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Getting sixth year on Flacco deal was a win for Ravens

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Though there’s a chance Joe Flacco may now be able to buy Disneyworld, the key details regarding his agreement in principle — signing bonus, guarantees, structure, etc. — still aren’t known.  But one league insider with extensive experience negotiating major contracts says that one known fact puts a check mark in the team’s win column.

The sixth year.

Though Flacco has satisfied his objective of clearing the bar (barely) set by Drew Brees at $20 million with a $20.1 million average, the sixth year of the $120.6 million contract was critical to the Ravens.

A five-year deal with a $20.1 million average would have put Flacco and the Ravens back in this same situation, at a time when he has only 10 years of experience.  As we pointed out last weekend, low cap numbers in the early years of a five-year deal means big cap numbers later (like in the Brees contract) — which also means a franchise tag that would be through the roof in the first year after the deal expires.

That franchise tag then becomes the starting point for the next contract.

Per the source, the Ravens likely will pay out significant cash in the first 12 months, and likewise in the first three years.  That’s the precedent they set in contracts given to players like running back Ray Rice, linebacker Terrell Suggs, and defensive lineman Haloti Ngata.

Regardless of the money paid on the front end, the Ravens most likely will have insisted on a sixth year with a cap number that translates to a franchise tender (based on the provision guaranteeing the franchise player a 20-percent raise) that the Ravens would be able to fit under the cap, come 2019.

By then, Flacco will have 11 years in the league — and he’ll be 34 years old.  Considering that plenty of today’s franchise quarterbacks are in that same chronological ballpark, Flacco could ultimately be in position to sign another deal that barely clears whatever the high-water mark for quarterbacks is at the time.

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  1. reed20fence says: Mar 2, 2013 9:03 AM

    Quoting this from elsewhere.

    “Now, Baltimore Ravens:
    It’s 2008. gonna sell you a quarterback for $120 million, more money than any qb in NFL history! You’re going to go to the playoffs every single year for his first 5 years in the league…and win at least one game each time. You’re going to win the division twice; you’re going to sweep your 8 home games and the AFC North for the first time ever during one of those seasons; you’re going to finally beat the colts in the playoffs; you’re going to finally beat peyton manning in the playoffs; you’re going to finally beat tom brady in the playoffs; you’re going to go to 3 AFC Championships in those 5 years (and he’ll play well enough to win two of them); he’ll lead game-winning drives IN PITTSBURGH at Heinz Field two seasons in a row; he’ll lead you to your best start in franchise history of 9-2 while the defense falls apart b/c of injuries; he’ll be a super bowl MVP while throwing 11 TDs & 0 INTs in that playoff run; he’ll be arguably the best deep-ball thrower in the league. . . . . . .but occasionally he’ll be inconsistent with his completion percentage. Do you want him or not?”

  2. keylimelight says: Mar 2, 2013 9:07 AM

    Flacco had great numbers going into and in the SB. But, if the Ravens can’t afford to keep the surrounding talent that contributed to their winning because one man has been given the lion’s share, this contract only signals the beginning of a downward spiral.

    Ravens better hope Harbaugh’s staff can coach up rookie free agents for the next 5 years.

  3. ssraebel says: Mar 2, 2013 9:08 AM

    Congrats Flacco. Glad you got your deal so everyone can shut up about it. I think it was a slap in the face of your team and teammates to talk about your contract during the playoffs runs. You are an Avg QB but it is America and you get what you get. I just didn’t like the timing. The Ravens want to pay you like a tip QB? That is there choice. Let’s see how this plays out over the next few years. Looking like another Stafford deal for a avg QB.

  4. ravensallday2012 says: Mar 2, 2013 9:09 AM

    I say it all the time. Best front office in football

  5. roadbiscuit says: Mar 2, 2013 9:09 AM

    Or he could be out, wandering around hoping for a backup job somewhere.

  6. haterade999 says: Mar 2, 2013 9:17 AM

    Gotta love the comments from those just dying for the Ravens FO to fail.

    Won’t happen. Flacco won a SB before the avg age to do so. He’s going into his prime years with that already accomplished.

    OH SNAP. Bmo has a franchise Quarterback… for a long time.

  7. prettyboyjag says: Mar 2, 2013 9:26 AM

    4th and 43…never forget. Alot of money for just an above average qb.

  8. scoobies05 says: Mar 2, 2013 9:35 AM

    great deal for our sb mvp qb going into his prime years. looking like a cap friendly deal too. cant wait to see what we do next. go ravens!!

  9. FoozieGrooler says: Mar 2, 2013 9:40 AM

    Good picture.
    Fitting.

  10. golforepar says: Mar 2, 2013 9:42 AM

    The Ravens better get more HOFers on D so this pay seems justified! 86 career passer rating = average!

  11. awannabegeek says: Mar 2, 2013 9:42 AM

    prettyboyjag says: Mar 2, 2013 9:26 AM

    4th and 43…never forget. Alot of money for just an above average qb.
    ——————————————————————————–
    Says the fan of the team with Blaine Gabbert as their starter….

  12. 1oldpro says: Mar 2, 2013 9:43 AM

    Yeah, because history has shown in all sports that the last year of a huge contract is always the rosiest.
    One down, 50 more players to go.

  13. biglaj007 says: Mar 2, 2013 9:45 AM

    All you guys hating on Flacco & hoping for the Ravens to fail, you all will drink you piss & eat your crap just like Woodley is right now when he said Flacco won’t win a SB. The kid is a stud & he is only going to get better. He had played all the best defenses in the league & he will shine again this season so keep hating.

  14. packerbackernj says: Mar 2, 2013 9:53 AM

    Thank god Aaron isn’t a diva or he would be demanding a new contract asap. I love my QB, and you all secretly do too.

  15. bullcharger says: Mar 2, 2013 9:53 AM

    Flacco has produced and deserves the deal. He’s still young too and will get better during this contract. I still believe the Ravens will struggle next year without Lewis there, but they’ll be good for a while.

  16. braven4evr says: Mar 2, 2013 9:55 AM

    I am an avid Ravens fan and have been one of Flacco’s biggest crittics do largely his inconsistentcy…however I am reminded that Brees, Rivers and now Flacco have all played better after getting away from Cam Cameron. If he continues to play better this is a great contract; if not it’s still a good contract because he is better than a lot of other QB’s in the league. This front office has shown that they are one of the best in the league.

  17. realdealsteel says: Mar 2, 2013 9:59 AM

    Flacco is a bum who got lucky this season. With Goodall helping along the way by not suspending Ed Reed for all his illegal hits, and for not suspending Lewis for taking Antler juice (PED). There won’t be the commissioner helping in future years, and being hamstrung by Flacco’s crazy contract will keep the Ravens in the celler for years to come. No worries from the Steeler nation.

  18. ebbycalvinlaloosh says: Mar 2, 2013 10:02 AM

    No it wasn’t, at least not for the reason you’ve stated. There is no way in Hell that Flacco makes it past year 3 of the new contract without getting cut.

  19. chris6523 says: Mar 2, 2013 10:04 AM

    Good for Joe. Now we won’t have to read any more stories about the 1% chance that Flacco leaves the Ravens even though there was a 0% chance of that ever happening.

  20. mj1818 says: Mar 2, 2013 10:05 AM

    Let the demise begin.

  21. edreedisgod says: Mar 2, 2013 10:15 AM

    So Flacco wins because of the amazing defense the Ravens have? Oh yeah the same defense that you guys said sucked during the season…Make up your mind please. Dont say Ravens can only beat good teams if Flacco plays good and when he does say he did it because of the D. You blogging GMs crack me up. I rather read Ray Lewis jokes then hate about another man’s pay.

  22. 6thsense79 says: Mar 2, 2013 10:20 AM

    In Ozzie we trust. One of the best front office in the league. They always award their own even if it means over paying \, especially if they’re young. Except for Ray Lewis they really aren’t that sentimental with aging players.

  23. justintuckrule says: Mar 2, 2013 10:21 AM

    Great move by the ravens. That 20m will look like peanuts in a few years when qbs like kapernick, newton, rg3, and dalton are looking for 25-30. Flacco is a big gamer just like my qb. Those dudes are priceless regardless of not having reg season Nintendo numbers . Congrats ravens fans

  24. deathonwings410 says: Mar 2, 2013 10:23 AM

    flacco had 100 plus qb rating in each of the four playoff games. steelera trolls, when has ben ever done that? where is his super bowl mvp?

  25. ravenmuscle says: Mar 2, 2013 10:30 AM

    The ONLY thing AVERAGE on this board are the “jealous” haters whose team AND fans were sitting at HOME watching Flacco and the MIGHTY RAVENS win their second Superbowl. Now with Flacco in the fold for 6 years to come …Many more Superbowls will follow as we watch Brady…Manning…Brees…and Roethlisberger retire as OLD MEN as Flacco is only coming into his prime at 28.

    AND….for all the uninformed…this long term deal only CLEARS cap space to sign the rest of our top players or add free agents. This baloney about being in cap jail for 5 years by some of the idiots on this board is totally bogus.

    Trust me…Ozzie has been the best GM in the NFL for YEARS and will keep the Ravens a top franchise for many years to come while the Steelers and Patriots fade into oblivion.

  26. bigbenownsthenfl says: Mar 2, 2013 10:35 AM

    hahahaha this front office of the ravens is a joke. they just made joe flacco the highest paid football player ever!!!! ahahahahaha everyone is laughing at you Baltimore!!! steeler nation is loving life!!!

  27. ravenaintor says: Mar 2, 2013 10:41 AM

    Joe Flacco will go down as the best of all time! Brady and Manning will be nothing but an afterthought in 6 years.

  28. bigbenownsthenfl says: Mar 2, 2013 10:41 AM

    this is the same joe flacco that couldn’t win a starting job at the university of Pittsburgh, and had to transfer to Delaware. right? the same flacco that failed to beat the steelers everytime in the playoffs right? the same flacco that just throws passes up as high and deep as possible and prays his receiver can come down with it? right? same flacco that couldn’t beat Charlie batch at mt bank stadium this year right? same flacco that’s offense is consistently ranked around 20th every year right? ok was just making sure that the ratbirds front office is the worst and that the ratbird organization is completely insane. and you fans saying this is great. are completely insane. nobody was more hateful of joe flacco than ratbird fans themselves..hypocrites!!!

  29. jacktheraven says: Mar 2, 2013 10:42 AM

    I can’t believe the doubters/haters here. Doubters have been saying Joe will never do this or never win a SB. How many times are you going to continue to be wrong? Be honest. How many playoff games did you think Joe WOULD win?

  30. scoobies05 says: Mar 2, 2013 10:50 AM

    and despite being so joe bad your mighty pittsburgh steelers have finished behind the ravens the last two years and have gone from 2nd to 3rd in the division. and lets talk about 9 post season wins 3 afc championship games and a super win capped by an mvp. your jealousy makes you look small. go ravens

  31. javierjiminy says: Mar 2, 2013 10:53 AM

    Ravens got robbed. Let’s be honest. Would you feel comfortable offering this amount of money 2 years ago? I don’t care if he won a superbowl or not. Flacco has placed average numbers in the regular season. This year, he got lucky in the playoffs. More or less, Flacco is somewhere between a Phillip Rivers and a Eli Manning. Flacco doesn’t deserve this type of money. Only a matter of time before we hear some form of regret by the Ravens, leading to reconstructing, and ultimately trading or cutting Flacco for sub-par performances.

  32. cbs1971 says: Mar 2, 2013 10:58 AM

    “Joe Flacco will go down as the best of all time! Brady and Manning will be nothing but an afterthought in 6 years.”

    ________

    Dude, stop! You sound like a idiot……

  33. mmmpierogi says: Mar 2, 2013 11:17 AM

    haterade999 says: Mar 2, 2013 9:17 AM

    Gotta love the comments from those just dying for the Ravens FO to fail.

    Won’t happen. Flacco won a SB before the avg age to do so. He’s going into his prime years with that already accomplished.

    **********************************************************************

    Ravens FO did fail — they overpaid big time. Nobody’s saying Flacco is not a decent QB. If you honestly think he’s worth the money of a Drew Brees, you’re either too homerfied to lift the blinds or you’re missing something.

    Flacco stepped into a Ravens team that has had a top running game multiple years, decent receivers around him every year (Mason, Heap, Williams, Boldin, Smith — although underperforming at times), and one of the best defenses in the league to back him up. If you look across all his numbers and don’t cherry-pick specific statistics, he’s a top 10-15 QB — if you really think that’s $20 million/year good, that’s on you.

    Bottom line — Flacco made a killing on this deal. Better hope he is worth at least 3/4 of that investment.

  34. harrisbarton says: Mar 2, 2013 11:20 AM

    Question: Let’s say that the Niners do score that TD from 5 yds out, and the Ravens can’t score in the remaining two minutes. Does Flacco get the same contract?

    I don’t really know the answer, but thought it might be something to think about . . . .

  35. jody46 says: Mar 2, 2013 11:27 AM

    I think wow! They are putting everything in him when I and most people don’t think he is a elite qb. spent way too much money on him in my opinion. I am a bengals fan so I hope I am right.

  36. mysterytonite says: Mar 2, 2013 11:36 AM

    As a fellow Delaware alumn I say congrats for getting paid and winning the bowl Joe. As a hardcore Bengals fan, I say thanks again Joe, you just put our biggest rival into salary cap purgatory for the forseeable future!!!!

  37. CKL says: Mar 2, 2013 11:48 AM

    harrisbarton says:
    Mar 2, 2013 11:20 AM
    Question: Let’s say that the Niners do score that TD from 5 yds out, and the Ravens can’t score in the remaining two minutes. Does Flacco get the same contract?

    I don’t really know the answer, but thought it might be something to think about . .
    _________________________________
    I think he does. I believed Ozzie when he said before the SB that one game wouldn’t change his mind one way or the other. Ozzie is an honorable man.

  38. bigbadal21 says: Mar 2, 2013 11:50 AM

    Congratulations to Flacco for all that he has done. Congratulations to the Ravens for winning the Superbowl. Congratulations to the Raven fans who have endured so many missed opportunities to get to the Superbowl. But if the Raven organization and their fans do not realize how much Flaccos contract will affect the ability to field a good team in the coming years then they need a reality check. It should not bother them too much this coming year but each year after it will be harder and harder to keep players that will help them to succeed. These are just the facts of the NFL. Also the high praise for the Ravens front office should be tempered in the fact taht they gambled on not signing Flacco sooner and now have paid the price.

  39. godzilla111111 says: Mar 2, 2013 11:53 AM

    Flacco doesn’t win?
    It’s the team around him?
    The team that went 5-11 in 2007?
    Went 11-5 with an AFCCG in 2008 with Flacco?
    Right.

  40. mmmpierogi says: Mar 2, 2013 12:02 PM

    harrisbarton says: Mar 2, 2013 11:20 AM

    Question: Let’s say that the Niners do score that TD from 5 yds out, and the Ravens can’t score in the remaining two minutes. Does Flacco get the same contract?

    I don’t really know the answer, but thought it might be something to think about . . . .

    ********************************************************************

    Or, let’s say the Broncos don’t allow the most fluff 4th quarter TD in recent playoff history as they did this year, and the Ravens don’t make the SB at all. Same scenario.

    End of the day, good for Flacco — he lucked out in a contract year. I simply fail to see how it’s a win for the Ravens organization to pour huge cash into a guy who has yet to show, to me, that his contributions as an individual merit it. Terrell Suggs better have been dead-on with his comments about Flacco being a “proven leader,” or this deal is a huge bust in the making.

  41. jamaltimore says: Mar 2, 2013 12:07 PM

    I think it’s safe to start the Dynasty talk! 5 more years like the last 5 Joe and you’re surefire Hall of Fame Material! Everyone talks about good front office guys but Ozzie and his STAFF, remember in Bmore it’s all about the team, are the best front office in football. Hate all you want but get ready for Black and Purple to be running wild for a long time to come

    Congrats #5

  42. javierjiminy says: Mar 2, 2013 12:15 PM

    godzilla111111 says:Mar 2, 2013 11:53 AM

    Flacco doesn’t win?
    It’s the team around him?
    The team that went 5-11 in 2007?
    Went 11-5 with an AFCCG in 2008 with Flacco?
    Right.

    Wrong. It was because of Harbaugh becoming head coach. Billick sucked in 2007. A great coach determines the success of qbs.

  43. mmmpierogi says: Mar 2, 2013 12:27 PM

    odzilla111111 says: Mar 2, 2013 11:53 AM

    Flacco doesn’t win?
    It’s the team around him?
    The team that went 5-11 in 2007?
    Went 11-5 with an AFCCG in 2008 with Flacco?
    Right.

    ***********************************************************************

    2007 is one year; aside from 2007 and 2005, they’ve been above .500 since 2003. Flacco didn’t just step in and save the team from the depths of mediocrity.

  44. joeflaccoownsyoulosers says: Mar 2, 2013 12:32 PM

    reed20fence says:
    Mar 2, 2013 9:03 AM
    Quoting this from elsewhere.

    “Now, Baltimore Ravens:
    It’s 2008. gonna sell you a quarterback for $120 million, more money than any qb in NFL history! You’re going to go to the playoffs every single year for his first 5 years in the league…and win at least one game each time. You’re going to win the division twice; you’re going to sweep your 8 home games and the AFC North for the first time ever during one of those seasons; you’re going to finally beat the colts in the playoffs; you’re going to finally beat peyton manning in the playoffs; you’re going to finally beat tom brady in the playoffs; you’re going to go to 3 AFC Championships in those 5 years (and he’ll play well enough to win two of them); he’ll lead game-winning drives IN PITTSBURGH at Heinz Field two seasons in a row; he’ll lead you to your best start in franchise history of 9-2 while the defense falls apart b/c of injuries; he’ll be a super bowl MVP while throwing 11 TDs & 0 INTs in that playoff run; he’ll be arguably the best deep-ball thrower in the league. . . . . . .but occasionally he’ll be inconsistent with his completion percentage. Do you want him or not?”

    ……………………………………………………………………………

    Well done sir…..well done.

  45. joeflaccoownsyoulosers says: Mar 2, 2013 12:36 PM

    Ozzie will also continue to do what he’s been doing since 2008 and that’s draft well and put together another championship team. As long as our front office continues to do what they do best, the Ravens will ALWAYS be a contender. Don’t you haters ever forget it!.

  46. justintuckrule says: Mar 2, 2013 1:03 PM

    @bigben re: flacco not winning starting job at upitt. Drew Henson started over Brady at Michigan so what’s your point?

  47. tsi431 says: Mar 2, 2013 1:52 PM

    Quoting this from elsewhere.

    “Now, Baltimore Ravens:
    It’s 2008. gonna sell you a quarterback for $120 million, more money than any qb in NFL history! You’re going to go to the playoffs every single year for his first 5 years in the league…and win at least one game each time. You’re going to win the division twice; you’re going to sweep your 8 home games and the AFC North for the first time ever during one of those seasons; you’re going to finally beat the colts in the playoffs; you’re going to finally beat peyton manning in the playoffs; you’re going to finally beat tom brady in the playoffs; you’re going to go to 3 AFC Championships in those 5 years (and he’ll play well enough to win two of them); he’ll lead game-winning drives IN PITTSBURGH at Heinz Field two seasons in a row; he’ll lead you to your best start in franchise history of 9-2 while the defense falls apart b/c of injuries; he’ll be a super bowl MVP while throwing 11 TDs & 0 INTs in that playoff run; he’ll be arguably the best deep-ball thrower in the league. . . . . . .but occasionally he’ll be inconsistent with his completion percentage. Do you want him or not?”

    ——————————————–
    1st. If you are going to pay $120mil a year in 2008 you are an idiot.

    2nd. Forgot to add, “oh by the way, your team will be hampered for the next decade with salary cap issues.

    3rd. Occasionally inconsistent? Flacco’s QB rating is pretty good, but not great.

    Playoff QB Rating 86.2
    Reg Season QB Rating 86.3

    Just edged out by Chad Pennington (90.1) and Jeff Garcia (87.5).

    Super Bowl’s are not won by the QB, look at your very own Trent Dilfer. Its a team sport. The Ravens past accomplishments depended so much on defense. With the huge cap number on its way, you better draft well.

  48. ravenmuscle says: Mar 2, 2013 2:02 PM

    I’m laughing at the Steeler fans sitting at home knowing that their defense is being dismantled due to age and chronic injuries…no Mike Wallace…No running backs whatsoever….AND the best news of all…Ben Roethlisberger’s chronic shoulder injury has left him with NO arm strength AND that is why he has thrown all those killer interceptions at the end of all those brutal Steeler losses.

    Bwaahaahaahaahaaaaaa

  49. shaunypoo says: Mar 2, 2013 2:08 PM

    I used to not care for Flacco because he is a mediocre quarterback and respect the Ravens FO for making solid decisions, but now I respect Flacco for fleecing the Ravens and hamstringing his own team and lost respect for the FO for being dumb enough to give a barely top ten QB a HUGE contract.

  50. bmore says: Mar 2, 2013 2:10 PM

    reed20fence

    He couldn’t have done anything without his supporting cast. He couldn’t have done it in Cleveland.
    Flacco should thank every team mate a thousand times for his contract.
    Based on his numbers alone, he should’ve been given Eli Manning dollars.

  51. thestrategyexpert says: Mar 2, 2013 2:10 PM

    ravenmuscle:

    Careful what you wish for. Maybe PIT will end up being the worst team in the league for a year or two and then draft Johnny Football to dismantle the Ravens for the next 15 years.

  52. scoobies05 says: Mar 2, 2013 2:53 PM

    just like you cant compare 2008 salaries to 2012 salaries you also cant compare nfl 2000 to 2012. totally different league. trent dilfer and brad johnson were the last 2 qbs to win sbs with defense. but thats not entirely true either. pitt with ben and even the pats with brady. but lately its been offense carrying the way. and that includes the ravens this year. but where would ben be if holmes doesnt make that catch. or brady if vinatieri doesnt make kicks. or eli without tyree and manningham. or flacco without jones and boldin. its a team game of course. but the qb is at the center. joe has stepped up. if some want to say lucky thats up to you. joe is the right guy at the right time and has proven himself. and with a cap friendly deal there is no reason to think the ravens are going anywhere anytime soon

  53. rg3sus says: Mar 2, 2013 3:42 PM

    Flacco is a really good qb. But he hAs had a ton of talent around him. I just don’t understand these mega deals that hurt a teams cap so bad. Breese got one. Ben got one. And now Flacco. Let’s see how these teams do next few years. Little bit of a social experiment to determine how much any one player could possibly be worth. Will help set the bar for my team in 4 years when rg3 needs a new contract (assuming he comes back as the player he once was)

  54. bkostela says: Mar 2, 2013 4:49 PM

    best QBs in the league, brother:

    1. RG Griffin
    2. Kirk Cousins
    32. Everybody else

  55. getyourownname says: Mar 2, 2013 5:39 PM

    I had not realized how much fantasy football had overtaken the average fan’s thinking until I read the comments about Flacco’s “average numbers” .

    The object of the real game is to win, not generate numbers. You would think Steeler fans would undertsand that.

  56. mmmpierogi says: Mar 2, 2013 6:27 PM

    getyourownname says: Mar 2, 2013 5:39 PM

    I had not realized how much fantasy football had overtaken the average fan’s thinking until I read the comments about Flacco’s “average numbers” .

    The object of the real game is to win, not generate numbers. You would think Steeler fans would undertsand that.

    ***********************************************************************

    I’m a Steeler fan, I’ve never played fantasy football in my life, and you’ll see me talking about average numbers left and right, particularly when it comes to making individual personnel decisions such as contracts and salary.

    Numbers convey value when taken in context and interpreted properly. I’ve seen Flacco play a ton and I know his numbers, and there are things that coincide between the two. When it comes down to making long-term individual decisions based on long-term individual performance and merit (i.e., contract decisions), individual long-term numbers (i.e., average numbers) should matter. There are other factors to take into consideration (“Oh, well Flacco is great in the 4th quarter”), but most of these will spill over into the guy’s numbers over the long run, anyhow (how often do you hear about QBs who are annual bottom feeders in the league, number-wise, but who are otherwise known for consistently being clutch in the 4th quarter — even situational play likely aggregates over time to impact guys’ numbers).

    Otherwise, what do you go on — team performance? How does that help in deciding contract numbers for someone like Flacco … the guy’s been part of a stable, talented system on both sides of the ball since he came into the league. If anything, that should work against him.

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