How very disappointing. It was a very interesting chapter specifically focusing on Belichick’s game plan to stop the Greatest Show on Turf. He basically went after Faulk and had his guys put a lick on him whether he was near the ball or nor. Read that one chapter AT LEAST before commenting. Jaws picked it as one of the seven best game plans in history, so you know he has something to say about it.

Has no one ever seen defenses shift when offenses go into another formation? The Pats, like every other team have defensive checks for formations/tendencies.

And bottom line…there was no walkthrough tape to begin with. Marshall Faulk =Miss Havisham.

These teams played in Week 10 that season. Tom Brady was giving everyone the impression he had a little Joe Montana in him. The game was supposed to be a RAM blowout, but they struggled mightily with the Patriots and the game was not settled until late in the 4th qtr when the RAMS scored a TD. I specifically recall Mike Martz fist pumping and celebrating like it was a big deal. He knew they were locked in a battle and they weren’t used to it, which is why he acted like he hadn’t been there before. This game was very similar to what happened the last week of the season in 2007 when the Pats played the Giants. The team expected to win, won a close game late, but the losing team walked away thinking, “we can beat those guys.” In both instances, they played another close game in the Super Bowl, and the loser of the regular season game won the Super Bowl. That game against the RAMS in 2001 was the tipping point for the Patriots organization, and they have been on a tear ever since. My recollection of that Superbowl is that the RAMS got beat up. If you are going to whine, whine about how the rule changes that allow receivers to run free these days weren’t enacted in time to save your diva offense. You got served in that game and neither organization has been the same since.

And they HAVENT WON CRAP EVER SINCE.

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Really? Do you even watch football? They haven’t won anything? They’ve been winning more games lately than any other team in the NFL.

It was Eric Mangini that narked them out when he became head coach of the Jets and they were going to play them. If it didn’t give any kind of advantage then why was he concerned enough about a team in his division that he plays twice a year?

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And Mangini is on record saying if he knew what it would lead to he never would have done it. And that it was completely blown out of proportion.

This is a fact that Mangini spoke to on national TV.

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Even though I dislike the Patriots, I hate Mangini more. There’s a reason he hasnt got a sniff as a coordinator. He sold out Belichick the word got around and his rep is radioactive.

Spygate happend in 2007 when the Patriots failed to comply with a 2006 Goodell memo stating that filming play calling on the sidelines was no longer allowed. The filming of play calling from authorized locations continues today.

People seem to have that confused with the false allegation of the Boston Herald re: Matt Walsh. The Herald retracted that story because it never happened.

We have people here not only confusing the two stories, but also seemingly faulting the 2001-2004 Patriots for not complying with a 2006 rule.

Amazing

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And they HAVENT WON CRAP EVER SINCE.

Sometimes, the mere association with cheating is enough to tarnish your rings.

The Steelers, Niners still have more, and need not have to be associated with any “spygate.”

Whatever the case, I think we pretty much saw the Ravens smash them in the mouth and the Giants mash through them with their pass rush ….. they’re just another team now.

The debate will always continue , regardless of “hate” for the Patriots. Sometimes, you hate a team that is better and Spygate sure didnt help their cause.

It was Eric Mangini that narked them out when he became head coach of the Jets and they were going to play them. If it didn’t give any kind of advantage then why was he concerned enough about a team in his division that he plays twice a year?

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And Mangini is on record saying if he knew what it would lead to he never would have done it. And that it was completely blown out of proportion.

This is a fact that Mangini spoke to on national TV.

The game was decided in the final two minutes. Their two minute walk through was one of the primary items filmed.\

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Please point out where the evidence is that they filmed the walkthrough…?

Considering it was denied by everyone involved, including the whistle blower who outed the Patriots, your argument is worthless…

The Pats had the ball last, so how again did the Rams offense play into the last two minutes?

Actually the only reason it was even close was the video taping. The Rams were heavily favored in that game and no one stopped them all year on offense. Then again no other team knew their plays like in the Super Bowl. I’m not a Rams fan but they got screwed.

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Well then obviously people stole the Pats signals in 2007 and 2011. How else could you explain them not scoring 35 on people?

Or maybe…the teams they played, played better than them…

The only way to truely know if it could of offered a significant advantage would of been for the tapes to be reviewed by an independent panel (made up of I don’t know…some long retired head coaches or something and/or like he did with bountygate with Tagliabue) and have them issue a report.

The fact that Mangini felt strong enough to nark, and Goodell felt strong enough to never let the evidence be seen by anyone leads me to beleive it was a little more advantageous then people would like to think.

I’m not saying the Pats were not good enough to win, but I do know Bellichek is probobly the best coach to use information like that to it’s maximum degree.

Those Cheaters!

If you look into any dynasty in NFL history you will find fans who feel their teams were cheated by the winning team. Research it.

I love how people think taping another teams defensive signals helped the Patriots Defense. Holding the Greatest Show on Terf to under 20 points doesn’t deserve any credit?

Spygate happend in 2007 when the Patriots failed to comply with a 2006 Goodell memo stating that filming play calling on the sidelines was no longer allowed. The filming of play calling from authorized locations continues today.

People seem to have that confused with the false allegation of the Boston Herald re: Matt Walsh. The Herald retracted that story because it never happened.

We have people here not only confusing the two stories, but also seemingly faulting the 2001-2004 Patriots for not complying with a 2006 rule.

Amazing

It is just like this year’s AFC Championship, unfortunately. The more physical team, the Ravens, manhandled, in the second half, the other team, the Patriots.

6 yard pass
incomplete to Hakim
incomplete to Bruce
fumble return TD nullified by penalty on 4th down
Faulk -1 yard run
Warner touchdown run

So Faulks argument is that the Patriots cheated because of the red zone adjustments to plays they had never run but it doesn’t occur to him that maybe they had checks based on where people lined up in any situation? Also, they scored on that only red zone possession so how is it relevant?

3 key reasons the Rams lost that game:

Turnovers. They were -3 in turnovers and they led to 17 New England points.

pass/run ratio. They passed 47 times that game and refused to run the damn ball into the Patriots nickel coverage that they were in the entire game.

3rd down. The Rams put themselves into 3rd and more than 15 3 times because of penalties and/or sacks. They also passed to Proehl on an incomplete 3rd and 1, again instead of handing it off, and also threw incomplete on 3rd and 3 and 3rd and 5 while another third down was intercepted.

Faulk needs to direct his anger over that game where it belongs, Mike Martz. His game plan lost them that game, period.