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Competition Committee proposes changes to the red-flag rule

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One of the most embarrassing plays of the 2012 season — for everyone involved — occurred on Thanksgiving Day, when Texans running back Justin Forsett clearly fell down, got up, and ran the rest of the way to the end zone for an 81-yard score.

The obvious mistake wasn’t reviewed via replay, under strict application of a rule that wipes out the review if the coach throws the red challenge flag at a time when the review is automatic.

Basically, Lions coach Jim Schwartz didn’t get that to which he was automatically entitled, simply because he asked for it.

Under a new proposal from the Competition Committee, the review would still occur.

Also, the automatic 15-yard penalty would be wiped out.  A foul would be called only if the coach’s team has no remaining timeouts, or if the coach has no remaining challenges.

So, basically, a coach who throws the red challenge flag at a time when the review is otherwise automatic will be viewed as having thrown the red challenge flag under normal circumstances.

This change, if passed, would provide an extra benefit to coaches.  If the replay assistant chooses incorrectly not to call for an on-field review, the coach could still initiate the process by throwing the red challenge flag.  Last year, there were multiple situations in which, for whatever reason, the replay assistant failed to call for a full review.  (For example, Trindon Holliday.)  Under current rules, the coach can do nothing to force the issue when the replay review is supposedly “automatic.”

For all of those reasons, we won’t be throwing the red challenge flag on this proposed rule change.

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31 Responses to “Competition Committee proposes changes to the red-flag rule”
  1. logicalvoicesays says: Mar 14, 2013 3:58 PM

    The NFL needs to apologise to Washington Redskins fans everywhere for sabotaging our quest for Lombardi #4 this past season. GIVE US BACK OUR 36 MILL IN CAP SPACE!!!

  2. avoidtheboyd says: Mar 14, 2013 3:59 PM

    I think they’re still booing at Ford Field…

  3. vincentedwardjackson says: Mar 14, 2013 3:59 PM

    Why it took this long to change the “Tuck Rule” I will never know……..So many games have been ruined because of it.

  4. nathan702nelson says: Mar 14, 2013 4:00 PM

    @illogicalvoicecanshutup fix the field before you speak.

  5. wrenches2pipes says: Mar 14, 2013 4:01 PM

    Brain surgeons.

  6. eatitfanboy says: Mar 14, 2013 4:06 PM

    So, basically, a coach who throws the red challenge flag at a time when the review is otherwise automatic will be viewed as having thrown the red challenge flag under normal circumstances.
    ========

    That’s actually not 100% accurate, at least not as I’ve seen it explained in other places.

    If a coach throws a challenge flag in an automatic situation, the penalty is that he loses a timeout- whether he wins the challenge or not.

    Ordinarily, a coach who wins a challenge does NOT lose a timeout.

    The 15 yard penalty would be used as an alternate penalty if the coach is out of timeouts.

  7. citizenstrange says: Mar 14, 2013 4:07 PM

    Jimmmmm Schwartzzzzz
    You don’t have to throw out the red flag
    Jimmmmm Schwartzzzzz
    You don’t have to throw out the red flag

    Jim Schwartz (throw out the red flag)
    Jim Schwartz (throw out the red flag)
    Jim Schwartz (throw out the red flag)
    Jim Schwartz (throw out the red flag)

  8. deke952 says: Mar 14, 2013 4:07 PM

    Between Schwartz’s calls, Suh’s ejections, and Johnson’s touching the ball to the ground after a touchdown, the Lions will accept the challenge of discovering new ways to blow a game.

  9. tipdrill84 says: Mar 14, 2013 4:08 PM

    They will be worn be the players and when the are grabbed by a defender the ball carrier is down.

  10. hawks1124 says: Mar 14, 2013 4:09 PM

    I like penalisation of HC who tries to challenge a play that is going to be reviewed anyway. A HC should know better, but the NFL needs to at least give HC a couple years to adjust

  11. calicowboysfan86 says: Mar 14, 2013 4:16 PM

    I made the mistake of reading logicalvoicesays’ BLOG… Someone shoot me. I’m a Cowboys fan happy to see the Skins finally compete again but c’mon man no one cares about your delusional “true fan” rambling. Every comment doesn’t have to relate to how the Redskins are going to rule the world…

  12. macwomack says: Mar 14, 2013 4:22 PM

    This rule was advocated by John Mara – imagine that – John Mara advocates rules that are not well thought out and are not vetted with analysis and thinking…. guess his daddy’s money couldn’t undo the embarrassment he must be feeling about such a bad rule.

  13. macwomack says: Mar 14, 2013 4:24 PM

    @calicowboysfan86
    His posts are almost as bad as boysroll

  14. hockeygoalie29 says: Mar 14, 2013 4:26 PM

    Logicalvoicesays needs to apologise (sic) to Washington Redskins fans everywhere for sabotaging our quest to appear rational and intelligent. GIVE US BACK OUR DIGNITY AND RESPECT!!!

  15. isphet71 says: Mar 14, 2013 4:29 PM

    “the Lions will accept the challenge of discovering new ways to blow a game.”

    Dude, you have NO IDEA how right that statement has been for the last 30 years of being a Lions fan. It’s nothing new.

  16. JSpicoli says: Mar 14, 2013 4:30 PM

    Eliminating what could have been the greatest angle shooting opportunity in an NFL game.

  17. brendanragan says: Mar 14, 2013 4:31 PM

    If a coach erroneously throws a red flag in a game, he should have to wear it around his neck like a cravat so everyone can see what buffoon he is.

  18. 49faithful says: Mar 14, 2013 4:33 PM

    NFFL – National Flag Football League

  19. golonger says: Mar 14, 2013 4:51 PM

    The real burning questions on everyone’s mind 1)Does “logicalvoicesays” have a job or a life? and 2) Have you ever seen a bigger contradiction in a name?

  20. moeman79 says: Mar 14, 2013 4:59 PM

    Lolions

  21. beavertonsteve says: Mar 14, 2013 5:00 PM

    “If the replay assistant chooses incorrectly not to call for an on-field review, the coach could still initiate the process by throwing the red challenge flag.”

    Finally. This was one of the most frustrating things about the challenge rules.

  22. moeman79 says: Mar 14, 2013 5:03 PM

    @hawks1124- it not a new rule been around, just lions HC is not very smart.

  23. blackngold4life says: Mar 14, 2013 5:12 PM

    yeah..another REDICULOUS rule

  24. thefiesty1 says: Mar 14, 2013 5:42 PM

    If the coaches don’t know the rules they should’t be coaching in the league. Take that Swartz.

  25. muffedpunts says: Mar 14, 2013 6:02 PM

    pass any rule you want, there’s no fix for stupid jim shwartz

  26. icewalker946 says: Mar 14, 2013 6:13 PM

    avoidtheboyd says: Mar 14, 2013 3:59 PM

    I think they’re still booing at Ford Field…
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    You mean the Lions are playing a game today?

  27. gavinmac says: Mar 14, 2013 6:45 PM

    So if a pass is blown dead as incomplete, and a defender scoops up the ball and jogs into the end zone with no one chasing him, and then replay shows that it was actually a catch and fumble, this is now a defensive touchdown? That’s a bad rule change.

  28. bearsfankarnik87 says: Mar 14, 2013 8:22 PM

    Why bother to have plays that are “automatically” reviewed? Just give coaches all the challenges they want until they miss two attempts. Isn’t that simpler and easier? Instead of having a coach wonder “do I challenge this or is it going upstairs” he can just challenge with the only fear being that if he loses he loses a timeout. Once he loses two challenges, he can’t challenge anymore. But if he’s right all the time, why penalize him for being right by limiting his opportunities? Do away with automatic replays.

  29. seattlenative57 says: Mar 14, 2013 8:42 PM

    It was a stupid rule to begin with.

  30. marc2k6 says: Mar 14, 2013 9:21 PM

    That rule was dumber than most of these comments!

  31. ike1973 says: Mar 15, 2013 10:17 AM

    For all those commenting on coach Schwartz, he was challenging that the runner was down and threw the flag before he scored. It should not have been interpreted that he was challenging a scoring play that gets reviewed automatically.

    I still say the best way to fix this challenge mess is to go with the college system.

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