Comments on: Brees sees 2013 as a new era for the Saints http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/brees-sees-2013-as-a-new-era-for-the-saints/ ProFootballTalk on NBCSports.com Sun, 19 May 2013 17:05:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Aaron http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/brees-sees-2013-as-a-new-era-for-the-saints/#comment-2312676 Sun, 03 Feb 2013 07:18:41 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701601#comment-2312676 tokyosandblaster says:
Feb 2, 2013 10:18 PM
Gee, imagine that, an anti saints stance on a saints article gets thumbs down!

Haterade is a term used by people who know they have lost an argument.

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Spoken like someone who doesn’t have an actual argument.

]]> By: tokyosandblaster http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/brees-sees-2013-as-a-new-era-for-the-saints/#comment-2312510 Sun, 03 Feb 2013 03:18:51 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701601#comment-2312510 Gee, imagine that, an anti saints stance on a saints article gets thumbs down!

Haterade is a term used by people who know they have lost an argument.

]]> By: vegasvinnie http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/brees-sees-2013-as-a-new-era-for-the-saints/#comment-2311937 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 23:18:06 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701601#comment-2311937 cags777 says:
Feb 2, 2013 1:08 PM
vegasvinnie – with your explanation and subsequent defense of the Saints, one could easily argue that Roger Goodell was hell-bent to destroy each franchise in the NFL. Yes, that hit on Warner was cheap and malicious. No one is going to be able to argue with me on that, along with those late hits on Favre. Also, players aren’t going to come to Goodell’s defense because they all hate him. Otherwise, you can bet they all have their own plans to lay out Brees, Vilma, and Smith in 2013 – no matter which team they are on. Finally to your point about producing less than one percent of evidence, you are forgetting that that NFL proved there was a bounty program in place and that the players were guilty of going along with the coaches orders and that their bosses (Payton and Loomis) failed to stop it after being warned to knock it off. The only thing Goodell didn’t do was name the correct players (two of whom are former Vikings players), which resulted in former NFL Commissioner Paul Tagliabue vacating all player suspensions. For your sake and everyone else, I suggest staying away from Bourbon Street.
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So, the hit on Warner was cheap and malicious, was it? Exactly what was wrong with it? See if you can HONESTLY answer yes to any of the following questions:
Was Warner hit from behind?
Did McCray go after his head or his knees?
Did McCray lead with his head?
Was Warner hit after the play was over?
Was McCray flagged on the play?
Did Ken Wisenhut, Kurt Warner or any of the Cardinals accuse the Saints of playing dirty and try to exact revenge on Brees or any of the Saints?

3 up and 20 down indicates that plenty of people would argue with you…and they’d be right!

Opponents had plenty of chances to target Vilma, Smith and especially Brees this past season. Funny how none of that came to pass. Obviously, they know more than you do, not that it’s saying much.

So, what does it say for Goodell and the NFL’s investigation if they can’t even name the right accused players involved? Hell, one piece of evidence focused on Scott Fujita and his actions with the Saints during the 2010 season. Forget the fact that Fujita left the Saints after Super Bowl 44 and played with the Browns in 2010. You can’t make this stuff up.

Keep drinking the haterade :)

]]> By: Aaron http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/brees-sees-2013-as-a-new-era-for-the-saints/#comment-2311876 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 23:03:03 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701601#comment-2311876 At this point, anyone who still thinks there was a pay to injure program in place just hates the Saints and is deliberately keeping their head in the sand. This was a black eye for the NFL front office.

]]> By: coltzfan166 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/brees-sees-2013-as-a-new-era-for-the-saints/#comment-2311772 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 21:56:14 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701601#comment-2311772 @ kattykathy

Oh really? Well then why hasn’t Goodell done the same thing to the Patriots or Giants?

And also, if there never was a bounty system, why didn’t Sean Payton and Gregg Williams just deny it from the beginning when all this first broke out?

]]> By: coltzfan166 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/brees-sees-2013-as-a-new-era-for-the-saints/#comment-2311770 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 21:50:26 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701601#comment-2311770 New era? Are they going to finally shut up or something?

]]> By: boobsmcgoo http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/brees-sees-2013-as-a-new-era-for-the-saints/#comment-2311750 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 21:35:35 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701601#comment-2311750 countduku says:
Feb 2, 2013 9:44 AM
every team but 1 will feel that way Drew. The new era begins when your team admits it’s mistakes that we all know about already, and that you guys can put that behind you with peace of mind, otherwise the monkey stays on your back.

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Saints don’t have to admit anything. They paid the price, whether they agreed they agreed with the sanctions or not.

Also, reasonable Saints fans disagree with the severity of the penalties. They do not think Goodel torpedoed the Saints for some conspiratorial reason.

]]> By: atwatercrushesokoye http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/brees-sees-2013-as-a-new-era-for-the-saints/#comment-2311670 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 20:23:29 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701601#comment-2311670 Larryjames: the 2012 Saints had one of, if not the, worst defenses in the history of organized football. Sean Payton (and his 1 trophy) wouldn’t have been able to fix that midsession. Especially when you realize the Saints defense was just as much about not having much talent on defense asit was abut coaching, it’ll take a. Coaching change and acquiring better players to do that…but at least the Saints are doing that by switching to a scheme they don’t have the parts for!

And can we quit talking about the Saints Super Bowl “runs” already? You’ve played in ONE! The Steelers have won as many Super Bowls as you have playoff games in your history! 6 playoff wins in 6 decades played in IS NOT an impressive feat!

]]> By: ilovefoolsball http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/brees-sees-2013-as-a-new-era-for-the-saints/#comment-2311606 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 19:37:27 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701601#comment-2311606 any comment from a viking fan on a saints thread should be read through the eyes of a third grader for it’s child-lie quality.

]]> By: flipola http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/brees-sees-2013-as-a-new-era-for-the-saints/#comment-2311604 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 19:35:52 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701601#comment-2311604 Just general BS to hype the fans.

Moss isn’t happy in SF? They’re in the Super Bowl! Team sport? Yeah, right… He’s unhappy with his role, but he needs to accept that he doesn’t have much left, and wouldn’t be the top target anywhere. Expect maybe Miami.

]]> By: purpleguy http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/brees-sees-2013-as-a-new-era-for-the-saints/#comment-2311569 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 19:10:33 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701601#comment-2311569 Just got back from the hospital after falling out of my chair after reading Tokyo’s post containing the words “Vikings”, “fans” and “agree”. Now excuse me while I go look for some aspirin.

]]> By: larryjames836 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/brees-sees-2013-as-a-new-era-for-the-saints/#comment-2311565 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 19:08:38 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701601#comment-2311565 KattyKathy; are right Roger Goodell looked at the last 3 playoffs run New Orleans Saints had in a row. Yes Roger Goodell shut the New Orleans Saints down with a makeup bounty scandal that didn’t have enough evidences to convict the organization. Roger Goodell had to knockout the Saints in the 2012 season, all because the super bowl was in New Orleans with the Saints playing in the Super Bowl wouldn’t have brought in the money the NFL were looking far. Its all about the money, Roger Goodell knew that Sean Payton in 2012 would have put the New Orleans Saints the Super Bowl believe it or not. Sean Payton is the best head coach in the NFL, so yes the New Orleans Saints were knockout for the money by the NFL the NFL has clicks just like the mob. Learn more about the NFL its about the money nothing else players safety is last on their roster.

]]> By: tokyosandblaster http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/brees-sees-2013-as-a-new-era-for-the-saints/#comment-2311477 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 18:18:12 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701601#comment-2311477 As much as I hate the Vikings and their fans, I wholeheartedly agree with cags on this.

There were admissions of guilt. The saints had a bounty program. The end.

]]> By: cags777 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/brees-sees-2013-as-a-new-era-for-the-saints/#comment-2311464 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 18:08:50 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701601#comment-2311464 vegasvinnie – with your explanation and subsequent defense of the Saints, one could easily argue that Roger Goodell was hell-bent to destroy each franchise in the NFL. Yes, that hit on Warner was cheap and malicious. No one is going to be able to argue with me on that, along with those late hits on Favre. Also, players aren’t going to come to Goodell’s defense because they all hate him. Otherwise, you can bet they all have their own plans to lay out Brees, Vilma, and Smith in 2013 – no matter which team they are on. Finally to your point about producing less than one percent of evidence, you are forgetting that that NFL proved there was a bounty program in place and that the players were guilty of going along with the coaches orders and that their bosses (Payton and Loomis) failed to stop it after being warned to knock it off. The only thing Goodell didn’t do was name the correct players (two of whom are former Vikings players), which resulted in former NFL Commissioner Paul Tagliabue vacating all player suspensions. For your sake and everyone else, I suggest staying away from Bourbon Street.

]]> By: tokyosandblaster http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/brees-sees-2013-as-a-new-era-for-the-saints/#comment-2311445 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 17:56:47 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701601#comment-2311445 Hey look!
KattyTHEIDIOTkathy is back.

Man, now I know why so many women go I married. I thought fat people were supposed to be jolly.

]]> By: geofferystevens http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/brees-sees-2013-as-a-new-era-for-the-saints/#comment-2311429 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 17:48:48 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701601#comment-2311429 pauli.
Not cool about male pattern baldness. That is some serious stuff. He could get tat on his cheek to cover up that mole. One like Tyson has would be great.

]]> By: vegasvinnie http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/brees-sees-2013-as-a-new-era-for-the-saints/#comment-2311254 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 16:28:05 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701601#comment-2311254 cags777 says:
Feb 2, 2013 10:35 AM
kattykathy: Goodell wanted to destroy the Saints? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Goodell was in charge of making sure the Saints got all the positive PR coverage post-Katrina. It was the refs (with Goodell watching) that overlooked cheap, malicious hits on Favre and Warner in the playoffs. It was the refs (again with Goodell watching) who allowed bad and questionable calls against opposing teams to stand. It was Goodell who also continued the post-Katrina PR heading into the Super Bowl and then the following season. Stop attempting to revise history. The reason I am hating is because the Saints milked this tragedy, broke the rules, lied about it, and then played the victim card. It was like watching a crooked politician play the victim card after getting his or her hand in the cookie jar again and again. Besides, Saints players had it coming this season the the “us against the world” mentality and they failed miserably. Teams know what they did and you can bet they’ll be going after every Saints player that takes the field. You reap what you sow.

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I don’t for a minute think that Goodell purposely torpedoed the Saints season. However, ripping a fan over Goodell while you whine about noncalls from a game 3 years ago makes you look just as foolish. On that note however, exactly what was the cheap shot on Warner? Are you talking about the McCray hit that Warner himself said was legal? Keep reaching, you’re coming up with nothing here.

So, the Saints lied, did they? Let’s review, shall we? Who said that they had upwards of 50,000 pages of evidence, yet produced less than 1% of it? Flawed, easily debunked evidence, no less. Who stated that upwards of 20 – 22 players were involved, yet named only 4? Who publicly called out Jonathan Vilma and was sapped down in court? Who had his predecessor come in and basically say that there was a lack of evidence and that he horribly bungled the investigation and the punishments? Who produced a video where they couldn’t even decide who said what on it?

You can’t answer The Saints to any of the above questions, can you? I didn’t think so.

So, if other teams and players “know what the Saints did” why haven’t any of THEM spoken out?

You seem to be far better at asking questions than providing answers. You should work for Goodell.

]]> By: kattykathy http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/brees-sees-2013-as-a-new-era-for-the-saints/#comment-2311249 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 16:23:18 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701601#comment-2311249 Go to the hospital if you are sick. Stop whining about it. Bye Bye

]]> By: spicymudbugs http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/brees-sees-2013-as-a-new-era-for-the-saints/#comment-2311244 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 16:18:54 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701601#comment-2311244 All the fans of loser teams hate the successful teams. The Saints will be back to winning 10 plus games every year and making a run at the Super Bowl starting in 2013. Just get over it and this bounty thing was just a chance for King Rog to show his ‘concern’ for player safety.
Nothing more but the slurpers sure gobbled it all up

]]> By: countduku http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/brees-sees-2013-as-a-new-era-for-the-saints/#comment-2311235 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 16:10:16 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701601#comment-2311235 I’m so sick of all the people who say that Godell had it out for the Saints and that he didn’t want to see them succeed. That’s like saying after you get a DUI, that the police department “had it out for you, and didn’t want you to succeed in life”. Quit your crying already. Admitting your failures and moving on is the first step to a word which most of your players have none of (INTEGRETY). I Bet Godell also had it out for you when he personally donated money and gave the City and team unpresedented support to your city after Katrina. You Saint fans are starting to make me sick.

]]> By: goodellsadouche http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/brees-sees-2013-as-a-new-era-for-the-saints/#comment-2311215 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 15:57:21 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701601#comment-2311215 Anything

]]> By: wallio http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/brees-sees-2013-as-a-new-era-for-the-saints/#comment-2311201 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 15:53:33 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701601#comment-2311201 Drew Brees’s sentences are all the same: a noun, a verb, and a reference to hurricane katrina. Still can’t play outside, still only cares about stats, and still demands an explanation. #NFLsMostOverrated

]]> By: riddums http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/brees-sees-2013-as-a-new-era-for-the-saints/#comment-2311188 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 15:43:50 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701601#comment-2311188 A lot of Saints haters out there

]]> By: williambrasky http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/brees-sees-2013-as-a-new-era-for-the-saints/#comment-2311185 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 15:42:35 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701601#comment-2311185 From 09-11 the Saints had the most combined wins in the NFL, including a SB title. To say they were not a good team is absurd.

]]> By: slickster35 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/brees-sees-2013-as-a-new-era-for-the-saints/#comment-2311172 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 15:35:56 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701601#comment-2311172 Least credible voice in sports.

Some people are just too stupid to know when to shut their mouths.

Oh, and “mole”.

]]> By: cags777 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/brees-sees-2013-as-a-new-era-for-the-saints/#comment-2311171 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 15:35:03 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701601#comment-2311171 kattykathy: Goodell wanted to destroy the Saints? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Goodell was in charge of making sure the Saints got all the positive PR coverage post-Katrina. It was the refs (with Goodell watching) that overlooked cheap, malicious hits on Favre and Warner in the playoffs. It was the refs (again with Goodell watching) who allowed bad and questionable calls against opposing teams to stand. It was Goodell who also continued the post-Katrina PR heading into the Super Bowl and then the following season. Stop attempting to revise history. The reason I am hating is because the Saints milked this tragedy, broke the rules, lied about it, and then played the victim card. It was like watching a crooked politician play the victim card after getting his or her hand in the cookie jar again and again. Besides, Saints players had it coming this season the the “us against the world” mentality and they failed miserably. Teams know what they did and you can bet they’ll be going after every Saints player that takes the field. You reap what you sow.

]]> By: ickky http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/brees-sees-2013-as-a-new-era-for-the-saints/#comment-2311165 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 15:31:33 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701601#comment-2311165 The Saints are, and always will be scum of the NFL

]]> By: op25ttfd http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/brees-sees-2013-as-a-new-era-for-the-saints/#comment-2311163 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 15:30:36 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701601#comment-2311163 It’s so funny how as fans, we will talk smack about the other 31 teams and get offended when other fans talk trash about our teams.

]]> By: breesmvp http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/brees-sees-2013-as-a-new-era-for-the-saints/#comment-2311142 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 15:11:10 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701601#comment-2311142 @hooks024—–They won division, conference, and league title. So yes, “championshipS”

]]> By: darkneptune73 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/brees-sees-2013-as-a-new-era-for-the-saints/#comment-2311137 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 15:07:08 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701601#comment-2311137 I sincerely hope when Brees say new era for the Saints, he means a new era for that horrible defense.

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