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Johnathan Joseph thinks the Texans are better than the Patriots

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The scoreboard may say the Patriots were better than the Texans this season, but Houston cornerback Johnathan Joseph doesn’t see it that way.

Joseph told CSNHouston.com that he still believes that the Texans are better than the Patriots, regardless of the Patriots beating the Texans 42-14 in December and 41-28 in January.

“Obviously we had the right guys in here to win 13 ballgames to get up to that point,” Joseph said. “For whatever reason, we didn’t advance. I still can’t put that over because I think we were a better team. I think we just didn’t make the plays at the right time.”

Asked if the combined 83-42 score of the two Patriots-Texans game indicates that the Patriots are significantly better than the Texans, Joseph said he doesn’t view it that way.

“Not at all,” Joseph said. “Just four or five plays. You take a few of those plays that they made and go the other way, it’s a different ballgame.”

When Joseph says “Just four or five plays” needed to “go the other way,” he is technically correct. When the Patriots beat the Texans 42-14, Tom Brady threw four touchdown passes. If on those four plays the Texans had instead intercepted Brady’s passes and returned them for touchdowns, and if the rest of the game had been unchanged other than those four plays, then instead of the Patriots winning 42-14 it would have been the Texans winning 42-14.

But while technically correct, that way of thinking is also utterly ridiculous. If you want to look at it that way, you could say that every game in NFL history would have been different if you reversed four or five plays.

Well, every game in NFL history except for one: In the 1940 NFL Championship Game, the Bears beat the Redskins 73-0. That’s the only game in NFL history that had a margin of victory of more than 10 touchdowns, which means it’s the only game in NFL history in which you could say that even if you reverse five touchdowns from one team and turn them into five touchdowns for the other team, it wouldn’t have changed which team won.

That game, incidentally, featured Redskins Hall of Fame quarterback Sammy Baugh throwing what appeared to be a sure touchdown pass into the hands of receiver Charlie Malone on Washington’s opening drive — only to have Malone drop it. After the game Baugh was asked if the result would have been different if Malone had caught that pass, and Baugh answered, “Yeah. It would have made it 73-7.”

Johnathan Joseph would be wise to take a cue from Sammy Baugh and accept that the Patriots are better than the Texans.

UPDATE 2:41 p.m. ET: The Texans say Joseph’s “I think we were a better team” comment meant the 2012 Texans were better than the 2011 Texans, not that the Texans were better than the Patriots.

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88 Responses to “Johnathan Joseph thinks the Texans are better than the Patriots”
  1. radtrigger says: Jan 16, 2013 11:24 AM

    Joseph and Roddy White must be best friends.

  2. tjacks7 says: Jan 16, 2013 11:25 AM

    If you take away all those touchdown they scored and if we scored touchdowns instead of all those field goals we would have crushed them! How can he say that with a straight face?

    The Texans are who we thought they were.

  3. Akula says: Jan 16, 2013 11:25 AM

    If it wasn’t for all those damn points they scored we would have beaten them. They pay to quick to…its just not fair.

  4. JohnG says: Jan 16, 2013 11:25 AM

    The better teams make the right plays at the right time. You didn’t make those plays and the Pats did, ergo the Pats are the better team.

  5. u2krazie says: Jan 16, 2013 11:26 AM

    Wat you talkin about Willis?

  6. denverwally says: Jan 16, 2013 11:27 AM

    Denial is not just a river in Egypt. If you delude yourself into thinking that you are just inches from your goal you will never make the changes needed to actually reach that goal.

  7. totallydisgusted says: Jan 16, 2013 11:28 AM

    JJ also thinks Pepsi is better than Coke.

  8. thashark316 says: Jan 16, 2013 11:28 AM

    As a Texans fan, I must say:

    He’s a damned fool.

  9. csndrew says: Jan 16, 2013 11:28 AM

    If you reversed 4 or 5 plays, Tom Brady would be a playoff choker who can’t win the big game.

  10. cardoso says: Jan 16, 2013 11:29 AM

    Joseph said. “Just four or five plays. You take a few of those plays that they made and go the other way, it’s a different ballgame.”

    Just man up, you lost twice, handily. If a couple of spots and forward progress calls go a different way…if the four or five returns don’t get pass the 20… you lose by 40.

    You’re gonna play them again next year, keep thinking your better instead of working harder and admitting and fixing your flaws as a team and you’ll see how that turns out.

  11. vandalay1 says: Jan 16, 2013 11:29 AM

    that’s why he plays defense…

  12. cincyhokie says: Jan 16, 2013 11:29 AM

    JJ, better teams make the plays at the right time.

    Everyone is laughing at you. Your teammates, your fans, the world. Stop.

  13. stevincinci says: Jan 16, 2013 11:29 AM

    Who cares what j-joe “thinks”. They got wooped both times they played them. Bottom line says it all.

  14. dprouse says: Jan 16, 2013 11:29 AM

    Everyone is going to jump all over Joseph for these comments, but if you are a competitive athlete you have to think this way. If you aren’t a fierce competitor with an unfailing belief in yourself and your team, you are going to end as an emotional wreck every time you lose a game.

  15. dinisco says: Jan 16, 2013 11:30 AM

    Hey Johnny, it’s ok to think it. That makes you a competitor. But saying it on the radio just makes you ignorant.

  16. bengaldiplomat says: Jan 16, 2013 11:31 AM

    Of course he didn’t whiff on any tackles that went for a score or allow his guy to catch any passes.

  17. rufustfireflyjr says: Jan 16, 2013 11:32 AM

    The human capacity for self-delusion never ceases to amaze me.

  18. emoney826 says: Jan 16, 2013 11:33 AM

    And if the Patriots converted on 4 or 5 more plays in those games, it could have been a lot worse for Houston.

  19. ososrule says: Jan 16, 2013 11:33 AM

    He can think what he wants, I mean come on the Texans came up with the idea to wear letterman jackets to Foxboro in the regular season. High School mentality in the NFL, what a bunch of clowns in Houston and it starts with Wade Philips, Clown numero uno!

  20. weepingjebus says: Jan 16, 2013 11:34 AM

    Even J.J. “One Tackle” Watt thinks this guy is bragging a bit too much.

  21. paul82461 says: Jan 16, 2013 11:34 AM

    You will have to wait for Brady to retire to have a chance.

  22. ravenator says: Jan 16, 2013 11:34 AM

    Ravens will finish the job Joseph

  23. contrarianjon says: Jan 16, 2013 11:35 AM

    Thanks for the update

    What time do you play next week?

    Oh, you have a tee time?!

  24. easyisle says: Jan 16, 2013 11:35 AM

    I’d imagine the Patriots are gonna go ahead and play this weekend anyway, right?

  25. sellout1983 says: Jan 16, 2013 11:35 AM

    Whatever you gotta tell yourself to sleep at night…

  26. tindeaux says: Jan 16, 2013 11:36 AM

    “Just four or five plays” needed to “go the other way,” … isn’t that a lot to ask for? I’d think he say just one play, but 4 or 5?
    c’mon, man!!!

  27. jameswestphal says: Jan 16, 2013 11:36 AM

    Wow, that mentality is exactly why that team laid down and got whooped twice

  28. cooklynn17 says: Jan 16, 2013 11:37 AM

    In a related subject, nobody on this planet thinks Jonathan Joseph is smarter than a door knob.

    Tom Brady……Matt Schaub, do the math.

  29. cmdrsmooth says: Jan 16, 2013 11:37 AM

    This guy should be playing for Rex Ryan. Delusional.

  30. daysend564 says: Jan 16, 2013 11:39 AM

    The guy is from the Bengals. He’s just happy the rest of his team isn’t in jail anymore.

  31. newmarketmaulers says: Jan 16, 2013 11:39 AM

    Whole team needs to just stop talking.

  32. datdangdrewdundunituhgin says: Jan 16, 2013 11:39 AM

    this is classic loser mentality. i’ve heard lions players say things like this for years (fans, too). if the texans ever want to live up to their talent they will need to accept the fact they have lots of work to do this off season, and do it. waiting on a change of fate is going to hinder the process.

    plus he just sounds like a jackass.

  33. jgava19 says: Jan 16, 2013 11:41 AM

    He also thinks the world is flat, dinosaurs never existed, we didnt land on the moon and planes didnt hit the World Trade Center Towers.

  34. flash1283 says: Jan 16, 2013 11:41 AM

    Bills on parade my a$$!
    More like lambs to the slaughter!

    Maybe you should talk to your boy JJ Not,
    2 games Vs NE, 1/2 a sack ZERO swats.

  35. sail105 says: Jan 16, 2013 11:42 AM

    Why does anybody give idiots like this any air/band width space? It is a complete waste of the time of every one capable of reading this and any other site to have to even click on this junk to avoid reading it.

  36. flash1283 says: Jan 16, 2013 11:42 AM

    That’s “Bulls on parade”

  37. damnsureis says: Jan 16, 2013 11:43 AM

    I’m thinking that a defensive player should shut his mouth after giving up 40 points to a team in consecutive games. Your wide receiver said the first match up was the biggest game in franchise history. It ended with the backups playing for the last 7 minutes.

  38. nite2al says: Jan 16, 2013 11:43 AM

    Joesph may be 100% correct, but you still have to play the game. Just ask the 1968 Colts…

  39. albertmn says: Jan 16, 2013 11:44 AM

    Wouldn’t a team’s inability to “make the plays at the right time” be the very thing that made the other team “better”?

  40. handsofsteelheartofstone says: Jan 16, 2013 11:44 AM

    I am sickened by the fact that the ravenator is still chatting away. im not surprised though, the ravens were handed four touchdowns in denver, two by the broncos secondary, and two by the referee who was clearly ignorant of the rules of football.

  41. 1oldpro says: Jan 16, 2013 11:45 AM

    Therein lies the problem with that organization. They always think they are a few breaks away from winning it all, whereas other teams see failure as a reason to go out and get better, faster players. Houston is one player and one innovative offensive mind from being elite. As long as they think they have the right guy under center, and as long as they use a system from a 1990′s NFL they will be King of the Wild Card, with terrific talent.
    In an NFL where DB’s are only allowed contact in the first five yards, why does a team throw five yard passes virtually all the time?

  42. JackAcid says: Jan 16, 2013 11:46 AM

    Yeah, usually most games come down to 4-5 plays. This is not unique and therefore, his comments are invalid.

  43. ecupatsfan12 says: Jan 16, 2013 11:46 AM

    Obviously Clay Matthews has been teaching him how to answer such questions

  44. mvp43 says: Jan 16, 2013 11:49 AM

    Denial is the first step……

  45. olcap says: Jan 16, 2013 11:50 AM

    So do I. They just are not better than Tom Brady.

  46. gisellichek says: Jan 16, 2013 11:51 AM

    I actually feel bad for this guy… it has to be pure torchure to have to watch the team you should have beat play in the conference championship…

    On the other hand… I really don’t … he is nuts.

  47. shots732000 says: Jan 16, 2013 11:51 AM

    If the Texans had a QB by the name of Tom Brady they would be better.

  48. zappa69 says: Jan 16, 2013 11:52 AM

    The Vikings won in your house when it was a must win game for you. What am I missing?

  49. icanspeel says: Jan 16, 2013 11:54 AM

    Wonder how many times the Patriots need to beat the Texans to prove their are better.. guess 2 isn’t enough. 2 not so close games.

  50. habsman says: Jan 16, 2013 11:54 AM

    If my Aunt had balls, she’d be my Uncle.

  51. azarkhan says: Jan 16, 2013 11:55 AM

    As Aqib Talib said regarding Brendon Ayanbadejo’s comments: “…that’s in one ear and out the other.”

  52. beardinals says: Jan 16, 2013 11:56 AM

    Obviously, concussions are a bigger problem than we thought.

  53. Patskrieg dot com says: Jan 16, 2013 11:58 AM

    This is America and I respect Joseph’s right to his opinion…

    His very very wrong and impossible opinion.

  54. number8nine says: Jan 16, 2013 11:58 AM

    Richard Sherman asks:

    “You mad bro?”

  55. igster1 says: Jan 16, 2013 11:59 AM

    that’s what this fool get’s for thinking.

  56. starchybunker says: Jan 16, 2013 12:00 PM

    yeah, if they’d only lost by 1-3 points/each game, he might have had more of a valid argument…

  57. devildog911 says: Jan 16, 2013 12:03 PM

    The Pats are a proven team. Texans? When Manning was still in the division, the Texans were nothing but a second place team. Manning didn’t play a year and the Texans took advantage. The Texans almost lost the division to the Colts who has a rookie QB. Let’s just say your run in the AFC South has ended because once again the Colts will dominate the division.

    For this guy to say the Texans are better than the Pats, he can join Seattle’s Sherman and eat some humble pie together.

  58. ravensfan8780 says: Jan 16, 2013 12:11 PM

    I guess Joesph is talking about his Madden team when he makes Shaub a 99 overall

  59. dvdman123 says: Jan 16, 2013 12:17 PM

    Ok let me start by saying I dislike the Patriots tremendously but even I have to admit they were hands down a MUCH better team than the Texans.

  60. raymondtx says: Jan 16, 2013 12:18 PM

    I am a texans fan, and i thought the same way after the first game. But after the pats gave the texans a 2nd whipping, I have come to the realization that the texans are still a player or 2 (or coach) away from the superbowl. Lighten up j-jo.

  61. kayakattack says: Jan 16, 2013 12:23 PM

    I’m not too sure the Texans are even the best team in thier division

  62. pinion8ted says: Jan 16, 2013 12:27 PM

    Is this the same defense that New England dropped 42 and 41 points on, this season?

    Sure, Texans are better ;)

  63. alphac00 says: Jan 16, 2013 12:34 PM

    Well, if you take Tom Brady out of the Patriots lineup put him behind the Texans O line then, yeah … maybe you’re right .. .. or , I know… maybe if you place Blaine Gabbert or Jake Locker behind the Patriots O line.. then yeah, I agree with you again..

  64. southpaw2k says: Jan 16, 2013 12:37 PM

    And the Chiefs were better than the 49ers, too.

  65. vablockaderunner says: Jan 16, 2013 12:44 PM

    If you disregard every single interception Rex Grossman has ever thrown, then technically, he is the greatest QB in history.

  66. fairbanksflame says: Jan 16, 2013 12:46 PM

    Texan fan here, but a true football fan also… I predicted both loses, da first a blow out, but the second a lil closer… 3 things I noticed that cost the Texans the game on sunday… 1st) Manning is slow on the returns that could have change the momentum… 2nd) Kareem Jackson played bump and run on Welker the whole route when Brady threw the sideline bomb just to back off him when the ball got there and gave up the big play… 3rd) On the Pats final scoring drive when they kicked the Field Goal, the defensive holding on Jackson gave the drive new life because the Pats was bout to punt… The Texans was making a comeback, but the mental mistakes on defense got them beat in the end… The Texans lack discipline, and until Kubiak can install that in they brains, they will never get where they want to go… P.S… James Casey had butterfingers on the first drive because Schaub put the ball right where it needed to be…

  67. texansdude says: Jan 16, 2013 12:51 PM

    Look, you can say the team is much better than displayed in those two games, but when you get thrashed twice……..come on, Jonathan, let’s reload and take ‘em next year, man!

  68. htown1035 says: Jan 16, 2013 12:52 PM

    Sorry, but I like this type of thinking – it’s better than the doormat this team has been for the better part of a decade.

    And the Colts aren’t winning the division anytime soon. Despite all the bashing the Texans get from this site and it’s writers, they’re still a good team with a young core of players and a lot of talent. The Colts still have to fix their OL and their defense, and they won’t be playing for a sick coach again – regression of the mean will bring them back down to earth next year.

  69. patssteelersorgiants says: Jan 16, 2013 12:58 PM

    I’m just surprised he actually thought something.

  70. rockthered1286 says: Jan 16, 2013 12:58 PM

    For everyone saying Brady is the difference maker, he was not in those 2 matchups. It was Houstons D. Or lack thereof. They were horrible. No pass rush, terrible downfield coverage (which Brady did exploit) and left the middle wide open. They were done for after 1 drive. Their defense looked pathetic. And who may I ask is a member of that D? That’s right- Jonathan Joseph. Had they actually showed up (for any of their last 6 games) they stood a chance… albeit a small one.

  71. annes22 says: Jan 16, 2013 1:02 PM

    I guess you can think it all you want, but you lost both games so what does that tell you?
    The Patriots are better and Tom Brady is much better than Matt Schaub. You got off to a good start at the beginning of the season, what happened at the end???

  72. damcmp says: Jan 16, 2013 1:09 PM

    Jesus he is stupid……….

  73. patsfan13 says: Jan 16, 2013 1:10 PM

    Joseph is an idiot if he thinks his team is better than the Patriots. If the games were close, maybe he would had a point. The truth of the matter is, they got whupped twice. Be a man and admit it. You want ifs, if the special teams for the Pats hadn’t given up the long kickoff returns, the score would have been even wider.

  74. patriotsfan54 says: Jan 16, 2013 1:13 PM

    So, in other words, what this guy is trying to say is…..

    If we hadn’t lost, we would have won.

  75. goods65 says: Jan 16, 2013 1:30 PM

    if he says the texans are better than the pats,then why did the pats smoke them TWICE?…hmmm makes ya wonder.

  76. SilentMajority says: Jan 16, 2013 1:33 PM

    That’s why they play the game!

  77. myopinionisrighterthanyours says: Jan 16, 2013 1:35 PM

    J Joe obviously went to the Brian Urlacher “School of Respect.”

  78. texans3four says: Jan 16, 2013 1:43 PM

    The JJ’s on my team sure like to talk a lot!!!

  79. vortexblaster says: Jan 16, 2013 1:47 PM

    Must have taught JJ (Low) Watt(age) how to wag
    his finger, what a “maroon”.

  80. matthewcarlson1 says: Jan 16, 2013 2:06 PM

    Clay Matthews thinks the Texans beat themselves.

  81. west4567 says: Jan 16, 2013 2:09 PM

    The 41-28 score on Sunday is, I think, an accurate representation of how good each team is. Anyone watching could see what the Texans need to change, and the holes that they need to fill. Shaub ain’t the problem; if fact, they’d do better if he had more authority to call the game. Offensive line, fullback, and an entirely predictable offensive strategy are the weaknesses.

  82. huskersrock1 says: Jan 16, 2013 2:13 PM

    Couldn’t you turn that around and say if you turned around 4 or 5 plays in the 13 games the Texans won they would be 0-16?

    I never realized the Texans were so close to the 2008 Detriot Lions.

  83. bunkerhillbob says: Jan 16, 2013 2:19 PM

    This is why Coach Belichick teaches his guys to speak in clichés; football players are good at football and, generally, not much else. If if’s and but’s were candy and nuts, right?

  84. brownterry13 says: Jan 16, 2013 2:23 PM

    As a Texan fan we couldnt beat the pats if they gave us a 4 toucdown lead J Jo needs to focus on getting better as a team.

  85. bengalskuta82 says: Jan 16, 2013 2:31 PM

    This is disrespectful to the NFL fans that were watching the game on Sunday..We aren’t idiots ..we know what team played better so don’t tell us otherwise..Just 4 or 5 plays made the difference.??.Well you’re being millions to play perfect football in the playoffs..No excuses the Patriots were clearly the best team..Like we all say “may the best team win”. I wanna sit down and relax coming Sunday and see the two best teams play..Not interested in watching boring teams like the Texans just do nothing but just run the football too much..

  86. pastabelly says: Jan 16, 2013 2:32 PM

    Each of these games could have been worse for Houston. The final scores don’t indicate how much of a blowout each game was and all of the garbage scoring and yardage Houston piled up. The big difference between these two teams is at quarterback.

  87. 49erstim says: Jan 16, 2013 2:34 PM

    Can’t wait to see the Super Bowl between the Texans and Seahawks in 2 weeks. I’ll bring the popcorn! Lolz

    J.Joseph needs to zip his lip here. The Pats throttled you TWICE.

  88. jsrdc says: Jan 16, 2013 3:24 PM

    Mr. Joseph,

    WOW – did you really just say that? 4 or 5 plays make it a different ballgame? Firstly, is that 4 or 5 plays on offense or defense? OK, let’s just entertain this for a moment. Let’s play devil’s advocate here, and say by adding a Houston touchdown on every one of those 5 plays, that brings that 83-42 point differential in BOTH games to 83-77. You are still losing both of those games by an average of a FG.

    Here is some advice, Jonathan. Look at the scoreboard at the end of the game. That is a solid indicator (and the end-all be-all) of who the better team was on that given day. It is clear to the rest of the world who the better team was. “better” can be a subjective term. You can sugar coat the two losses all you want. What isn’t subjective (but is factual) is which team is moving on and which team isn’t.

    It is clear to me that when you get beat as handily as your team did on two different occasions, the side effects from it can sometimes leave you dazed. I hope that is your excuse in this case……

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