Comments on: Sapp’s candidacy for Canton will be a good litmus test for voters http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/sapps-candidacy-for-canton-will-be-a-good-litmus-test-for-voters/ ProFootballTalk on NBCSports.com Mon, 20 May 2013 04:42:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Shinnbone http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/sapps-candidacy-for-canton-will-be-a-good-litmus-test-for-voters/#comment-2312001 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 23:46:53 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701847#comment-2312001 I certainly hope those two Bunnies had some security close by…

]]> By: jgilesband http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/sapps-candidacy-for-canton-will-be-a-good-litmus-test-for-voters/#comment-2311824 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 22:37:42 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701847#comment-2311824 Having a sports writer determine who deserves a spot is so antiquated and frankly a tad odd. What proof do he have the Sapp, Brown, Haley, etc deserve to be in the Hall? What proof do we have that these WRITERS deserve to judge a player’s athletic achievements? Sapp is a perfect example of being punished for making it harder for writers to do their job (by being mean! poor dears having to suffer through such trauma), which should have nothing to do with the selection process.

Favre will be (and deserves to be) a first ballot HOFer, but there is as much of a case for him being a “turd” as Sapp but because he boosted Peter King’s ego all that will be washed over. Also because QB is an easier position for a non-expert (sports writer) to judge and inflated passing numbers only count against WRs, not QBs.

]]> By: bmoritz2003 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/sapps-candidacy-for-canton-will-be-a-good-litmus-test-for-voters/#comment-2311798 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 22:21:07 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701847#comment-2311798 I saw Sapp play plenty of times. He was good, but he is NOT a Hall of Famer. If it wasn’t for his mouth, he would already be forgotten. He’s not even close.

]]> By: arson81 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/sapps-candidacy-for-canton-will-be-a-good-litmus-test-for-voters/#comment-2311788 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 22:12:35 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701847#comment-2311788 Wow.

Everyone has a right to their opinion, but it’s obvious that alot of the nay sayers never saw Sapp play, or didn’t understand what they were watching.

Sapp, along with John Randle really put a spotlight on the 3-technique “undertackle” position. If you know anything about the Cover 2 scheme, then you would understand it is predicated on getting a dominant rush from just four down linemen a majority of the time. Having a havoc-wreaking menace like Sapp that commanded double and triple teams from an interior position is what made the Bucs defense of that era one of the greatest in NFL history. As good as Derrick Brooks, John Lynch, and Ronde Barber were…if they didn’t have Sapp they would not have been as dominant a unit.

He almost had 100 sacks as a dt. That in of itself is remarkable. He was only one of only five defenders in history to be named to 2 All Decade teams. He was as good against the run in that one gap scheme as anyone, and he doesn’t get credit for the leadership he gave to this franchise on the field. His swagger changed the culture of a franchise that had had 14 losing seasons before he and Brooks came along.

To this day scouts are always looking for the “next warren Sapp” when they evaluate 3 techniques.

They haven’t found one yet.

]]> By: whatjusthapped http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/sapps-candidacy-for-canton-will-be-a-good-litmus-test-for-voters/#comment-2311787 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 22:11:50 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701847#comment-2311787 Sapp is totally overrated. Had a few good years out of the gate and then coasted.

The fact that he is a turd, an egotistical blowhard and stupid shouldn’t be held against him. Its the totality of his career that is just slightly above average that will keep him out.

]]> By: edgerules http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/sapps-candidacy-for-canton-will-be-a-good-litmus-test-for-voters/#comment-2311716 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 21:04:14 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701847#comment-2311716 Sapp is such a jerk, and such a moron on Twitter, that I had to block him on there. His play, which SHOULD be the ONLY factor, IS Hall of Fame worthy.

However, the 40 plus writers have their stupid biases, and crap, and if they are keeping Haley out, then I am afraid Sapp is going to be kept out too.

]]> By: handsofsweed http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/sapps-candidacy-for-canton-will-be-a-good-litmus-test-for-voters/#comment-2311710 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 20:58:23 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701847#comment-2311710 That poor girl on the right in that pic is leaning away from him bc his breath smells like an onion dipped in baby sh*t.

]]> By: tombstone7 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/sapps-candidacy-for-canton-will-be-a-good-litmus-test-for-voters/#comment-2311683 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 20:34:59 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701847#comment-2311683 If the HOf committee will keep a player out of HOF because of some of thethings he has done after he left the game, how about throwing guys out of the HOF after they have made it…e.g Joe Namath & Lawrence Taylor. They wouldn’t dare do it because they are punk a#* cowards in the first place.

Sapp’s play warrants his election to the HOF as all others!

]]> By: cintiphil http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/sapps-candidacy-for-canton-will-be-a-good-litmus-test-for-voters/#comment-2311672 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 20:23:45 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701847#comment-2311672 I don’t think he played that long in the league to be considered one of the best etc. etc.. He had a talent to be sure, but he was also overrated in my opinion. He apparently had little endurance as a lineman. he would take himself out of the game when he got winded or too tired. What knod of HOF player had done that in the past? I just think he is not of the same level as a true HOF. I have to admit in either case, I don’t care.

]]> By: joewilliesshnoz http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/sapps-candidacy-for-canton-will-be-a-good-litmus-test-for-voters/#comment-2311648 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 20:03:42 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701847#comment-2311648 Looks like he got a couple nice busts already !

]]> By: Slim Charles http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/sapps-candidacy-for-canton-will-be-a-good-litmus-test-for-voters/#comment-2311621 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 19:48:45 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701847#comment-2311621 Sapp is a moron, but self-righteous sports writers are even worse. The only people who should vote for the HOF are current/retired players and coaches.

]]> By: exibitsman http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/sapps-candidacy-for-canton-will-be-a-good-litmus-test-for-voters/#comment-2311610 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 19:42:35 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701847#comment-2311610 I think joe klecko belongs in the H.O.F before Warren sapp .klecko was all pro at 3 different position,s
And had a 20 sack season playing DT position.

]]> By: docr8der http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/sapps-candidacy-for-canton-will-be-a-good-litmus-test-for-voters/#comment-2311584 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 19:22:39 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701847#comment-2311584 I feel real bad that this guy has to advocate for Sapp. IMO a turd in the punchbowl of football.
The really sad thing is that the guys who arent media darlings yet deserve the HOF dont have advocates: Ray Guy…enough said.
Dave Dalby, anchored the line at center for 3 Super Bowl winning teams killed in a car wreck too young. Cliff Branch…gee, at least 200 more receptions than media darling/politician Lynn Swann.
Yea, they’re Raiders but look at their contributions, not the lack of notoreity.
The voting has become a joke. I bleed silver n black but I didnt agree with Howie Long being inducted so quick. Was it the Teri Hatcher affect?
Put guys in who deserve it. Start with the guys who have waited decades, not push guys thru on first ballot years.

]]> By: bartlettruss http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/sapps-candidacy-for-canton-will-be-a-good-litmus-test-for-voters/#comment-2311566 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 19:08:54 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701847#comment-2311566 Yeah, not to mention his hit on Chad Clifton. Sapp has no remorse (apparently) for any of the crummy things he’s done. If Cris Carter is being held out of the hall based on bad behavior then it’s a lock for Sapp not to make it.

I think he’s a creep and won’t watch any program he’s on. The NFL if full of it for allowing him on their network after his “snitch comment” against Shockey. Probably ended the man’s career.

]]> By: jeagan1999 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/sapps-candidacy-for-canton-will-be-a-good-litmus-test-for-voters/#comment-2311537 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 18:55:35 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701847#comment-2311537 During the late 90′s and early 2000′s, Warren Sapp was the most disruptive force in any NFL defense. He lived in opposing backfileds, sacked the quarterback, stuffed runs behind the line of scrimmage and generaly caused chaos and mayhem every Sunday. The other teams tried to double and sometimes even triple team him and he still racked up incredible numbers for a defensive lineman. You may not like him as a person, or condone things he has done after he left the game, but he forever changed the way coaches and coordinators look at the DT position and he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame for his play.

]]> By: autumnwind999 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/sapps-candidacy-for-canton-will-be-a-good-litmus-test-for-voters/#comment-2311535 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 18:53:39 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701847#comment-2311535 Tim Brown is the guy who needs to finally go in.

1. Tim Brown
2. Larry Allen
2a. Jonathan Ogden
4. Bill Parcells
5. Charles Haley
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6. Carter
7. Reed
8. Strahan
9. Sapp

]]> By: autumnwind999 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/sapps-candidacy-for-canton-will-be-a-good-litmus-test-for-voters/#comment-2311528 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 18:48:08 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701847#comment-2311528 He will go into the Hall and deserves to, but I don’t think he’s necessarily a first-ballot guy. There are other guys who are just as worthy as Sapp who aren’t in yet. As much as people hate on Sapp for his personality, it’s also bought him a lot of publicity and that awareness has also inflated his “greatness” to a degree. He was largely a one-dimensional, pass rushing DT.

]]> By: theysone http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/sapps-candidacy-for-canton-will-be-a-good-litmus-test-for-voters/#comment-2311526 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 18:44:58 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701847#comment-2311526 If off-field actions didn’t count, Charles Haley would already be in the hall.

If Sapp gets in before Haley, it’d be a travesty.

]]> By: bpanz2012 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/sapps-candidacy-for-canton-will-be-a-good-litmus-test-for-voters/#comment-2311513 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 18:33:16 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701847#comment-2311513 he deserves this as much as he deserved DWS
globe

]]> By: kingdm8 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/sapps-candidacy-for-canton-will-be-a-good-litmus-test-for-voters/#comment-2311506 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 18:28:34 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701847#comment-2311506 Geez… Anyone who gives thumbs down to those of us that know Sapp should be in must have lived under a rock while he was playing. Dude was dominant for one of the best defenses in the league.

]]> By: CKL http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/sapps-candidacy-for-canton-will-be-a-good-litmus-test-for-voters/#comment-2311463 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 18:08:32 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701847#comment-2311463 Lost in all this is the comments Goodell made awhile back about wanting character to count in HOF. I love character guys on my team but I disagree with him. It should be what a guy did on the field ONLY. And if it isn’t just about on the field stuff, there are some busts in there now that need to be removed.

That’s one reason why writers should be only a part of who gets to vote (I think it should be mostly scouts, GMs, coaches), because they may have the tendency to use a guy’s media relations as a reason to vote for someone else, even if they don’t voice that in meetings.

]]> By: kingpel http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/sapps-candidacy-for-canton-will-be-a-good-litmus-test-for-voters/#comment-2311430 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 17:49:01 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701847#comment-2311430 You cant mention Cris Carter in the same sentence as Warren Sapp. Sapp was the most dominant player on the league’s most dominant defense for years. He is one of the all-time greats.

Carter isn’t even as good as his teammate and real difference maker, Randy Moss, who will be a first ballot guy.

Sapp, Allen and Ogden should go in for sure.

]]> By: demolition510 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/sapps-candidacy-for-canton-will-be-a-good-litmus-test-for-voters/#comment-2311416 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 17:43:30 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701847#comment-2311416 I hope he gets in just for the simple fact that we won’t have to hear his guns flapping if he didn’t. Can’t you imagine how much MORE he would talk and all those stupid exaggerated facial expressions?

]]> By: mizzousooner http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/sapps-candidacy-for-canton-will-be-a-good-litmus-test-for-voters/#comment-2311406 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 17:38:07 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701847#comment-2311406 Played for the U, played for the Raiders.

Thumbs down!

]]> By: surran70065 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/sapps-candidacy-for-canton-will-be-a-good-litmus-test-for-voters/#comment-2311362 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 17:22:12 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701847#comment-2311362 “Some of those people in that room are looking for a reason to vote ‘no’ on this guy based on the way he treated them”
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That right there is reason enough to take this decision out of the hands of these people. I don’t card if he took a dump in their shoes. If his career merits it, he should get in.

]]> By: facebook.com/joesimmonscomic AKA Slow Joe (Bucs fan) http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/sapps-candidacy-for-canton-will-be-a-good-litmus-test-for-voters/#comment-2311355 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 17:19:05 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701847#comment-2311355 I think he’s a slam dunk HOFer, but it’s a tough field so I’m not sure it’s this year.

As for whoever above said he was a non-factor the second half of his career: maybe he was watching Benny Sapp? Warren Sapp spent nine seasons with the Bucs and was a beast for all of them. I didn’t follow him much with the Raiders but I know he had a double-digit sack season in the silver and black as well.

]]> By: jlinatl http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/sapps-candidacy-for-canton-will-be-a-good-litmus-test-for-voters/#comment-2311332 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 17:10:22 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701847#comment-2311332 There probably won’t be many that completely disqualify him, but with only 5 spots something has to be the tie breaker once a voter narrows the list to 7 or 8.

When I lived in Tampa, there were many stories of him being nasty to fans as well as media.

If it becomes a factor… and I think it will for some voters… he has only himself to blame.

]]> By: EJ http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/sapps-candidacy-for-canton-will-be-a-good-litmus-test-for-voters/#comment-2311322 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 17:05:00 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701847#comment-2311322 Biased? Yes. Most are. No, I do not believe that Warren Sapp deserves to be put into the Hall of Fame this early after retiring. The only reason that would get him put in would be the fact that he is on TV. I can see the TV executives congregating and coming to the conclusion that when his name is announced : With Former NFL Player Warren Sapp < With NFL Hall of Famer Warren Sapp. I'm sure that the big market of television will have some influence on getting Sapp in early.

]]> By: hatesycophants http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/sapps-candidacy-for-canton-will-be-a-good-litmus-test-for-voters/#comment-2311305 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 16:53:40 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701847#comment-2311305 Absolute and total BS. Warren Sapp is a jackass. However, if you eliminated every jackass in the history of the NFL from consideration, it would be as hollow as the MLB HoF. If you know anything about football and defense, you have to vote yes on Sapp. It is not possible to legitimately come to any other conclusion.

Carter is on the margin.

]]> By: wtfchiefs http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/02/sapps-candidacy-for-canton-will-be-a-good-litmus-test-for-voters/#comment-2311290 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 16:47:04 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1701847#comment-2311290 Micheal Irvin and Lawrence Taylor are in. Enough said.

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