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Marshall Faulk: Patriots cheated the Rams out of a Super Bowl

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It’s been 11 years since the Rams lost to the Patriots in Super Bowl XXXVI, but former Rams running back Marshall Faulk isn’t over it, because Faulk believes the Patriots cheated to win.

Although NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell has insisted that there’s no evidence that the Patriots spied on the Rams’ walk-through practice the day before the game, Faulk still thinks they did.

I’ll never be over being cheated out of the Super Bowl,” Faulk told Tom Curran of CSNNE.com.

The NFL fined the Patriots and head coach Bill Belichick, and stripped the Patriots of a first-round draft pick, for taping opposing coaches’ signals in violation of NFL rules. But the separate allegation that the Patriots taped the Rams’ walk-through before the Super Bowl was never substantiated. NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said the league destroyed all the tapes that were confiscated in the investigation of the Patriots’ taping practices, and Faulk is skeptical that the whole truth will ever come out.

“Obviously, the commissioner gets to handle things how he wants to handle them but if they wanted us to shut up about what happened, show us the tapes. Don’t burn ‘em,” Faulk said.

Faulk says the Rams installed new plays for the game against the Patriots, and that the Patriots seemed to be so perfectly prepared for them that Faulk believes they must have used espionage.

“I understand Bill is a great coach,” Faulk said. “But No. 13 [Kurt Warner] will tell you. Mike Martz will tell you. We had some plays in the red zone that we hadn’t ran. . . . And a couple of plays on third down that we walked through also . . . And they created a check for it. It’s just little things like that. It’s either the best coaching in the world when you come up with situations that you had never seen before. Or you’d seen it and knew what to do.”

Faulk seems to believe Belichick and the Patriots got off easy for Spygate.

“Am I bitter about how the league handled them taping people? If Bountygate was that bad and Sean got suspended for a whole year? If we want to talk about some unfair assessment of how we’re assessing things? Man. If you lost a game and your brother cheated you, you’ll remember that.”

And 11 years later, Faulk still remembers a Super Bowl that he believes the Patriots stole.

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262 Responses to “Marshall Faulk: Patriots cheated the Rams out of a Super Bowl”
  1. csndrew says: Jan 30, 2013 10:06 AM

    He’s probably right. Unfortunately, nobody cares anymore and nothing can be done about it anyway.

  2. sschmiggles says: Jan 30, 2013 10:07 AM

    All they did was play press man. They hit Faulk every time he came out of the backfield. He was a total non-factor. That’s why he’s bitter. It’s easier to blame cheating than choking

  3. jacobtmorietta says: Jan 30, 2013 10:07 AM

    Reblogged this on J's sports blog. and commented:
    I love marshall Faulk, but come on, that was so long ago.

  4. fwippel says: Jan 30, 2013 10:09 AM

    I think the league knows more than it is telling about this, and doesn’t want the embarrassment of having it exposed, and then having to deal with all the calls that would come to strip the Patriots of that Super Bowl title.

    If what Warner says is true, then the Patriots obviously had a spy in place to tape the Rams practices.

    Funny thing about the Pats though. They haven’t won a Super Bowl since being exposed for this, and they most likely won’t win another in the Brady/Belichick era.

  5. essentialsausage says: Jan 30, 2013 10:09 AM

    I’d be bitter too. They always say growing up that “cheaters never win”, but the Patriots got away with it just fine.

  6. mrreality1 says: Jan 30, 2013 10:09 AM

    My best Pats fan imitation: Everybody was doing it!

  7. riggo08 says: Jan 30, 2013 10:10 AM

    I think Faulk is right.

  8. patriotinvasion says: Jan 30, 2013 10:10 AM

    First of all, that Rams offense was only in the red zone ONCE the entire game and scored a TD when they were there.

    That walkthrough, which was NOT taped by the Patriots was reportedly in front of a ton of people who weren’t all associated with the Rams, so if they were running top secret plays they probably shouldn’t have been.

    As far as signals go, the Patriots offense scored just 13 points that day with 6 of them coming off of turnovers. And another 7 came from the Ty Law pick 6. So, Faulk should have played better that day and maybe he would have won.

  9. wkheathjr says: Jan 30, 2013 10:11 AM

    Amen!! BB should have been suspended for a year or two and the Patriots should be stripped of all three championship, period!

  10. raiderlyfe510 says: Jan 30, 2013 10:11 AM

    Patriots should have never made it out of the divisional round. Walt Coleman stole that game from the Raiders

  11. kw27p says: Jan 30, 2013 10:11 AM

    Hahaha what a loser. Be a man and take your loss you sour puss

  12. Max says: Jan 30, 2013 10:13 AM

    Agreed. Pats are a good team, with good coach and good QB. But in the NFL coming up with key stops on 3rd down makes a lot of difference. I believe that “spygate” helped them achieved this and was possibly the difference maker in their playoff runs.

  13. ravensfan19 says: Jan 30, 2013 10:13 AM

    Well Said Marshall Faulk. Its a Disgrace how the Patriots got away lightly with Cheating. They haven’t Won a Super Bowl since Spygate.

  14. nwofolife says: Jan 30, 2013 10:13 AM

    Not a Patriot fan but I love hearing Faulk whine like a baby. Warner and Bruce were likable, Faulk and Holt not so much.

  15. jumpov says: Jan 30, 2013 10:13 AM

    I’ve said this before: if you can win three out of four super bowls by simply taping some pre-game warm ups, then shame on my team for never trying this!

  16. kheebner says: Jan 30, 2013 10:13 AM

    Belichick did get off easy when you compare it to what Sean Payton got. Considering Belichick actually cheated and Payton just “motivated”, Belichick’s penalty should have been comparable. But no, the NFL wouldn’t dare touch its premier coach

  17. 66rick says: Jan 30, 2013 10:13 AM

    Marshall is right. Why would they “burn” the tapes? Come on man, this always was fishy. If the Pats did nothing wrong with the walkthrough, then show the dang tape and prove that they didn’t film the Rams.

  18. bhop49 says: Jan 30, 2013 10:14 AM

    He’s got the right to feel that way. Others have the right to agree or disagree.
    But thanks to the league only a few will ever know the truth, the rest of us on either side of the debate will be just grasping at straws.

  19. rayguyreturns says: Jan 30, 2013 10:14 AM

    Don’t worry Marshall there are a lot of (*) after the Pats Super Bowl “wins”.

  20. nfloracle says: Jan 30, 2013 10:15 AM

    Let it go, Marshall. Live in the present, not in the past. Say a prayer, kneel down for a Tebow, and then chill with a cold beer.

  21. patriotinvasion says: Jan 30, 2013 10:15 AM

    For all of the people that say “they haven’t won since spygate”, you do realize that there are 51 other players on the Patriots since spygate right?

    If the Pats had Brushci, Vrabel, McGinest, Law, Harrison, and Seymour on the team in perpetuity and and still haven’t won, you may have a point, but you just can’t compare teams 9 years a part and say that they won then and can’t win now simply because the QB and coach are the same.

    But, I’m sure you all will do it anyway. Sour grapes.

  22. bigdinla says: Jan 30, 2013 10:16 AM

    I live how the NFL likes to point at the fined 1 rst round pick. They only did it because the pats had a second higher 1rst rounder.

  23. joetoronto says: Jan 30, 2013 10:16 AM

    Does anybody remember how the game winning FG of that game took something like 13 seconds?

    Whatever was left on the clock, around 13 seconds, just completely drained.

  24. guypatsfan says: Jan 30, 2013 10:17 AM

    Sour grapes from Faulk and Patriots haters. All you Rams had to do was stop Brady in that final drive and then kick a winning field goal of your own. Face it, you lost fair and square.

  25. flapjackdaddy says: Jan 30, 2013 10:17 AM

    …and the Panthers…

  26. jjpt4540 says: Jan 30, 2013 10:18 AM

    Just because you now whats going to happen doesn’t mean you can always stop it.No one needed game tape to know Minnesota only had Peterson and he still ran for 2000+. Everyone knew Bird was taking the last shot he told the opponents he was and you still couldn’t stop him from hitting it.

  27. Chargers have no rings says: Jan 30, 2013 10:18 AM

    Pats shouldnt have been there in the first place. The Raiders got hosed in the snow.

  28. dealer009 says: Jan 30, 2013 10:18 AM

    Don’t forget the tuck rule game either.

  29. bigpap says: Jan 30, 2013 10:18 AM

    Another Super Bowl is upon us…. and drop the stylus on the marshall faulk “we wuz cheated” broken record.

    Get tired of hearning the same old whine yiyo. The Partiots success in the three super bowls should be directly attributed to a beastly defense. The last of same is why they have been 0-2 since 2004 in Super Bowl play.

  30. mjdkid100 says: Jan 30, 2013 10:19 AM

    fwippel says: Jan 30, 2013 10:09 AM

    I think the league knows more than it is telling about this, and doesn’t want the embarrassment of having it exposed, and then having to deal with all the calls that would come to strip the Patriots of that Super Bowl title.

    If what Warner says is true, then the Patriots obviously had a spy in place to tape the Rams practices.

    Funny thing about the Pats though. They haven’t won a Super Bowl since being exposed for this, and they most likely won’t win another in the Brady/Belichick era.

    —————–

    This is the worst argument of all from the bitter whiners.

    They havent won since…only have a better overall record and been to 4 AFC Championships and 2 Super Bowls.

    They most likely wont win another because its REALLY HARD to win a Super Bowl and the probability is always stacked against you. Guess what it’s likely Eli, Peyton, Brees, Rodgers, etc wont win another one…

  31. dtr3e says: Jan 30, 2013 10:19 AM

    Faulk is right, and Belicheat hasn’t won sh** since being caught cheating. People give him credit for being this great coach when the proof is in the pudding that he can’t win unless he is cheating. Just ask the Browns. How many Super Bowls did he bring to Cleveland?

  32. stillers7 says: Jan 30, 2013 10:20 AM

    Get the book “Spygate the Untold Story” or google “Ernie Adams Spygate”. Very interesting.

  33. andrewfbrowne says: Jan 30, 2013 10:20 AM

    I would be bitter for the rest of my life also. The Pats cheated and got caught. I love that the Pats LB’s were all heady smart veteran players who were never out of position and then after Spygate they were all out of the league.

  34. greenmtnboy31 says: Jan 30, 2013 10:20 AM

    Get over it Marshall and quit your whining. The Pats thumped you and made you a complete non factor in the game and that’s what you’re really whining about. You have no evidence to back up what you’re whining about, only speculation and a convenient way for you to explain away your ineffectiveness. You got beat, so just man up about it and shut up already. I’ve lost any amount of respect I had for this overrated midget.

  35. gronkspike802 says: Jan 30, 2013 10:20 AM

    So because the Patriots where taping a game from the wrong location, that means that they taped a teams pre-game walkthrough? Don’t get me wrong, what the Patriots did was wrong. It was cheating. But there is a huge difference between taping a game from the wrong location and flat out spying on a teams walkthrough. How come there is no evidence or witnesses of this happening? I have only heard rumors from “anonymous sources”.

  36. flash1283 says: Jan 30, 2013 10:20 AM

    So when the Patriots DB’s drilled the Rams WR causing them to fumble and drop passes that was because of cheating?

  37. patriotsdefense says: Jan 30, 2013 10:20 AM

    I think Marshall is mixing the spygate issue with the unfounded and ultimately disproved walk-thru allegation that had nothing to do with spygate.

    The truth is the rams almost never got into the redzone that day so i don’t know what he’s talking about. Also, the sourgrapes are beyond evident. It’s just a shame a person who claims to be reasonable has shutout reason and logic and is making himself into the fool of the hour…

  38. madtolive5 says: Jan 30, 2013 10:21 AM

    Maybe your players were not as”genius” as Mike Martz thought….considering he is still a thriving NFL coach

  39. bullcharger says: Jan 30, 2013 10:21 AM

    Faulk is a moron. He’s talking about taping the walk through. That tape never existed. It was reported by some dufus the week of the superbowl that totally screwed the Patriots chances of winning the game and then it was found to be a false claim. The worst thing is it was a member of the Boston media.

    They were punished for taping signals. The walk through stuff never happened.

  40. damnsureis says: Jan 30, 2013 10:21 AM

    The Patriots entire game plan was based on hitting them when they touched the ball and hitting them when they didn’t touch the ball. They out muscled them plain and simple. The Rams had one trip to the red zone. They scored a touchdown. Obviously what they did worked.

    If he wants to blame anyone for losing, blame Lovie Smith for calling a prevent defense that let Brady and company march down the field at the end of the game.

  41. musicman495 says: Jan 30, 2013 10:21 AM

    Faulk is especially right about the misapplied punishment dished out to the Saints vs the punishment dished out to the Patriots. Sean Payton got a year suspension for things discussed in a locker room before games, and lied about afterwards, and not actually done on the field. The Patriots did things that went to the very integrity of the NFL’s biggest game, and got a slap on the wrist.

  42. ravensdominate says: Jan 30, 2013 10:22 AM

    The Patriots, their fans and their owner, the whole organization is a joke. CHEATERS.

  43. wte1 says: Jan 30, 2013 10:22 AM

    What a crybaby loser Marshall Faulk is.

    The Rams lost b/c the Patriots punched them in the mouth and those sissies couldn’t handle it!

  44. dboldave says: Jan 30, 2013 10:22 AM

    I heard what the Patriots would do was see the formation on the field, then radio up to someone in a booth who had the taped practice. That person would then go to that formation on the tape, watch it and then radio back down to the coach on the field to tell them what was happening. The coach would then make the call to the players who would then know what was going on. The fact that they were able to do this in under 30 seconds was amazing but that is just how good the Patriots are.

  45. ravensdominate says: Jan 30, 2013 10:23 AM

    Enjoy the probowl pats fans? Your team is a joke and a bunch of cheaters.

  46. mizzouram says: Jan 30, 2013 10:24 AM

    Spygate and the Rams WRs being mugged all day game make this the most embarrassing SuperBowl ever for the NFL. It’s a complete black-eye for the league.

    Unfortunately, nothing can be done about it. All I have is the satisfaction of knowing that, at least for coherent football fans, a black cloud looms over every one of their SuperBowl titles.

    As it should.

  47. deep64blue says: Jan 30, 2013 10:24 AM

    Whatever the truth of the walk-through tapes is he is absolutely correct to contrast the Bountgate and Spygate punishments, the Pats got off incrediblt lightly for that.

  48. cubancigar10 says: Jan 30, 2013 10:26 AM

    Wah! Wah! Wah! We will wipe your tears as we change your diaper. I hate belicheat as much as the next person BUT we don”t need to hear your personal hangups. Stick to responsible journalism pertaining to football. Jeesh, have you considered therapy? It could hinder your psychological development.

  49. rangers84 says: Jan 30, 2013 10:26 AM

    Of course they cheated and of course they go off lightly. What have they won since? They taped the rams RZ walkthroughs.

    And let’s no forget, this was an offense that the NFL had never seen before (and won’t be replicated) and yet somehow the pats D is calling out checks for it?

    Would love to see how officials these days would have called that game. Rams would have had at least 15 PI calls.

    Absolutely mugged Holt, Bruce, Az Hakim, Proehl and of course Faulk.

    Martz didn’t help with his ego, but there is just no doubt that there were tapes of the Rams walkthrough at that SB

    Cheats.

  50. questforthesixthnotthelast2013 says: Jan 30, 2013 10:26 AM

    He should go caoch reggie or lamicheal then, get a ring another way!!

  51. elgranderojo79 says: Jan 30, 2013 10:26 AM

    St. Louis isn’t the only team to get cheated out of a Superbowl. I’m pretty sure we can all agree the Steelers stole one back in 2006.

  52. lflib69 says: Jan 30, 2013 10:26 AM

    Guess everyone should include any team Jimmy Johnson coached as part of this talk…and all the other Coaches that have openly admitted to doing the same thing.

  53. irishphilly87 says: Jan 30, 2013 10:26 AM

    Boston should just be called Cheatville. Patriots won 3 Superbowls before Spygate and 0 since. The Red Sox won 2 World Series while Manny Ramirez and Big Poppi were caught with PED’s and 0 World Series since, and don’t even make the playoffs. 5 championships from cheating none since. Coincidence?

  54. bigdon76 says: Jan 30, 2013 10:27 AM

    To say bountygate was worse than spygate.lol.so lets see pay players to play harder or tape plays that are going to help u win a superbowl.as a 49ers fan I have a bigger problem w spygate and how it was handled.I had no problem with gregg williams speach before nfc championship game.motivation.one last thing josh mcdaniels who is back on NE staff also got caught taping the 49ers in london a few years back.a fine and slap on wrist.godell is a joke.

  55. blogatron2000 says: Jan 30, 2013 10:27 AM

    In the absence of evidence to the contrary, which the league ensured does not exist, I believe him.

    I remember thinking at the time that he only reason for the league to destroy evidence was to keep the documented facts from ever coming to light. They had no reason to do that unless they had something to hide.

    If the tapes proved the Pats innocence, the league had everything to gain from releasing them to the media rather than destroying them.

    When it comes to orchestrating a coverup, politicians could learn a thing or 2 from the Commish.

  56. patriotsdefense says: Jan 30, 2013 10:29 AM

    I didn’t know Marshall Faulk was auditioning for FoxNews, you know with all the wrong misinformation and what not.

  57. rangers84 says: Jan 30, 2013 10:29 AM

    Cheats and they’ve won nothing since.

  58. edgerules says: Jan 30, 2013 10:29 AM

    Marshall Faulk’s whining is a perfect example of how America’s claim to be a “Christian” country is a bunch of BS. It states in the Bible, Matthew 6:13-15

    New Revised Standard Version, Anglicised (NRSVA)

    13 And do not bring us to the time of trial,[a]
    but rescue us from the evil one.[b]

    14 For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you; 15 but if you do not forgive others, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

    That being said, here is Faulk whining and crying about SPYGATE. Yet, on the NFL Network, he is praising Ray Lewis , despite his indiscretions.

    I see the same thing with fans. Slamming the Pats due to spygate, but saying Ray Lewis’ past is the past.

    My point is that people have double standards as far as who they will forgive.

  59. beastmodeeeee says: Jan 30, 2013 10:30 AM

    Max says: Jan 30, 2013 10:13 AM

    Agreed. Pats are a good team, with good coach and good QB. But in the NFL coming up with key stops on 3rd down makes a lot of difference. I believe that “spygate” helped them achieved this and was possibly the difference maker in their playoff runs.

    ______________________________________

    Max, you know they were stealing the signals from the DEFENSE. Not the offense. So it did not help them at all on defense.

    At least get the facts right before you keep looking like an idiot.

  60. rcosborne59 says: Jan 30, 2013 10:31 AM

    Yes I am a Patriots fan and I don’t really care what others think. They beat the Rams because the Rams did what they did offesnively all year and not due to any cheating. We jammed their receivers and beat the crap out of them. Of course Marshall Faulk is bitter. I’m sure he still feels the pain from the physical beating he took that day. If you don’t think any team does what it can get away with(and yes much of it is outside the rules) then you are stupid. Do you think the Ravens players with major injuries healed in half the time due to god’s internvention. No they used PED’s but so do other teams. GET OVER IT!!!!

  61. mrreality1 says: Jan 30, 2013 10:32 AM

    Knowing what is coming is HUGE, do not downplay it. In a much less infamous game years later (2006 I believe) the 6-10 Dolphins beat the Patriots (who were in the AFC championship gamethat season) 21-0 in Miami. It came out afterwards that Zach Thomas knew the Patriots audibles by listening to audio of Tom Brady and was checking Miami into the perfect defense. Classic case of a much inferior team crushing the 2nd best team in the conference becuase they knew what was coming on defense. this was with Joey freakin Harrington at QB.

  62. apm says: Jan 30, 2013 10:32 AM

    In other breaking news, Jerry Kramer should have been called for a false start on the Ice Bowl sneak play.

  63. dynaco says: Jan 30, 2013 10:32 AM

    You burn the tapes cause you don’t want anyone to see them, end of story!
    The NFL has vaults full of tape footage, but yet that tape had to be destroyed. Com’ on man?

  64. adderalljack says: Jan 30, 2013 10:34 AM

    Soooo Martz had nothing to do with the loss? Check the game tape!

  65. mjdkid100 says: Jan 30, 2013 10:34 AM

    They showed the tapes!!!

    Does any of the whiners/haters/uninformed remember this?

    Why does no one respond to this? We saw multiple tapes.

    One was leaked, then Goddell showed a bunch more. There was no use for them anymore.

  66. amoses74 says: Jan 30, 2013 10:34 AM

    Patriots haters are babies! Jealousy is a real bitch aint it? most of you fans of loser teams just cant handle the fact the Patriots have been in good or great for 12 years now. All the crying is pathetic….. tuck rule, spygate….. cry cry cry! Id be embarrassed if i were a cry baby. WIN THE GAME loser!

  67. mrconnors says: Jan 30, 2013 10:34 AM

    Let’s see how many times it takes for my non-offensive comment to get through. People are allowed to troll but I can’t state a fact.

    The walkthrough tape never existed. The reporter who wrote that story, John Tomase, apologized for being wrong.

  68. patriotinvasion says: Jan 30, 2013 10:35 AM

    Why does everyone forget Goodell’s press conference where he PLAYED THE TAPES for the world to see?

    Coaches flexing their hands, scoreboard, cheerleaders, crowd shots. It was all there running on a loop. I’m not sure what people are really expecting to see on whatever else they “burned.” Aliens? Who killed JFK? It’s coaches hand signals that were in plain sight to every single person in the stadium. Get over it already.

  69. randy8123 says: Jan 30, 2013 10:36 AM

    FYI Jimmy Johnson and Chuck Knoll who have a combined 6 SB rings as head coaches went on record that Spygate was completely blown out of proportion. Didn’t do anything out of the ordinary, didn’t tape a SB warm up, more wins than any other team since the scandal, playoffs every year two SB appearances. Ignorant fans are one thing, but ignorant HOFers are the worst.

  70. alphaq2 says: Jan 30, 2013 10:37 AM

    No one other than Patriots fans will look at the wins they piled up before they were caught as being won “fair and square”. That is what happens when you are caught cheating red handed. Just the way it is (*).

  71. patriotinvasion says: Jan 30, 2013 10:37 AM

    For all of the Giants fans that say anything about spygate. You do realize Belichick was you defensive coordinator for 2 Super Bowls in the 80’s and I’m pretty sure video cameras existed then as well. Don’t throw stones…

  72. tim8450 says: Jan 30, 2013 10:38 AM

    Same story different day:

    “Either they are just plain better than us, or they must have cheated ”

    “so they must have cheated” say all poor losers ever.

    The level of mindful suspension of reality continues to sadden me. I reffed in a football league and there is always someone on the losing team who lacks any accountability and blames cheating/officiating/someone-not-themselves for the loss. Every team, every game, like clockwork. Somehow, these guys seem to follow patriots posts like flies on a ripe banana.

    It is getting so old. Your team didn’t lose because they were jobbed, they just lost.

    I don’t see anyone complaining about steeler steroid-curtains, 49er and broncos salary cap shenanigans. But because the patriots destroy teams so badly that coaches are fired, they “must” be doing something wrong. But they aren’t, so just get over it.

  73. ravensdominate says: Jan 30, 2013 10:39 AM

    Cheaters. PFR sucks

  74. 11thstreetmafia says: Jan 30, 2013 10:39 AM

    Cheat to win! I wish my teams would win. They never take championships away…..So, cheat.

  75. ampats says: Jan 30, 2013 10:40 AM

    When are you whiners going to learn what really happened. Before 2006,there was no rule enforced as to where teams can tape from. People act like the Patriots had hubble telescope set up from space.

    If Marshall wants to claim a walkthrough was taped,prove it because of a disgruntled employee who made false accusations.

    Keep hating on Patriots,because they will be the favorite once again in the AFC next season.

    I think its kind of funny how many people are OK with Ray Lewis taking an illegal substance but Rodney Harrison is the scurge who has admitted to its use.

  76. sinestrojoe says: Jan 30, 2013 10:41 AM

    The Patriots and their dynasty…Pats fans love to point out that if not for the Giants getting lucky twice they would have five titles, but keep in mind the Patriots won their three Super Bowls by 3 points each…so I got your luck right here!

  77. kate773 says: Jan 30, 2013 10:41 AM

    Snore. Everyone knows Faulk is bitter. And all the “cheater” comments don’t magically add asterisks or diminish the joy for Pats fans. So whine away. All these Spygate articles do is generate hits and provide Patriots haters with something to do for 2 minutes while they furiously type their angry comments.

  78. bullcharger says: Jan 30, 2013 10:41 AM

    andrewfbrowne says:Jan 30, 2013 10:20 AM

    I would be bitter for the rest of my life also. The Pats cheated and got caught. I love that the Pats LB’s were all heady smart veteran players who were never out of position and then after Spygate they were all out of the league.

    ————-

    No they weren’t. McGinest went to CLE in 2006. Bruschi didn’t retire until 2009 and Vrabel went to KC in 2009 and played there (really well) for a few years. The rest of the Patriots guys were fill ins, Seau, Colvin, Thomas, who all had good years elsewhere. The former Patriots LBs have also all been successfull post NFL with Vrabel coaching at Ohio State and Bruschi and McGinest finding success as broadcasters. You are completely wrong. Couldn’t be more wrong.

  79. sbelig says: Jan 30, 2013 10:43 AM

    They haven’t won anything since Spygate?

    To quote the estimable Joe Flacco that’s retarded. Spygate broke at the beginning of the 2007 season. Since then the Pats have won 76 out of 90 regular season games, 3 Divisional playoff games, 2 conference playoff games and gone to the Superbowl twice.

    Any team would give their right arm for that kind of record. Any team would give their left arm to make it to the Superbowl twice in 6 years just for the attempt to win a Superbowl.

    Faulk and all the haters can suck eggs.

  80. 17dayz says: Jan 30, 2013 10:44 AM

    Enough Marshall! NE punished you all game long and threw of the GSOT’s timing. refs let that go all game long, can’t blame pats for playing that way. Move on!

    Also, the camera/taping thing is so overblown – ALL TEAMS RECORD TO THIS DAY. All Belichick is guilty of is placing camera in wrong spot of stadium(field level vs. in stands) and ignoring memos. Goodells destroying of “evidence” obviously adds to the mystery of what was actually on them. Why are Pats are STILL a top team til this day?

    if the Rams were the “dynasty in waiting” they claim to be why did they fall off so suddenly?

    Willie Mac, please clock this clown on NFLN set!

  81. godofwine330 says: Jan 30, 2013 10:44 AM

    I don’t care how long ago it was, no one likes getting cheated out of a win because it is a win you cannot get back. PEDs is one thing, you still have to hit the ball, catch the ball or what have you. But to have mirrors set up behind your opponent at a card came is flat out cheating, and it is a damned shame they got away with it. I wanted the Rams to win. I wanted Aeneas Williams to get a ring after sufering through those bad Cardinal teams. I liked Faulk as a player, and the team as a whole (since my Browns stunk). I’d be ticked off still, too.

  82. matt530 says: Jan 30, 2013 10:44 AM

    You commonly hear that “the Patriots haven’t won anything since Spygate”.

    Well, technically they’ve won more. From 2001-2006 (The pre-Spygate Brady era) the Patriots won 72.9% of their games. They won three SuperBowls and appeared in 4 AFC Championships. From 2007-present (post-spygate Brady era) the Patriots won 79.1% of their games, appearing in 3 AFC Championships and winning two of them.

  83. greenmtnboy31 says: Jan 30, 2013 10:44 AM

    musicman495 says:
    Jan 30, 2013 10:21 AM
    The Patriots did things that went to the very integrity of the NFL’s biggest game, and got a slap on the wrist.

    *******************************************
    Where is the evidence of the things the Patriots did “that went to the very integrity” of the game?
    I’m waiting, and NOThing. Just as I suspected, a whining Ramz fan who can keep Marshall company. Time to man up and accept the FACT that the Pats made you look like the chumps you are. If you can’t handle getting beat, stay home with Marshall and knit scarves.

  84. azarkhan says: Jan 30, 2013 10:45 AM

    The Patriots cheated so well in that Super Bowl that the Rams outgained the Patriots by 427–267 in total yards and the Patriots only won the game on a 48 yard field goal in the last seconds.

    It takes real genius to cheat like that. LOL

  85. vtopa says: Jan 30, 2013 10:45 AM

    Every year the Superbowl run-up has these kinds of stories: Old players looking to recapture some of the attention and glory of the old days (see e.g., Tim Brown). I guess its hard to realize that you picked a career that lasts 4-8 years and where you retire at the age of 30. But please, do us all a favor an get over yourself. Whiny millionaires.

  86. patriotinvasion says: Jan 30, 2013 10:45 AM

    Ravens fans – you cheated to get to this Super Bowl! AntlerGate is the only reason Ray Lewis was able to get healthy in the same season he tore his triceps. Something that no player has really been able to do, let alone a player who is 37 years old.

    No matter what happens Sunday night, this run has already been tainted by yesterday’s news.

  87. packhawk04 says: Jan 30, 2013 10:46 AM

    The patriots cant win a super bowl without cheating. Everyone knows this. Old news.

  88. thejuddstir says: Jan 30, 2013 10:47 AM

    The SB between the Pats and Rams and the NFC Championship game between the saints* and the Vikings will forever be remembered for Spygate and Bountygate. Just like in politics, when a particular outcome is desired, the end justifies the means, so they say. I’ve watched the replays of those two games “countless” times and there isn’t any doubt. The league destroyed the tapes because what could they do, they couldn’t or wouldn’t take the SB victory away and just give it to the Rams by forfeit, so it was easier to say the tapes were destroyed and you will just have to take our word for it that there was no cheating. Same as NFC championship game. I have no doubt that many teams had a bounty system in place but the saints* thumbed their nose at the NFL and thus the investigation. It is quite clear that the saints* had a bounty on Favre in that game and that for whatever reason, head referee Peter Morelli looked the other way. We all see how quickly officials throw a flag if a QB is even touched by a defensive player but yet in that game there were countless “muggings” and Morelli chose to look the other way. No coincidence that it was the year after “katrina”. Keep in mind, Tom Benson was doing everything he could to move the saints* but the city of N.O. and the NFL paid him well to keep them there in the aftermath of katrina and perhaps the ultimate bribe/reward was assurance of SB. I am not a conspriacist but sometimes you just can’t ignore the obvious.

  89. jdmcg57 says: Jan 30, 2013 10:48 AM

    Maybe if Faulk could have avoided Willie McGinest during the game he may have done something in it. He could not avoid McGinest and therefore, was not able to perform. He should really get over this. Because he believes that the Patriot’s cheated, this offsets his own poor performance – good deal Marshall

  90. ar1888 says: Jan 30, 2013 10:49 AM

    I hate Marshall Faulk, but he is correct. Why would the Patsies go through all of the trouble if they werent going to gain an advantage. They cheated, should always have a * in the Super Bowl record books next to it.

  91. steelbreeze676 says: Jan 30, 2013 10:49 AM

    OK, the Patriots spied on their walk through… that’s why you lost the Super Bowl?

    Even assuming that is true, which there is zero evidence of, it’s about the most ridiculous assertion ever to anyone who’s actually played football. And pathetic.

  92. SilentMajority says: Jan 30, 2013 10:49 AM

    Yeah, and the ’85 Bears cheated the Patriots out of a Super Bowl win due to an unfair amount of awesomeness. Why are all these, “They cheated” stories coming out now, instead of decades ago when they actually lost? It makes all these players look petty…

  93. gochargersgo says: Jan 30, 2013 10:49 AM

    I remember the chargers were the first team to face the patriots after news of the scandal broke. I also remember thinking to myself, “Ha. Lets see if those cheaters can hang with us now that they arent videotaping!” The chargers got dismantled, and immediately I began to wonder how big of a deal it really was.

    The point is that all of the people on here saying “”Mehh they havent won a superbowl since they stopped videotaping!!!” are blissfully ignorant. Theyve been to 3 AFC championships, 2 superbowls, and had a perfect regular season since then. What more evidence do you guys need? Are a lack of illegal taping why Tyree was able to make the most abusrd catch in the history of the NFL?

    Give me a break. You all sound so bitter and petty when you talk about this scandal. Faulk included.

  94. iggles07 says: Jan 30, 2013 10:50 AM

    I couldn’t agree more Marshall.

    The league turned Bountygate into the Spanish Inquisition – Yet Spygate was brushed under the rug as quickly as they possibly could. The speed with which they brushed this under the rug makes it all the more questionable. The fact that they never released the evidence…whereas with Bountygate they couldn’t tell us enough.

    But admittedly, I understand the league’s position. If it had gotten out that Belichek had been taping practices and signals for years, well the outcomes of individual games, playoff games and multiple superbowls would be called into question. It could have completely tainted the sport itself.

    But just as there is an asterisk next to the steroid era in baseball, there should be an asterisk next to the Pats SuperBowls. If they had released the evidence and proven otherwise, then it would be a different story. Belichek is a great coach, and Tom Brady a great QB. It’s a shame the organization resorted to cheating. Its like Nixon…he had to break into Watergate to spy on his opposition, yet he won the election handily. The Pats probably could have won most of the games regardless of cheating. They made the choice, they deserve the asterisk.

  95. crubenst says: Jan 30, 2013 10:51 AM

    absolutely true. They also cheated the Eagles out of the super bowl. If you watch the game tape you’ll see that after reviewing the film of the Eagles defensive calls at halftime, every single blitz by the eagles in the second half was met by a perfectly called screen pass. Its obvious they had the Eagles defensive calls by then and cheated.

  96. jjmurphy1127d says: Jan 30, 2013 10:52 AM

    Sour grapes pure and simple… Here are some facts pure and simple:

    1) Pats have had best overall record in league over last 12 years.

    2) They had the best record in the 6 years before Spy Gate and they have had best record in 6 years since.

    3) They went to Super Bowl 3 times in those first 6 years and won all 3 by 3 points. They went to AFC championship game 4 times in those 6 seasons and won 3 times.

    4) They have gone to Super Bowl twice in last 6 seasons, losing by 3 and 4 points in the last minute. Both were defined by great catches by Giants (Tyree and Manningham). They have gone to AFC title game 3 times in last 6 seasons and won twice.

    5) They went 11-5 with MATT CASSELL at QB in 2008 after losing Brady in 1st quarter of the first game. Enough said here.

    6) What’s remarkable about PAtriots is that they have continued to win while tunring over the team many times. They are currently one of 5 youngest teams in the league and only 5 players from this season’s team were on 2007 18-1 team (Brady, Welker, Mankins, Wilfork, and Gostowsski).

    7) The simple fact is that they’re good just like the Giants, Steelers, and other have been for most of this century to date.

    8) If we are going to talk about “cheating” let’s talk about other “cheating scandals” too. Steelers in 1970’s with over the top steroids use and extra/secret off-season contact practices above what was allowed then, the Broncos and 49ers circumventing the salary cap in the 1990’s, 2003 Carolina’s rapan steroid/PED usage, Bountygate, and of course miraculous recoveries of various Ravens this past season – see Sizzle and Ray – likely “cheating” Brady or Manning out of another Super Bowl appearance).

  97. nananatman says: Jan 30, 2013 10:53 AM

    And I don’t believe the Pats won a Super Bowl after spygate so…

  98. fantasyfootballmaven0 says: Jan 30, 2013 10:54 AM

    Non-story. Team walk throughs hardly will give enough information to beat you. I think spygate was blown out of proportion by the media.

    It’s all speculation. There’s no cover up. It’s like recruiting in college football, every team gives recruits extras until they get caught. It’s how they gain an edge.

    Let go Marshall. You got shut down by the Pats.

  99. patriotsdefense says: Jan 30, 2013 10:55 AM

    And if the Rams thought Kurt Warner was the best QB ever, why did they BENCH and CUT him less than 2 seasons later in favor of Marc Bulger? And Mike Martz! The guy can’t even hold down a coordinators job, let alone another headcoaching position. And Marshall Faulk got old and slow and that’s why they started spitting carried between he and Trung Canidate and eventually Steven Jackson.

    The truth is those Rams were soft and once they got “solved” that night they were never the same. Teams didn’t have to stop the “greatest show on turf”. All you had to do was hit them in the mouth and the Rams would beat themselves.

  100. stangz11 says: Jan 30, 2013 11:01 AM

    The story broke in a Boston Herald report, which was later contracted because it turned out there was no evidence to suggest the Patriots taped the Rams walk through. It was also said that equipment was setup at the walk through, but nothing was actually taped. While they definitely aren’t innocent through all this, there is absolutely no evidence to support the claim it happened in the Super Bowl

  101. jeremyb112 says: Jan 30, 2013 11:02 AM

    Patriot fans are nothing but spoiled little brats. Can’t wait till Brady and Belichick are gone and your team crumbles.

  102. tim8450 says: Jan 30, 2013 11:02 AM

    @dtr3e:

    Let’s see, the last time the Bbrowns won a playoff game? Yeh, that was with head coach Bill Belicheck.

    He took a team that won only 3 games to the playoffs within three years, led the league in defense and won their only playoff game switching from home town hero QB Kosar to Testeverde and picking of Drew Bledsoe three times. If they hadn’t packed up and moved to Baltimore, he might have won them a superbowl.

    No team has a better record or gone to or won more superbowls than the Pats since he took over, and your point is? Gmen? They can’t even make the playoffs after winning a superbowl. At least the pats are relevant.

  103. kowallazy says: Jan 30, 2013 11:02 AM

    Oh I’m sorry, I thought the NFL was a sport for men, not prissy little princesses. What is with all these people? It was a decade ago. Get over it and stop crying.

  104. matthewcarlson1 says: Jan 30, 2013 11:03 AM

    Why would they burn the tapes? That is unforgivable and obviously a cover-up for something.

  105. patriotsdefense says: Jan 30, 2013 11:03 AM

    “thejuddstir says: Jan 30, 2013 10:47 AM

    The SB between the Pats and Rams and the NFC Championship game between the saints* and the Vikings will forever be remembered for Spygate and Bountygate….”

    You really have no idea what you are talking about. Spygate had nothing to do with Super Bowl 36. You have no grasp at all of any facts and your inept ramblings are now forever here so everyone can see just how LITTLE you know or understand.

    Yes, the Patriots were guilty of videotaping opposing coaching signals from outside the designated area in 2007. That was the violation. NOTHING to do with Super Bowl 36. The ONLY tape the league had was of the 2007 week 1 game of Jets v Pats.

  106. cowboyfan66 says: Jan 30, 2013 11:03 AM

    Born and raised in St. Louis, been a Dallas fan since ’66.
    This is one more reason why I hate the Rams and their fans.

  107. jamiefolk says: Jan 30, 2013 11:05 AM

    There is no way this will ever be proven either way. They lost for the same reason the Pats lost in 07 and last year. When you get hit in the mouth and you are a passing team, it changes you. They got pounded and Faulk and Warner and the biggest babies ever. The Pats lost on a fluke catch by a special teamer and they don’t bitch nearly as much as these two 11 years later.

  108. tim8450 says: Jan 30, 2013 11:05 AM

    and the reason the RAMS didn’t win the superbowl the following year? … must have been someone else’s cheating, huh?

  109. Cereal says: Jan 30, 2013 11:08 AM

    Sure its cheating & I think the footage certainly helped them. Anyone who has played at least high school ball knows that it would/should help a team. They saw the Rams formations & plays before the game….bottom line

  110. bostonfrank says: Jan 30, 2013 11:10 AM

    What an effin whiner. The Rams couldn’t have possibly lost the game because they were outplayed. Keep lying to your self Marshall……

  111. xmatt0926x says: Jan 30, 2013 11:12 AM

    I don’t know how much they were helped by what they did, but I do remember some Eagles players also saying that the Patriots seemed to know exactly what was coming. I will say this. Maybe patriots haters need to tone it down some and give credit where it is due to a franchise that has had a great run, but Patriots fans also need to stop pretending that what the Patriots did was harmless. I think we all can agree that Bill Bellichick is a very smart guy. If he felt that the taping didn’t really help would he have gone to such efforts to do it if wasn’t to his teams advantage? I don’t think this will hang over their Superbowl wins to a huge extent, but there is some kind of quasi-black mark that won’t die down.

  112. Bob says: Jan 30, 2013 11:12 AM

    ““Am I bitter about how the league handled them taping people? If Bountygate was that bad and Sean got suspended for a whole year? If we want to talk about some unfair assessment of how we’re assessing things?”

    That’s because Kraft was one of the people who essentially got Goodell his job and controls him, and Tom Benson isn’t in that Kraft-Rooney-Mara power triangle.

  113. phillyforlife says: Jan 30, 2013 11:13 AM

    At least Faulk is man enough to own his words the Patsies have to have there wives and girl friends say whats on there mind.

  114. johnclaytonsponytail says: Jan 30, 2013 11:13 AM

    Like I’ve said since day one….. Cheating is an unfair advantage on the field of play. Spygate is cheating plain and simple. Bountygate not so much.

  115. kixtart1 says: Jan 30, 2013 11:14 AM

    Get over it you crybaby. So sick of hearing about spygate. Face it Marshall, you wet your panties in that game. Take solace in the fact that the Pats are now what you were back then, a good smack in the face stops them every time.

  116. bigperm33 says: Jan 30, 2013 11:15 AM

    one last time. The Boston Herald, which published the original story about the Patriots taping the Rams’ practice, later published a complete retraction. They didn’t say they couldn’t confirm it happened; they wrote they had confirmed it did not happen. This taping of the Rams practice did not happen – it is complete fiction. The Herald that had the original story, admitted it (and by admitting it, they opened themselves up to liability, so there is no reason to publish the retraction they did unless they were certain). But like so many things, no one remember the second story, they only remember the first. Marhsall, I am sorry you got beat that day. But you got beat, get over it.

  117. kate773 says: Jan 30, 2013 11:15 AM

    Its funny that the reason the Patriots lost the last 2 SB’s and this year’s AFCCG is because of the same reason they beat the Rams. They got punched in the mouth and they don’t play as well when that happens. Same thing happened to the Rams.

    I wonder what Willie McGinest has to say about his co-worker calling him a cheater? I’d be interested in his comments.

  118. thejohnsmith1122 says: Jan 30, 2013 11:15 AM

    Can we stop it with the “Patriots haven’t won a SB since spygate” argument?

    They are still at the top of the conference and division EVERY year. The only reason they haven’t made it to the SB again is simply because the playoffs are lose and you’re out. It could be from dropping a pass, missing a field goal etc., not because they’re not taping anymore.

  119. iamthefootballjerk says: Jan 30, 2013 11:19 AM

    This is awesome. A respectable Hall of Famer putting the screws to the Pats. Everyone wants to make it seem like the cheating did not matter, but every play matters. Especially in the SB. That game came down to a last second field goal, so any play in that game would have been the difference. I look forward to hearing the Pats fans defend this, because it is the ultimate sign of ignorance. They should just shut up and take their licks.

  120. bigperm33 says: Jan 30, 2013 11:19 AM

    On May 14, 2008, this following ran in the Boston Herald under the headline, “Sorry Pats”:

    “On Feb. 2, 2008, the Boston Herald reported that a member of the New England Patriots’ video staff taped the St. Louis Rams’ walkthrough on the day before Super Bowl XXXVI. While the Boston Herald based its Feb. 2, 2008, report on sources that it believed to be credible, we now know that this report was false, and that no tape of the walkthrough ever existed.

    Prior to the publication of its Feb. 2, 2008, article, the Boston Herald neither possessed nor viewed a tape of the Rams’ walkthrough before Super Bowl XXXVI, nor did we speak to anyone who had. We should not have published the allegation in the absence of firmer verification.

    The Boston Herald regrets the damage done to the team by publication of the allegation, and sincerely apologizes to its readers and to the New England Patriots owners, players, employees and fans for our error.”

  121. bigperm33 says: Jan 30, 2013 11:21 AM

    One last point – between all the players on the team and all the coaches and assistants and trainers and their own team employees taping the practice, you are going to tell me Marhall not one Rams employee would have noticed a strange person with a video camera pointed at your practice? Really? The whole notion is just absurd.

  122. Beezo-Doo-doo-Zippity-Bop-bop-bop says: Jan 30, 2013 11:21 AM

    All Boston sports teams cheat and their fans know and accept it freely. They teach their kids that cheating is part of sports. Cheat in sports, cheat in school, cheat on your spouse – the Patriot Way.

  123. irishphilly87 says: Jan 30, 2013 11:24 AM

    I love how all the Baaaaaaston dueschb*gs all dislike my comment above. It’s the truth. Philadelphia and other cities can win 5 championships in a decade by cheating too. Utley and Howard as our #3, #4 hitters can juice like Manny and Big Papi.

  124. skyleralan says: Jan 30, 2013 11:25 AM

    The Pats can do anything and there are no serious ramifications. Rams should have played the Raiders, but wait what happened?!? A call that has never been heard of EVER ala the “Tuck Rule”.

    Clearly, if you are a Pats fan you are a boat jumping loser. You all also clearly support men wearing Ugg Boots.

  125. ravenator says: Jan 30, 2013 11:25 AM

    Hah! Ravens never cheated to get to the superbowl. I love how theyre already coming up with excuses. Sorry Patriot fans, you got beatdown that second half. Ray Lewis is amazing. Hate on haters.

  126. insider7 says: Jan 30, 2013 11:25 AM

    Typical Faulk…he has no hard evidence to back up his hysterical claim, just bitterness that he and his 14-point favorite Rams got beat in a classic Super Bowl.

    Did the Rams practice fumbling the ball and throwing interceptions during their walk through practice? That’s how they lost that game. Turnovers. Punk!

  127. all4patriots says: Jan 30, 2013 11:26 AM

    “But the separate allegation that the Patriots taped the Rams’ walk-through before the Super Bowl was never substantiated.”

    Not only was the allegation not substantiated, it was also in fact RETRACTED on the front page, by the people at the Boston Herald who made up the story a day before SB 42.

  128. tvguy22 says: Jan 30, 2013 11:27 AM

    I’d like to say they cheated against the Eagles too, but every team always knew what plays the Eagles ran for the past 14 years.

  129. dvdman123 says: Jan 30, 2013 11:29 AM

    I don’t understand the “sour grape” comments at all. The fact is the Patriots themselves ADMITTED they cheated by spying on the opposition. No other team is NFL history has done that. So to say their titles shouldn’t be tainted is just plain ridiculous and the NFL should be ashamed of themselves.

  130. vikescry1 says: Jan 30, 2013 11:30 AM

    I was once told if you ain’t cheatin you ain’t tryin. That was at a kids football camp in new england… belicheeks speech that day was awesome!

  131. bunjy96 says: Jan 30, 2013 11:31 AM

    Based on so many of the “non factual” comments above, I guess the Bucs cheated when they played the Raiders.

    No I got that backwards, the Bucs didn’t win, the Raiders gave it to them.

    Why is Faulk even bringing this up? Does anyone really care except for the haters/whiners, who will hate/whine no matter what the real facts are.

    Want to talk about the Seahawks Steelers game?

  132. gtmcd82 says: Jan 30, 2013 11:31 AM

    It is amazing how many people hate the Pats! I have been a season tix holder since 1992 and it is awful to hear the Belicheat and spygate crap how many years later? you know I have the Yankees but you know what, I am jealous of them! Patriot haters move on to something else and get a life!

  133. iggles07 says: Jan 30, 2013 11:34 AM

    You know – for all those defending this as a nothing story, get over it, sour grapes, etc….there is a rather simple solution.

    Release the evidence. If as Faulk claims, the league burnt the tapes, then that right there shows there was evidence they did not want the world to see. You don’t burn evidence. If however, they kept the evidence on file as they should have, then just release it and exhonerate the Patriots.

    If its nothing more than a non-story that everyone needs to let go, then allow the general public to see what cost the Patriots multiple draft picks and fines.

  134. Corey Jeppesen says: Jan 30, 2013 11:36 AM

    Problem with articles like these is that almost everyone assumes the tone of voice Faulk speaks in. Some then believe he’s a whiner, some a jerk, some justified. That’s what makes text reporting successful.

  135. sjhesketh says: Jan 30, 2013 11:36 AM

    Faulk is also bitter because the Pats’ game plan for that SB was to hit him on every single play, no matter what his role was on that play. He got physically pounded into dust.

  136. sjhesketh says: Jan 30, 2013 11:37 AM

    His comments about the red zone are laughable. The Rams reached the red zone twice in that game and scored 2 TDs.

  137. steelerfanjo says: Jan 30, 2013 11:39 AM

    Really… we all said this a decade ago Marshall. The league doesn’t care about cheaters or criminals only money & ratings.

  138. patriotsdefense says: Jan 30, 2013 11:40 AM

    It’s fitting that the 2001 St. Louis Rams were the last team to be individually introduced at a Super Bowl…

    The Rams were 14.5 point favorites. To call them arrogant that entire Super Bowl week back in 2002 would be an understatement. Marshall Faulk’s strong bias of hatred against the Patriots is well documented and it’s because of his thick arrogance matched with his thin skin. I just don’t get why the intense hate. I don’t hate Giants. They beat the Patriots twice in come-from-behind stunning fashion. That’s football. Competition isn’t supposed to be easy. In the pros NOT everyone gets a trophy.

  139. pacific123ocean says: Jan 30, 2013 11:41 AM

    Ha ha ha! And, the Saints cheated the Colts out of a Super Bowl too.

  140. grpatriot says: Jan 30, 2013 11:43 AM

    Tom what were you thinking? 99% of people don’t even know what this was all about! I certainly, put Faulk in that catagory!
    My issue with him is he has a National Platform to spew his non-sense from. No evidence of any wrong-doing.
    Goodell doesn’t like BB and neither do most media members. Otherwise Goodell would step in and shed some light on what he was thinking by destroying those tapes. Only thing I remember from them were Cheerleaders being taped?
    Here we are years later still hearing about this nonsense! By the way Martz sux as a Coach…

  141. bullcharger says: Jan 30, 2013 11:45 AM

    jeremyb112 says:Jan 30, 2013 11:02 AM

    Patriot fans are nothing but spoiled little brats. Can’t wait till Brady and Belichick are gone and your team crumbles.

    ———————

    Of course you can’t wait. That’s what I thought about the Dolphins and Steelers in the 70’s and the 49ers in the 80s and the Cowboys in the 90s. Eventually stretches of time like this pass. However, Bill and Brady are still there now and you will have to suffer this misery for a few more years like I suffered for the 25 previous years.

  142. sweetnlow44 says: Jan 30, 2013 11:48 AM

    You don’t destroy evidence if it doesn’t hold something incriminating. This is all we need to know.

  143. southpaw447 says: Jan 30, 2013 11:50 AM

    Spygate was a camera in an un-designated placed on the sidelines. It wasn’t taping walkthroughs or practices either. It was taping hand signals and up until the Patriots were penalized, it wasn’t against the rules to do it.

    The Patriots haven’t won a superbowl since because they aren’t a physical defense anymore, not because of a hand signal.

  144. bosfaninva says: Jan 30, 2013 11:51 AM

    Faulk is a whiner like so many Pats haters.

  145. patriotinvasion says: Jan 30, 2013 11:51 AM

    Somebody call a wahhhmbulance for Faulk and these haters. Patriots Super Bowl highlights are still shown on NFL Network and ESPN in all of their beautiful slow motion glory. No asterisks, no footnotes, nothing.

    The national media has let this go because after a +.700 win percentage, 2 AFC Championships, and 2 more Super Bowl appearances since, with a completely different tam (and worse defense) it’s a non-story.

    No matter what insignificant comment you guys type here (mostly bitter fans of teams we’ve tormented for a decade), it won’t change anything. Pats were the Dynasty of the 2000’s. Brady and Belichick will be giving their HOF speeches in a few years and that’s that.

  146. southpaw447 says: Jan 30, 2013 11:52 AM

    On a side note as well, I hope Marshall gets fired from NFLN for his comments. He’s a terrible analyst anyway.

  147. n2thaizzo says: Jan 30, 2013 11:54 AM

    That whole “Pats haven’t won anything since” argument is lame. Name me one team that has won 3 superbowls in 4 years, and then continued winning immediately after…

  148. damnsureis says: Jan 30, 2013 11:55 AM

    Maybe he’s right. They haven’t won anything since spygate 2006. Except for 2 AFC Championships, and appearance in a third, and 5 division championships.

  149. patriotenvy says: Jan 30, 2013 11:59 AM

    “I respect everything about that organization.” -Faulk statement from the same interview.

    I repect everything about Kevin Faulk. But I think he can’t take losing.

  150. csilojohnson says: Jan 30, 2013 12:01 PM

    Of course he is, of course they cheated. Goodell is the biggest joke these days. No integrity, no consistency, no sense. Burnt the tapes? Why?
    It must suck to be a Pats fan. Deep down you know your team cheated it’s way to 3 story bowls. Yet you had no control over the cheating. What do you do? You gotta root for your hometown team. Of course 40% of the fans being frontrunners. They will do ok. Time to dust off the niners gear thats been in the closet for 20+ yrs.

  151. marcinhouston says: Jan 30, 2013 12:02 PM

    Roger Goodell tries another case by Sharia law. If Roger likes your team, he burns the evidence and never suspends your coach. If he hates your team, he exaggerates the evidence and suspends your coach for a year even if your coach wasn’t the ringleader. We need a real commish who doesn’t handle all these cases how a warlord from Somalia or the Sudan would.

  152. cowboyfan66 says: Jan 30, 2013 12:08 PM

    southpaw447 said:
    “The Patriots haven’t won a superbowl since because they aren’t a physical defense anymore, not because of a hand signal.”

    Uh…ahem, the Pats won SB 38 and 39…those were after they beat up the Lambs!

  153. brutus9448 says: Jan 30, 2013 12:08 PM

    There is a reason the pats haven’t won another superbowl after they were caught.

  154. themagicfanguy says: Jan 30, 2013 12:09 PM

    Remember when everybody hated the cowboys for dominating the league every year? Same with the 49rs and steelers. Everybody hates the winning team UNLESS its their team. Simply put, the Patriots have been the best team in the NFL since 2001 BY FAR. Get over it.

  155. svn2011 says: Jan 30, 2013 12:10 PM

    The walkthrough tape never existed. The tapes he claims commissioner destroyed were apparently tapes of defensive signals not offensive. QB had a mike in his helmet even then. So if anything the QB shouldve benefitted. And brady had less than 100 yards passing in the game before the final drive. But lets not facts get in the way .

  156. nyfcat says: Jan 30, 2013 12:12 PM

    Faulk is probably right, especially considering the Pats only won by 3 points.

    But people try to strip the Patriots of all of their success, completely ignoring the fact that they have had a BETTER record since SpyGate.

  157. CKL says: Jan 30, 2013 12:16 PM

    It was wrong, BB ignored the memo and deserved to be punished for that. But it was a scouting efficiency practice. I’ll repeat what I posted on another topic.
    The short answer is of course there was a purpose for it. It allowed them to scout opposing teams more efficiently by having a record of the hand signal and the game clock to synch to what plays were being run when they watched the game tapes later in the following week. One reason it made it more efficient to record this is because teams give dummy hand signals (if they are smart, because 60+ k eyes at the game can still see them regardless of videotapes) so it made deciphering them more cumbersome. The legal method to do this remains (after the memo BB decided to eschew) having a person sitting upstairs writing everything down instead of having it on tape. I would bet teams still do that.

    The tapes they showed on TV showed things like Herm Edwards waving at the camera. Mike McCarthy also knew about this and told the Pats to stop. The fact is, per guys like Jimmy Johnson and Tim Green in his book about the dark side of the NFL this was a common practice for years with some teams. And I will say it again…once the memo came out, that should have been it for the Pats doing it…but BB ignored it. Again, that’s why he and the team were punished..the ignoring the memo. And again…I have no problem with there being a cost to his choice. But acting like it was some super secret decoder ring is pure silliness.

    Also to the person who wants “proof” either way of a walkthrough tape, there simply wasn’t one. McDaniels taped a practice years later when he was with Den and they had no problem punishing him for that. Why wouldn’t they have punished the Pats if they had that?Matt Walsh was a fraud but he and Tomase did what they needed to do to falsely tarnish the Pats repiutation. Everyone knows people like to choose to believe sensationalized stuff, true or not. All those National Enquirer type mags and TMZ etc wouldn’t be successful if that weren’t true.

    As for Faulk, isn’t is enough revenge for him to know that his Rams and his former team, the Colts were the ones behind the rules emphasis that changed the Pats into a finesse passing team and since they’ve been that, they haven’t won a SB? I really wish someone would put that to him and see what he says.

  158. hehateme2 says: Jan 30, 2013 12:17 PM

    Faulk should have known better than to mention the patz history of cheating.

    For such a soft, front-running fan base they sure know how to complain and whine when this subject comes up. Hate? Naw…. just the truth and clearly it still stings. ***

  159. truetrue85 says: Jan 30, 2013 12:22 PM

    Ok, we all know Roger Goodell loves to drop the hammer and establish his power as the NFL commissioner right? So, why is everybody so quick to claim that he hid something to protect the Patriots when he was faced with a scandal “supposedly” involving cheating in multiple super bowls in just his first year in charge? What better way to establish your power and rule with an iron fist than to start off your tenure by stripping one of the best teams in the league of their championships and giving them the a college-like death penalty as punishment.

    Sounds to me like Roger Goodell saw all of the evidence and found nothing in the ballpark of super bowl walk throughs (which I’m sure he was chomping at the bit to find) and handed down the punishment he saw fit. Marshall Faulk just sounds like sour grapes from a guy who’s team was shut down in his final super bowl appearance and he’s choosing this as a scapegoat rather than just accepting reality. It’s sad really.

  160. cspades99 says: Jan 30, 2013 12:23 PM

    I don’t quite understand the “it was so long ago” sentiments I’m seeing. The guy thinks he was cheated out of THE singular goal of being part of a team. No amount of time will ever make it easier to swallow. And the handling of that entire thing makes it even harder to get over.

    If I was Faulk, I don’t imagine my take on it would change until the day I died.

  161. svn2011 says: Jan 30, 2013 12:24 PM

    xmatt0926x says:
    Jan 30, 2013 11:12 AM
    I don’t know how much they were helped by what they did, but I do remember some Eagles players also saying that the Patriots seemed to know exactly what was coming. I will say this. Maybe patriots haters need to tone it down some and give credit where it is due to a franchise that has had a great run, but Patriots fans also need to stop pretending that what the Patriots did was harmless. I think we all can agree that Bill Bellichick is a very smart guy. If he felt that the taping didn’t really help would he have gone to such efforts to do it if wasn’t to his teams advantage? I don’t think this will hang over their Superbowl wins to a huge extent, but there is some kind of quasi-black mark that won’t die down.
    ——–
    Brady responded to this eagles claim that the pats knew everything with this “Of course we knew, they just blitz on every play!”

  162. threedeep1998 says: Jan 30, 2013 12:25 PM

    The irony of this is that if there wasn’t the “Burt Emmanuel” rule in the couple years prior…Rams would have not won the SB. That was BS.

  163. j0esixpack says: Jan 30, 2013 12:25 PM

    God, what an idiot. And thousands of fans parrot him as well.

    Even the guy who Faulk asserts did the spying admits there is no tape.

    Filming signal calling (from the stands) remains legal today. Every team does it – thats why coordinators cover their mouths.

    The Patriots broke a 2006 rule about location of cameras in 2007.

    But Faulk thinks the Patriots should have been following 2006 rules in 2001.

  164. jonny42671 says: Jan 30, 2013 12:28 PM

    Good for Marshall. Saints and Patriots will always be remembered for cheating!!

  165. kordogg says: Jan 30, 2013 12:36 PM

    No “grown man” should hold a grudge. It’s a waste of energy and time. They may or may not have cheated but let me ask you something then all of you saints something. Have you always been upright and moral? If you’re on this earth and you say yes then you are huge liar! I don’t care about bounty or spygate being unfair. Those two teams were smart enough to know how to bend the rules to win. You tell your children not to lie but ask them to keep your secrets of deception. I think it is horrible that he may have gotten cheated out of a second ring but at least he has one and is a hall of famer. Life isn’t fair on this earth, you win some you lose some get over it!

  166. bodie14444 says: Jan 30, 2013 12:37 PM

    it’s funny the game is between the ravens and 49ers and the patriots are a hot topic. they have turned into the yankees of football.

  167. kicksave1980 says: Jan 30, 2013 12:41 PM

    As a Rams fan, I still won’t watch highlights of that Super Bowl. Whether they cheated or not, I can’t say, but the Patriots did a good job of stopping an offense that had not been stopped all year. That game was the beginning of the Patriots run and the end of the Greatest Show On Turf.

    After a decade of futility, I’m not bitter about that Super Bowl anymore. Now I’m excited for the future of this team.

  168. illwillthemick says: Jan 30, 2013 12:41 PM

    eagle fans feel that pain, the really did cheat us out of a super bowl. they knew everytime dawk was gonna blitz. smfh.

  169. waters20 says: Jan 30, 2013 12:42 PM

    Patriots
    Superbowl Champions 2002 *
    Superbowl Champions 2004 *
    Superbowl Champions 2005 *

    * forever tainted

  170. datsanono says: Jan 30, 2013 12:46 PM

    Notice how since they were caught cheating that they have NOT won another superbowl. Coincidence? One other thing…the Patriots should have never made it to that superbowl. Brady fumbled that ball! Just because he was trying to TUCK it doesn’t mean he didn’t fumble it! This entire run under Brady and BB is questionable. From 1995 to about now maybe they should erase all the stats in the NFL and MLB. Lots of cheating and rule twisting.

  171. jscar28 says: Jan 30, 2013 12:48 PM

    Wake this dead horse up so we can beat it again

  172. kevpft says: Jan 30, 2013 12:51 PM

    What Faulk is describing is called, “that’s why they play the games”. What he’s feeling is, “but it wasn’t *supposed* to go that way”. Anyone should know that.

    My take is, how did the Rams score 17 points if all of their plays were known? And if they scored 17, why couldn’t they score 20?

    The Pats had outrageously high-scoring offenses in their most recent two SB appearances, averaging 38 and 35 points/game. Yet the Giants held them to only 14 and 17 two points in those two games.

    It’s called winning and losing, Faulk. Sometimes it doesn’t go your way.

  173. to147 says: Jan 30, 2013 12:56 PM

    Having a great offense stopped for the first time all year by a smart, overpowering defense is nothing really new and we’ve seen it since. The 07 Pats are an example of this, after breaking all sorts of offensive records they were stopped by the Giants D (a middle of the road, but hard hitting defense with a stellar front 4). Nobody accuses the Giants of cheating, and the only one who suggested the Pats did in ’01 was a reporter who recanted and apologized for fabricating the story for pre-superbowl hype.

  174. melikefootball says: Jan 30, 2013 12:59 PM

    Here is another example of the NFL channel letting a X player feel all he says is so knowledgeable, they should put a limit on time allowed on these sports shows for these X players. They continue to live in the past and point fingers at everyone else as if they were such non mistake players in their time. Get over it and yourself Marshall.

  175. giantssb42champs says: Jan 30, 2013 1:01 PM

    I can’t wait for one of the cheaters on the inside to finally start singing like a canary. It will eventually happen.

  176. nolasoxfan2012 says: Jan 30, 2013 1:02 PM

    If only BB had thought to get some footage of David Tyree practicing helmet catches before the 2007-2008 Super Bowl… I mean, clearly losing the Super Bowl twice in the five years since Spygate means BB can’t coach and it’s all a charade. Surely his camera work would have helped them cover Manningham down the sideline in the last two minutes last year. I’m sure his league best record since Spygate is a complete sham we should ignore as evidence. Better we focus on a conspiracy theory that was later disowned by its author. I mean, if Marshall Faulk says it’s so, it must be, right?

    I’m sure this comment will be drowned in hate. So it goes. You’d all love to have BB as your team’s coach.

  177. sjhesketh says: Jan 30, 2013 1:03 PM

    And of course the Pats were taping defensive signals, not offensive. The Pats held the Rams to 17 points anyway.

  178. Mr. Wright 212 says: Jan 30, 2013 1:04 PM

    So there’s about 400 Patriots fans on this site, because you better believe 90 percent of the thumbs down here are from them.

  179. sjhesketh says: Jan 30, 2013 1:04 PM

    Notice how since they were caught cheating that they have NOT won another superbowl. Coincidence?
    *********************************************

    What a terrible thing, to have lost 2 SBs by a total of 7 points after winning 3 by a total of 9 points. Please.

    Of course the Pats’ winning percentage is higher after the scandal broke than before it, they’ve been to 2 more SBs and another AFCCG, they’ve won 5 division titles, and year in and year out are SB contenders.

  180. cheesewizz says: Jan 30, 2013 1:05 PM

    Whaaa, boo hoo we walked in expecting an easy victory and didn’t play hard. But it must be cheating why we lost!!!

    You lost, deal with it. Baby…

  181. Raider-in-PA says: Jan 30, 2013 1:06 PM

    Not sure about this Superbowl, but the refs DEFINITELY cheated the Raiders out of a Superbowl chance with the infamous ‘Tuck Rule’, which went in the Pat-sies favor

  182. giantssb42champs says: Jan 30, 2013 1:08 PM

    So Commissioner, WHY were the tapes burned?

  183. dmb182 says: Jan 30, 2013 1:08 PM

    I’m glad this comes up from time to time. I really am. The spygate thing really left a bad taste in my mouth as an NFL fan. I’m not saying anything other than it was handled very poorly. If it was nothing after all, than that was not conveyed to fans correctly. And the fact that many players have said things like ‘it was like they knew what we were going to line up with” and continue to say those things 10 years later make me think it’s more than sour grapes.

    Before Spygate was even uncovered, i remember an interview with Brian Dawkins after the superbowl the eagles lost where he said something similar. So the fact that that sentiment existed BEFORE spy gate, makes me think there’s something to it.

    And lastly, people talk about those 3 teams getting cheated out of fair superbowl chances… I just think back to Peyton Manning’s Colts of the time, who were just playing lights out football every season, and then repeatedly getting beat in the playoffs by the pats… and it makes me think the wrong dynasty came out of the early 2000’s.

  184. weepingjebus says: Jan 30, 2013 1:17 PM

    If these new “mystery super plays” the Rams had cooked up were anything like their half dozen other “Marshall Faulk for a half yard loss” plays in that game, I seriously doubt the Patriots had to strain themselves to find a way to counter.

  185. samphilvista82 says: Jan 30, 2013 1:22 PM

    Ravens fans: If you win this Sunday, get ready for the haters screaming cheating for the next several years every time your Super Bowl win is brought up. And don’t bother arguing – you can’t win. Just enjoy the win as it will be deserved. Show me a championship team on any level that hasn’t bent or broken a rule at some point during the season – its impossible. Show me a successful business that hasn’t bent or broken a law at some point – its impossible. Show me a successful head of state that hasn’t bent or broken a law to further their agenda at some point – its impossible. The winners write the history, the losers lament how they were cheated. It’s been this way forever and I suspect this will continue.

  186. Patskrieg dot com says: Jan 30, 2013 1:25 PM

    Given all that’s transpired since this Super Bowl is it really that unbelievable that Bill Belichick out-coached Mike Martz?

    Here are some actual facts to consider beyond Faulk’s sour grapes:
    1. The supposed Rams walk through, if it ever happened, according to Martz would have just been red zone plays. The Rams were 1-1 in the red zone for the game.
    2. Mike Martz admitted there might not have even been a walkthrough.
    3. Matt Walsh publicly admitted that he never taped any Rams walkthrough.
    4. Jon Tomase & The Herald publicly apologized for reporting it and admitted they never had adequate evidence to suggest that the Patriots taped a Ram’s pre-SB walkthrough.

    5. Go back and look at the Patriots final drive. Ricky Prohel had just tied the game. The Rams thought they had dodged a bullet and were in party mode on the sidelines. With 29 seconds left and the Patriots on their own 40 Troy Brown waltzes across the middle of the field uncovered for 20+ yards. The Rams’ own arrogance did them in, and continues to do so for Faulk today who has NOTHING to offer football anymore beyond a bunch of pouty annual tirade about the Super Bowl.

  187. spygatersarebirtherslol says: Jan 30, 2013 1:26 PM

    Warner had 365 yards passing.

    Faulk had 76 rushing and 54 receiving.

    How anyone could look at those stat lines and think the Patriots “knew what was coming” is hilarious. Maybe if you guys put up 600 yards instead 450 you could have won, Marshall.

    And to all the rest of you that think “spygate” was some sort of magic bullet for success – the evidence is overwhelmingly against you. And no, losing two Super Bowls by a combined 7 points is not an argument that bolsters your case.

    Get over it.

  188. suxmyballspft says: Jan 30, 2013 1:30 PM

    The Pats are now CURSED due to spygate. No superbowls for 20 years.

  189. romosrevenge says: Jan 30, 2013 1:33 PM

    Why did theLeague “burn” the tapes? Common practice or out of the ordinary? Have Goodell answer this one and look in his eyes when you ask. We know the Pats are cheaters. They’ve been caught on similar issues(taping signals).
    Me thinks it stinks.

  190. unlost1 says: Jan 30, 2013 1:36 PM

    One of the ex-Patriots told me “no comment” so I know they were guilty!

  191. ketchupaholic says: Jan 30, 2013 1:36 PM

    Destroying the tapes? Why? Get rid of the evidence, just like Obama is doing with Benghazi. Makes me sick. Marshall Faulk has a legitimate case.

  192. williebeaman says: Jan 30, 2013 1:39 PM

    Actually, the fault of this SB was solely on the shoulders of Mike stubborn Martz. If Faulk is still upset, then Martz is the man he should be mad at. He refused to give the best player in the game the ball. His rushing attempts and total touches for that game were greatly below his averages. The Pats were begging the Rams to run it, by going Dime nearly the whole game, but Martz is Martz.

    A few side notes:

    Pats shouldn’t have even been in the game (Tuck rule).

    This was the first of Brady’s 3 SB wins as a game manager. Yes, early in his career he was a game manager, not an elite QB with great defenses and running games to help him. Now since he’s been the elite QB the last 6 years where the offense runs through him, he hasn’t been able to win (despite being massive favorites on more than one occasion).

    The Rams were 14 point favorites in that game which is the exact same point spread for the Pats in the 18-1 season…..

  193. patriotinvasion says: Jan 30, 2013 1:39 PM

    dmb182 says: Jan 30, 2013 1:08 PM

    And lastly, people talk about those 3 teams getting cheated out of fair superbowl chances… I just think back to Peyton Manning’s Colts of the time, who were just playing lights out football every season, and then repeatedly getting beat in the playoffs by the pats… and it makes me think the wrong dynasty came out of the early 2000′s.
    ___

    So the Patriots taped opposing defensive signals, and you think that affects how Peyton Manning played against the PATRIOTS’ defense back then? Cool, glad to see you know what you’re talking about.

  194. dennis2488 says: Jan 30, 2013 1:44 PM

    people see conspiracies everywhere in the world these days. i still cant believe watching somebody elses defensive signals is illegal and the opposing teams gave their camera men credentials for god sake. if it werent for espn tricking people who never played football into believing this was a big deal, nothing would have ever happened. the patriots got 750,000 in fines, a loss of a first round pick and the distraction of this non-issue. i think they got it pretty rough if you ask me.

  195. spygatersarebirtherslol says: Jan 30, 2013 1:45 PM

    “Why did theLeague “burn” the tapes? Common practice or out of the ordinary? Have Goodell answer this one and look in his eyes when you ask. We know the Pats are cheaters. They’ve been caught on similar issues(taping signals).
    Me thinks it stinks.”
    ———

    1. there was no tape of the walk through to even burn….so I have no idea where you got that. Google Boston Globe Rams walk through retraction.

    2. they were fined for taping the other team’s sideline from the wrong location. it wasn’t illegal then, nor is it now, to video the other team’s sideline. that was the one, single, tape that was “burned” (week 1 07) and some of the footage was shown on television. why was it burned? no idea. ask goodell.

  196. jjh1982 says: Jan 30, 2013 1:49 PM

    Once a cheater always a cheater

  197. alphaq2 says: Jan 30, 2013 1:54 PM

    I live in Redskins country, but have several buddies that are die hard Patriots fans. It’s almost comical how pissed they get when anybody brings up Spygate. It’s to the point that someone will bring it up just to watch the Boston boys lose their minds. They would have you believe that the Patriots did nothing wrong and were fined $750,000 and docked a first round draft pick for no reason. Looking at the majority of the posts here I see that it’s not just my buddies that are in denial.

  198. edavidberg says: Jan 30, 2013 1:56 PM

    Marshall may be right … but despite the cheating the Rams still would have won the Super Bowl with somebody else calling the plays. Mike Martz is a fraud who to this day acts as if the performance of five future Hall of Famers on that Ram offense (Warner, Holt, Bruce, Faulk and Pace) was his own genius. Rams fans should rue the day Mike Martz set foot in St. Louis, without him the Vermeil comes back for more and they actually run the ball and win at least one more if not two titles.

  199. silverback9999 says: Jan 30, 2013 1:56 PM

    Ask Joey Porter or Hines Ward about being cheated out of at least one Super Bowl appearance. Steelers were double digit home favorites in the 1st AFC title game vs Pats. Hines said they were calling out the Steelers plays on the field and knew everything they were running. You can’t tell me it didn’t make a difference.

  200. tbperk says: Jan 30, 2013 2:01 PM

    First of all “Spygate” didn’t involve the Super Bowls, the commissioner never had any tapes from the Super Bowl to destroy. Matt Walsh and the Boston Herald made those accusations and printed a retraction within days off making them. Matt Walsh was interviewed by the league, turned in the tapes he had and they were of the same variety that the league had already received from the Patriots.

    The “cheating” was that the cameraman was on the sidelines instead of in the stands behind the bench as the league had directed at the start off season, read that again, the league knew that teams were/are taping and said it can’t/couldn’t be done from the sidelines anymore. Any team to this day can film another teams defensive signals as long as the cameraman is in the stands and not on the sidelines. 30 feet (sidelines to the stands) and defying commissioner Goodell’s directive is what “Spygate” is about, anyone that explains it differently is just adding hyperbole and legend to the story.

  201. pushier says: Jan 30, 2013 2:02 PM

    Again the jealosy of the Patriots never stops.To say they have not won a SB since is the dumbest statement a loser fan can ever make.Since so called ”SPYGATE” the Pats have had an undefeated regular season,been in 3 AFC ChampGames winning 2 of them and been in 2 SB’S losing them both on last minute heroics by the Giants.If the ball doesn’t stick to Tyree’s helmet they definetley win that and then it took a perfect pass by Eli to win last yr.You CLOWNS act like they have been getting blown out since ”spygate”.Dream on LOSER fans.

  202. tbd3 says: Jan 30, 2013 2:06 PM

    Sour grapes. No evidence.

    You all have fun bashing the Patriots in the comments while New England fans are off wallowing in their misery. I’m still here, not ashamed of the season. (The Ravens kicked our ass.)

    Go Pats, can’t wait for next season.

  203. mnomalley says: Jan 30, 2013 2:08 PM

    Patriots play in the easiest division in the league next to the broncos. Thats why these teams make the playoffs every year and have good records. Bring the patriots into the nfc north and see what happens.

  204. goodellsadouche says: Jan 30, 2013 2:09 PM

    Real easy to get turnovers when you’re reading the other teams play signals

  205. autumnritual says: Jan 30, 2013 2:13 PM

    I didn’t see a single instance of the Patriots cheating during the three hours the game was played. Oh, they didn’t cheat DURING the game? You mean the Rams could have won on their own merits but were not good enough to?

  206. bullcharger says: Jan 30, 2013 2:13 PM

    silverback9999 says:Jan 30, 2013 1:56 PM

    Ask Joey Porter or Hines Ward about being cheated out of at least one Super Bowl appearance. Steelers were double digit home favorites in the 1st AFC title game vs Pats. Hines said they were calling out the Steelers plays on the field and knew everything they were running. You can’t tell me it didn’t make a difference.

    ———————-

    I can tell you that… it didn’t make a difference. 1. The Steelers had Kordell Stewart who completely sucked.
    2. The Patriots scored a punt return TD
    3. The Patriots scored a blocked FG TD.

    The Steelers lost the game on special teams, plain and simple. Any other version is just wishful thinking.

  207. bullcharger says: Jan 30, 2013 2:15 PM

    goodellsadouche says:Jan 30, 2013 2:09 PM

    Real easy to get turnovers when you’re reading the other teams play signals

    —————-

    No it isn’t.

  208. raiders757 says: Jan 30, 2013 2:17 PM

    Well tbperk, it’s easy to win all those games and do so well when the commissioner is in your back pocket doing everything he can to help you win. His bias and love for the Patriots being the flagship team of his era is beyond obvious. Not saying the Patsies aren’t good, but it’s obvious that they have had a lot of help along the way.

  209. goodellsadouche says: Jan 30, 2013 2:18 PM

    3 Superbowl wins by 3 last second field goals! Really easy to get into scoring position when stealing the defensive signals. TD Tom hasn’t been so clutch since they discovered the Pats were doin this. Yeah there still great, still make the playoffs yearly, but they’re not getting into field goal position with 3 seconds, like they did before spygate.

  210. sschmiggles says: Jan 30, 2013 2:18 PM

    How many Super Bowls did he bring to Cleveland?
    ___________________

    Belichick was the last head coach to win a playoff game in Cleveland. And then that team became the Ravens.

    By the way, you know why Goodell burned the tapes? It’s because they showed other teams shooting film on the sidelines, just like the Patriots were doing.

    If the Patriots really cheated, Goodell would have been all over it. You really think the guy who suspended Payton for a season with basically no evidence would just sit on proof of cheating? Delusional at best.

  211. sjhesketh says: Jan 30, 2013 2:19 PM

    Ask Joey Porter or Hines Ward about being cheated out of at least one Super Bowl appearance. Steelers were double digit home favorites in the 1st AFC title game vs Pats. Hines said they were calling out the Steelers plays on the field and knew everything they were running. You can’t tell me it didn’t make a difference.

    *********************************************

    Yes, the Pats sure knew that in that 1st AFCCG, the Steelers planned to:

    1) have a FG blocked and returned for a TD
    2) allow a punt return for a TD
    3) injure Tom Brady only to have Bledsoe come in and throw a TD pass.

    No wonder the Pats won!

    Please.

    Again, they taped defensive signals. DEFENSIVE. Not offensive. Defensive.

  212. frozentundrathunder says: Jan 30, 2013 2:20 PM

    “Faulk seems to believe Belichick and the Patriots got off easy for Spygate.”

    Nah, really ?

    I think I speak for the rest of the league when I say the end of the “hoody and pretty boy” era can’t come soon enough.

    It’ll be nice when the pats go back to losing games and their bandwagon fans go back to their previous teams.

    It all boils down to an era the NFL would have been better off without.

  213. goodellsadouche says: Jan 30, 2013 2:22 PM

    Marshall, with the exception of Marcus Allen & Barry Sanders, is the maybe one of the Greatest running backs to play football in the last 25-30 years. He has an extremely high “football IQ’s”

  214. bullcharger says: Jan 30, 2013 2:25 PM

    williebeaman says:Jan 30, 2013 1:39 PM

    Actually, the fault of this SB was solely on the shoulders of Mike stubborn Martz. If Faulk is still upset, then Martz is the man he should be mad at. He refused to give the best player in the game the ball. His rushing attempts and total touches for that game were greatly below his averages. The Pats were begging the Rams to run it, by going Dime nearly the whole game, but Martz is Martz.

    A few side notes:

    Pats shouldn’t have even been in the game (Tuck rule).

    This was the first of Brady’s 3 SB wins as a game manager. Yes, early in his career he was a game manager, not an elite QB with great defenses and running games to help him. Now since he’s been the elite QB the last 6 years where the offense runs through him, he hasn’t been able to win (despite being massive favorites on more than one occasion).

    The Rams were 14 point favorites in that game which is the exact same point spread for the Pats in the 18-1 season…..

    ——————-

    1. The Patriots were 12.5 point favorites in the 2007 season.

    2. Brady made it back to 2 Super Bowls and lost by a combined 7 points. He only won the other 3 by 9 points. He could have just as easily lost others and won the last two. The fact he made it back is incredible. Judging the team on not winning those games is justified to an extent but there is also an element of luck involved in all 5 of those games. None were dominant.

    3. The Tuck Rule was called by the rules. I don’t get why people think it should have been a turn over. The Patriots were lucky sure, but it was the right call per the rules that exist even today.

  215. bullcharger says: Jan 30, 2013 2:27 PM

    suxmyballspft says:Jan 30, 2013 1:30 PM

    The Pats are now CURSED due to spygate. No superbowls for 20 years.

    —————–

    If you say so it must be true.

  216. bullcharger says: Jan 30, 2013 2:28 PM

    rayguyreturns says:Jan 30, 2013 10:14 AM

    Don’t worry Marshall there are a lot of (*) after the Pats Super Bowl “wins”.

    ——————

    There actually are none as it turns out.

  217. j0esixpack says: Jan 30, 2013 2:35 PM

    “But the separate allegation that the Patriots taped the Rams’ walk-through before the Super Bowl was never substantiated.”

    – Never substantiated? It’d be more accurate to say “completely retracted by the reporter and newspaper who admit they got the story completely wrong”

  218. bullcharger says: Jan 30, 2013 2:36 PM

    stillers7 says:Jan 30, 2013 10:20 AM

    Get the book “Spygate the Untold Story” or google “Ernie Adams Spygate”. Very interesting.

    ——————

    The second paragraph from that book says “This is my first book. I am a fan just like you, a soccer dad from the Southwest.”

    It’s just a guy interpreting the same publicly available information that you have. It’s nonsense.

  219. j0esixpack says: Jan 30, 2013 2:37 PM

    waters20 says:

    Patriots
    Superbowl Champions 2002 *
    Superbowl Champions 2004 *
    Superbowl Champions 2005 *

    * forever tainted

    —————————————

    Would you care to explain to everyone your logic of how the Patriots violation of a 2006 rule taints their 2001- 2004 seasons?

  220. crappygovernment says: Jan 30, 2013 2:38 PM

    Philadelphia Eagles = 2004 NFL Champions! Victory parade tomorrow at Noon!

  221. moturnovers24 says: Jan 30, 2013 2:39 PM

    Marshall Marshall quit whinning u lost live with it unless u can prove it but rodger loves the pats so he won’t do anything any how

  222. raymondtx says: Jan 30, 2013 2:43 PM

    The pats broght all this 2nd guessing on themselves by getting caught doing something they KNEW was illegal. Why patriot fans cant get this through their thick skulls is beyond me.

  223. steelcurtainn says: Jan 30, 2013 2:45 PM

    Faulks Right. The Pats should have asterisk marks by all there playoff and superbowl appearances . The steelers were victims in 2005. Awfully funny how they havent won nothing since then. hmmm sounds fishy too me, i tend to agree with Marshall.

  224. filthymcnasty1 says: Jan 30, 2013 2:46 PM

    Whenever I listen to such a heated debate over a single championship like this, I’m always reminded how nice it is for the Packers to have a league leading and record 13 World Championships.

  225. deliveredbysherpa says: Jan 30, 2013 2:54 PM

    Anybody know what else happened around the same time? The NFL changed the rules around pass interference (thanks to Bill Polian).

    Maybe, just maybe, that had more to do with the Patriots not winning another championship since then.

    P.S. Marshall you were a great player, but man does this whining come off as sour grapes.

  226. mungman69 says: Jan 30, 2013 3:00 PM

    222 comments and counting. This is big. Everyone sees a crybaby.

  227. db105 says: Jan 30, 2013 3:01 PM

    Over time it’s amazing how people get the facts mixed up. There was never anything substantiating the Pats taping the walk Rams walk through. However the Pats were found guilty of taping opponents signals from the sidelines during the first game of 2007. That was legal up until I think it was 2006. The Pats won Super Bowls after the 2001, 2003, and 2004 seasons. No, I’m not a Pats fan. But I do like to get the facts straight.

  228. azarkhan says: Jan 30, 2013 3:05 PM

    mnomalley say: Patriots play in the easiest division in the league next to the broncos…. Bring the patriots nto the nfc north and see what happens.

    The Patriots played the NFC North in 2010. The results were:
    Patriots 45, Lions 24
    Patriots 31, Packers 27
    Patriots 36, Bears 7 (great game in Chicago in a blizzard!)
    Patriots 28, Vikings 18

    You were saying….?

  229. ronmexicothecoachkiller says: Jan 30, 2013 3:10 PM

    Patriots Cheated. Plain and Simple. They stole a Super Bowl from the Eagles also. I know what I saw.
    Belichick should have been suspended for a year.

  230. tigerlilac says: Jan 30, 2013 3:11 PM

    I love it when someone reveals the truth. In this case, Faulk reveals his hidden deamons of loathing and hate. He can’t be a man and take the loss to the team that won on the field. There needs to be a reason for the loss; the Patriots must have cheated because otherwise he lost and he can’t live with that reality. The Raiders’ fans’ get to chime in about how their years of futility are due to the “tuck rule” call, not an ownership in disarray and a team of misfits. Small minded fans get to click a thumbs up on posts that slam the Patriots or thumbs down on a post that praises the Patriots. It couldn’t be because Belichick and Brady work harder and because Kraft is a better businessman, could it? Alas Patriot haters, yes it could.

  231. stanleyhalas says: Jan 30, 2013 3:48 PM

    I think we can all let this go by now. They cheated, they’re cheaters, and they got caught. But who cares. I take satisfaction in the fact that they’ve basically been the buffalo bills of the league since being caught cheating. Be it coincidence or a direct result of not being able to cheat anymore. So tom brady can watch the super bowl, and wear his ugg boots, while other teams play for the superbowl.

  232. jblandbeardown says: Jan 30, 2013 3:48 PM

    The Boston Herald retracted the statement due to Mr. Kraft telling them he would revoke their press pass to all games. Once they realized there was no chance to get Bellichick sound bites after games, they instantly retracted.

  233. raideralex99 says: Jan 30, 2013 4:06 PM

    So if you know what plays are being run …. it’s cheating.
    Don’t all teams have videos of the opposing teams they play.
    Maybe the Rams should have changed their game plan 2 days before the SB like Callahan did in SB 37.

  234. ijahru says: Jan 30, 2013 4:16 PM

    I always consider the source when reading items and in this case the source was a man who got punched in the mouth all day by the Patriots and is still whining about it. The Patriots pressed St Louis’s small receivers and made sure someone was chipping Faulk on every play. Tell me how a video tape would help someone develop that game plan. Belichick has said their defensive game plan that day was built on the fact that the Ram’s offensive skill players were afraid to get hit.

  235. mungman69 says: Jan 30, 2013 5:47 PM

    Time to move on to the next subject.

  236. db105 says: Jan 30, 2013 6:06 PM

    Funny how people can’t seem to get the facts straight. The video taping of the Rams walk through was never substantiated. It was also retracted by the person making the statement. The rule change against video taping from the sidelines of opposing teams coaches occurred in 2006. The Pats were caught video tapping week 1 of the 2007 season. The Pats won Super Bowls after the 2001, 2003, and 2004 seasons. Piece it all together and the Spygate thing becomes a joke. I’m not a Pats fan. Don’t know what’s funnier the people that can’t get facts straight or the Pats fans that always take the bait.

  237. TheWizard says: Jan 30, 2013 6:46 PM

    Well, one of the teams from that SuperBowl certainly did fall off the map afterwards.

  238. monkeesfan says: Jan 30, 2013 7:32 PM

    Marshall Faulk’s inherent credibility is an issue – re-read his claims about the Moon landing.

  239. ynot1381 says: Jan 30, 2013 8:41 PM

    I absolutely love the New England hate that each NE article gets on PFT.

    Fans will use any kind of ammo to make themselves feel better about another team winning.

    The Saints had their bounties. The teams from the 90′s like the 49ers and Cowboys ran without a cap. The Steelers played dirty and roiled. The Ravens are headhunters. blah blah blah…

    What do all these teams have in common. They win.

    Winning breeds hatred and jealous, and ESPN has helped spread that fire like no other in sports.

  240. ynot1381 says: Jan 30, 2013 8:43 PM

    I absolutely love the New England hate that each NE article gets on PFT.

    Fans will use any kind of ammo to make themselves feel better about another team winning.

    The Saints had their bounties. The teams from the 90′s like the 49ers and Cowboys ran without a cap. The Steelers played dirty and roiled. The Ravens are headhunters. blah blah blah…

    What do all these teams have in common. They win.

    Winning breeds hatred and jealousy, and ESPN has helped spread that fire like no other in sports.

  241. hooterdawg says: Jan 30, 2013 8:55 PM

    There are many erroneous comments made on this site, but there is no way to reply directly to specific comments without cut-and-paste. That is so 10 years ago.

  242. ginofelino79 says: Jan 30, 2013 9:28 PM

    Faulk is a sucker…..maybe if he didn’t allow Bruschi to smash his stupid head into the turf all game and become gun shy the rams would have won…because of the blueprint to beat soft teams like the rams and colts was drafted by 2002 pats..the comp committee changed rules to cater to douces like Faulk and Peyton Manning…Marshall Faulk is a moron and sucks on air. Go away.

  243. middy8484 says: Jan 30, 2013 11:15 PM

    Faulk is 100%correct. The Pats cheated and it was proven. The fact that they got rid of the tapes proves what a puppet Goodall is that idiot. I can unequivocally tell you that Belecheat & the Pats will never be in another Super Bowl for years to come. Bet the house on it.

  244. rabbdogg says: Jan 30, 2013 11:45 PM

    juddstarr is an absolute stone cold idiot….hey jackazz…the Vikings saints nfc championship game was play in January of 2010…Katrina happened in 2005 ..if the nfl was going to “give” the saints a superbowl why not in 2006 when the saints went to the nfc championship game?

  245. CowboyErik says: Jan 31, 2013 12:12 AM

    Sore losers and CHEATERS!!!!!!!!!!

  246. jkb0162 says: Jan 31, 2013 12:43 AM

    Sure the Rams were cheated… By their head coach Mike Martz. Hmmm… seven DB’s and all I got is Marshall Faulk. I think I’ll throw the ball all game! Brilliant. Any ball control in the last four minutes and the Rams would have walked away without Brady or Vinatieri even sniffing the field. The Rams biggest crime was letting Dick Vermeil go. The Pats are cheaters, we all know this, but the Rams cheated themselves in that game.

  247. monkeesfan says: Jan 31, 2013 11:11 AM

    For the umpteenth time people, the Patriots were within the rulebook in what they did. What is it about this fact people don’t want to accept? middday8484 – no, what was proven was that the Patriots understand the rulebook better than the commissioner.

  248. yourmomcalled says: Jan 31, 2013 12:04 PM

    Most people have forgotten that Kraft and Rooney were the 2 that pushed hard for Goodell to win the commish job.

  249. rpmcanes says: Jan 31, 2013 4:29 PM

    I’m just curious to know what all the haters have to say about the Patriots going 2-14 Belichick’s first season, not making the playoffs in 2002, and LOSING in ’05 and ’06. Real advantage I tell ya…

  250. newenglandsports11 says: Jan 31, 2013 4:57 PM

    The Patriots are so good at cheating that they waited for the final seconds to win the game on a field goal….. yeah that makes sense

    What I don’t understand about people complaining over Spygate is, if those tapes were so important, wouldn’t the Patriots have won every Super Bowl from 2002 to 2007? Were they intentionally losing games to throw teams off the scent? I mean, why would the tapes benefit them sometimes, but not others? The Patriots didn’t even make the playoffs the year after their first Super Bowl!

  251. bubbaword says: Jan 31, 2013 5:34 PM

    And then they kicked by dog and said I was ugly!

  252. dhillca says: Jan 31, 2013 5:57 PM

    Ravens won it with players all juiced up …..
    Far worse in my opinion.

  253. middy8484 says: Jan 31, 2013 10:33 PM

    One word “SPYGATE”. Enough said. Pats are cheaters.

  254. carpi2 says: Feb 1, 2013 5:41 PM

    I love all the Pats fans on this site who are so quick to tell Faulk to suck it up.

    Yeah he is only a guy who spent a large portion of his life playing football, put in uncountable hours of his life to get to the highest echelons of his sport, and then had the fortune to play for the most important game for any football player, only to find out that he got cheated out of a Lombardi Trophy.

    I can see how he can still be a little pissed about this.

    I am pretty sure there are some of you who still have a sore spot about that time your high school girlfriend got banged out by some other dude.

  255. fearthehoody says: Feb 2, 2013 12:23 PM

    Why is it always about Marshall? Marshall! Marshall! Marshall!

  256. drewsylvania says: Feb 2, 2013 12:37 PM

    Who’s next? Donovan “We Want Our Ring Back So I Can Stop Puking” McNabb?

    Stop whining.

  257. drewsylvania says: Feb 2, 2013 2:33 PM

    They just deleted this:

    “Narrative protection by comment deletion: a full-time job at PFT.”

    Deleting it only shows that I am right.

    Jiggering it so your DB says I’ve already said this post (even though you deleted it) is further evidence against you.

  258. lennydpocketqb says: Feb 3, 2013 3:41 PM

    If the Patriots won a Super Bowl post Spygate I’d say he’s crazy but they have not and I think about the championship games against the Steelers, as well as the Super Bowls. I’m glad Mangini finally blew the whistle on them for taping. I’d be sad if Eli lost twice in the Super Bowl. You vultures would never let it go. But now I get to see your excuses. Thank you Eric Mangini!!!!

  259. carpi2 says: Feb 3, 2013 5:22 PM

    Here is an other way to assess Bill Belichick’s coaching prowess. Just look at his coaching tree and compare it to ANY other decent coach in NFL history.

    What jumps out as being different between good ol’ Billy’s and ANY other coaching tree. Is it that Bill’s tree has spawned a SINGLE decent coach? In fact, I think the coaches from his tree are more known for their own cheating scandals and poor character, than their coaching abilities. I would have to guess the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.

  260. steelersnowand4ever says: Feb 4, 2013 3:33 PM

    elgranderojo79 says:
    Jan 30, 2013 10:26 AM
    St. Louis isn’t the only team to get cheated out of a Superbowl. I’m pretty sure we can all agree the Steelers stole one back in 2006.

    Let’s not forget about the SB in 96 when Jerry Jones paid all of that money to Neil O’Donnell to throw those 2 interceptions to Dallas so that Barry Switzer could show that he was such a good “coach” with Jimmy Johnson’s teams!

  261. markkelleher100 says: Feb 4, 2013 7:09 PM

    1. If a Super Bowl walk through video existed don’t you think a copy would have surfaced by now, of course it would have and it would not matter anyways. 2. Every Head Coach & Coordinator covers their mouth when sending in plays via headset and they have been sending in plays via headset since 1989. Unless Belichick had a NASA camera it would be impossible to pick up. Maybe Belichick had the same camera the U.S. Marines used to get Osama Bin Laden. 3. Every team in the NFL videos every game. Against the Jets, the Patriots openly videoed in the wrong place in the stadium where the NFL said you can’t video from and by the way right next to the Jets videoing the game. 4. The Patriots and Rams played that November and the Rams only won by one score. If a team does not change their signals from game to game they are fools and deserve to lose. Bill Cowher and Jimmy Johnson admitted to stealing signs. Terry Bradshaw admitted the 1970’s Steelers were on PED’s. George Halas admitted he used to watch opponents practices with binoculars the day before games. In MLB they try to steal signs on every pitch. Roger Clemens and Alex Rodriguez were on PED’s for World Series Championships. Half the NHL uses illegal sticks. NBA referees have thrown games. If you are not trying to know exactly what the other team is doing you are not trying to win. Same thing with PEDS, it is part of all sports. Bottom line is that it’s impossible to steal signals with a coach’s mouth covered and plays being sent in by headset.

  262. rememberthescam says: Jan 20, 2014 1:54 AM

    Marshall is absolutely 100% spot on, but Spygate was actually the lesser evil; the most egregious is that the refs looked the other way for the entire length of SB XXXVI and let NE do anything they wanted.

    Example #1: Brady’s “amazing game winning drive”. Just a “slight”asterisk to that: 33 seconds left, ball on the Pats 41 yard line, rush pours in on Brady, who – WHILE STILL IN THE POCKET – launches the ball out of bounds 500 miles from any receiver. Should have been 10 yard penalty and loss of a down, but (surprise surprise) it wasn’t called. Example #2:: Helmet to helmet hit on Warner after the ball was away, which should have nullified Law’s interception return of a “TD”. Should have been roughing the passer, 15 yds, automatic 1st down. Difference in the score right there on that play alone. Again – no call. Example #s 3-1000: Holding of Faulk all day at the line of scrimmage, holds on receivers, clobbering receivers on the opposite side of the field from where the ball was being played, &c &c &C. You name it, NE got away with it. Pats fans keep spinning the laughably ridiculous myth that they “played smash-mouth football and the Rams couldn’t handle it”. What a load of B.S. Any look at the video of that game shows quite clearly that the refs just didn’t want to know about any violations that NE committed; the truth is that the rules of the game simply didn’t apply to them throughout the entire match – they did whatever they damn well wanted to and never got called for it until the very end, when Faulk was held so blatantly that even the refs couldn’t get away with ignoring it. And after all of this – all of this “hard-nosed, smash-mouth football” (yeah…right), they barely “won” on the last second field goal (see the asterisk in example #1 above). I laugh to this day when I think of the outcry NE fans would have made if the same had happened to them. SO glad Peyton beat Shady Brady and Belicheat today. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

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