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John Mara: Cruz asking for too much money right now

Victor Cruz, Bruce Carter AP

Earlier this week, Giants wide receiver Victor Cruz said he isn’t getting antsy about the fact that he and the Giants have failed to come to terms on a long-term contract.

Giants owner John Mara discussed the topic on Friday and shed some light as to why the two sides haven’t been able to come to an agreement. Jenny Vrentas of the Newark Star-Ledger reports that Mara said Cruz is asking for too much money “right now” and that “there’s a limit” to how much the Giants are willing to pay in order to reach an agreement. Mara went on to say that getting a deal done with Cruz “is a high priority, but he’s not our only priority.”

The Giants have a fair amount of leverage in this situation. Mara said they would tender Cruz as a restricted free agent if they can’t strike a deal — the top tender would be $2.879 million and require another team to give up a first-round pick — and the Giants would have the right to match any offer that Cruz might receive.

It’s far too soon to get to that point, though. Negotiations often start with two sides far apart before finding a way to common ground during the process. It might not happen before Cruz is tendered and may not be the done deal it looked like during the season, but there’s not much reason for Giants fans to worry about Cruz dancing in a different uniform.

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101 Responses to “John Mara: Cruz asking for too much money right now”
  1. JackAcid says: Feb 1, 2013 2:19 PM

    Cruz is good, but not Top 5. WRs are a dime a dozen in most cases.

  2. patriotsdefense says: Feb 1, 2013 2:21 PM

    Just Pay The Man

  3. transam7816 says: Feb 1, 2013 2:22 PM

    He prolly wants #1 receiver money even though he’s a #2, at best

  4. edithpiaf51 says: Feb 1, 2013 2:23 PM

    I just hope Cruz continues his salsa in a Giants uniform

  5. logicalvoicesays says: Feb 1, 2013 2:24 PM

    I guess the 36 million he stole from the Redskins went towards playing golf. Pierre Garçon is the best WR in the NFC Washington and the Redskins are the king of the division.

  6. ridingwithnohandlebars says: Feb 1, 2013 2:24 PM

    Why doesn’t he just give the Giants a special salary-cap award so that they can spend more on him?

  7. drush127 says: Feb 1, 2013 2:24 PM

    Just pay the guy already.

  8. nfl fan says: Feb 1, 2013 2:29 PM

    Last time I checked Mr. Mara, you didn’t have any problem asking the season ticket holders for more money and charging full price for the pre-season games, in fact, I believe you plan on raising prices again this year.

    “There’s a limit”, yes there is…

  9. pkstine0822 says: Feb 1, 2013 2:29 PM

    Maybe he can steal some more cap money from division competitors to help get it done.

  10. ravenmuscle says: Feb 1, 2013 2:33 PM

    Cruz is a third sring guy at best. Couldn’t even break the Ravens’ starting line-up

  11. jbl429 says: Feb 1, 2013 2:34 PM

    John Mara should just let Jerry Reese continue to be the GM and shut up about these things. I’m a Giants fan and all, but Mara is incredibly annoying.

  12. tcostant says: Feb 1, 2013 2:34 PM

    Pay the man, he made less than $2M for the last three years. Consider that.

  13. burgundyandgold says: Feb 1, 2013 2:34 PM

    As a Skins fan I hate the Giants and especially Mara. But Cruz seems like a good kid and I was very impressed with him with the Newtown stuff. I hope he gets his due.

  14. umainebearman says: Feb 1, 2013 2:35 PM

    Wow he finally has a highly skilled high class player and doesnt want to pay him? Makes you wonder how Desean Jackson got such money.

  15. parkerfly says: Feb 1, 2013 2:35 PM

    transam7816 says: Feb 1, 2013 2:22 PM

    He prolly wants #1 receiver money even though he’s a #2, at best
    ______________________________________

    He’s not a #2 at best, he’s a very solid #2. The question is whether or not he’s a #1. 2011′s numbers say yes (80+ catches, 1500+ yards). But 2012′s numbers look more like a great #2 (80+ catches, 1000+ yards).

  16. chawk12thman says: Feb 1, 2013 2:35 PM

    Negotiations in the press never end with all sides really liking each other. Hope Cruz doesn’t do any knee jerk response and comment to the press about how cheap the organization is being. His leaverage is that he is a good player and would be a #1 on many teams and will likely get a better offer that they have to meet. Just sit and wait and don’t say anything public.

  17. fonetiklee says: Feb 1, 2013 2:36 PM

    I can’t take this guy seriously, not since he cried like a little girl about Carlos Rogers doing his stupid dance.

  18. agentpyro says: Feb 1, 2013 2:38 PM

    “If you publicly discuss contract talks with a player, you’re gonna have a bad time.”

  19. dadeyemi says: Feb 1, 2013 2:38 PM

    I agree with transam7816.

    Victor Cruz, as great as he is, is a #2 reciever. He isn’t someone you want going one on one against the Revis’ and Richard Sherman’s of the league. The absolute ceiling that I would pay him is $8-8.5 million a year. Hakeem Nicks, when healthy, is a better receiver than Cruz and we have to pay him next year.

    logicalvoice, you think Garcon is the best receiver in the NFC East? Sorry buddy, he definitely aint better than Dez Bryant and probably not better than a healthy Nicks

  20. anhtactu says: Feb 1, 2013 2:47 PM

    49ers will give up 1st round pick 32 overall to sign the guy :D

  21. christopher525 says: Feb 1, 2013 2:49 PM

    You know what, let him go, we’re going to be moving players to make money in Carolina, if we can free it up, I’d be happy to have this playmaker on our roster.

  22. armchairqb says: Feb 1, 2013 2:52 PM

    Ridiculous. The guy needs to be paid. No Cruz, no SB 46 title. That simple. They owe him.

  23. fanofevilempire says: Feb 1, 2013 2:59 PM

    The Maras made a lot of owners/teams rich.
    They shared their NYC TV moneies.
    W.Mara convinced Many teams to hire Giant coaches who went on to win SB’s.
    When Skins fans read up on the Maras and
    see what they have done in building the league
    they would educate themselves on how to conduct football business and themselves.
    The Skins committed salary cap. violations and
    were held accountable!

    Please pay the Salsa man!

  24. davem23 says: Feb 1, 2013 2:59 PM

    Look out Mara needs money, I sense another cap penalty coming!

  25. nebster21 says: Feb 1, 2013 3:02 PM

    Sounds like Arizona needs to give them the whole poison pill treatment. That way Mara would make sure you could no longer do that.

  26. nebster21 says: Feb 1, 2013 3:03 PM

    Fanofevilempire. How do you commit salary cap ciolation when there is NO SALARY CAP?

  27. logicalvoicesays says: Feb 1, 2013 3:05 PM

    Fanofevilempire, get out of here with that. The Maras are snakes who lie to your face. Give me Dan Snyder everyday of the week. While he may not be the nicest guy at least you know firsthand what he’s about and will do anything to win FAIRLY.

  28. bigzant82 says: Feb 1, 2013 3:08 PM

    Giants dont be stupid pay the guy whats he’s owed if not theres nice lil Latin Market for him in Miami that salsa dance would go hand & hand in Florida”
    “not a dolphns fan but hey im just saying”

  29. pemory says: Feb 1, 2013 3:09 PM

    From NY originally. Not a fan of the G-Men, but a long-time observer and c’mon folks: this is the way the Giants do business. And, for the most part, it works. You all rise-up every couple of years and win another SB. So, don’t ask the Maras to pay Cruz huge money. Let him go to some struggling organization with an owner who likes to throw big money at players (i.e. Dallas), sit back, relax, and enjoy another title run in the near future (minus Cruz).

  30. xtb3 says: Feb 1, 2013 3:09 PM

    Another typical job by Mara-boy of nickeling and diming everyone except Manning and Coughlin. Oh and probably Snee too.

  31. dabears2485 says: Feb 1, 2013 3:09 PM

    I don’t see how anyone can say Cruz isn’t a #1 receiver. The guy plays both slot and outside, commands double-teams from the opposing secondary, puts up great stats, and makes big plays when needed. Yes, he had a bit if the drops this year. Second year as a starter, it happens. But he still put up top-end numbers, even throw manning sucked half of the year.

    And stop trying to sell Nicks. The guy can’t stay healthy. Period. He was ineffective most of the year, allowing opponents to double Cruz. He didn’t play well until late in the season when Manning stopped trying to force it to Cruz.

    Cruz has played at a top-5 level for two seasons. He earned his way from the practice squad, playing for cheap this year when he could have held out. If anyone deserves to get paid big-time money, it’s him.

  32. jetstizzi85 says: Feb 1, 2013 3:10 PM

    In 2 seasons, Cruz has caught 168 passes / 2628 yards / 19 TD’s. He def deserves to get paid!

  33. mossnvick says: Feb 1, 2013 3:11 PM

    pay him but hope he does not make the mistake and leave

  34. elvis2013 says: Feb 1, 2013 3:11 PM

    I’m not a fan of the Giants or Redskins. But I would find it absolutely hilarious if Dan Synder offered Cruz a wild and crazy contract just to repay Mara. You know what they say about karma. :)

  35. bobonmycob says: Feb 1, 2013 3:12 PM

    umainebearman says:Feb 1, 2013 2:35 PM

    Wow he finally has a highly skilled high class player and doesnt want to pay him? Makes you wonder how Desean Jackson got such money.

    Because DeSean Jackson is a #1 and a far better reciever. Don’t even try to compare the two because Cruz is a few levels below Jackson. Jackson is faster and his numbers are gold (yes he is skinny and may get injured but Cruz is no Calvin Johnson either).

  36. benh999 says: Feb 1, 2013 3:16 PM

    nfl fan says:
    Feb 1, 2013 2:29 PM
    Last time I checked Mr. Mara, you didn’t have any problem asking the season ticket holders for more money and charging full price for the pre-season games, in fact, I believe you plan on raising prices again this year.

    “There’s a limit”, yes there is…

    ==========

    It’s called a salary cap (and there is a floor too). Gate receipts have no impact on it whatsoever.

  37. cliffordc05 says: Feb 1, 2013 3:16 PM

    What a shock! The issue is money.

  38. christopher525 says: Feb 1, 2013 3:19 PM

    Could you picture him as a target for RG3?

  39. 1oldpro says: Feb 1, 2013 3:23 PM

    But John, have you seen that guy dance? I mean, he can dance! And John, have you noticed him dancing in the end zone….a lot!

  40. bigbluefan11 says: Feb 1, 2013 3:25 PM

    elvis2013 says: Feb 1, 2013 3:11 PM

    I’m not a fan of the Giants or Redskins. But I would find it absolutely hilarious if Dan Synder offered Cruz a wild and crazy contract just to repay Mara. You know what they say about karma. :)

    =================================================

    Don’t think Redskins can. No first round picks for the next 2 seasons as part of the Griffin trade.

  41. dukemarc says: Feb 1, 2013 3:25 PM

    logicalvoicesays says:
    Feb 1, 2013 2:24 PM
    I guess the 36 million he stole from the Redskins went towards playing golf. Pierre Garçon is the best WR in the NFC Washington and the Redskins are the king of the division.
    ———————

    Pierre Garcon wouldn’t even be the best #2 WR if he was in the NFC North.

  42. gallaghedj311 says: Feb 1, 2013 3:31 PM

    Victor Cruz seems too much like someone who is a product of playing with a QB names Manning. Everyone remembers when Roddy White was labeled a bust, right? That was when he played with Mike Vick. Well it works the other way around too. Brandon Stokeley do much without Peyton? Nope, didn’t think so. Maybe Mara’s intelligent enough to realize that he can plug in any WR into the offense and Eli makes them look better than they really are. Honestly, does anyone really think GB’s WR are as good as their numbers are? As an Eagles fan, I hope they overpay for his mediocre, product of a Manning QB, ass…

  43. dbones750 says: Feb 1, 2013 3:33 PM

    Pay him enough to keep him. Cruz dancing in a different color is a disgusting thought.

  44. nygdriveforfive says: Feb 1, 2013 3:38 PM

    Nicks is the better receiver and deserves to be paid first.

  45. skolvikesskol says: Feb 1, 2013 3:42 PM

    Lets see here… Vikings have the 23rd pick in round 1 and cap room. Done and Done. I mean really a first rounder from any team picking 20th or lower is a steal for a proven 4th yr WR with good character… The Gmen are probably just playing the negotiating game, but think about it. Here are the teams picking below 20:
    20. Chicago Bears (10-6)

    21. Cincinnati Bengals (10-6)

    22. St. Louis Rams (7-8-1) (trade with Washington Redskins)

    23. Minnesota Vikings (10-6)

    24. Indianapolis Colts (11-5)

    25. Seattle Seahawks (11-5)

    26. Green Bay Packers (11-5)

    27. Houston Texans (12-4)

    28. Denver Broncos (13-3)

    Then Pats, 49ers, Ravens, Falcons.

  46. nard100 says: Feb 1, 2013 3:48 PM

    I agree with transam7816.

    Victor Cruz, as great as he is, is a #2 reciever. He isn’t someone you want going one on one against the Revis’ and Richard Sherman’s of the league. The absolute ceiling that I would pay him is $8-8.5 million a year. Hakeem Nicks, when healthy, is a better receiver than Cruz and we have to pay him next year.

    logicalvoice, you think Garcon is the best receiver in the NFC East? Sorry buddy, he definitely aint better than Dez Bryant and probably not better than a healthy Nicks

    ———————————————

    You’re kidding right? Cruz is the “Jets Killer”, (Coach Ryans words not mine). Also, while I know it was pre-season, Cruz totally beat Revis in the annual pre-season game and Eli just missed him. I agree that he is a number 2, but don’t use the Jets as an example to prove it.

  47. iivil says: Feb 1, 2013 3:49 PM

    I love hearing the Redskins and Cowboys fans complain about the sanctions placed on them. I keep hearing “Mara did this..”, but people are forgetting that the other owners voted on it. If I remember correctly nearly (if not every) owner other then Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones voted to impose the sanctions.

    So, it’s all Mara’s fault right? He did it all on his own? Oh wait.. The Redskins and Cowboys did exactly what they were instructed not to do. They broke the rules they had in place and they paid for it. The fault lies with Jerry Jones and Danny Snyder. Nobody made them break the rules.

    Over the last two years Cruz has been one of the better receivers in football. You can’t really dispute that. You can make wild claims, but you can easily back his play up with stats. The guy puts up numbers and opposing defenders are constantly pointing out he’s the guy they need to shut down.

    Trying to compare Dez Bryant and Pierre Garcon to Victor Cruz is rediculous. While I admit that Dez Bryant *could* be a better receiver then Cruz if he actually cared and did his job correctly (like running the correct routes) he’s currently not.

    Victor Cruz:
    Catches per year (avg): 84
    Yards per year (avg): 1314
    TD’s per year (avg): 9.5
    Yards per catch (avg): 15.6

    Dez Bryant:
    Catches per year (avg): 66.6
    Yards per year (avg): 957
    TD’s per year (avg): 9
    Yards per catch (avg): 14.4

    Pierre Garcon:
    Catches per year (avg): 46.4
    Yards per year (avg): 630.4
    TD’s per year (avg): 4
    Yards per catch (avg): 13.6

    Anyone who says that Cruz isn’t a GREAT #2 receiver has no idea what they’re even talking about. The Giants had a horrible running game most of the season, David Deihl may has well have been a matador on the right side, Nicks was injured and not carrying his weight, and Cruz still had a very solid season.

    Stop making outlandish statements about how Pierre Garcon is the best receiver in the NFC East. You’re just making yourself look bad.

  48. schmitty2 says: Feb 1, 2013 3:50 PM

    logicalvoicesays says:Feb 1, 2013 2:24 PM

    I guess the 36 million he stole from the Redskins went towards playing golf. Pierre Garçon is the best WR in the NFC Washington and the Redskins are the king of the division.

    ravenmuscle says:Feb 1, 2013 2:33 PM

    Cruz is a third sring guy at best. Couldn’t even break the Ravens’ starting line-up

    And this ladies and gentleman is delusional talk of epic proportions

  49. njgiant81 says: Feb 1, 2013 3:51 PM

    Victor Cruz is awesome but let’s be honest, Eli makes the guys around him better. I freaked out when they let Kevin Boss and Steve Smith go. How are those guys doing now?

  50. bluereign says: Feb 1, 2013 3:53 PM

    Sigh, it’s sad how little many of you know about the Giants. Nicks is the best receiver on the team, hands down. He can’t stay healthy? This was the first year where he missed significant time. Jerry Reese is one of the best GMs in the league and I’m sure he will figure this situation out. Everyone went nuts when he let Steve Smith walk, and look where he is now. Reese knows what the Giants truly have, we don’t. I do believe they’ll pay Cruz, but this is just NEGOTIATING. That’s how contract talks work.
    Oh and to you idiots who are complaining about the salary cap: it’s called a gentlemen’s agreement. TECHNICALLY the Skins and Boys did nothing wrong, but they were the only two teams who broke the gentlemen’s agreement, which isn’t much of a surprise from the Cowboys being the classless bunch they are, and Dan Snyder is too arrogant for his own good. The Maras helped build the NFL, there is no reason to bash them because YOUR TEAM didn’t have enough class to honor an agreement amongst men. They proceeded to fret penalized after a MAJORITY OF THE LEAGUE agreed to it.

  51. rugdaniels says: Feb 1, 2013 3:59 PM

    ravenmuscle says:
    Feb 1, 2013 2:33 PM
    Cruz is a third sring guy at best. Couldn’t even break the Ravens’ starting line-up

    … Exactly!
    TEAM RECYDS AVG TD
    Victor Cruz, WR NYG 86 1,092 12.7 10
    Anquan Boldin, WR BAL 65 921 14.2 4
    Torrey Smith, WR BAL 49 855 17.4 8

    Other than catches, yards, and touchdowns the Baltimore receivers are way better!

  52. harrisonhits2 says: Feb 1, 2013 4:00 PM

    Wouldn’t mind seeing him in a Pats uni but no way they can pay or tag Welker enough and pay Cruz what he’s going to want.

  53. edithpiaf51 says: Feb 1, 2013 4:00 PM

    njgiant81 says: Feb 1, 2013 3:51 PM

    Victor Cruz is awesome but let’s be honest, Eli makes the guys around him better. I freaked out when they let Kevin Boss and Steve Smith go. How are those guys doing now?

    I totally agree with you that Eli Manning maes the guys around him better. He is the best. I noticed your user id njgiants81, except for the j for jersey, i liked the 81, that was the year a little Eli came to bless the world.

  54. bartlettruss says: Feb 1, 2013 4:01 PM

    The Giants don’t need to lose Cruz. Nicks has been less than fully available with his health problems. Manningham is gone. Cruz isn’t perfect, but he’s very good in the slot. He’s made a lot of clutch catches. He’s dropped some, but so has Welker. Cruz is going to miss some because he’s targeted a lot.

    I know there’s a limit to what the Giants will pay anyone, but they’d be wise to try to get this thing done. If they don’t then Cruz should move on. His popularity puts people in seats. That’s not an issue for the Giants, but it’s an issue in a lot of other cities.

  55. goldrush36 says: Feb 1, 2013 4:06 PM

    Kaepernick: Hey coach can I talk to you?
    Harbaugh: What’s on your mind son?
    Kaepernick: Got a great way to get one over on the Giants…
    Harbaugh: I’m listening…
    Kaepernick: Give up that 32nd pick and sign Victor Cruz
    Harbaugh: I feel we have a strong enough core Colin don’t you?
    Kaepernick: Well yeah but Randy isn’t what he used to be and frankly sir AJ absolutely sucks. Please coach get me someone I can work with long term aside from Crabs and Vernon

  56. davikes says: Feb 1, 2013 4:09 PM

    Cruz has proven to be a very good receiver, a great teammate, and a great member of the community. He has showed a great deal of maturity and class regarding his contract, and a has refused to negotiate through the media. So many teams would like to have him be their number two.

    And the first thing Mara does is negotiate through the media. What a putz.

  57. larry321 says: Feb 1, 2013 4:11 PM

    Typical Jets clown franchise owner too cheap too pay. Oh, it’s the Giants? Never mind.

  58. nfl fan says: Feb 1, 2013 4:12 PM

    benh999 says:
    Feb 1, 2013 3:16 PM
    nfl fan says:
    Feb 1, 2013 2:29 PM
    Last time I checked Mr. Mara, you didn’t have any problem asking the season ticket holders for more money and charging full price for the pre-season games, in fact, I believe you plan on raising prices again this year.

    “There’s a limit”, yes there is…
    ==========
    It’s called a salary cap (and there is a floor too). Gate receipts have no impact on it whatsoever.
    ==========
    YOU MUST BE AN EAGLES FAN so I’ll explain it to you. My comment had nothing to do with the salary cap, only that he doesn’t hesitate to ask more for himself by raising ticket prices, parking, charging full price for meaningless pre-season games, $10 beers, $9 hot dogs & $5 waters. At some point, it just isn’t worth it even when you have the money to attend.
    Signed,
    Long-time Giants Fan and Season Ticket Holder
    (Sec 117)

  59. eastcoastninerfan says: Feb 1, 2013 4:17 PM

    anhtactu says:
    Feb 1, 2013 2:47 PM
    49ers will give up 1st round pick 32 overall to sign the guy

    • • • • • • • •

    I don’t think the Niners would (they didn’t with Wallace last year and instead when after Manningham and then used that #1 on Jenkins), but I don’t believe that’s the point you were making :)

    #QuestForSix

  60. DonRSD says: Feb 1, 2013 4:18 PM

    Whatever Cruz makes, Nicks deserves that much and more!

    Nicks is the real WR on the Giants.
    How much are you supposed to spend to keep 2 WR’s?
    I say pay nicks 9 mill a season. Crus gets 6.5-7 mill a season.
    Sign both for 5 years or however long Eli’s contract is for.

    GO BIG BLUE!!!

  61. zaggs says: Feb 1, 2013 4:21 PM

    Thing is, he wasn’t breaking tackles and busting off 90 yard runs like last year. Also for however great he can be with the ball, he has to come down with it first. Too many drops.

  62. hail74 says: Feb 1, 2013 4:25 PM

    To the giants fans who don’t see why skins fans disagree with cap penalty. Teams constantly restructure contracts to free up space and thats all the skins did. The league approved those changes. Then 2 years later on the eve of free agency we get hit with penalty thanks to a back alley deal with the union who regrets signing off on it. The argument wasn’t cap violation as there was no cap but rather competitive balance. However, many teams unders pent to have a lot of cap room the next year and that was ok. But most of all, it was mara crying that we should be thankful for not losing draft picks as well.

  63. goldrush36 says: Feb 1, 2013 4:26 PM

    eastcoastninerfan says: Feb 1, 2013 4:17 PM

    anhtactu says:
    Feb 1, 2013 2:47 PM
    49ers will give up 1st round pick 32 overall to sign the guy

    • • • • • • • •

    I don’t think the Niners would (they didn’t with Wallace last year and instead when after Manningham and then used that #1 on Jenkins), but I don’t believe that’s the point you were making :)

    #QuestForSix
    ___________________________________

    Yeah but they looked into it and then found out he wanted Fitzgerald money and they walked away laughing. Wallace in turn was a shell of his usual self this year. So I would say the Niners used fantastic judgement there

  64. larrydavid7000 says: Feb 1, 2013 4:27 PM

    @ iivil hey moron Pierre played about 10 games at best this year so you to compare him to that midget wr is totally stupid do your research before you open your mouth fool.!!!!!!

  65. bigbluenoser says: Feb 1, 2013 4:30 PM

    Cruz has been a steal the last 2 seasons and hasn’t said boo. Just pay him fair market value and don’t destroy the relationship between Cruz and the giants.

  66. blitzinc43 says: Feb 1, 2013 4:31 PM

    Hey its the off-season…

    Who’s to judge if Victor Cruz wants to hits the Booze.

    Desean Jackson has been smoking the reefer ever since the ribs got bruised.

  67. pkstine0822 says: Feb 1, 2013 4:37 PM

    It’s funny seeing all of these Giants fans on here saying the Redskins and Cowboys “broke rules” and it is all okay because the other owners voted “yes”.

    Here are a few reasons why no rules were broken.
    1) It was an uncapped year!!!! How can you have salary cap violations in an uncapped year?

    2) The deals in question were ALL APPROVED by the NFL.

    3) Why the other owners voted yes (except one)? It flat out helped their teams. They each received over 1.2 mil in additional cap space while two of the biggest bidders were now being penalized for not breaking any rules. The team that didn’t even vote was Tampa because they didn’t spend anything in the uncapped year so they would have gotten caught with their hand in the cookie jar so they just stayed out of it.

    Mara and Goodell are riding in the same boat together and what John wants John gets.

  68. benh999 says: Feb 1, 2013 4:46 PM

    nfl fan says:
    Feb 1, 2013 4:12 PM
    benh999 says:
    Feb 1, 2013 3:16 PM
    nfl fan says:
    Feb 1, 2013 2:29 PM
    Last time I checked Mr. Mara, you didn’t have any problem asking the season ticket holders for more money and charging full price for the pre-season games, in fact, I believe you plan on raising prices again this year.

    “There’s a limit”, yes there is…
    ==========
    It’s called a salary cap (and there is a floor too). Gate receipts have no impact on it whatsoever.
    ==========
    YOU MUST BE AN EAGLES FAN so I’ll explain it to you. My comment had nothing to do with the salary cap, only that he doesn’t hesitate to ask more for himself by raising ticket prices, parking, charging full price for meaningless pre-season games, $10 beers, $9 hot dogs & $5 waters. At some point, it just isn’t worth it even when you have the money to attend.
    Signed,
    Long-time Giants Fan and Season Ticket Holder
    (Sec 117)

    ==========

    So, $9 hot dogs means Cruz should be extended with a top-tier WR contract, rather than an RFA tender? Brilliant logic. Do you actually want them to have more cap room to sign more talent?

  69. baddegg says: Feb 1, 2013 4:46 PM

    Now we know why Mara docked the Redskins 36 million…harder for Dan Snyder to make an offer to Cruz.

    bleh

  70. norrinradd12 says: Feb 1, 2013 4:53 PM

    Giants have no leverage here. Cruz is worth a #1 and is not under obligation to play under the tender anyway. He doesn’t have to report and cannot be fined.

  71. Mr. Wright 212 says: Feb 1, 2013 4:55 PM

    Cruz is going nowhere. Just won’t get the big payday this year.

    Once the rest of the big ticket guys can restructure again after 2013, they’ll have the cap space to extend him.

    With regards to Dallas and Washington getting caught trying to overload contracts to artificially suppress cap figures and sneak in payments in the uncapped year, not only is it smarmy practice, they were warned to NOT do it, and did it anyway. Fans of both teams and Giants haters who love to trot out that tired line need to accept facts and realize that not only did Mara not unilaterally make up some arbitrary rule, but the rest of the owners saw that these rogue owners’ actions were reprehensible, which led to the vote to enact the subsequent sanctions.

  72. cappa662 says: Feb 1, 2013 4:56 PM

    Cruz to the Vikings makes perfect sense to me.

  73. trollaikman8 says: Feb 1, 2013 5:00 PM

    He’s a solid #2….don’t make the mistake Dallas made and throw him Miles Austin money (another #2).
    Eli Manning has proven that he can produce with almost anybody.

  74. bigbluefan1 says: Feb 1, 2013 5:04 PM

    And also lets not forget Victor makes tons of money because he plays for the giants what kinds of ads could he make if he were out in one of the fly over states?

  75. wferg1121 says: Feb 1, 2013 5:04 PM

    I agree with an earlier compliment about the Mara’s.. All these people forget the NFL share’s revenue with teams in smaller markets, and the players union.. I find it ironic that people are calling the Giants greedy, considering they fought for revenue sharing when they easily could be the Yankees of football, that argument is stupid. I agree collusion took place, but it also took place with the players to prevent a lock out. Everyone knew that the players were still a union despite them saying they were not. Obviously after the events unfolded, Washington/Dallas went back on an agreement that was in place with ALL the owners. Quit pretending it was only the Giants, it was everyone except Raiders(didn’t vote), Washington and Dallas.

    There was a lot of Teams that wished they could dump a Haynesworth contract and put all of Miles Austin Salary in 1 year, but maybe those teams couldn’t aford it because they don’t have the revenue like a Cowboys or Washington. We all know the Giants have the revenue.

  76. buttfumblesports says: Feb 1, 2013 5:21 PM

    In response to other 9ers fans I would completely be for the 9ers giving their first rounder to the Giants to sign Cruz. I would actually be more for that than trading for Revis.

    I have liked what Cruz brought to the table for a team since I first saw him play in the pre-season his rookie season. And that season he didn’t do it with Eli throwing the ball he did that with the third string QB throwing to him so the kid can def ball.

    If I am Baalke I’d try to sign Cruz in a heartbeat and part with the 32/31 pick and not bat an eye. A WR corps of Crabtree and Cruz with Davis at TE is deadly enough. Then factor in next year and however long after that having Gore at RB? 9ers offense would be nasty. Completely worth the pick.

  77. buttfumblesports says: Feb 1, 2013 5:23 PM

    As for the Giants end of this two things to keep in mind.

    The money from Washington and Dallas only increased the cap by 1.2 million per team.

    Secondly situations like this is the cost of having a GM who drafts well. At some point you have to say goodbye to talented players if you have a player pool on your team that well. You can’t pay everybody what they want.

  78. kev86 says: Feb 1, 2013 5:24 PM

    Mr. Mara is a great owner. His father Wellington would be proud. Go Giants.

  79. andylucksneck says: Feb 1, 2013 5:34 PM

    Just take more money from other franchises you crook.

  80. gammynomnom says: Feb 1, 2013 5:53 PM

    Mara and Cruz. Is there any way possible both of these guys could fall into a bottomless pit?

  81. hail74 says: Feb 1, 2013 6:16 PM

    Restructuring contracts by front loading bonus money is neither smarmy or sneaky as teams are allowed to do so provided they don’t go over the cap. Bruce allen already said they did this while he was in tampa. Other owners didnt do it because your basically spending money now to spend more later. Just how many owners want to spend as much as is allowed? There is a reason why the union fought for a cap floor.

  82. sportsnut101 says: Feb 1, 2013 6:23 PM

    If he gets to be restricted free agent. Half the league would make offer. I would trade a first rd pick real fast

    5yr 40 mill n front load it so giants can’t match.

  83. zack2482 says: Feb 1, 2013 6:33 PM

    bluereign says: Feb 1, 2013 3:53 PM

    Dude, your an idiot. Gentleman’s agreement, more like collusion. And why wouldn’t the rest of the teams not accept MORE MONEY in their cap?

    Why is the cap going to be flat this year? Last year it was going to be less until Mara stepped in to make a competitive advantage for his Giants. How about the timing? Coincidence that it happened the night before free agency. Yeah right.

    Loved how karma came back and smacked the Giants in the opener when Dallas laid the smack down on them.

    I wouldn’t associate honor with Mara and his cheating ways.

  84. EJ says: Feb 1, 2013 7:15 PM

    Eli Manning, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan and Tom Brady are all QB’s that can make a star Receiver out of pretty much anyone. If you look at the Receivers that have played for or do play for these QB’s now, they are all pretty much at the top of the stat sheet for their respected positions, including TE’s. Therefore, these teams do not need to pay top dollar to their Receivers and Tight Ends. Because if they lose one top Receiver, they’ll make a new one out of the next guy that comes along. Dime a dozen.

  85. zack2482 says: Feb 1, 2013 7:55 PM

    Eli making receivers look better? Lol. How many times have his receivers bailed out Eli? I have never seen a QB get away with more chucks and ducks than him.

  86. woodrree7 says: Feb 1, 2013 8:05 PM

    Talk about over rated!! he had one good year and one average year for a #1 receiver. He doesnt deserve BIG money. he isn’t THAT good! Hell, he shouldnt have even made the pro bowl

  87. dlmcc1010 says: Feb 1, 2013 8:23 PM

    Hes not overrated but hes not a top 10 WR. He fits perfectly in that offense along with Nicks. I dont know what hes asking for but you usually aim high at first I would assume. I think both sides realize that it makes sense to get a deal done

  88. kev86 says: Feb 1, 2013 8:44 PM

    Fans salivating over wanting to pay through the nose for Cruz and fork over their #1 pick is funny.

  89. jameyjame says: Feb 1, 2013 9:21 PM

    it’s amazing how many truly clueless NFL fans are on display in this forum,,if you don’t think Cruz is top 10…check out his first 2 year totals compared to the current top WR’s and all time greats and get back to me.

  90. bkostela says: Feb 1, 2013 10:03 PM

    zack2482 says:
    Feb 1, 2013 7:55 PM
    Eli making receivers look better? Lol. How many times have his receivers bailed out Eli? I have never seen a QB get away with more chucks and ducks than him.
    ___________________

    how did steve smith do once he left the giants? he’s had great seasons with the eagles and rams right? no? how about plaxico? surely he’s made an impact since he left the giants. what – no one will even sign him? but he was great with eli… hmm mario manningham was a star with the giants and a big name free agent. he must have had a huge impact wherever he went. right? oh i know… david ty… oh right he has never played another snap at receiver in the nfl since leaving the giants.

  91. newyorkfootballjets says: Feb 1, 2013 10:21 PM

    Slot receiver at best. manning has made every tight end look great, then they leave for more money and fail miserably. Same went for manningham. Nicks All day !!

  92. phillyphannn83 says: Feb 1, 2013 10:32 PM

    logicalvoicesays February 1, 2013, 3:05 PM EST

    Fanofevilempire, get out of here with that. The Maras are snakes who lie to your face. Give me Dan Snyder everyday of the week. While he may not be the nicest guy at least you know firsthand what he’s about and will do anything to win FAIRLY.
    ————————————
    I was really looking forward to destroying this comment; making fun of it by pointing put its inaccuracy, bias, and the fact that ever since Snyder bought the team, he’s been the laughing stock of the NFL and his own fans have been calling for his job. But alas, I scrolled up to see who wrote it and its pointless. The voice of illogical thinking took this opportunity from me, as it will surely fall on the ears of one ill-equipped to process the facts. What a waste.

    BTW, I am beyond words to describe my disappointment that this joker has rubbed of on one of my fellow Eagles fans using the name logicalvoicesays(if its not him posing as an Eagles fan). These two jokers are an embarrassment to their respective fan bases and absolutely nothing logical but fanboy, biased, nonsense.

  93. chi01town says: Feb 1, 2013 11:53 PM

    I wouldnt mind seeing Chicago OVER PAY for Cruz. CHICAGO SALSA
    sounds good to me.

  94. macwomack says: Feb 2, 2013 2:28 AM

    bluereign says:Feb 1, 2013 3:53 PM

    Oh and to you idiots who are complaining about the salary cap: it’s called a gentlemen’s agreement..

    ——
    hey blue balls – or whatever your name is — why wasn’t the “gentlemen’s agreement” enforced when the contracts were signed – why were the contracts approved if they violated the “gentlemen’s agreement”?

    You throw that term around (“gentlemen’s agreement) like it obsolves the NFL owners of collusion or wrong doing.

    Let me put it in terms New Yorkers might be able to understand. When all those gas stations gouged customers after the hurricane — they did nothing wrong — they had a “gentlemen’s agreement” to all raise prices simultaneously. Funny though how you all complain about this simple “gentlemen’s agreement”.

  95. macwomack says: Feb 2, 2013 2:32 AM

    wferg1121 says:Feb 1, 2013 5:04 PM

    I find it ironic that people are calling the Giants greedy, considering they fought for revenue sharing when they easily could be the Yankees of football, that argument is stupid…

    ————-
    Dude you seem unaware that the “Yankees” of football have traditionally been the Redskins. Go look at the historic valuation of major sports franchises and tell me how the Giants become the “Yankees” of football? Cowboys, Redskins, Patriots all have had higher valuations, cashflow, and profit margin.

  96. bigwayne75 says: Feb 2, 2013 4:29 AM

    larrydavid7000 says: Feb 1, 2013 4:27 PM

    @ iivil hey moron Pierre played about 10 games at best this year so you to compare him to that midget wr is totally stupid do your research before you open your mouth fool.!!!!!!
    —————————————————————
    If you put Cruz stats up against any of Garcon’s stats, Cruz stats are still better.

    Cruz is great 2nd string WR, could be a number one on a lot of teams. Every time I seen him play, he always embarrassing the other teams’ 1st string CB.

    As for calling him a midget, he’s 6’0″ same height as Garcon. You are one ignorant person, that word is offensive to some people. I bet you are one of them people who uses racist comments all the time. Mommy and Daddy must of not taught you right.

    Do some research before opening your mouth, next time you won’t look so clueless.

  97. jerryyouradisgrace says: Feb 2, 2013 6:18 AM

    when dez pulls his pants up, takes off his bling and actually pays attention to the game he is twice the receiver cruz is

    he just starting to be the receiver we all know he could be

    no comparison

  98. undraftedstar says: Feb 2, 2013 6:24 AM

    As a Redskins fan, I would love if the Jets offer him a huge contract..HTTR

  99. pologroundsvet says: Feb 2, 2013 7:57 AM

    Tough spot here for everyone. Cruz may be the #1 fan favorite and the Giants may face a huge backlash if fans think they are not treating Cruz right. A public relations nightmare. But cap reality is cap reality and they do have to put a whole team on the field that can compete for all 16 games. They would both be better off negotiating in private, however. Comments to the public like “Cruz is asking for too much money right now” only escalate matters, inflame opinions, and solve nothing.

  100. gonavybeatarmy says: Feb 2, 2013 8:58 AM

    Mara,

    You great man who worked so hard to buy (inherit) the team in which you have 50 percent ownership. Why don’t you and your son who prefers Broadway Musicals to Football just issue a substantial salary cap penalty to two of your division opponents for refusing to break federal anti-trust laws? Then, with full support of the leader of the NFLPA (who will later sue the NFL for his own incompetence), you can take the Giants pro-rata share of the penalty to extend that obnoxious salsa-dancing freak who said in November that the Redskins are a few players away from being a division contender right before the Skins beat NY and won the division.

  101. paulsmith107 says: Feb 2, 2013 10:09 AM

    Top ten wr is actually laughable. In his own division dez Bryant was way better than him. Now there is Vincent Jackson better Julio jones and roddy white better colston better in the north megatron Jennings and Marshall all better Steve smith in his advanced age is better out west Fitzgerald is better and Crabtree was about the same now afc Wes welker better Stevie Johnson about the same santonio Holmes about the same Andre Johnson aj green any of the Pitt wideouts Wayne Cecil shorts with no qb was about the same d Thomas and decker or Denver better boldin Torrey smith Dwayne bowe is better josh Gordon of Cleveland is on his way to being better so again these are all guys who are better or just about the same so please tell me how he is a top 5 or 10 wideout lol

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