long, outstanding career.</p>
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		<title>By: richturpin</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 13:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You &#039;fans&#039; are too much, I didn&#039;t see the comment/message boards filling up when Griffin was playing hurt during the Eagles and Cowboys game..he wasn&#039;t 100% after the Ravens game yet nobody seemed to care because the Redskins were winners of 7 straight and the NFC East title.  Now, after the fact, Griffin is badly injured and everyone wants to fire Shanahan...Shanahan was doing what he had done the previous 2 weeks, play his injured QB.  

NONE of you know what conversations took place between Griffin/Shanny OR team doctors/Shanny for that matter.  

Further, everyone keeps saying &#039;Shanny put him in danger by running him&#039;, well that&#039;s not exactly true considering the initial injury against the Ravens took place on a scramble, not a designed run.  Griffin needs to learn to get out of bounds/slide like Colin Kaepernick.  

When are &#039;fans&#039; going to start pointing the finger at Robert Griffin III?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You &#8216;fans&#8217; are too much, I didn&#8217;t see the comment/message boards filling up when Griffin was playing hurt during the Eagles and Cowboys game..he wasn&#8217;t 100% after the Ravens game yet nobody seemed to care because the Redskins were winners of 7 straight and the NFC East title.  Now, after the fact, Griffin is badly injured and everyone wants to fire Shanahan&#8230;Shanahan was doing what he had done the previous 2 weeks, play his injured QB.  </p>
<p>NONE of you know what conversations took place between Griffin/Shanny OR team doctors/Shanny for that matter.  </p>
<p>Further, everyone keeps saying &#8216;Shanny put him in danger by running him&#8217;, well that&#8217;s not exactly true considering the initial injury against the Ravens took place on a scramble, not a designed run.  Griffin needs to learn to get out of bounds/slide like Colin Kaepernick.  </p>
<p>When are &#8216;fans&#8217; going to start pointing the finger at Robert Griffin III?</p>
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		<title>By: sysi45</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 05:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is why a running QB will never be successful in the NFL. In college, they play 11 games for 2 or 3 years and don’t get hit as hard as in the NFL.  They may last for a year or two but once the knees get messed up, they are done.  RG3, Kaepernick, Wilson and Tebow (if they give him a chance) will last 2 to 3 years before they are crippled or suffering from concussions.  It is a fools errand for GMs and Coaches to try to change the system.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why a running QB will never be successful in the NFL. In college, they play 11 games for 2 or 3 years and don’t get hit as hard as in the NFL.  They may last for a year or two but once the knees get messed up, they are done.  RG3, Kaepernick, Wilson and Tebow (if they give him a chance) will last 2 to 3 years before they are crippled or suffering from concussions.  It is a fools errand for GMs and Coaches to try to change the system.</p>
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		<title>By: sysi45</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 05:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is why a running QB will never be successful in the NFL. In college, they play 11 games for 2 or 3 years and don&#039;t get hit as hard as in the NFL.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why a running QB will never be successful in the NFL. In college, they play 11 games for 2 or 3 years and don&#8217;t get hit as hard as in the NFL.</p>
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		<title>By: BeachBum46</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 04:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[bobzilla1001 says: Jan 12, 2013 3:00 PM

The reason the Redskins drafted TWO quarterbacks last spring was because they knew Griffin’s durability was questionable.
The organization’s hunch is about to be realized. Kirk Cousins is no slouch.
______________________________
They should have saved all those draft picks then and just drafted Cousins! Why would they be so stupid if they didn&#039;t think they would have RGIII for many years to come....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bobzilla1001 says: Jan 12, 2013 3:00 PM</p>
<p>The reason the Redskins drafted TWO quarterbacks last spring was because they knew Griffin’s durability was questionable.<br />
The organization’s hunch is about to be realized. Kirk Cousins is no slouch.<br />
______________________________<br />
They should have saved all those draft picks then and just drafted Cousins! Why would they be so stupid if they didn&#8217;t think they would have RGIII for many years to come&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: dallascowboysdishingthereal</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 03:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Owner Snyder gave the farm away to get RG3 and then Shanahan plays him while injured like it was a now or never season. Incredible and not smart.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Owner Snyder gave the farm away to get RG3 and then Shanahan plays him while injured like it was a now or never season. Incredible and not smart.</p>
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		<title>By: jwreck</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jwreck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 01:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[olympiacham says:
Jan 12, 2013 7:59 PM
Hopefully he can fully recover, but you never know how anyone is going to heal. Just ask Brandon Roy.
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Somebody mentioned Brandon Roy earlier.  Roy is one of my favorite athletes ever, and I&#039;m from DC, so needless to say, my response droned on for way too long and it got deleted.  But to summarize, Roy and Griffin do not have particularly similar injuries, and their healing process will be very different.

  Basketball courts are vastly more resistant (the physical therapy word for harder) than football fields, causing more knee strain.  On top of that, cutting and jumping put more of a grinding, cartilage destroying strain on the knees than anything in football apart from runningbacks pushing through piles (hence their short shelf lives)

Brandon Roy is a great athlete, but he has no knees.  Which is not a pun, but is to say that when he goes up, he comes down way too hard.

By the time he entered the NBA, his knees had already become a problem, and his first knee operation actually removed cartilage, rather than fixing it, as they would do today.  Roy was supposed to take two months off, but was on the court again in less than two weeks.

  The next year, his steadily degrading knees along with the subpar surgery caused a bone contusion, which should have put him on IR.  Instead, he was playing again 8 days later.

   Roy had arthroscopic surgery on his knees the following year: a procedure very similar to what Griffin is having done.  The Third will be sitting out at least six months to heal up, Roy took one.

Point is, it was no single injury that led to Roy&#039;s debilitation, but a lifetime of extreme wear, tear, and poor physical therapy practices. Though his career looks pretty much over now, keep in mind that not only does medical science advance exponentially every year, but Roy battled with his knees through 23 years of knee-grinding, cartilage-crushing AAU, high school, college, and professional basketball.

In other words, Roy is that broken-down 1988 Camaro that you try to keep running on duct tape and discontinued parts you find on the internet, while Griffin is a 2012 model that blew out it&#039;s transmission.  Is it good for the car?  Clearly not.  Is it a huge repair job?  Absolutely.  Will it run as well as it used to?  Probably not.

But is it in incomparably better shape than the 1988 lemon?  Without question.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>olympiacham says:<br />
Jan 12, 2013 7:59 PM<br />
Hopefully he can fully recover, but you never know how anyone is going to heal. Just ask Brandon Roy.<br />
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Somebody mentioned Brandon Roy earlier.  Roy is one of my favorite athletes ever, and I&#8217;m from DC, so needless to say, my response droned on for way too long and it got deleted.  But to summarize, Roy and Griffin do not have particularly similar injuries, and their healing process will be very different.</p>
<p>  Basketball courts are vastly more resistant (the physical therapy word for harder) than football fields, causing more knee strain.  On top of that, cutting and jumping put more of a grinding, cartilage destroying strain on the knees than anything in football apart from runningbacks pushing through piles (hence their short shelf lives)</p>
<p>Brandon Roy is a great athlete, but he has no knees.  Which is not a pun, but is to say that when he goes up, he comes down way too hard.</p>
<p>By the time he entered the NBA, his knees had already become a problem, and his first knee operation actually removed cartilage, rather than fixing it, as they would do today.  Roy was supposed to take two months off, but was on the court again in less than two weeks.</p>
<p>  The next year, his steadily degrading knees along with the subpar surgery caused a bone contusion, which should have put him on IR.  Instead, he was playing again 8 days later.</p>
<p>   Roy had arthroscopic surgery on his knees the following year: a procedure very similar to what Griffin is having done.  The Third will be sitting out at least six months to heal up, Roy took one.</p>
<p>Point is, it was no single injury that led to Roy&#8217;s debilitation, but a lifetime of extreme wear, tear, and poor physical therapy practices. Though his career looks pretty much over now, keep in mind that not only does medical science advance exponentially every year, but Roy battled with his knees through 23 years of knee-grinding, cartilage-crushing AAU, high school, college, and professional basketball.</p>
<p>In other words, Roy is that broken-down 1988 Camaro that you try to keep running on duct tape and discontinued parts you find on the internet, while Griffin is a 2012 model that blew out it&#8217;s transmission.  Is it good for the car?  Clearly not.  Is it a huge repair job?  Absolutely.  Will it run as well as it used to?  Probably not.</p>
<p>But is it in incomparably better shape than the 1988 lemon?  Without question.</p>
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		<title>By: peytonsneck18</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 01:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: therealzeitgeist</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 01:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All the folks blasting Shanny are half-right, but its not all on him. 

RGIII isn&#039;t some motorized puppet with an on/off switch, he&#039;s the body that knows itself more than anybody else. He felt what his leg was doing as the game went on, ultimately it was his choice.

What went down on that field, in RGIII&#039;s mind feeling his knee slowly giving up, was life imitating art a la &lt;i&gt;Friday Night Lights&lt;/i&gt; when the kid blew his knee out.

From RGIII doing that, to Michael Jordan&#039;s Wizards-stint, jocks need to learn how to be their own coach sometimes, and know when to stop.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the folks blasting Shanny are half-right, but its not all on him. </p>
<p>RGIII isn&#8217;t some motorized puppet with an on/off switch, he&#8217;s the body that knows itself more than anybody else. He felt what his leg was doing as the game went on, ultimately it was his choice.</p>
<p>What went down on that field, in RGIII&#8217;s mind feeling his knee slowly giving up, was life imitating art a la <i>Friday Night Lights</i> when the kid blew his knee out.</p>
<p>From RGIII doing that, to Michael Jordan&#8217;s Wizards-stint, jocks need to learn how to be their own coach sometimes, and know when to stop.</p>
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		<title>By: olympiacham</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 00:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hopefully he can fully recover, but you never know how anyone is going to heal. Just ask Brandon Roy.]]></description>
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		<title>By: crj202</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 23:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll be satisfied if he just plays again, ever! Just for his sake. But this means the return to the bottom for my beloved Redskins organization. First off in the rebuilding process? FIRE SHANNAHAN NOW for putting us in this situation to begin with!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll be satisfied if he just plays again, ever! Just for his sake. But this means the return to the bottom for my beloved Redskins organization. First off in the rebuilding process? FIRE SHANNAHAN NOW for putting us in this situation to begin with!!!</p>
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		<title>By: jwreck</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 23:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Griffin’s knee creates more concern than advertised&quot;
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 As much as I love unnamed sources; who also brought us such gems as &quot;The Colts are leaning towards Griffin&quot;, &quot;Ray Lewis will play another 2-4 years&quot;,  &quot;Tebow to Jacksonville a virtual lock&quot;, &quot;Andy Reid will be coaching in Arizona&quot;, &quot;Chip Kelly closing in on a deal with Philadelphia&quot;, and &quot;Chip Kelly closing in on a deal with Cleveland&quot;; this headline is beyond ridiculous.

  The sports media are the only one  &quot;advertising&quot; anything about Griffin, as well as the only one raising &quot;concerns&quot;.  The Redskins and James Andrews aren&#039;t quiet because the injury is vastly worse than they thought, they&#039;re quiet because, unlike NFL Network, ESPN, and PFT, their livelihoods don&#039;t depend on attention-grabbing headlines.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Griffin’s knee creates more concern than advertised&#8221;<br />
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 As much as I love unnamed sources; who also brought us such gems as &#8220;The Colts are leaning towards Griffin&#8221;, &#8220;Ray Lewis will play another 2-4 years&#8221;,  &#8220;Tebow to Jacksonville a virtual lock&#8221;, &#8220;Andy Reid will be coaching in Arizona&#8221;, &#8220;Chip Kelly closing in on a deal with Philadelphia&#8221;, and &#8220;Chip Kelly closing in on a deal with Cleveland&#8221;; this headline is beyond ridiculous.</p>
<p>  The sports media are the only one  &#8220;advertising&#8221; anything about Griffin, as well as the only one raising &#8220;concerns&#8221;.  The Redskins and James Andrews aren&#8217;t quiet because the injury is vastly worse than they thought, they&#8217;re quiet because, unlike NFL Network, ESPN, and PFT, their livelihoods don&#8217;t depend on attention-grabbing headlines.</p>
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		<title>By: 85pmart</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 23:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Knees are delicate.]]></description>
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		<title>By: jwreck</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 23:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[vuudu says: Jan 12, 2013 5:33 PM

Now, what if I told you that the greatest quarterback that never was played his first NFL playoff game with a known knee injury for almost the entire game, that his coach knew that he was hurt, he knew that he was hurt, but decided to show that he was a man and not something else?
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Damn, that is spot on.  Still, I&#039;m from DC, so I don&#039;t want to even discuss that, but I want to make sure you got props for what would otherwise be hilarious.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vuudu says: Jan 12, 2013 5:33 PM</p>
<p>Now, what if I told you that the greatest quarterback that never was played his first NFL playoff game with a known knee injury for almost the entire game, that his coach knew that he was hurt, he knew that he was hurt, but decided to show that he was a man and not something else?<br />
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Damn, that is spot on.  Still, I&#8217;m from DC, so I don&#8217;t want to even discuss that, but I want to make sure you got props for what would otherwise be hilarious.</p>
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		<title>By: offthelows</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 23:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I read somewhere else there wasn&#039;t any cartilage damage, but I&#039;m not RG3&#039;s doctor, but neither is Mike]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read somewhere else there wasn&#8217;t any cartilage damage, but I&#8217;m not RG3&#8242;s doctor, but neither is Mike</p>
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		<title>By: udontknowjacku</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 23:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They did not give up 3 first rounds!!!!!!   do the math moron...They gave up 2 and got RG3 with the other...so stuff it u idiot....]]></description>
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		<title>By: ryanpmcvey</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 23:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Griffin will be the new Michael Vick. Moments of highlights but he won&#039;t be durable. So glad the colts took Luck!]]></description>
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		<title>By: jwreck</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 23:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Or is it the Skins’ snarky fanbase…the one who made RG3 out to be superhuman?
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It’s one guy. One guy. And he&#039;s as much of a Redskins fan as Richard Sherman.  Why would any actual fan would put so much effort into ensuring undying hatred of the other 31 fanbases towards the Robert Griffin, the Redskins, and the Washington fan base?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or is it the Skins’ snarky fanbase…the one who made RG3 out to be superhuman?<br />
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It’s one guy. One guy. And he&#8217;s as much of a Redskins fan as Richard Sherman.  Why would any actual fan would put so much effort into ensuring undying hatred of the other 31 fanbases towards the Robert Griffin, the Redskins, and the Washington fan base?</p>
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		<title>By: eddiegabriel2013</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 23:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hope and pray he won&#039;t be the mark fidrych of this generation....]]></description>
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		<title>By: jwreck</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 23:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hooterdawg says:
Jan 12, 2013 5:32 PM
Jeff Fisher isn’t even Irish, but he is dancing a jig over all those draft choices now. Those choices are likely to be even higher first round picks if RGIII can’t recover and the Skins fall back to the bottom of the NFC East.
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Yes and No.  While having first round picks is awesome for the Rams, the idea that Fisher somehow pulled a fast one on the Redskins is beyond ridiculous.  No one knew that Griffin would be injured, hence the debate over Griffin for the first overall pick.

  Even if Griffin only comes back at 80 or 90 percent of his former speed, he&#039;s still a franchise quarterback, and there&#039;s no way to overpay for one of those.  Even if the most pessimimstic commenters on this site are correct and Griffin misses the whole 2013 season, Washington&#039;s draft picks were not misspent.  Griffin&#039;s knee situation was grossly mishandled, but he&#039;s unquestionably worth the picks they gave and more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hooterdawg says:<br />
Jan 12, 2013 5:32 PM<br />
Jeff Fisher isn’t even Irish, but he is dancing a jig over all those draft choices now. Those choices are likely to be even higher first round picks if RGIII can’t recover and the Skins fall back to the bottom of the NFC East.<br />
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Yes and No.  While having first round picks is awesome for the Rams, the idea that Fisher somehow pulled a fast one on the Redskins is beyond ridiculous.  No one knew that Griffin would be injured, hence the debate over Griffin for the first overall pick.</p>
<p>  Even if Griffin only comes back at 80 or 90 percent of his former speed, he&#8217;s still a franchise quarterback, and there&#8217;s no way to overpay for one of those.  Even if the most pessimimstic commenters on this site are correct and Griffin misses the whole 2013 season, Washington&#8217;s draft picks were not misspent.  Griffin&#8217;s knee situation was grossly mishandled, but he&#8217;s unquestionably worth the picks they gave and more.</p>
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		<title>By: irokkit</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 22:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know the answer!!!!!

Let him be a quarter backing Payton manning. Sit in the pocket and throw. His arm is okay...isn&#039;t it?]]></description>
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<p>Let him be a quarter backing Payton manning. Sit in the pocket and throw. His arm is okay&#8230;isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: fran021</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 22:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andrews is every bit as much to blame as  Shanahan.]]></description>
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		<title>By: FinFan68</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 22:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@skinfangray,
You make some valid points.  However, statements like--&quot;His rehab will bring him back better than he was before he was injured.&quot;--are no more informed than the ones you claim are stupid.  That is pure hopeful speculation and has no basis in fact.  

RG3 is a great athlete and seems to have a good work ethic.  I do not doubt his desire to heal.  Several doubt his ability to heal and be the same type of player he showed he could be.  Nobody knows.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@skinfangray,<br />
You make some valid points.  However, statements like&#8211;&#8221;His rehab will bring him back better than he was before he was injured.&#8221;&#8211;are no more informed than the ones you claim are stupid.  That is pure hopeful speculation and has no basis in fact.  </p>
<p>RG3 is a great athlete and seems to have a good work ethic.  I do not doubt his desire to heal.  Several doubt his ability to heal and be the same type of player he showed he could be.  Nobody knows.</p>
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		<title>By: blackqbwhiterb</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 22:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hope he heals well and completely, i sincerely do... But I am excited about the potential of Kirk Cousins &amp; wanted the Skins to take him in round 2 and not even draft RG3...because I know even more about football than Logicalvoicesays, I believe Cousins can be a fantastic QB for the Redskins]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope he heals well and completely, i sincerely do&#8230; But I am excited about the potential of Kirk Cousins &amp; wanted the Skins to take him in round 2 and not even draft RG3&#8230;because I know even more about football than Logicalvoicesays, I believe Cousins can be a fantastic QB for the Redskins</p>
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