Tim Brown “shocked” Trestman got Bears head coach job

AP

After a bad experience with him as an offensive coordinator, former Raiders wide receiver Tim Brown said he was “shocked” the Bears gave Marc Trestman a head coaching job.

“I don’t want to say it was a joke, but I just never saw Trestman as being a head coach,” Brown said on the Waddle & Silvy Show on ESPN 1000 in Chicago.

Brown was the lead dog in Oakland, with nine straight 1,000-yard seasons. But Trestman took over and some guy named Jerry Rice (who was familiar with Trestman’s West Coast principles) became a more prominent part of the game plan.

“The year he took over as offensive coordinator is also the year my reign with the Raiders ended because he made Jerry the No. 1 receiver instead of myself,” Brown said. “The year before I made the Pro Bowl and caught [91 passes for 1,165 yards] … and the year afterwards, the year he takes over I think I came like 50 yards from catching 1,000 yards in 10 or 11 straight seasons.

“Hey, look, I’m not a selfish player, but come on, if I put the work in, make this happen for me. We had some interesting words about that part of it.”

The personal beef is obvious, but Brown said he wondered if Trestman had the interpersonal skills to be the boss.

“He’s a really smart guy, knows football like the back of his hand. That’s not the issue,” Brown said. “But there’s a lot more to coaching than just Xs and Os. You have to be able to deal with players and that’s the reason [former Raiders coach] Bill Callahan hasn’t succeeded as a head coach because he’s a smart guy, knows football like the back of his hand, but when it comes to leading me, it’s a totally different intangible you have to have.

“It’s going to be very interesting to see how [Trestman] and Jay Cutler get along, that’s for sure.”

Those questions about Trestman are far from new, and there are plenty of NFL types who grumble about what they perceive as an air of intellectual superiority Trestman carries himself with. But he also has experience as a head coach (even though it was in the CFL) since then, and has likely learned something about man-management.

66 responses to “Tim Brown “shocked” Trestman got Bears head coach job

  1. So according to Brown: Trestman’s interpersonal skills aren’t the greatest because he made Jerry Rice a more prominent part of the offence over him? Sounds legit.

  2. Sour grapes, Tim Brown. Marc went to the Oakland Raiders in 2001 as the quarterbacks coach and in 2002 he was promoted to offensive coordinator. The Raiders led the NFL in total offense with 389.8 yards per game and passing yards with 279.7 per game. Under Trestman’s guidance, Raiders QB Rich Gannon won the 2002 NFL MVP award as the Raiders reached Super Bowl XXXVII.

  3. Tim Brown comes off like a jerk here – shame because I’ve always liked and respected Tim Brown…

    “I didn’t get my 1,000 yard season so he’s a lousy coach.”

    Spoken like a guy that you can win with… Oh wait, he never won.

  4. “Hey, look, I’m not a selfish player” says Brown, even though all of his criticism is based on his own personal achievements. Did he mention that Trestman helped take the Raiders to Brown’s only Super Bowl appearance?

  5. Cutler worked with Trestman before he was drafted, so there is already a relationship there. Plus Trestman is a very offensively minded coach. If anyone has any issues with the hire, it’s not going to be Cutler.

  6. Trestman is a bad coach because in his “10th or 11th” straight season his production dropped by about 200 yards or 20% over a full season? And that production drop came the same year an all time great at the same position joined the team?

  7. What? Jerry Rice comes to Oakland and Brown is shocked when his receptions dip slightly? He had 11 (ELEVEN) less catches than Rice in both seasons when Trestman was there, it’s not like his role was reduced to nothing.

    If his only complaint is that Trestman prioritized Rice over him (who wouldn’t? The offense also improved over the year prior.), and some vague implication about his leadership quality, he just seems like he’s trying to find something to complain about. It has been ten years, I’m sure Trestman has evolved since then.

  8. I know it’s hard to imagine ,Tim, but it’s possible Trestman has learned a thing or two about handling players in the last 12 years.

  9. Diehard Raiders fan here, and Tim Brown was my favorite player growing up and still my favorite Raider of all time, but seriously. This is ridiculous.

    Timmy, let it go.

  10. Jerry Rice had 1211 yards and 9 TDs that year… What’s the problem?

    If Tim has a bone to pick with Trestman he needs to pick a better bone than that. He did what best for the team, not an individual player.

  11. I just hope that Trestman is an honorable dude who gives low level scouting gigs to graduates of that school of pro sports management that he endorses. That would be classy on his part….but, I reserve judgment.

  12. If he sends someone out to the middle of the field for the face-off.. he may have been up north to long.

  13. Yes, any evaluation has some personal bias.

    Brown is correct when he states people skills are paramount to be a successful leader.

    Maybe Tresman learned that lesson in Canada. If I were a Bears fan, I’m not excited and in a few years, I have a feeling they won’t be either.

  14. Let’s keep in mind that when Jerry came over from SF he was on the downside of his career. He’d lost a step. His precision routes and great hands were still there, and with the short passing game Trestman was running, he was a good fit. Timmy was still in his prime. Not making excuses, but there were circumstances.
    And I recall more than 1 very heated exchange on the sideline between Trestman and Gannon, and recall seeing Marc looking like a whipped dog with his head down. I think that’s what Tim’s talking about here.

  15. Long time Cleveland Browns fan here – listened to Bernie Kosar give an in-depth interview over Trestman – the man said the ket ot being successful in Marcs offense – is understanding he believes in rhythm and precise route running – he will call for the long ball at least 3 to 4 times a quarter.

    Now you place and you will succeed – freestyle it and your like a square peg going into a round hole!

  16. I remember when Jerry Rice said that Norv Turner was a great coordinator but should never be a head coach. Although Turner had an OK run, he never won anything of significance. It sounds like Brown has some personal beef with Trestman, but when Hall of Famers like Rice and Brown (both high character guys) speak up and talk about the “it” factor in coaches…you may want to listen.

  17. Rice didn’t like him either..

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    “This is an exceptional hire for the Chicago Bears,” Rice added on ESPN. “He’s an offensive-minded coach. He’s a great play-caller. He’s a guru when it comes to quarterbacking.”

    Sure sounds like Rice doesn’t like him…

  18. I hate to say this, but the Chicago Bears are trying to out-unimpress the Tampa Bay Buccaneers!!!

    The Buccaneers made about coaching hire last year And it fell off the playoff radar during the final four weeks. It seems like the Bears will do worse.

  19. I’m excited to see him coach again. He’s been great everywhere he’s gone to and more noticably the quarterbacks he’s coached have gone on to have really good years.

  20. well I’m grateful the bears hired him, because there were rumors the raiders were considering hiring him as their OC. That was almost as bad as bringing back Knapp for round 2.

  21. Good luck Trestman:) Watch & learn lol. The CFL just celebrated it’s 100th Grey Cup, we like football up here in Canada & think for ourselves haha

  22. sd4838 says:
    Jan 16, 2013 5:35 PM
    I remember when Jerry Rice said that Norv Turner was a great coordinator but should never be a head coach. Although Turner had an OK run, he never won anything of significance. It sounds like Brown has some personal beef with Trestman, but when Hall of Famers like Rice and Brown (both high character guys) speak up and talk about the “it” factor in coaches…you may want to listen.
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    You mean HOFer’s like Rice, Steve Young and Marv Levy? You know, the one’s that have publicly stated this is a fantastic hiring?

  23. The days of having Trestman and the rest of the Four Idiots as the coaching staff in Oakland still make my skin craw. They were often refereed to as the Four Horsemen by the fans: HC Bill Callahan, DC Chuck Bresnahan, OC Marc Trestman, ST Bob Casullo.

    If you all remember, we were the “Dumbest team in America” as adorned by our head coach Bill Callahan.

    I was also at the Cleveland airport and watched as some fans asked him about his routine play calling. He did not have an answer as to why he never had an adjustments and ran such a vanilla offense. Outside the baggage claim his wife was pleading with him to stop traveling with his Raider luggage.

    I am with Timmy Brown on this one. I remember all too well my son getting bored and not wanting to watch the games as he called the plays before the huddle broke.

  24. I find it hilarious that people from Canada actually think the CFL is comparable to the NFL. It’s a step above semi-pro so therefore your opinion doesn’t mean much. All Canadians would probably endorse Bob and Doug McKenzie for NFL coaches.

  25. OK Timmy Brown you are now an expert on interpersonal relationships. Wow putting Jerry Rice ahead of you must be a crime at South Bend not anywhere else. So when Jerry cared about Super Bowls you cared about 1000 yards a season. You are weak boy. Another selfish Fighting Irish player. Montana was the only ND player who became anything. You, Ricky Watters, Brady Quinn are all mediocre at best.

  26. Doyour homework before you comment Tim. Jay cutler has worked with him already, by choice. Sour grapes too. Your team acquired jerry rice for a reason. The team was better with him. Sorry he took away some of your catches. Sour sour grapes dude

  27. Rice was done when he got to Oakland. And this is why I asked on the other thread, do people REALLY remember how bad Trestman’s offenses were at times?
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    What a shock, the packer fan is trying to dampen enthusiasm about this hire?!

    Hey bro, the niners just scored ANOTHER TD on your joke defense.

    Worry about your own boys.

  28. Its hilarious that morons who know nothing about Trestman or the CFL still feel the need to comment on both. Hardly surprising though. Introspective thought isn’t exactly an American trait is it ?

  29. “I’d like to personally thank the Chicago Bears for going to such extremes to make people in WI so happy.”

    Yeah a little ray of sunshine after your team got completely destroyed by a rookie QB. The gif of Clay Mathews literally spinning in circles as CK blows by him again is my favorite of all time.

  30. So many idiots commenting here. I’m not saying Trestman is a great hire, but who among you know anything about the inner workings of football? Very few, if any at all!

    Just like the idiots to diss the guy before even giving him a chance.

  31. Wasn’t it Tokyo that was just posting it is sad when the failures of a rival team makes a losing team happy? Then he says the perceived failure of the hire in WI makes its people happy?

    Hmmmm…. how ’bout them Niners?

  32. jfsargent3 says

    Sour grapes, Tim Brown. Marc went to the Oakland Raiders in 2001 as the quarterbacks coach and in 2002 he was promoted to offensive coordinator. The Raiders led the NFL in total offense with 389.8 yards per game and passing yards with 279.7 per game. Under Trestman’s guidance, Raiders QB Rich Gannon won the 2002 NFL MVP award as the Raiders reached Super Bowl XXXVII.

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    Nice copy and paste for Wikipedia there jfsargent3

    If you are going to plagiarize something, at least name the source.

    Tim Brown may be sour and true that is what Gannon did that year, but that is not a testament to the skills of Trestman.

    Gannon and the Raiders had a 12-4 record in 2000 and a 10-6 record in 2001. Gannon threw for nearly 4,000 yards in 1999 and again in 2001, and never less then 24 TDs in that span. They were 11-5 in 2002. All this for you if you are just a statistician.

    And if you look at position coaches throughout the NFL, more often than not if they spent their career there, which Trestman has, all over the place, since 1985, there is usually a reason for it. Some guys are better set being coordinators or position coaches than they ever will be at head coach.

  33. Tim Brown is a jealous and bitter tool. I can’t see how other Raider fans can respect him given that in 2006 he badmouthed John Madden in an attempt to derail his induction into the HOF.

  34. Tim, your production dropped slightly because:

    Charlie Garner showed up in Oakland at the same time as Rice.

    He caught 72 and 91 balls in his first two years there. Something an Oakland RB never did at that kind of level.

  35. The score in that Super Bowl, in the third quarter, was 34-3. Only garbage time accounted for the final of 48-21 (does that make it better or worse)?

    Bill Walsh, Lombardi, and Belichick could have gotten together to game plan for the Raiders and they still would have been thumped. The Raiders had a decent team going against one of the all-time great defenses. Also, they were kind of missing a center. Jus’ sayin.

    This is a sad attempt at relevancy. There are many what-if questions. Usually, you ask them for close games. I am sure Seahawks fans, for example, have a lot of what-if questions. On the other hand, I don’t think that 80s-era Broncos fans have too many.

    Get a grip.

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