Comments on: Holdouts could become a real problem for the NFL

By: jollyjoker2

jollyjoker2 — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 04:07:27 +0000

I never seen an owner hold out because a player turned out to be a DOG!

By: jollyjoker2

jollyjoker2 — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 04:06:15 +0000

maybe don’t sign a contract, go all out and then expect to renegotiate. too obvious I guess. If these guys want to sit, let them .

By: rajbais

rajbais — Wed, 20 Feb 2013 06:34:49 +0000

Note to agents:

Push for player option clauses in contracts!!!

You push for no back-to-back franchise tag years and unemployment compensation (ie Jake Delhomme, Lavar Arrington, JaMarcus Russell, the could-have-beens like Mike Vick, Santonio Holmes, and the possible ones like Nnamdi Asomugha) and you can’t have player option clauses for the player to terminate his contract to seek more money or a new contract?

Time to put it in! The aforementioned post-contractual effects were once impossible and you guys can’t push for what I am recommending?

It doesn’t hurt to try.

By: raiderapologist

raiderapologist — Wed, 20 Feb 2013 01:34:35 +0000

I would love to see Andy Dalton hold out. In his next deal, he will be required to pay for his own gear.

By: bleed4philly

bleed4philly — Tue, 19 Feb 2013 23:15:25 +0000

The players could always strike too

By: ss376

ss376 — Tue, 19 Feb 2013 19:34:23 +0000

I’d just modify the rookie scale to make it either 2 years or 4 years. As a player, if I’m confident I’ll be a breakout star, I’d opt for the shorter deal. If I’m less confident I’d opt for the 4 year deal.

As for holding out, it’s a negotiating tactic. Collectively, the teams have a ton of leverage (which is why the NFLPA is a toothless union), but individually the teams have virtually none. it’s just the way the system is. If teams were that serious, they’d just cut a player who was holding out, or better yet, sue them for breach of contract. Why dont they do that? Because cutting your holdout star player or suing them is bad for business and takes more money out the owner’s pocket than they’d put in it by cutting them or suing them.

By: jwil007

jwil007 — Tue, 19 Feb 2013 19:32:19 +0000

Everybody complained about Rookies making to much in the old deal now people are complaining about the 5th year option because rookies performed…So how many didnt perform vs did?? We cant have it both ways…In the battle of CBA negotiation its give and take…Sometimes you lose and sometimes you win… If you ball out in year 3 then hopefully you get the new deal but holding out is stupid….Name a great player that held out and didnt experience bad stuff after they did….

Revis
Jones Drew
list goes on and on and on…….
Its bad Karma

By: granadafan

granadafan — Tue, 19 Feb 2013 19:22:04 +0000

Cities should holdout as well whenever billionaire owners demand that the taxpayers pay for their lavish workplaces.

By: packerbackernj

packerbackernj — Tue, 19 Feb 2013 19:06:45 +0000

@pierrepoint

You’re an idiot. They eat the fines because even though they are not at camp, they are getting credit towards their final year of their contract. If you retire, everything is frozen.

By: packerbackernj

packerbackernj — Tue, 19 Feb 2013 19:04:02 +0000

The more the profits of the nfl go up, the more the cap and floor of the salaries should go up.

By: bobby2478

bobby2478 — Tue, 19 Feb 2013 19:03:37 +0000

Seems to me that the solution would be for owners and teams to STOP giving out 20 million / year deals. The more huge deals you see, the more players know it is possible and will rightfully try to get as much as they can.

If you had leverage when negotiating salary for your new job and you had a chance to get say $100,000 if you fought for it, vs only $75,000 for accepting the offer, you’d likely fight to try and get as much as you can. So can’t blame players for doing the same thing.

If on the other hand only exceptional players got huge contracts instead of almost any respectable FA like today, there would be less huge deals to go around and players wouldn’t fight for unattainable contracts. As long as someone is going to pay them, they have every reason to hold out.

By: dvdman123

dvdman123 — Tue, 19 Feb 2013 19:02:16 +0000

A contract is a contract, the players shouldn’t have a agreed to it under the new CBA if they were going to have issues with it. If those players mentioned want to be mad at anyone it should be their teammates who signed off on it. Anyway I say let them hold out and fine them. Where the heck are they going to play and get paid the ridiculous amount of money they are making. I guess someone forgot to tell them the CFL and AFL don’t pay much and the USFL doesn’t exist anymore.

By: pierrepoint1

pierrepoint1 — Tue, 19 Feb 2013 18:40:45 +0000

The easy way to avoid the $30K per day fine is to file your retirement papers.

They can’t fine you if you retire, and you make it clear to the team that you won’t unretire without a new deal.

And by retiring the team can’t prevent you from taking up another sport, or endeavour because you’re not contractually obligated to the team anymore.

The only leverage the team has is preventing you from playing in the NFL.

And since the owners are business men it makes no sense to have an asset that isn’t worth anything to them, and eventually the player will get traded to a team that wants to pay them.

By: ravenmuscle

ravenmuscle — Tue, 19 Feb 2013 18:27:56 +0000

Holdouts should think long and hard about their decision…pulled hamstrings…bad years…are the RULE for holdouts…nobody wins..PERIOD.

Need I mention Chris Johnson.

By: radrntn

radrntn — Tue, 19 Feb 2013 18:20:55 +0000

let them sit out all they want….next guy up

By: bigredgoog

bigredgoog — Tue, 19 Feb 2013 18:17:52 +0000

I thought fines went to some charity. Doesn’t seem right that owners can forgive the fines.

Even if the fines stay with the clubs they should have written a rule against allowing the teams to waive the fines. Take that option off the table so that the fines have teeth and the agents and players know the teams are powerless to dismiss the fines. Sure they could give the player extra money but that comes from the salary cap.

By: gadgetdawg

gadgetdawg — Tue, 19 Feb 2013 18:09:03 +0000

No other company in the world works the way the major sports teams do. No where else are you going to find the employees earning 50 percent of the pie.
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You are absolutely correct. I believe the average payroll cost in American business is 70% a fair bit higher than 50%.

By: jbcommonsense

jbcommonsense — Tue, 19 Feb 2013 17:46:11 +0000

Talented enough players will demand higher salaries, and they will get them. Over time the salary cap will have to increase.

By: pettytom

pettytom — Tue, 19 Feb 2013 17:41:35 +0000

If Goodell can make $30 mil for being horrible at his job these players should be able to make as much as they can. Of Goodell’s $30 mil $20+ mil of it was bonuses. Here’s an idea, give him a lot less money and raise the salary cap so you can pay the people that bring in the money. Last time I checked not a single fan went to see a game because of Jerry Jones, Kraft, Snyder, Benson, etc. they went to see Brady, Rodgers, Bress, Peterson, etc. Pay the people that make you the money.

By: jprcox

jprcox — Tue, 19 Feb 2013 17:33:54 +0000

Rarely does it work out where after getting “the payday” do these player end up doing much of anything after that point. There are exceptions, but that comes most often from position players that don’t have the same risk to their bodies – since once they have their money, they worry about their bodies. RB’s are the worst, since they nearly give up following their “pay day”. WRs aren’t too far behind.

By: nfloracle

nfloracle — Tue, 19 Feb 2013 17:33:06 +0000

Cam’s going to have to win some games as a team player instead of as a cultural icon with a Superman gimmick before he’s going to see anything close to $20,000,000.

By: glac1

glac1 — Tue, 19 Feb 2013 17:27:16 +0000

let em sit! With our real unemployment numbers hovering at 14% teams will find someone who can run, catch or block for the right price…

By: zerole00

zerole00 — Tue, 19 Feb 2013 17:20:54 +0000

Regardless of what happens, I’ve got a pretty good feeling fans will be leaving games with less in their pockets.

By: guinsrule

guinsrule — Tue, 19 Feb 2013 17:16:56 +0000

Why do people get so upset a players when they want a better contract than the one they agreed to, when owners are always breaking those contracts by cutting players when it benefits them?

By: richc111

richc111 — Tue, 19 Feb 2013 17:05:08 +0000

I get tired of the problems of millionaires and billionaires while us hunderedaires scrap by.

By: seahawks80

seahawks80 — Tue, 19 Feb 2013 17:04:18 +0000

Ridiculous….before long the “employee” will make more than the “employer”

By: EJ

EJ — Tue, 19 Feb 2013 17:02:37 +0000

$30,000/day is absolutely crazy! Some people live off of that amount yearly! These players need to stand by the contracts they sign. Play your contract out and then you will be eligible for a new one.

By: barnesaintnoble

barnesaintnoble — Tue, 19 Feb 2013 17:02:14 +0000

I don’t mind greed from the players. They put their bodies and brains on the line and should be compensated, especially at the positions that historically have short careers. It’s too bad all the power is on the owners’ side. It’s also strange that we hear all these numbers about players contracts and holdouts but we hear NOTHING about the financial operations of all these teams. How much money are they bringing in? How many tax breaks are they getting with their nonprofit status and “boost to a city’s economy”? (10 Sundays a year isn’t making or breaking anything for a business or city) If the teams are taking tax-payer money to build their stadiums that information needs to be widely available.

By: johnnyb1976

johnnyb1976 — Tue, 19 Feb 2013 16:57:55 +0000

Arbitration cases in the NFL like they have in MLB would help clear some of this up.

By: mhs8031

mhs8031 — Tue, 19 Feb 2013 16:56:26 +0000

I think the players are more than fairly compensated while they play. Too many blow their money, so the only people better off are the agents.

I would like to see more money put into the retirement fund, so players with long-term issues can get premium health coverage, and I would like to see them have a nest-egg at retirement. When about 7o% of players who make $1o million playing in the NFL are broke three years after retirement, more money is not the answer.