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Why the Rams broke up with Rob Ryan

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The St. Louis Rams announced Tuesday that Rob Ryan will not be their defensive coordinator in 2013. They’ve since turned their attention to former Browns defensive boss Dick Jauron.

So what happened between the Rams and Ryan?

ESPN’s Adam Schefter provided an explanation on NFL Live Tuesday. Per Schefter, Ryan and the Rams indeed reached an agreement on January 24. Ryan began attending team meetings, but Rams officials “felt uncomfortable” about Ryan’s fondness for a 3-4 defense. The Rams have been a 4-3 team.

Per Schefter, conflict over whether St. Louis would change schemes led the sides to ultimately “cancel the marriage” with Ryan.

You often hear football coaches say there’s no big difference between 4-3 and 3-4 defensive systems.

Rob Ryan and the Rams obviously feel differently.

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  1. goldstardk says: Jan 29, 2013 4:58 PM

    “You often hear football coaches say there’s no big difference between 4-3 and 3-4 defensive systems.”

    Really???? Because I think I’ve heard many times teams don’t want to switch because they don’t have the personell to make the switch”

  2. lambeauphan says: Jan 29, 2013 4:59 PM

    good thing they discussed the defensive schemes he wanted to do before making him an offer, nice interview process Rams.

  3. marvsleezy says: Jan 29, 2013 4:59 PM

    You often hear football coaches say there’s no big difference between 4-3 and 3-4 defensive systems.
    Hmm, really? The personnel is different. The DE’s are completely different size – Outside linebackers are different size as well.

  4. 11gixsix says: Jan 29, 2013 5:01 PM

    maybe if the XFL came back he could get a job

  5. malachiofcourse says: Jan 29, 2013 5:01 PM

    didn’t his dad buddy ryan run the 4-6 offense??? lol. he didn’t learn anything from that? yes, 4-3 is harder to coach, esp the safety positions. i’m amore versatile d-coordinator than he apparently

  6. johnnyb216 says: Jan 29, 2013 5:01 PM

    Been a lot longer than the 30 seconds he thought it would take…

  7. In the Weeds says: Jan 29, 2013 5:02 PM

    Damaged goods…

  8. randallflagg52 says: Jan 29, 2013 5:03 PM

    You often hear football coaches say there’s no big difference between 4-3 and 3-4 defensive systems.


    They’re just saying that to make you go away Silva.

  9. filthymcnasty1 says: Jan 29, 2013 5:03 PM

    He’s been fired twice in the last month.

  10. 1rockyracoon says: Jan 29, 2013 5:04 PM

    So they got to know him and decided they didn’t want him on their staff. Good luck to Rob “5 Minutes” Ryan!

  11. indytom87 says: Jan 29, 2013 5:04 PM

    So it last 5 minutes.

  12. mdac1012 says: Jan 29, 2013 5:05 PM

    They didn’t know the Ryan brothers run a 3-4? That’s like hiring 2 general managers in a row with no player personnel background; no organization would be that dumb.

  13. randyschwimmer7 says: Jan 29, 2013 5:06 PM

    Classic case of a guy thinking he is too good for a job. Then stomping his feet and throwing a temper tantrum when the team won’t comepltely change everything for him. Dude, you’re just a defensive coordinator, and not a very good one at that.

  14. randallflagg52 says: Jan 29, 2013 5:06 PM

    Remember when Rob Ryan said he’d get a job in 5 minutes?

  15. ronlpitts says: Jan 29, 2013 5:09 PM

    So he was both hired, offered a job, and fired in 30 Minutes, that works for Rob Ryan….

  16. dowhatifeellike says: Jan 29, 2013 5:09 PM

    In today’s NFL you can’t be married to one or the other. Different opponents call for different alignments and you have to have the coaching and personnel to do it effectively. This is why Rob Ryan has never been more than mediocre.

  17. dr0pkickram0nes says: Jan 29, 2013 5:09 PM

    You often hear football coaches say there’s no big difference between 4-3 and 3-4 defensive systems.

    lol nobody EVER has said this, unless they were talking about Madden. Reporting at its finest.

  18. atwatercrushesokoye says: Jan 29, 2013 5:10 PM

    They also forgot to discuss who would pay for his meals…turns out it really affected the compensation level.

  19. waltrd says: Jan 29, 2013 5:10 PM

    Wise decision by the Rams.

  20. turkjones says: Jan 29, 2013 5:12 PM

    Smart move by the Rams. I wish my Browns would tailor their scheme to fit personnel instead of (again) attempting to shove the proverbial square peg in a round hole.

  21. stinkfingers says: Jan 29, 2013 5:15 PM

    It seems to me, that this is the sort of thing that should have been discussed BEFORE you give the guy a job…

  22. nwofolife says: Jan 29, 2013 5:16 PM

    Did Rob say he would be unemployed for 5 minutes again?

  23. deep64blue says: Jan 29, 2013 5:16 PM

    They didn’t figure out Ryan was a 3-4 Coach before they hired him???

  24. andrewproughcfe says: Jan 29, 2013 5:16 PM

    Rob Ryan: “I’ll have another NFL job in 5 minutes. And I’ll keep that job for about 5 minutes.”

  25. thegreatgabbert says: Jan 29, 2013 5:18 PM

    Well, at least they accepted the fact that a marriage between a 4-3 person, and a 3-4 person was not going to last, and were adult enough to part ways. It’s going to be hard explaining things to the kids, but in the long run it’s probably for the best.

  26. thejohnsmith1122 says: Jan 29, 2013 5:21 PM

    I thought the answer was: Because he opened his mouth.

  27. schmitty2 says: Jan 29, 2013 5:23 PM

    There is a HUGE difference between 3-4 and 4-3. The Rams have 2 pass rushing specialists in Chris Long and Robert Quinn plus 2 run stuffer DT’s in Langford and Brockers. Where they are lacking is at OLB. They have Lauranaitis and Dunbar and thats it. They don’t have the personnel for a 3-4 and Fisher knows it

  28. jpash42 says: Jan 29, 2013 5:29 PM

    Hahaha it’s a huge difference! Is this reporting?

  29. cooklynn17 says: Jan 29, 2013 5:34 PM

    Let me guess…

    No, better yet we already know the answer and its a long laundry list of reasons, starting with the fact that a Rob Ryan led defense is mediocre at best.

    No loss for the Rams…

  30. unbiased75 says: Jan 29, 2013 5:43 PM

    “You often hear football coaches say there’s no big difference between 4-3 and 3-4 defensive systems.”

    Evan Silva, I’ve never heard that and if you think there is no difference between 4-3 and 3-4, it’s time for you to get a football education.

  31. mogogo1 says: Jan 29, 2013 5:44 PM

    I don’t like Rob Ryan but I do sympathize with him on this one. He’s known for running a 3-4, they apparently go through the whole interview process without discussing the scheme, and then let him go after a couple days once learning he was going to run the scheme he was known for?

    The Rams look totally incompetent here. If they were locked in to a 4-3, why interview Ryan at all?

  32. 1oldpro says: Jan 29, 2013 5:44 PM

    The problem was two very hard-headed coaches butting heads, like rams. Jeff Fischer and Rob Ryan. Difference in philosophy, hard headed head coach wins, hard headed DC loses. Simple.

  33. musicman495 says: Jan 29, 2013 5:51 PM

    malachiofcourse says: Jan 29, 2013 5:01 PM

    didn’t his dad buddy ryan run the 4-6 offense??? lol. he didn’t learn anything from that?
    Uh that was “46” – named for safety Doug Plank’s number – not 4-6. Just like the Miami “53” defense was for the number of Bob Matheson, not the alignment (which was actually a 3-4).

  34. dowhatifeellike says: Jan 29, 2013 5:54 PM

    If 3-4 and 4-3 were similar then any DC worth their paycheck would be able to run both.

    But that’s just not the case.

  35. EJ says: Jan 29, 2013 6:01 PM

    The Rams were looking for versatility. Rob Ryan is not versatile. End of story.

  36. travel4football says: Jan 29, 2013 6:08 PM

    In his defense: he was not the reason the Cowboys missed the playoffs!

  37. beerbudsnbevo says: Jan 29, 2013 6:30 PM

    Ever had to spend an extended period of time in St. Louis?

    Even for a long weekend?

    Boy was that a blessing in disguise, Rob…

  38. houstontexans99 says: Jan 29, 2013 6:33 PM

    Rob Ryan would have had to blitz every down to utilize Quinn’s and Long’s skill set. They are 3-down edge rushers.

  39. jgater1981 says: Jan 29, 2013 6:38 PM

    Comment about 5 minutes.

  40. blogatron2000 says: Jan 29, 2013 6:42 PM

    Yet another case of one media guy presenting another media guy’s rumor as fact.

    Throwing the BS flag. I’m betting this thing had nothing to do with which defensive scheme the team is going to use.

    The 4-3 or 3-4 decision would have been a screening tool used by the team to decide which candidates were interviewed. Ryan’s a 3-4 guy…no secret there. The Rams knew what they were getting.

    Probably boils down to egos, plain and simple. I’m betting Ryan wanted more latitude or authority than Jeff Fisher was willing to give him.

  41. bensstinkyfingers says: Jan 29, 2013 7:04 PM

    Looks like the only way Big Rob is coaching this year is if his bro hires him to be equipment manager or ball boy.

  42. emmac13 says: Jan 29, 2013 7:09 PM

    Ray Horton in Cleveland is changing to a 3-4. They may want to bring Ryan in. He would make a good tackling DUMMY.

  43. dbones750 says: Jan 29, 2013 7:11 PM

    Sounds like the correct approach to dealing with a loudmouth, get rid of em. Hopefully they’ll both bounce their way out of the league soon…

  44. CKL says: Jan 29, 2013 7:14 PM

    dowhatifeellike says: Jan 29, 2013 5:54 PM

    If 3-4 and 4-3 were similar then any DC worth their paycheck would be able to run both.

    But that’s just not the case.
    They can. Mike Zimmer did in Dallas under Parcells. He was a 4-3 guy and the next year (04) they went to 3-4 and he coached it just fine. I think he runs pretty much 4-3 now in Cincy.
    Also a lot of teams run hybrid stuff, jump in and out of each alignment depending on situation. And even 3-4s aren’t the same. Wade Phillips runs a 1 gap penetrating 3-4 and he took over in Dallas from Parcell’s 2 gap system.

  45. cmdrsmooth says: Jan 29, 2013 7:17 PM

    I have a feeling that Reality TV will be all over the Ryan Bros Circus after Rex joins him in the unemployment line next season.

  46. CKL says: Jan 29, 2013 7:20 PM

    Also in 01 when the Pats won SB 36 and part of 02, they ran a lot of 4-3. Only when they got stud NT Ted Washington in 03 were they base 3-4. And BB has gone to mostly 4-3 now. A lot of times guys like VW still 2 gap though.

  47. thefiesty1 says: Jan 29, 2013 7:26 PM

    All mouth and no substance just like his brother. The Rams figured it out just in time. I guess he’ll be out of work a little longer than 5 minutes.

  48. Brinke says: Jan 29, 2013 7:29 PM

    What about that 5 minutes?

  49. bellevuejnf says: Jan 29, 2013 8:06 PM

    As a Seahawk’s fan I’m very disapointed Ryan won’t be coaching in the NFC West.

  50. drewshawforpresident says: Jan 29, 2013 8:20 PM

    I think Ryan was willing to coach the 4-3 for Jeff Fisher, but then suddenly the Saints DC job opened up, and look, they want to switch to a 3-4! I’d bet Ryan winds up there…

  51. n0hopeleft says: Jan 29, 2013 8:25 PM

    Chalk up another embarrassing moment for the Ryan family.

    Who doesnt wish these guys would just GO AWAY?!?!?

  52. reasonablemindsays says: Jan 29, 2013 8:33 PM

    Rob Ryan was right all along.

    It did take 5 minutes. That is, his job with the Rams lasted for 5 whole minutes.

  53. flyeredup says: Jan 29, 2013 8:42 PM

    LA Rams in 2 years. St Louis sucks as a football city

  54. chainbuzz says: Jan 29, 2013 8:52 PM

    Hey Rob, call Rex up and see what he’s got for ya. I know you’ll be hired somewhere in “five minutes”, but while you’re waiting those five minutes, maybe your bro has a spot you can fill in the meantime, just in case.

  55. enrifer says: Jan 29, 2013 9:15 PM

    They are similar the only problem with the 3-4 is that it leaves a lot of open gaps for running QB’s and running backs.

  56. onegamedoesnotaseasonmake says: Jan 29, 2013 9:59 PM

    It took a few days before the results of the background check came in…

  57. allen227 says: Jan 29, 2013 10:50 PM

    Because he’s a prick and his schemes aren’t that good.

  58. samoanjungle says: Jan 29, 2013 10:57 PM

    They probably got upset when he snatched all of the deviled eggs off of the team’s lunch buffet.

  59. kcbaby58 says: Jan 29, 2013 11:24 PM

    Your reporting is awful!!! There is a major change in personnel to go to a 3-4. Look at the chiefs they were smart sticking with what they have for a 3-4 defense!!! No coach ever said its not that different. Idiots!!!

  60. demolition510 says: Jan 29, 2013 11:47 PM

    Why even bother hooking up in the first place? You would think the 3-4 or 4-3 base would be brought up first

  61. hkdaddyo says: Jan 29, 2013 11:57 PM

    And this never came up in the interview? Really?!?!?

  62. hkdaddyo says: Jan 30, 2013 12:01 AM

    Hey Silva- maybe YOU often hear coaches say there’s no difference between a 3 – 4 and a 4 – 3, but those of us that know football understand it’s nonsense. The personnel you need to play each is vastly different.

    I suspect that when you heard all these coaches say there’s no difference, you walked away and they said “He bought it!” while laughing hysterically.

  63. blakeden says: Jan 30, 2013 9:04 AM

    One load mouth down one to go

  64. movike says: Jan 30, 2013 10:26 AM

    I’m a little dubious about this report … Adam Schefter announced the hiring last week, then when it turned out to be false he claims his report was accurate but the Rams changed their minds later. The fact is, the Rams never announced the hiring, but met with Ryan and decided that it wouldn’t be a good fit. I’ve always felt Schefter is a bit of a weasel, and I wouldn’t believe anything he says until it is confirmed by other sources. He ought to just be a man and admit that he jumped the gun on this one.

  65. firstnovaprime says: Jan 30, 2013 12:02 PM

    One Ryan down, one to go! There might be
    a job locally for coaching pee-wee football!

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