Comments on: Jim Miller relies on religion to justify intolerance of homosexuals

By: benroethlisberger7

benroethlisberger7 — Wed, 06 Mar 2013 11:00:23 +0000

Cognitive dissidence at its best (or worse)

By: micbg77

micbg77 — Mon, 04 Mar 2013 20:23:19 +0000

Speaking from a Christian perspective, I take issue with Jim Miller’s comments, as it paints Christians in a negative light and as Florio points out…it is not the true message of Christ. The whole message of jesus was to accept the sinners. He spent his entire ministry with sinners, of all kinds. Yes the Bible states that being gay is sin, but it also says lots of other things are sin, like adultery, murder etc. Bottom line, we are not the ultimate judge…and flat out saying you won’t accept someone because of their lifestyle contradicts the entire message of Jesus.

By: steveb9995

steveb9995 — Sat, 02 Mar 2013 02:55:43 +0000

Amazing. Here we are in the 21st century, and people still believe the laws and social standards of a bunch of Bronze Age tribesmen are somehow relevant in our modern, multicultural society. Worse yet, they believe that Bronze Age mythology trumps science and our modern understanding of the world and human nature. Absolutely pathetic, IMHO.

By: buffedwhiteman

buffedwhiteman — Sat, 02 Mar 2013 02:14:07 +0000

Hate the sin,love the sinner !

By: suckleague

suckleague — Fri, 01 Mar 2013 21:11:40 +0000

Couldn’t agree more with Florio here: “The problem with most religions is that the relevant scriptures have enough passages that can be isolated and spun to justify pretty much any position someone wants to adopt.” Exactly. Like trying to pretend the new testament isn’t full of threats, bigotry, and misogyny as the author of this column is doing. You can cherry pick the “love your neighbor” and “do unto others” and deny all the “And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.” (1 rom 26-27) and “I do not allow a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; instead, she is to be silent.” (1 tim 2:12), the condoning of slavery, diseases caused by demons, etc. Why do you think there are over 40,000 denominations / brands of Christianity? As Sam Harris so simply put, “If we take Jesus in half his moods, we can easily justify the actions of Francis of Assisi or Martin Luther King, Jr. Taking the other half, we can justify the Inquisition.”
Can we get back to football, ProFootballTalk.com?

By: artbyshan

artbyshan — Fri, 01 Mar 2013 21:08:29 +0000

Just because you “feel” something is right doesn’t make it right.

By: stevent92

stevent92 — Fri, 01 Mar 2013 16:27:53 +0000

So “Hate” and “Intolerance” = any belief you don’t personally agree with?

People of the religious persuasion are “judged” just as much in the public eye by people like Florio for what they believe.

By: rushhardmenthenfall

rushhardmenthenfall — Fri, 01 Mar 2013 12:44:27 +0000

Not religious by a long shot but i thought you are not supposed to judge others and i also thought you should treat others as you would want to be treated. Honestly like the idea of religion but there is just too much hipocracy for me to completely buy in.

By: eaglestowin

eaglestowin — Fri, 01 Mar 2013 00:52:15 +0000

I agree with both sides. Easy to be tolerant of different sexual orientations in the workplace, but not when you shower together. I can never envision myself being allowed to shower in a female locker room and the women being ok with it. How is that different? And should my expectation be that the women are ok with it? And does everybody else who wants to allow that situation to exist in the NFL think its okay?

By: 4ever9er

4ever9er — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 17:49:27 +0000

God-Jesus=LOVE FOR ALL

1. I’m a Chrisitian who believes that God is my Savior and that Jesus Christ his son that he sent to die for our sins

2. If Gays are allowed in the Military where they Eat, Sleep, Shower, Go to real Wars and Fight & Die together, then I’m sure the NFL and it’s players can figure it out!

3. Why in this day and age are Players showering together anyway, can’t these teams afford private shower stalls?

4. If its true that 1 out of every 6 men are gay, then the NFL already has 8 gay players on every team… Just Saying

By: fwippel

fwippel — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 16:10:11 +0000

CKL says:
Feb 28, 2013 11:02 AM

I say this as someone who is pro gays being able to marry, and be able to have regular families with children, adopted or not and as someone who is also an atheist.

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Can’t agree with you on this. As a man, I cannot replace my wife as a mother, nor could she replace me as a father. Can you imagine your father being replaced by a woman, or your mother by a man?

Men and women are different for a reason. They have different mindsets, different takes on the world, and complementary roles they bring to raising children.

No child should be deliberately deprived of a mother or a father. To do so is to use them as pawns in someone’s diluted version of a civil rights battle. Children deserve better than that.

By: CKL

CKL — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 16:02:01 +0000

“Tolerance” as a word has turned into what “racism” has. Completely hijacked to the extent it has changed meaning so we now have people saying “reverse racism” when it applies to a minority’s prejudiced thoughts on white people when it’s is simply still just racism.

Tolerance has been co opted to mean” You must not only accept but also embrace what I am even if it’s against what you believe” .No, TOLERANCE is simply not agreeing with something yet letting the person have their beliefs and respecting their right to do that. From what I’ve seen it seldom applies to the people the “tolerance police” are condemning.

I say this as someone who is pro gays being able to marry, and be able to have regular families with children, adopted or not and as someone who is also an atheist.

By: commonsensedude

commonsensedude — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 15:47:19 +0000

Good morning! I’d like to order some Pro Football Talk. Please HOLD the liberal social commentary. Thanks, dude!!

By: persicjj01

persicjj01 — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 15:43:56 +0000

The problem with this kind of talk is that it assumes that there are so many people out there who are intolerant of gays and will stop at nothing to impede their success.

It is simply not true. If it is then where are all the stories of gays being blackballed by employers or where are the mass amounts of discrimination in the workplace?

Surely if it was as big a problem as the morally righteous suggest it is then the mainstream media would have no problem reporting it on a mass level since a divided nation is seemingly desired by the media.

Just like the morally superior claim that gays are stereotyped and such you must make the same argument for religious folk, namely Catholics. Not all are anti-gay as tough as that is to swallow and even the ones who claim to be anti-gay aren’t out there impeding anyone’s chances at success.

This is a big time media fabrication that is designed to get the general public talking about a non-issue.

By: serenaundercover

serenaundercover — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 15:40:18 +0000

How about players focus on the jobs they are paid a great deal of money for and leave both religion and sexual preference at home.

By: samefamilymarriageadvocate

samefamilymarriageadvocate — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 14:55:50 +0000

It’s 2013. When are you people going to finally realize it? My sister looks beautiful this morning.

By: mljohns

mljohns — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 14:54:46 +0000

bigdaddy44 says: Feb 28, 2013 5:19 AM

“He [Jesus] did not associate with the holy men of that time because he believed they were already good, he stayed away from them because he had total disdain for them, believing them to be hypocrites.”

Looking at a lot of the comments here and the pseudo-evangelicals running and attending mega-churches in this country, looks like Jesus is still right all these millennia later!

By: samefamilymarriageadvocate

samefamilymarriageadvocate — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 14:48:50 +0000

You bigoted incestphobes can’t silence me any longer. My hot older sister and I deserve the same rights that you do. It wasn’t our choice. ACCEPT US.

By: cobaltdriver

cobaltdriver — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 14:47:04 +0000

Gays already are accepted in the NFL. Aaron Rodgers has been a starting QB for years and no one has kicked him out for being gay.

Seriously? I can see either the Biqueen fans or the inbred Favre lovers must be out of school today. FYI..Aaron Rodgers has bagged more hot chicks than you have in your state..but keep keep thinking that while you have your hand to kee Keep keep you warm Oh And by the way grandma needs her feet rubbed.

By: moneey31

moneey31 — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 14:41:14 +0000

I want my football back. This website seems like is now being used to push an agenda. I don’t want to be told how I should feel about homisexuality by a lawyer, I just wanna talk about football.FYI, I played college and arena football, no one wants to shower with someone who is attracted to the same sex. That doesn’t mean that I’m saying all gay guys are attracted to athletes but, it is not with them at athletes comfort zone to shower with someone who possibly may be attracted to him. It’s almost like a heterosexual man showering with a group of ugly females. even if the guy isn’t attracted to them, I’m sure the females still wouldn’t feel comfortable

By: eightysixisback

eightysixisback — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 14:37:10 +0000

of course the comment about not being able to comment did though, lol

By: eightysixisback

eightysixisback — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 14:36:11 +0000

apparently i am not allowed to comment on this article. i have tried twice and neither comment has shown up

By: dallascowboysdishingthereal

dallascowboysdishingthereal — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 14:24:33 +0000

Your approach in this article is completely wrong.

Miller is allowed to have his beliefs whether they are based on religion or not. The problem with many gay activists like Florio, is that they aren’t just satisfied with tolerance of gays, they demand approval which many just aren’t comfortable with doing for a variety of reasons.

Don’t you think the NFL already has some gays that are basically in the closet? I imagine most players in the NFL don’t care what someone’s orientation is and are accepting of teammates regardless. But they don’t want it rubbed in their faces with some media wennie like Florio demanding they approve of it and questioning the bible and their religion.

I’m not sure if orientation is chosen or not but I am sure that acting on any tendencies is a choice.

By: 00jk00jk

00jk00jk — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 14:10:26 +0000

Woodstakes
Did you choose not to be sexually attracted to your sister? What if you felt that way, would you be living a lie if you didn’t marry her?
Granadafan– don’t just puppet bad arguments. Jesus came to fulfil the law. I won’t bore everyone here, but read the two page article by Tim Keller on the law to see your argument is based on false assumptions. It is one of the worst arguments being made today but people keep repeating it.

By: zombiefan1000

zombiefan1000 — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:59:04 +0000

i completely agree with Florio on this. Anyone who thinks gay ppl choose their orientation is an imbecile. This is 2013 and times are changing and most people would accept a gay man or woman in this day age. All that matters is if the player can get the job DONE! Sexuality should not be a factor but unfortunately it will take a strong individual to come out while playing in the NFL

By: cornernum23

cornernum23 — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:58:57 +0000

This is getting to be less and less about football, and more and more about what ONE writer views as a human rights issue. The site is profootballtalk, not gayfootballtalk or progayfootballtalk. Can we PLEASE stick to talking about PRO FOOTBALL???

By: visible4

visible4 — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:41:51 +0000

What a weak attempt to spin Miller’s words. HA! All he is saying is that you can expect some people in the locker room to have an issue with it due to religious beliefs. That is a true statement. It wouldn’t bother me personally, just like Jim said it wouldn’t bother him. But you cannot make someone comfortable with it by the use of words. If that is their belief, that is their belief. I think it is sad that people in the locker room would have a problem with it, for sure. But Jim’s statement is correct, and this article is such a weak attempt to spin his words.

By: larryboodry

larryboodry — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:38:19 +0000

“Look, no one has to “approve” of what a co-worker does in his own time, but a locker room is an office like anywhere else. ”

Except for the whole ‘showering naked together’ thing.

By: kyleka0s

kyleka0s — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:36:53 +0000

what is with this website removing non offensive comments all the time and leaving a heap of ignorant ones.

By: bigbenh8tr

bigbenh8tr — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:22:21 +0000

weak article. next one going to be anout mjd defending bullying in classrooms or online. leave this stuff to the ny times/washpost