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	<title>Comments on: Charlie Garner agrees with Tim Brown, sort of</title>
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		<title>By: youngmouth83</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 16:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m tried of hearing about who cares Jerry rice you alright out 4 or 5 rings give Tim brown one of yours so he can stop bitching I mean if you fell like this you should of told when if first happen not Ten yrs later ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m tried of hearing about who cares Jerry rice you alright out 4 or 5 rings give Tim brown one of yours so he can stop bitching I mean if you fell like this you should of told when if first happen not Ten yrs later &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: frankyvito</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 04:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whether you believe him or not, we need to get off the &quot;why now&quot; bus. I&#039;ve heard TB say this for at least over the last 5 yrs now... its just the first time he&#039;s went into such detail &amp; thrown Barrett Robbins into it so its been more sensationalized. I&#039;d probably hold a grudge awhile too if my one super bowl appearance was over before it started. But sabotage is definitely a poorly worded way of expressing it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether you believe him or not, we need to get off the &#8220;why now&#8221; bus. I&#8217;ve heard TB say this for at least over the last 5 yrs now&#8230; its just the first time he&#8217;s went into such detail &amp; thrown Barrett Robbins into it so its been more sensationalized. I&#8217;d probably hold a grudge awhile too if my one super bowl appearance was over before it started. But sabotage is definitely a poorly worded way of expressing it.</p>
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		<title>By: drasarp</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 03:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[jayquintana says: &quot;Only one thing is certain: Callahan’s coaching in that game was awful. Can’t think of anyone who did worse.&quot;

I can think of a coach who I believe did as bad: Lovie Smith in Super Bowl XLV, Feb 4, 2007. 

In my opinion, the second half of the Bears&#039; game compared to the first half was awful. Clearly, Chicago was better than Indianapolis in that rainy, messy first half. Then, Lovie Smith changed his game plan and it stalled the Bears in the second. I believe that by changing the plan in the second, it allowed his buddy, Tony Dungy, to win: Colts 29, Bears 17.

Tony Dungy was the first black coach to win the championship. In so doing, he was able to beat his good friend and protege in a history making game that featured the first two black coaches in a Super Bowl. 

I&#039;m not saying Lovie Smith gave the game to Tony, but it appeared to me his surprisingly different coaching  in the second half made it possible for his dear friend and mentor, Tony Dungy, to be the first African-American coach to win a Super Bowl.

Call me off sides for my observation and opinion, but that&#039;s the way it appeared to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jayquintana says: &#8220;Only one thing is certain: Callahan’s coaching in that game was awful. Can’t think of anyone who did worse.&#8221;</p>
<p>I can think of a coach who I believe did as bad: Lovie Smith in Super Bowl XLV, Feb 4, 2007. </p>
<p>In my opinion, the second half of the Bears&#8217; game compared to the first half was awful. Clearly, Chicago was better than Indianapolis in that rainy, messy first half. Then, Lovie Smith changed his game plan and it stalled the Bears in the second. I believe that by changing the plan in the second, it allowed his buddy, Tony Dungy, to win: Colts 29, Bears 17.</p>
<p>Tony Dungy was the first black coach to win the championship. In so doing, he was able to beat his good friend and protege in a history making game that featured the first two black coaches in a Super Bowl. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying Lovie Smith gave the game to Tony, but it appeared to me his surprisingly different coaching  in the second half made it possible for his dear friend and mentor, Tony Dungy, to be the first African-American coach to win a Super Bowl.</p>
<p>Call me off sides for my observation and opinion, but that&#8217;s the way it appeared to me.</p>
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		<title>By: polo550</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 01:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[alonestartexan says

I think he meant that the 2002 Buccaneers Defense was the best defense of that era. Which, statistically, they could have been. I don’t think he’s trying to say that the 1990-2010 Buccaneers Defense was the best every year. Realistically, the Bucs didn’t even have a winning season until 1997, and wasn’t a good team from 2005-2010
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Even if he did mean to say the 2002 Buccaneers had the best defense he&#039;s stuck on stupid. The 2000 Ravens Defense was easily the best defense and statistics back that up. The 85 Bears D held the record for least points allowed in a 16 game season and the 02 Ravens allowed less points than they did throughout the regular season and playoffs with room to spare.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>alonestartexan says</p>
<p>I think he meant that the 2002 Buccaneers Defense was the best defense of that era. Which, statistically, they could have been. I don’t think he’s trying to say that the 1990-2010 Buccaneers Defense was the best every year. Realistically, the Bucs didn’t even have a winning season until 1997, and wasn’t a good team from 2005-2010<br />
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<p>Even if he did mean to say the 2002 Buccaneers had the best defense he&#8217;s stuck on stupid. The 2000 Ravens Defense was easily the best defense and statistics back that up. The 85 Bears D held the record for least points allowed in a 16 game season and the 02 Ravens allowed less points than they did throughout the regular season and playoffs with room to spare.</p>
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		<title>By: judsonjr</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 01:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I still think it was probably Al Davis meddling.

Overall the Bucs caused a lot of havok forcing turnovers in their secondary.    The Bucs were very good against the run, so running the ball was not a sure thing.

However, if you look at the Bucs offense:  mediocre passing and terrible running game, it&#039;s probably not a bad game plan to run the ball, minimize turnovers, and play a field position game with Lechler and Seabass.  

I&#039;m sure Al Davis would have had his overhead projector out in a second hearing about such a gameplan.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still think it was probably Al Davis meddling.</p>
<p>Overall the Bucs caused a lot of havok forcing turnovers in their secondary.    The Bucs were very good against the run, so running the ball was not a sure thing.</p>
<p>However, if you look at the Bucs offense:  mediocre passing and terrible running game, it&#8217;s probably not a bad game plan to run the ball, minimize turnovers, and play a field position game with Lechler and Seabass.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure Al Davis would have had his overhead projector out in a second hearing about such a gameplan.</p>
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		<title>By: patssteelersorgiants</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 00:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Slow news day at the PFT offices.]]></description>
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		<title>By: dabears2485</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 00:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thunderstruck24 says:Jan 22, 2013 3:41 PM 

Just heard Shane Lechler agree with the game plan change and that he thought it was stupid. He did not go as far as to say sabotage. He also said that the pre game speech did not sound like gruden and callahan were friends. this was on the game 95.7

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Who listens to a punter for anything but golf tips or good places to relax in the afternoon?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thunderstruck24 says:Jan 22, 2013 3:41 PM </p>
<p>Just heard Shane Lechler agree with the game plan change and that he thought it was stupid. He did not go as far as to say sabotage. He also said that the pre game speech did not sound like gruden and callahan were friends. this was on the game 95.7</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>Who listens to a punter for anything but golf tips or good places to relax in the afternoon?</p>
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		<title>By: alonestartexan</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 23:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For the smarties, I meant they hadn&#039;t had a winning season since 1990, before 1997.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the smarties, I meant they hadn&#8217;t had a winning season since 1990, before 1997.</p>
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		<title>By: alonestartexan</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 23:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[polo550 says:
Jan 22, 2013 5:27 PM
You’re dilusional if you think the Bucs had the best defense in the 90′s and 2000′s. Better check the stats of the Ravens and the Steelers over the 2000 decade. Those two franchises stayed in the top 5. I could care less about a year here and a year there. Give me longevity and those 2 franchises have been doing it long term.

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I think he meant that the 2002 Buccaneers Defense was the best defense of that era. Which, statistically, they could have been. I don&#039;t think he&#039;s trying to say that the 1990-2010 Buccaneers Defense was the best every year. Realistically, the Bucs didn&#039;t even have a winning season until 1997, and wasn&#039;t a good team from 2005-2010.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>polo550 says:<br />
Jan 22, 2013 5:27 PM<br />
You’re dilusional if you think the Bucs had the best defense in the 90′s and 2000′s. Better check the stats of the Ravens and the Steelers over the 2000 decade. Those two franchises stayed in the top 5. I could care less about a year here and a year there. Give me longevity and those 2 franchises have been doing it long term.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>I think he meant that the 2002 Buccaneers Defense was the best defense of that era. Which, statistically, they could have been. I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;s trying to say that the 1990-2010 Buccaneers Defense was the best every year. Realistically, the Bucs didn&#8217;t even have a winning season until 1997, and wasn&#8217;t a good team from 2005-2010.</p>
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		<title>By: ktfulmer</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 23:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I tend to be skeptical of stories like this.  I will say that the one thing that gives me pause is how quickly the whole team quit on Callahan the next year.  I said at the time that it was strange that they had no faith in a coach who had gotten them to the big game during the previous season.  This would make sense a catalyst.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to be skeptical of stories like this.  I will say that the one thing that gives me pause is how quickly the whole team quit on Callahan the next year.  I said at the time that it was strange that they had no faith in a coach who had gotten them to the big game during the previous season.  This would make sense a catalyst.</p>
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		<title>By: yyyass</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 23:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Raiders were stronger with Robbins at center because it was like having three different guys all playing at the same time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Raiders were stronger with Robbins at center because it was like having three different guys all playing at the same time.</p>
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		<title>By: polo550</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 22:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re dilusional if you think the Bucs had the best defense in the 90&#039;s and 2000&#039;s. Better check the stats of the Ravens and the Steelers over the 2000 decade. Those two franchises stayed in the top 5. I could care less about a year here and a year there. Give me longevity and those 2 franchises have been doing it long term.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re dilusional if you think the Bucs had the best defense in the 90&#8242;s and 2000&#8242;s. Better check the stats of the Ravens and the Steelers over the 2000 decade. Those two franchises stayed in the top 5. I could care less about a year here and a year there. Give me longevity and those 2 franchises have been doing it long term.</p>
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		<title>By: justautumnwindbaby</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 22:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Uh, you guys do realize that jerry rice was miced up, and RECORDED.....l know thes guys that were in the truck. Perhaps someone should roll that tape?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, you guys do realize that jerry rice was miced up, and RECORDED&#8230;..l know thes guys that were in the truck. Perhaps someone should roll that tape?</p>
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		<title>By: jasonculhane</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 22:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since when did the Raiders run the ball anyway that year?  So then why was Callahan even initially practicing it in the first place?  He stayed commited to that gameplan until the friday leading up to the Superbowl.  To practice it throughout the whole week, then to change the gameplan again would mean the players are going into the Superbowl with passing plays unreahearsed.  

Its exactly what that passing game looked like to me.  Something that wasn&#039;t practiced.  Raiders went 2 weeks without any knowledge of what they were doing.  Thats the disadvantage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since when did the Raiders run the ball anyway that year?  So then why was Callahan even initially practicing it in the first place?  He stayed commited to that gameplan until the friday leading up to the Superbowl.  To practice it throughout the whole week, then to change the gameplan again would mean the players are going into the Superbowl with passing plays unreahearsed.  </p>
<p>Its exactly what that passing game looked like to me.  Something that wasn&#8217;t practiced.  Raiders went 2 weeks without any knowledge of what they were doing.  Thats the disadvantage.</p>
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		<title>By: jasonculhane</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 22:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I totally believe it.  Why change your gameplan?  What would be the reason to do it, if ya didn&#039;t know the other team wasn&#039;t planning against it.

Now we know Gruden was simulating Gannon during their practices...Then all of a sudden a game plan is changed to PASS the ball.  Well, hell thats what Gruden had been working on all week right?  Gannon had 3 picks six&#039;s.  

I don&#039;t know why this seems far fetched.  Its suspicious at the very least.  The guy&#039;s who don&#039;t want to understand it are WWE fans who think wrestling is real.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally believe it.  Why change your gameplan?  What would be the reason to do it, if ya didn&#8217;t know the other team wasn&#8217;t planning against it.</p>
<p>Now we know Gruden was simulating Gannon during their practices&#8230;Then all of a sudden a game plan is changed to PASS the ball.  Well, hell thats what Gruden had been working on all week right?  Gannon had 3 picks six&#8217;s.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know why this seems far fetched.  Its suspicious at the very least.  The guy&#8217;s who don&#8217;t want to understand it are WWE fans who think wrestling is real.</p>
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		<title>By: guinsslvr</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 22:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First off, let me state I am a Raiders fan.  Its sucked lately but hey we all choose our fate.  I gotta admit its kinda weird that Ole Timmy Brown is drudging up this stuff now... I mean a little to late isn&#039;t it?  But anyways as a life long Raiders fan I am starting to remember some things about that game and that season.  I loved Rich Gannon, him and Gruden were a perfect example of what can happen when a Coach and a QB really get on the same page.  Kinda like Payton/Brees before their marriage...well maybe not quite that good but you all get the point.  But the fact is the Raiders had one hell of a Offensive Line while in the Gruden years.  The years prior to the Super Bowl appearance they consistently ranked in the top 5 in rushing offense and along with a very good Oline had some a stable of good runners in Wheatley, Garner, Crockett, and a damn good FB in Jon Ritchie.   You have to wonder whether Defenses just choose to pick their poison when playing the Raiders when Gannon won the MVP that year.  Look this is kind of silly to bring up now but I believe that Running the ball against the Buc&#039;s damn well good of been in the Game plan to start.  The Buc&#039;s were probably the better team but I for one just like a watching some good competive football.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, let me state I am a Raiders fan.  Its sucked lately but hey we all choose our fate.  I gotta admit its kinda weird that Ole Timmy Brown is drudging up this stuff now&#8230; I mean a little to late isn&#8217;t it?  But anyways as a life long Raiders fan I am starting to remember some things about that game and that season.  I loved Rich Gannon, him and Gruden were a perfect example of what can happen when a Coach and a QB really get on the same page.  Kinda like Payton/Brees before their marriage&#8230;well maybe not quite that good but you all get the point.  But the fact is the Raiders had one hell of a Offensive Line while in the Gruden years.  The years prior to the Super Bowl appearance they consistently ranked in the top 5 in rushing offense and along with a very good Oline had some a stable of good runners in Wheatley, Garner, Crockett, and a damn good FB in Jon Ritchie.   You have to wonder whether Defenses just choose to pick their poison when playing the Raiders when Gannon won the MVP that year.  Look this is kind of silly to bring up now but I believe that Running the ball against the Buc&#8217;s damn well good of been in the Game plan to start.  The Buc&#8217;s were probably the better team but I for one just like a watching some good competive football.</p>
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		<title>By: thegregwitul</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 21:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The 2002 Bucs defense was easy to run against? In what delusional world are you living in? The Bucs were top five agains the run and number one against the pass. The Raiders were dominated, destroyed, embarrassed to such an extent that they haven&#039;t had a winning season since. The Bucs at least won their division a couple more times with Gruden, and that&#039;s what the haters forget to mention; Jon Gruden. 

Jon Gruden who was traded for draft picks and cash. The Raiders were in such disarray that they didn&#039;t even bother changing the offense, something Gruden did with the Bucs, who peaked as a complete team in the playoffs by destroying SF and taking out a tough Philly team at the Vet. I hope those pics and the 8 million was worth it, because it sure was for the Bucs.

I understand that the Raiders have a large and dedicated fan base, and I respect that. What I can&#039;t respect is a sore loser, and I know the Bucs were the better team. Scoreboard, son. That Bucs defense, along with the Ravens and 85 Bears are the three best defensive units of the last 30 years. So hit the thumbs down, haters, I&#039;ll savor every moment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 2002 Bucs defense was easy to run against? In what delusional world are you living in? The Bucs were top five agains the run and number one against the pass. The Raiders were dominated, destroyed, embarrassed to such an extent that they haven&#8217;t had a winning season since. The Bucs at least won their division a couple more times with Gruden, and that&#8217;s what the haters forget to mention; Jon Gruden. </p>
<p>Jon Gruden who was traded for draft picks and cash. The Raiders were in such disarray that they didn&#8217;t even bother changing the offense, something Gruden did with the Bucs, who peaked as a complete team in the playoffs by destroying SF and taking out a tough Philly team at the Vet. I hope those pics and the 8 million was worth it, because it sure was for the Bucs.</p>
<p>I understand that the Raiders have a large and dedicated fan base, and I respect that. What I can&#8217;t respect is a sore loser, and I know the Bucs were the better team. Scoreboard, son. That Bucs defense, along with the Ravens and 85 Bears are the three best defensive units of the last 30 years. So hit the thumbs down, haters, I&#8217;ll savor every moment.</p>
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		<title>By: okiny</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[okiny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 21:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[onebucplace says:

Face it, you played the BEST defense of the 90s and 2000s in that game and it showed. 
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You are high if you think that defense was better than the Baltimore defense that won in Super Bowl XXXV.  Bath salts high.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>onebucplace says:</p>
<p>Face it, you played the BEST defense of the 90s and 2000s in that game and it showed.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
You are high if you think that defense was better than the Baltimore defense that won in Super Bowl XXXV.  Bath salts high.</p>
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		<title>By: cubano76</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cubano76]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 21:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We need a concussion test for Tim Brown STAT!]]></description>
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		<title>By: classicfootballplease</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[classicfootballplease]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 21:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[tampa fans are delusional. Tommy Maddox came into Tampa and whopped on that defense, what top defense of all time lets Tommy Maddox beat them at home a month before the playoffs?


Ps check the stats of the 2008 Steelers, compare them to the 2002 bucs and 2000 ravens, lots of great defensive seasons of the 2000s not just Tampa Bay.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tampa fans are delusional. Tommy Maddox came into Tampa and whopped on that defense, what top defense of all time lets Tommy Maddox beat them at home a month before the playoffs?</p>
<p>Ps check the stats of the 2008 Steelers, compare them to the 2002 bucs and 2000 ravens, lots of great defensive seasons of the 2000s not just Tampa Bay.</p>
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		<title>By: 8to80texansblog</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[8to80texansblog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 21:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[onebucplace says: 
Jan 22, 2013 3:39 PM 
“jayquintana says:

Face it, you played the BEST defense of the 90s and 2000s in that game and it showed. 

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Are you seriusly suggesting that the Bucs we&#039;re the best defense over a 2 decade period?

I&#039;ll give you late 90&#039;s early 00&#039;s]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>onebucplace says:<br />
Jan 22, 2013 3:39 PM<br />
“jayquintana says:</p>
<p>Face it, you played the BEST defense of the 90s and 2000s in that game and it showed. </p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Are you seriusly suggesting that the Bucs we&#8217;re the best defense over a 2 decade period?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll give you late 90&#8242;s early 00&#8242;s</p>
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		<title>By: MasMacho</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/22/charlie-garner-agrees-with-tim-brown-sort-of/#comment-2285146</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MasMacho]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 21:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Zack Crockett disagreed with Brown on Mike&amp;Mike this morning as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zack Crockett disagreed with Brown on Mike&amp;Mike this morning as well.</p>
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		<title>By: str8infamous</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/22/charlie-garner-agrees-with-tim-brown-sort-of/#comment-2285127</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[str8infamous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 21:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This isn&#039;t the first time Tim Brown spoke of this...it&#039;s just at that time no one listened. I&#039;m a Bucs fan &amp; my belief is that we would have won regardless because of our record setting defense that year, The Pass-D was ranked 1st &amp; they took 9INTS back for TDs. Tim Brown does make a lil sense...You can&#039;t change an entire game plan that plays heavy to your opponents strength (Throwing too much), 2 days before the game. But everything else Tim is saying besides the gameplan sounds crazy. I&#039;m just waiting for someone else to confirm if the plan was changed before or after the Center went AWOL.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t the first time Tim Brown spoke of this&#8230;it&#8217;s just at that time no one listened. I&#8217;m a Bucs fan &amp; my belief is that we would have won regardless because of our record setting defense that year, The Pass-D was ranked 1st &amp; they took 9INTS back for TDs. Tim Brown does make a lil sense&#8230;You can&#8217;t change an entire game plan that plays heavy to your opponents strength (Throwing too much), 2 days before the game. But everything else Tim is saying besides the gameplan sounds crazy. I&#8217;m just waiting for someone else to confirm if the plan was changed before or after the Center went AWOL.</p>
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		<title>By: raiderlyfe510</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/22/charlie-garner-agrees-with-tim-brown-sort-of/#comment-2285120</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[raiderlyfe510]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 21:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a big Gruden fan, but I will say this. The Raiders got their revenge on Gruden in 2008 when Jamarcus Russell and Michael Bush smashed the Bucs in the season finale and sent Gruden to the coaching unemployment line. The Raiders ran all over the Bucs defense in that game. Shout out to Tom Cable. 

Now that everything&#039;s even time for Gruden to come back to Raider Nation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a big Gruden fan, but I will say this. The Raiders got their revenge on Gruden in 2008 when Jamarcus Russell and Michael Bush smashed the Bucs in the season finale and sent Gruden to the coaching unemployment line. The Raiders ran all over the Bucs defense in that game. Shout out to Tom Cable. </p>
<p>Now that everything&#8217;s even time for Gruden to come back to Raider Nation.</p>
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		<title>By: nineroutsider</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/22/charlie-garner-agrees-with-tim-brown-sort-of/#comment-2285102</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nineroutsider]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 21:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whatever game plan you had, unless the calls were completely changed (and they weren&#039;t), you were going to get roasted; Gruden knew all of your calls! 

The Bucs defensive guys talk about it all the time...they knew what was coming out of Gannon&#039;s mouth and running more would not have fixed that. They would have had to change all of their offensive calls over those 2 weeks and they didn&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever game plan you had, unless the calls were completely changed (and they weren&#8217;t), you were going to get roasted; Gruden knew all of your calls! </p>
<p>The Bucs defensive guys talk about it all the time&#8230;they knew what was coming out of Gannon&#8217;s mouth and running more would not have fixed that. They would have had to change all of their offensive calls over those 2 weeks and they didn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: JSpicoli</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/22/charlie-garner-agrees-with-tim-brown-sort-of/#comment-2285087</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JSpicoli]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 21:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[dasboat says:Jan 22, 2013 3:31 PM 

So let me get this straight. The #1 offense in the NFL, with the league MVP in Rich Gannon, was going to run the ball against Sapp, Brooks, Rice and Lynch? They actually tried: 19 yds in 11 carries. Please.

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TBrown may or may not be correct, but the fact is that Tampa was easy to run on.  They averaged 270 lbs on that light line.  

Rice was a pass rusher, Sapp could be moved by our line.  did you actually name the Safety as part of some great running defense?  lol.  If he is getting a lot of involvement, you don&#039;t have much run defense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dasboat says:Jan 22, 2013 3:31 PM </p>
<p>So let me get this straight. The #1 offense in the NFL, with the league MVP in Rich Gannon, was going to run the ball against Sapp, Brooks, Rice and Lynch? They actually tried: 19 yds in 11 carries. Please.</p>
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<p>TBrown may or may not be correct, but the fact is that Tampa was easy to run on.  They averaged 270 lbs on that light line.  </p>
<p>Rice was a pass rusher, Sapp could be moved by our line.  did you actually name the Safety as part of some great running defense?  lol.  If he is getting a lot of involvement, you don&#8217;t have much run defense.</p>
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		<title>By: holahey123</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[holahey123]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 21:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok I get it, Callahan changed the offensive game plan but that still doesn&#039;t explain why the Buccaneers score 48 points.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok I get it, Callahan changed the offensive game plan but that still doesn&#8217;t explain why the Buccaneers score 48 points.</p>
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		<title>By: benroethlisberger7</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[benroethlisberger7]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 21:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We win SBs. Try it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We win SBs. Try it.</p>
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		<title>By: r8rnuck</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/22/charlie-garner-agrees-with-tim-brown-sort-of/#comment-2285072</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[r8rnuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 21:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[whatever...maybe this is a way of drumming support for HoF?? i have no idea of why this would come up now? unless he was goaded into talking about upon which he would make his personal feelings public...slow news day]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whatever&#8230;maybe this is a way of drumming support for HoF?? i have no idea of why this would come up now? unless he was goaded into talking about upon which he would make his personal feelings public&#8230;slow news day</p>
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		<title>By: fthrvic</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/22/charlie-garner-agrees-with-tim-brown-sort-of/#comment-2285051</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fthrvic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 20:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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