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	<title>Comments on: Tuck rule strikes again, in reverse</title>
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		<title>By: patpatriot7</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/14/tuck-rule-strikes-again-in-reverse/#comment-2263509</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[patpatriot7]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 14:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Enough, already Raider fans.  How long are you planning on using the &quot;tuck rule&quot; to explain the state of the Oakland franchise?

Let&#039;s look at some facts.  What has happened in the 11 years since the &quot;tuck rule&quot; went against the Raiders?

First, the rule is still on the books (although reports are that it will be changed this off-season) and, as has been mentioned had been used earlier in the season with the ruling going against the Patriots in a game against the Jets. 

Second, the Raiders are 60-116, while the Patriots are 135-41 (regular season records).  The Raiders have one winning season and two .500 seasons.  The Patriots have 11 winning seasons.

Third,  Yes, the Patriots were the &quot;laughing stock of the league&quot; but that was because of the Sullivan ownership.   During this stretch, the Patriots have been a model franchise with  Robert Kraft the owner, Bill Belichick the coach and Tom Brady the quarterback.  Rather than list the coaches and quarterbacks of the Raiders, I&#039;ll simply say that there has been no consistency in Oakland (can you say Jamarcus Russell?).   

Finally, not only did Ben Dreith make a phantom call against &quot;Sugar Bear&quot; Hamilton, but he admitted it before his death saying that he was a Raider fan.

So, whose delusional?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enough, already Raider fans.  How long are you planning on using the &#8220;tuck rule&#8221; to explain the state of the Oakland franchise?</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s look at some facts.  What has happened in the 11 years since the &#8220;tuck rule&#8221; went against the Raiders?</p>
<p>First, the rule is still on the books (although reports are that it will be changed this off-season) and, as has been mentioned had been used earlier in the season with the ruling going against the Patriots in a game against the Jets. </p>
<p>Second, the Raiders are 60-116, while the Patriots are 135-41 (regular season records).  The Raiders have one winning season and two .500 seasons.  The Patriots have 11 winning seasons.</p>
<p>Third,  Yes, the Patriots were the &#8220;laughing stock of the league&#8221; but that was because of the Sullivan ownership.   During this stretch, the Patriots have been a model franchise with  Robert Kraft the owner, Bill Belichick the coach and Tom Brady the quarterback.  Rather than list the coaches and quarterbacks of the Raiders, I&#8217;ll simply say that there has been no consistency in Oakland (can you say Jamarcus Russell?).   </p>
<p>Finally, not only did Ben Dreith make a phantom call against &#8220;Sugar Bear&#8221; Hamilton, but he admitted it before his death saying that he was a Raider fan.</p>
<p>So, whose delusional?</p>
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		<title>By: bunkerhillbob</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bunkerhillbob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 04:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Patriots benefitted from a stupid rule enroute to a Championship in 2001 and The Raiders benefitted from an imaginary &quot;hands to the face&quot; call, among other imaginary calls, that gift-wrapped a tainted Championship for them in 1976, so we&#039;re even; except for Raiders Idol, Jack Tatum, ruining the life of Patriots star, Daryl Stingley, with a dirty hit in a preseason game.  He paralyzed the guy and never once said any kind words to him after.  That&#039;s Raider Class, right there; all low.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Patriots benefitted from a stupid rule enroute to a Championship in 2001 and The Raiders benefitted from an imaginary &#8220;hands to the face&#8221; call, among other imaginary calls, that gift-wrapped a tainted Championship for them in 1976, so we&#8217;re even; except for Raiders Idol, Jack Tatum, ruining the life of Patriots star, Daryl Stingley, with a dirty hit in a preseason game.  He paralyzed the guy and never once said any kind words to him after.  That&#8217;s Raider Class, right there; all low.</p>
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		<title>By: ohioraider22</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 02:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why don&#039;t they just rule it fumble if the qb drops it? If another player puts the ball on the turf it&#039;s a fumble. Commen sense people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why don&#8217;t they just rule it fumble if the qb drops it? If another player puts the ball on the turf it&#8217;s a fumble. Commen sense people.</p>
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		<title>By: geofferystevens</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 02:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Because he owns a Siding Company he should&#039;nt ref a football game.  What its a football game.  He is smart enough to run a business he can handle the complexities of an NFL game.  Not like he was directing a space  mission.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because he owns a Siding Company he should&#8217;nt ref a football game.  What its a football game.  He is smart enough to run a business he can handle the complexities of an NFL game.  Not like he was directing a space  mission.</p>
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		<title>By: jacktheraven</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 02:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It looked to me like a tuck, then, Manning lowered the ball, to his waist, then fumbled.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looked to me like a tuck, then, Manning lowered the ball, to his waist, then fumbled.</p>
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		<title>By: flash1283</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[flash1283]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 01:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[psychosteeler says:
Jan 14, 2013 5:48 PM
sorry joesixpack but no one heard of the tuck rule until january 2002 so no,it wasnt called numerous times before that game because it didnt exist.they changed the name on the spot to the brady rule to help the pats because of 9/11.see steelers vs giants 2012 if you want another example of an outside event effecting a football game for no reason.like a hurricane on the jersey shore was a reason to cheat for the giants because they play in east rutheford nj? no.

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Sorry psychosteeler but it was called in a game earlier that same season. NE vs. NYJ , it was called in favor of the Jets when Testaverde dropped back for a pass and the ball was knocked out as he was bringing it down. So yes it did exist. The media dubbed it the &quot; tuck rule&quot; after the Patriots game.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>psychosteeler says:<br />
Jan 14, 2013 5:48 PM<br />
sorry joesixpack but no one heard of the tuck rule until january 2002 so no,it wasnt called numerous times before that game because it didnt exist.they changed the name on the spot to the brady rule to help the pats because of 9/11.see steelers vs giants 2012 if you want another example of an outside event effecting a football game for no reason.like a hurricane on the jersey shore was a reason to cheat for the giants because they play in east rutheford nj? no.</p>
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Sorry psychosteeler but it was called in a game earlier that same season. NE vs. NYJ , it was called in favor of the Jets when Testaverde dropped back for a pass and the ball was knocked out as he was bringing it down. So yes it did exist. The media dubbed it the &#8221; tuck rule&#8221; after the Patriots game.</p>
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		<title>By: radrntn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[radrntn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 22:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Manning and Brady BOTH FUMBLED...lets just face it ....a few months following the tragedy of 9/11, there was nothing better for the league, then to make sure the red, white and blue was represented, rather then the silver and black, who clearly won the game with that fumble.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manning and Brady BOTH FUMBLED&#8230;lets just face it &#8230;.a few months following the tragedy of 9/11, there was nothing better for the league, then to make sure the red, white and blue was represented, rather then the silver and black, who clearly won the game with that fumble.</p>
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		<title>By: psychosteeler</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[psychosteeler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 22:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[sorry joesixpack but no one heard of the tuck rule until january 2002 so no,it wasnt called numerous times before that game because it didnt exist.they changed the name on the spot to the brady rule to help the pats because of 9/11.see steelers vs giants 2012 if you want another example of an outside event effecting a football game for no reason.like a hurricane on the jersey shore was a reason to cheat for the giants because they play in east rutheford nj? no.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry joesixpack but no one heard of the tuck rule until january 2002 so no,it wasnt called numerous times before that game because it didnt exist.they changed the name on the spot to the brady rule to help the pats because of 9/11.see steelers vs giants 2012 if you want another example of an outside event effecting a football game for no reason.like a hurricane on the jersey shore was a reason to cheat for the giants because they play in east rutheford nj? no.</p>
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		<title>By: richwizl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[richwizl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nobody likes the rule, we all agree on that.  It was determined that Brady was attempting to tuck the football when it was knocked out, so no fumble.  Peyton appeared to have tucked the ball and, then, it was knocked loose - fumble.  NFL has problems with consistency, as well.  There were two clear helmet to helmet hits on Wes Welker yesterday that were overlooked, but the one committed by the Pats was enforced.  We won&#039;t even discuss the fumble recovery by the Pats that was negated by &quot;forward progress&quot;; ya, ok.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody likes the rule, we all agree on that.  It was determined that Brady was attempting to tuck the football when it was knocked out, so no fumble.  Peyton appeared to have tucked the ball and, then, it was knocked loose &#8211; fumble.  NFL has problems with consistency, as well.  There were two clear helmet to helmet hits on Wes Welker yesterday that were overlooked, but the one committed by the Pats was enforced.  We won&#8217;t even discuss the fumble recovery by the Pats that was negated by &#8220;forward progress&#8221;; ya, ok.</p>
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		<title>By: cmonelisha</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cmonelisha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[tuck rule is one of the worst rules ever. raiders got jobbed. league didnt want to admit it so they made up a brady rule..this is one scenerio where the league should say hey listen, refs screwed the raiders we covered it up were sorry cant change it goodnight]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tuck rule is one of the worst rules ever. raiders got jobbed. league didnt want to admit it so they made up a brady rule..this is one scenerio where the league should say hey listen, refs screwed the raiders we covered it up were sorry cant change it goodnight</p>
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		<title>By: nesuperfan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nesuperfan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[dikshuttle says:Jan 14, 2013 10:06 AM 

Looked to me like he got it back at the bottom &amp; then it got smacked out by a helmet.
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That is my take too, but we all got to see it in slow motion. The real issue is that it was called a fumble on the field, and to overrule that, they needed CONCLUSIVE evidence to overturn it. So even if you don’t agree that he had control again, and then lost it, and it really was in the process of the tuck, can anyone really say conclusively? I can’t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dikshuttle says:Jan 14, 2013 10:06 AM </p>
<p>Looked to me like he got it back at the bottom &amp; then it got smacked out by a helmet.<br />
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<p>That is my take too, but we all got to see it in slow motion. The real issue is that it was called a fumble on the field, and to overrule that, they needed CONCLUSIVE evidence to overturn it. So even if you don’t agree that he had control again, and then lost it, and it really was in the process of the tuck, can anyone really say conclusively? I can’t.</p>
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		<title>By: gabrosin</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While Manning&#039;s arm was contacted while moving forward, this did not cause him to lose control of the ball.  If it had, physics dictates that at the end of his arm&#039;s throwing motion, the ball would have come out immediately and headed straight to the ground.  Instead, when his arm&#039;s momentum stops, the ball&#039;s progress stops too: the ball is stationary at his waist level for about half a second, and then his arm was hit again, which is what actually knocks the ball free.  Fumble, and correct call.  Both Vidovich and Pereira, actual current/former officials, came to this same conclusion.

There were some questionable calls in this game against both teams, penalties that were shakily enforced and awarded first downs on generous spots of the football.  It was not a banner day for the officials.  But this call wasn&#039;t a mistake.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While Manning&#8217;s arm was contacted while moving forward, this did not cause him to lose control of the ball.  If it had, physics dictates that at the end of his arm&#8217;s throwing motion, the ball would have come out immediately and headed straight to the ground.  Instead, when his arm&#8217;s momentum stops, the ball&#8217;s progress stops too: the ball is stationary at his waist level for about half a second, and then his arm was hit again, which is what actually knocks the ball free.  Fumble, and correct call.  Both Vidovich and Pereira, actual current/former officials, came to this same conclusion.</p>
<p>There were some questionable calls in this game against both teams, penalties that were shakily enforced and awarded first downs on generous spots of the football.  It was not a banner day for the officials.  But this call wasn&#8217;t a mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: classyjacklambert</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[classyjacklambert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only thing that appears to be certain about the tuck rule is that all raiders fans hate it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only thing that appears to be certain about the tuck rule is that all raiders fans hate it.</p>
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		<title>By: spfripp</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spfripp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Personally, I hate this rule. If it is obvious that a QB is bringing the ball back to his body that means he no longer has the intention to pass the ball. So how can you call that an attempted pass? By rule that probably should have been called an incomplete but I just don&#039;t see how the NFL could call it one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I hate this rule. If it is obvious that a QB is bringing the ball back to his body that means he no longer has the intention to pass the ball. So how can you call that an attempted pass? By rule that probably should have been called an incomplete but I just don&#8217;t see how the NFL could call it one.</p>
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		<title>By: descendency</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[descendency]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;If the player loses possession after he has tucked the ball into his body, it is a fumble.&quot;

If you watch the replay carefully, at the very end Peyton Manning manages to pin the ball against himself and it stops moving (the tuck was over at this point). Mr McPhee then knocks it loose. It was a fumble.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If the player loses possession after he has tucked the ball into his body, it is a fumble.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you watch the replay carefully, at the very end Peyton Manning manages to pin the ball against himself and it stops moving (the tuck was over at this point). Mr McPhee then knocks it loose. It was a fumble.</p>
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		<title>By: raidernation210</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[raidernation210]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[and when were the Patriot&#039;s ever a juggernaut before the tuck rule or spygate??? hahahaha!! I swear these front running patriot fans are about as clueless as you get]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and when were the Patriot&#8217;s ever a juggernaut before the tuck rule or spygate??? hahahaha!! I swear these front running patriot fans are about as clueless as you get</p>
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		<title>By: thebrownswillalwaysloose</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thebrownswillalwaysloose]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Manning secured the ball when his other hand cusped the ball. Correct call. End of story!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manning secured the ball when his other hand cusped the ball. Correct call. End of story!</p>
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		<title>By: raidernation210</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[raidernation210]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If Raiders fans want to continue to whine about the tuck rule, why don’t they google “Sugar Bear Hamilton roughing the passer?” In 1976 the Patriots were a juggernaut. They were beating the Raiders in the playoffs, (after destroying them, the Dolphins, and the Steelers in the regular season), and Ben Dreith called a phantom penalty on the play that would have sealed the game for the Pats. Stabler took the second chance and drove them to a TD to win the game and they eventually went on to win the SB.

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it was a roughing the passer call which was a good call, get a clue and learn about football than comment]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Raiders fans want to continue to whine about the tuck rule, why don’t they google “Sugar Bear Hamilton roughing the passer?” In 1976 the Patriots were a juggernaut. They were beating the Raiders in the playoffs, (after destroying them, the Dolphins, and the Steelers in the regular season), and Ben Dreith called a phantom penalty on the play that would have sealed the game for the Pats. Stabler took the second chance and drove them to a TD to win the game and they eventually went on to win the SB.</p>
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<p>it was a roughing the passer call which was a good call, get a clue and learn about football than comment</p>
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		<title>By: itsfootballbaby</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe the ref did not apply the tuck rule because Manning clearly got two hands on the ball after it came loose, albeit briefly]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the ref did not apply the tuck rule because Manning clearly got two hands on the ball after it came loose, albeit briefly</p>
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		<title>By: raidernation210</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[raidernation210]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[luckyarmpit says: 
Jan 14, 2013 12:03 PM 
And, yet again, because I speak poorly about The Pats and precious Tom Brady, my comments are deleted. Amazing that other people who post OMGWTFLOL nonsense don’t get moderated.

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Don&#039;t feel bad mine get deleted all the time, whatever happened to freedom of speech]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>luckyarmpit says:<br />
Jan 14, 2013 12:03 PM<br />
And, yet again, because I speak poorly about The Pats and precious Tom Brady, my comments are deleted. Amazing that other people who post OMGWTFLOL nonsense don’t get moderated.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t feel bad mine get deleted all the time, whatever happened to freedom of speech</p>
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		<title>By: raidernation210</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/14/tuck-rule-strikes-again-in-reverse/#comment-2261079</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[raidernation210]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The league also said The packers vs seattle was a good call to. Never seen so many uneducated people on any website than on here. Do you really think Mike Pereira is going to admit a mistake or anybody on the rules commiee is going to admit it. Especially going against the Raiders. Please stop!! Brady ripped his chin strap off in disgust because he knew he had just cost his team the game. Anybody who thinks any different just shows how stupid and uneducated you really are]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The league also said The packers vs seattle was a good call to. Never seen so many uneducated people on any website than on here. Do you really think Mike Pereira is going to admit a mistake or anybody on the rules commiee is going to admit it. Especially going against the Raiders. Please stop!! Brady ripped his chin strap off in disgust because he knew he had just cost his team the game. Anybody who thinks any different just shows how stupid and uneducated you really are</p>
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		<title>By: luckyarmpit</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[luckyarmpit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And, yet again, because I speak poorly about The Pats and precious Tom Brady, my comments are deleted.  Amazing that other people who post OMGWTFLOL nonsense don&#039;t get moderated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, yet again, because I speak poorly about The Pats and precious Tom Brady, my comments are deleted.  Amazing that other people who post OMGWTFLOL nonsense don&#8217;t get moderated.</p>
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		<title>By: tjules21</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They just need to change the rule entirely, which I believe they are doing at the end of this year.  By strict interpretation of the rule, the officials made an error on this call and it should have been an incomplete pass.  I can see where one could make the determination that Peyton gained control for a split second before it came out, but I don&#039;t think he ever really had it again.

Bottom line, the rule should just be eliminated.  If the QB&#039;s arm gets hit as it&#039;s moving forward and the ball comes out, it&#039;s incomplete.  If the QB&#039;s arm is moving forward but with no intention to throw (tucking the ball away or clearly pump-faking) and the ball comes out, then it needs to be ruled a fumble.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They just need to change the rule entirely, which I believe they are doing at the end of this year.  By strict interpretation of the rule, the officials made an error on this call and it should have been an incomplete pass.  I can see where one could make the determination that Peyton gained control for a split second before it came out, but I don&#8217;t think he ever really had it again.</p>
<p>Bottom line, the rule should just be eliminated.  If the QB&#8217;s arm gets hit as it&#8217;s moving forward and the ball comes out, it&#8217;s incomplete.  If the QB&#8217;s arm is moving forward but with no intention to throw (tucking the ball away or clearly pump-faking) and the ball comes out, then it needs to be ruled a fumble.</p>
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		<title>By: j0esixpack</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK - so the officials clearly - and apparently correctly - determined that Manning was never in the process of &quot;tucking&quot; the ball

Thus the Tuck Rule was not applied.

Can someone clarify what the controversy is here?

The Tuck Rule has been called in countless games before and after the Patriots played the Raiders.  The Competition Committee - chaired by Patriots-hater Bill Polian at the time - confirmed that the Tuck Rule was appropriately applied. 

The Competition Committee has chosen to keep the Tuck Rule as is for over 10 years since.

Where is the controversy?  Is it just that Raiders fans cry foul and want to change the rules when it doesn&#039;t benefit them?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK &#8211; so the officials clearly &#8211; and apparently correctly &#8211; determined that Manning was never in the process of &#8220;tucking&#8221; the ball</p>
<p>Thus the Tuck Rule was not applied.</p>
<p>Can someone clarify what the controversy is here?</p>
<p>The Tuck Rule has been called in countless games before and after the Patriots played the Raiders.  The Competition Committee &#8211; chaired by Patriots-hater Bill Polian at the time &#8211; confirmed that the Tuck Rule was appropriately applied. </p>
<p>The Competition Committee has chosen to keep the Tuck Rule as is for over 10 years since.</p>
<p>Where is the controversy?  Is it just that Raiders fans cry foul and want to change the rules when it doesn&#8217;t benefit them?</p>
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		<title>By: jdfrox</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jdfrox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you want to cite the rule, cite the part that says that once the player tucks the ball, it no longer applies.  The ball was tipped while he was trying to tuck.  He got it all the way back to his body so the tuck rule no longer applies.  The 2nd hit is what knocked the ball out and it was the correct application of the rule.  At least that is what the former head of NFL Officiating Mike Pereira said during and after the game.  http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/referees-do-well-during-icy-game-between-baltimore-ravens-denver-broncos-011213  Sorry, but I trust Mike P more than Mike F on rules interpretations.  If you are not following this guy on twitter during the games, you are doing yourself a disservive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to cite the rule, cite the part that says that once the player tucks the ball, it no longer applies.  The ball was tipped while he was trying to tuck.  He got it all the way back to his body so the tuck rule no longer applies.  The 2nd hit is what knocked the ball out and it was the correct application of the rule.  At least that is what the former head of NFL Officiating Mike Pereira said during and after the game.  <a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/referees-do-well-during-icy-game-between-baltimore-ravens-denver-broncos-011213" rel="nofollow">http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/referees-do-well-during-icy-game-between-baltimore-ravens-denver-broncos-011213</a>  Sorry, but I trust Mike P more than Mike F on rules interpretations.  If you are not following this guy on twitter during the games, you are doing yourself a disservive.</p>
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		<title>By: russel5</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[russel5]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The tuck rule is dumb and should be eliminated whether you agree with the ruling on Saturday or not.

However, Bill Vidovich is the owner of a siding company in Portland, Oregon.  Bill Vinovich is a part time referee who probably shouldn&#039;t have been working a playoff game.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tuck rule is dumb and should be eliminated whether you agree with the ruling on Saturday or not.</p>
<p>However, Bill Vidovich is the owner of a siding company in Portland, Oregon.  Bill Vinovich is a part time referee who probably shouldn&#8217;t have been working a playoff game.</p>
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		<title>By: joetoronto</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[joetoronto]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The snow job in NE was the single worst call in the history of professional sports.



dienavinjohnson: I love how you put down Raider fans for still talking about it a decade later, but then reference a play from 1976, almost 4 decades ago.

SMH.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The snow job in NE was the single worst call in the history of professional sports.</p>
<p>dienavinjohnson: I love how you put down Raider fans for still talking about it a decade later, but then reference a play from 1976, almost 4 decades ago.</p>
<p>SMH.</p>
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		<title>By: shutupbrees</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shutupbrees]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lawyer-speak is ruining football.  We need an attorney, or Mike Piera to tells us what&#039;s a catch and what&#039;s a fumble according to weird by-laws in section 384-C of the rule-book.

A fumble is a fumble.  A catch is a catch.  Every time a ref blows it badly, the league adds in new verbage to defend the atrocious call by the ref, further clouding the game in perpituity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lawyer-speak is ruining football.  We need an attorney, or Mike Piera to tells us what&#8217;s a catch and what&#8217;s a fumble according to weird by-laws in section 384-C of the rule-book.</p>
<p>A fumble is a fumble.  A catch is a catch.  Every time a ref blows it badly, the league adds in new verbage to defend the atrocious call by the ref, further clouding the game in perpituity.</p>
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		<title>By: skinsfaninnebraska</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[skinsfaninnebraska]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, it&#039;s a good thing we didn&#039;t still have the replacement refs for this postseason, or there might have been games negatively affected by poor officiating.

What? Oh. Wait a minute....  Never mind.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it&#8217;s a good thing we didn&#8217;t still have the replacement refs for this postseason, or there might have been games negatively affected by poor officiating.</p>
<p>What? Oh. Wait a minute&#8230;.  Never mind.</p>
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		<title>By: riseabovecancer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[riseabovecancer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would have to Disagree...As you can watch it again and again. You can can that Peyton Manning arm was going forward...But there was no tuck.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have to Disagree&#8230;As you can watch it again and again. You can can that Peyton Manning arm was going forward&#8230;But there was no tuck.</p>
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