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Competition Committee proposes scrapping the tuck rule

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The tuck rule may be no more.

The Competition Committee explained during a Thursday media conference call that it has proposed the scuttling of the tuck rule.  The owners will vote on the change next week in Arizona.

Under the new rule (if it is passed), a quarterback who has pumped the ball and who loses possession while bringing the ball back into his torso will be deemed to have fumbled.  Under the current rule (and as Raiders fans know too well) it is an incomplete pass.

The strangest aspect of the decision to eliminate the tuck rule is that there has been no recent, high-profile incident that has prompted the move.  Chairman Rich McKay explained that officials persuaded the Competition Committee to make the change during the meetings that resulted in this year’s wave of proposed rule changes.

Actually, it appeared that the officials already took matters into their own hands, during the Ravens-Broncos playoff game.

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71 Responses to “Competition Committee proposes scrapping the tuck rule”
  1. harrisonhits2 says: Mar 14, 2013 3:37 PM

    Commence 400+ whining posts by Raiders fans in 3-2-1….

  2. gochargersgo says: Mar 14, 2013 3:37 PM

    No surprise. The refs sucked at calling it correctly.

  3. nathan702nelson says: Mar 14, 2013 3:37 PM

    LOL

  4. ogascadan says: Mar 14, 2013 3:38 PM

    This should have been the rule all along!

  5. steelerben says: Mar 14, 2013 3:38 PM

    I guess everyone just realized what a stupid rule it was?

  6. flavordave says: Mar 14, 2013 3:39 PM

    the NFL better start working on a Chip Kelly rule. They’re going to need a way to slow down his intricate potent offensive attack. Shock the world is a comin.

  7. logicalvoicesays says: Mar 14, 2013 3:39 PM

    The National Fixed League will cheat whenever they want. Trust me…they constantly try to screw over the Washington Redskins.

  8. iamedreed says: Mar 14, 2013 3:41 PM

    this rule is terrible and is never called consistently because its such a judgement based call

  9. randallflagg52 says: Mar 14, 2013 3:42 PM

    The shadiest “dynasty” ever in the history of sports. With Welker gone maybe the pats can afford some state of the art video cameras.

  10. tjacks7 says: Mar 14, 2013 3:43 PM

    Better late than never. Terrible rule.

  11. blackngold4life says: Mar 14, 2013 3:43 PM

    Worse rule ever made..or CREATED on the fly is more like it..Ashame it lasted this long

  12. chawk12thman says: Mar 14, 2013 3:43 PM

    No Brainer! It needs to be changed.

  13. camdenyard says: Mar 14, 2013 3:44 PM

    Sure, why not…after all, it served its purpose. Right Tom?

  14. rajbais says: Mar 14, 2013 3:44 PM

    Get rid of the tuck rule!!!

    A fake pass is NO pass!!!

  15. pencilmonkeymagic says: Mar 14, 2013 3:45 PM

    Well, getting rid of it is better than arguing indefinitely about its interpretation.

  16. raiderapologist says: Mar 14, 2013 3:45 PM

    Makes sense. If the quarterback loses the ball while not attempting a pass, it should be a fumble.

  17. ItIsWhatitis says: Mar 14, 2013 3:48 PM

    Have some cheese with that whine?

  18. Nofoolnodrool says: Mar 14, 2013 3:51 PM

    randallflagg52 | Mar 14, 2013, 3:42 PM EDT
    The shadiest “dynasty” ever in the history of sports. With Welker gone maybe the pats can afford some state of the art video cameras.

    That’s rich coming from a fan base that cries about the refs win or lose. Maybe with some of the SB riches some crying towels could be purchased?

  19. steelerben says: Mar 14, 2013 3:52 PM

    Just to be clear, it is still a fumble if you drop the ball after running into your lineman’s butt, right?

  20. jimmymarlinsfan says: Mar 14, 2013 3:53 PM

    Worst rule in professional sports

  21. bubbybrister/shovelpass says: Mar 14, 2013 3:53 PM

    It was a fumble, dang it!

    -signed: A. Davis’ ghost

  22. deathmonkey41 says: Mar 14, 2013 3:53 PM

    Unless it adversely affects Tom Brady and the Patriots…then it will be re-instituted temporarily.

  23. xxsweepthelegxx says: Mar 14, 2013 3:55 PM

    randallflagg52 says:
    Mar 14, 2013 3:42 PM
    The shadiest “dynasty” ever in the history of sports. With Welker gone maybe the pats can afford some state of the art video cameras.
    ————————–
    Because they won how many championships with Welker??? Crickets…..crickets….. ok, I thought so. Pointless statement from a perennial crybaby

  24. johnniemayes says: Mar 14, 2013 3:55 PM

    “no recent, high-profile incident that has prompted the move.”

    It happened to Peyton Manning in the Ravens playoff game. He tucked it and it was ruled a fumble. The ref even reviewed the play and still ruled it a fumble even though it should’ve been the tuck rule.

    I’m glad they’re scrapping it. There’s too much to take into consideration and makes it more of a judgement call.

  25. bayarea510 says: Mar 14, 2013 3:55 PM

    They waited till Al died. They didn’t want to give him the satisfaction of admiting it was a bad rule.

  26. ispokethetruth says: Mar 14, 2013 3:57 PM

    Always been a iffy, unsure what was going to be called from the replay booth rule.

  27. Cereal says: Mar 14, 2013 4:03 PM

    Why does it take a committee to tear down what Tagliabu established one snowy night in the middle of a game ?

  28. vegasbearfan says: Mar 14, 2013 4:04 PM

    WOW finally — Patriots will hate it- reduces the ability of the refs to cheat for them . They never deserved to be in the first Superbowl. AL DAVIS – rest in peace- you were screwed.

  29. harrisonhits2 says: Mar 14, 2013 4:05 PM

    ‘deathmonkey41 says:
    Mar 14, 2013 3:53 PM
    Unless it adversely affects Tom Brady and the Patriots…then it will be re-instituted temporarily.”

    You obviously don’t realize the Pats lost a game to the Jets in 2001 in large part due to the tuck rule being called in favor of the Jets.

    Another freaking genius member of the tin foil hat and propellor beanie club.

  30. mwindle1973 says: Mar 14, 2013 4:05 PM

    I think it’s a good rule, until that QB has completed the tuck into the torso, it’s not a tuck. He’s still a QB in a throwing motion with his arm coming forward. And it’s still as difficult to judge, regardless. It’s hard to say a QB is tucking until the ball is near the torso. Otherwise you don’t know if he’s giong to flip the ball out or what. Remember any forward throwing of the balll is a pass. A flip forward, a toss, etc. It doesn’t have to be your standard over the top delivery of the pass

  31. vegasbearfan says: Mar 14, 2013 4:08 PM

    Another BS situation – same stuff happened to Brady in 01 and Paton in Ravens game. Refs make call in Brady favor , but go against Manning. What BS- tell me that Patriots don’t get preferred treatment – I say BS>

  32. harrisonhits2 says: Mar 14, 2013 4:09 PM

    “Cereal says:
    Mar 14, 2013 4:03 PM
    Why does it take a committee to tear down what Tagliabu established one snowy night in the middle of a game ?”

    Another freaking genius.

    See my comment above about the Pats losing a game earlier that year against the Jets because of the tuck rule. And add the following knowledge.

    The Tuck Rule was instituted several years prior to 2001. Statistics are the every team had it called in favor of their opponent about once a year.

    At least educate yourself about what you want to complain about.

  33. jnbnet says: Mar 14, 2013 4:13 PM

    johnniemayes says:
    Mar 14, 2013 3:55 PM
    “no recent, high-profile incident that has prompted the move.”

    It happened to Peyton Manning in the Ravens playoff game.

    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==–=
    Not a Denver fan at all…but they did get screwed on that one. If the Zebras can’t get it right, then get rid of the rule

  34. MichaelEdits says: Mar 14, 2013 4:15 PM

    I thought the plan was always to scrap the Tuck Rule the day after Tom Brady retired.

  35. dowhatifeellike says: Mar 14, 2013 4:16 PM

    Good. It’s a bad rule. You can’t make calls based on intent. Either the QB threw the ball or he didn’t. It’s either a forward pass or a fumble.

  36. fjpike1105 says: Mar 14, 2013 4:22 PM

    I’m a Pat’s fan to the death but I do agree this “tuck rule” is vague and judgmental at best. The Pat’s Raiders game where the Pat’s got the call, it did make-up for the infamous “1976 AFC Championship Game, Ray Hamilton roughing the passer call”.

  37. swagger52 says: Mar 14, 2013 4:28 PM

    The issue is NOT that it is difficult to officiate, or that it rarely comes up. The issue is WHY would Norm Coleman change the outcome of a PLAYOFF game by making a call that has NEVER been called before, that nobody had even heard? If it weren’t for that game, that stupid rule would still be in remission.

    Why wasn’t a review called on the Lee Evans play at the end of the Ravens-Patriots game in 2011? You know where it was a close play in the final 2 minutes? That is ALWAYS called in the regular season, even for games that are 52-0. Why was a review not called? Forget about whether or not you think Lee Evans caught the pass. That is NOT the issue. The issue is why was an obvious review of the play not called.

    Hmmm…Suggs was Right

  38. swagger52 says: Mar 14, 2013 4:29 PM

    The plan was to scrap the Tuck Rule after Tom Brady retired! Given that Wes Welker is no longer there to bail him out with 5 yard passes, Brady is essentially retired.

  39. giantsfan2104 says: Mar 14, 2013 4:30 PM

    Finally!

  40. kennyscales says: Mar 14, 2013 4:32 PM

    Its about time they got rid of this stupid rule!!!!

  41. JSpicoli says: Mar 14, 2013 4:32 PM

    The rule whose name you don’t speak of in my house

  42. Matt says: Mar 14, 2013 4:34 PM

    As a Raiders fan who witnessed the best team of my youth get robbed by a bad call in one of the most famous playoff games ever, I can say a lot of things about the Tuck Rule.

    What bothers me the most about all of this is that the league never even considered revising the rule until after Al Davis died.

    Change came a year too late. Shame on you, NFL.

  43. luckyarmpit says: Mar 14, 2013 4:34 PM

    No kidding. Glad to see the Tom Brady rule be eliminated. Doesn’t really matter now to you, Tommy Boy, since it’s served its purpose, eh?

  44. swagger52 says: Mar 14, 2013 4:34 PM

    This will be like the illegal chuck rule that Brady and Bellichek used to win a Superbowl against the Rams. Patriots were doing that all the way down the field. So they changed the rule to be illegal contact, so the Patriots couldn’t get away with that again. Hmmm..How did that work out?

    Okay..somebody look up..

    Question: Which QB has had the most 3rd down by illegal contact penalty the last ten years?

    Answer: Tom Brady

    Question: Which team has been the least penalized for illegal contact downfield?

    Answer: New England Patriots

    RefsoHard University

  45. skleech22 says: Mar 14, 2013 4:36 PM

    Thats why the Patriots should have an asterisk by their first Super Bowl win! Worst call ever in Professional sports!

  46. swagger52 says: Mar 14, 2013 4:39 PM

    The NFL decided to protect Tom Brady’s legacy.

    Twenty Years from now, if the Tuck rule were still in place, all fans would say..Tuck Rule, that was a fumble, where did that come from? Then CBX would have to say..that was called when Tom Brady fumbled in the Raider playoff game.

    Ooops…we can’t have that. Lets get rid of it now so nobody remembers how Tom stole his first Superbowl.

  47. skleech22 says: Mar 14, 2013 4:41 PM

    I feel bad for the Raiders, they could have won the Super Bowl that year legitimately!!!

  48. FoozieGrooler says: Mar 14, 2013 4:50 PM

    Good idea.

    It was only used ONCE.

  49. Nofoolnodrool says: Mar 14, 2013 4:50 PM

    swagger52 | Mar 14, 2013, 4:39 PM EDT
    The NFL decided to protect Tom Brady’s legacy.

    Twenty Years from now, if the Tuck rule were still in place, all fans would say..Tuck Rule, that was a fumble, where did that come from? Then CBX would have to say..that was called when Tom Brady fumbled in the Raider playoff game.

    Ooops…we can’t have that. Lets get rid of it now so nobody remembers how Tom stole his first Superbowl.

    Ok we got it you have a stiffy for the Pats and Brady. Quit crying you can’t change it and your whining like a child….sssshhh go polish your Lombardi and quit crying.

  50. jetsjetsjetsnow says: Mar 14, 2013 4:51 PM

    If a QB is holding the ball he has possession, if he losses possession it is a fumble… Duh & Duh. Enough of this is the arm going forward or arm going backward stuff!! Enough Enough… does he has possession or not, simple!!! This is by gar the most retarded rule ever created in the history of the game & it goes against the most basics of football fundamentals!!!

  51. thetooloftools says: Mar 14, 2013 4:53 PM

    A fumble is a fumble.

  52. swagger52 says: Mar 14, 2013 5:00 PM

    Cindy Brady has updated his facebook page to NOT like Wes Welker.

  53. noringcircus says: Mar 14, 2013 5:05 PM

    It was a fumble and the Raiders got rob of a chance to go the Super Bowl.

  54. phinfan says: Mar 14, 2013 5:22 PM

    This will happen when Tom Brady retires

  55. deacon85 says: Mar 14, 2013 5:29 PM

    steelerben says:
    Mar 14, 2013 3:52 PM
    Just to be clear, it is still a fumble if you drop the ball after running into your lineman’s butt, right?
    _______________________

    Hilarious, steelerben, I couldn’t stop laughing!

    But on the rule itself: It was 12 years ago folks, if you haven’t gotten over it yet, I guess you never will. So live in perpetual rage, if you want, but the Patriots and their fans (like me) live in the present. Thanks Wes, now let’s turn the page and reload for next season.

  56. thefiesty1 says: Mar 14, 2013 5:41 PM

    That is the ONLY reason the Pats won that game.

  57. sbaltimore says: Mar 14, 2013 5:49 PM

    It’s about time. Worse. Rule. Ever.

  58. micknangold says: Mar 14, 2013 5:51 PM

    Teddy Bruschi is the only Patriot I’ve ever respected.

  59. flash1283 says: Mar 14, 2013 6:02 PM

    swagger52 says:
    Mar 14, 2013 4:34 PM
    This will be like the illegal chuck rule that Brady and Bellichek used to win a Superbowl against the Rams. Patriots were doing that all the way down the field. So they changed the rule to be illegal contact, so the Patriots couldn’t get away with that again. Hmmm..How did that work out?

    Okay..somebody look up..

    Question: Which QB has had the most 3rd down by illegal contact penalty the last ten years?

    Answer: Tom Brady

    Question: Which team has been the least penalized for illegal contact downfield?

    Answer: New England Patriots

    RefsoHard University

    —–

    What fan of another team is extremely jealous of the Patriots and shows it by posting the same lame comments about the Patriots all the time?

    Answer: Swagger52

    Crysohard University

    Oh and it’s funny how Ravens fans will try so hard to dis Brady but defend a scumbag like Suggs. You know the guy the beat his soon to be wife and threatened to pour bleach on her and there child.

  60. radrntn says: Mar 14, 2013 6:06 PM

    it was and always will be a fumble.

  61. monkeesfan says: Mar 14, 2013 6:24 PM

    No, it wasn’t. The objective truth is it was an incomplete pass and the call was correct.

    Why the competition committee wants this change is baffling, because the Tuck Rule exists for a reason.

  62. wesleyt4 says: Mar 14, 2013 6:32 PM

    So you pump fake and drop the ball. That’s a fumble? Huh, who would have thought of that?

  63. tooz72 says: Mar 14, 2013 6:38 PM

    Refs have always had it out for Al Davis and the Raiders

  64. rayguyreturns says: Mar 14, 2013 6:49 PM

    “a quarterback who has pumped the ball and who loses possession while bringing the ball back into his torso will be deemed to have fumbled ”
    _____________________________
    Wow. What a revelation (sarcasm).

  65. j0esixpack says: Mar 14, 2013 6:49 PM

    Why don’t they just change the rule so it applies to all other teams EXCEPT the Patriots.

    That’s what Raiders fans have been demanding for more than a decade -

    Even though everyone agrees it was correctly applied, and the competition committee has kept it on the books for another 12 years, Raiders fans are still convinced that the Patriots “cheated” because the officials called the rule as it was intended to be called.

  66. chiwizlive says: Mar 14, 2013 6:55 PM

    Tuck the Tuck Rule or should I say “The Brady Only Rule” hence they only call it for him,cause I could’ve sworn that rule didn’t work for Manning against the ravens in the playoffs,but the pats can thank the league for spearheading there title run by cheating the raiders with that bogus rule!!!!

    #BroncoNation

  67. deadunicorn says: Mar 14, 2013 7:02 PM

    The Patriots don’t cheat!!!!!!

    O wait, yes they do…multiple ways and all the time…lol

  68. swagger52 says: Mar 14, 2013 7:26 PM

    What fan of another team is extremely jealous of the Patriots and shows it by posting the same lame comments about the Patriots all the time?

    Answer: Swagger52

    Crysohard University

    Oh and it’s funny how Ravens fans will try so hard to dis Brady but defend a scumbag like Suggs. You know the guy the beat his soon to be wife and threatened to pour bleach on her and there child.

    Oh please..

    I am not defending Suggs off the field any more than I would defend Cindy Brady. Lets not diffuse the issue to something you think you can win…The issue is the integrity of the NFL. The issue is can you just sit down on Sunday and not worry about what the Refs are going to do to help Cindy Brady this week. This is not about Suggs, what you think of Suggs, or what I think of Suggs. This is about having the NFL be the game that everybody can enjoy on Sunday and debate on Monday, without being reminded of things like Las Vegas.

  69. swagger52 says: Mar 14, 2013 7:31 PM

    Amazing how things have changed….

    During that play, Tom Brady was on the sideline already off the field, resolved to the fact that the tuck rule game was over and they were not advancing.

    Fast forward to 10 years later and all the rules that have been created to have the refs insert themselves into the game…And what has happened?

    Take that same play and Cindy Brady fumbles…Now…Cindy Brady throws all kind of tantrums on the field, yelling about tuck rule, demanding his way….and then the Refs giving it to him and CBX defends the undefensible.

    Thank you Tom Brady, thank you Walt Coleman, and thank you whoever paid for that.

  70. mullman76 says: Mar 14, 2013 8:33 PM

    It was a fumble.

    Anyone who thinks otherwise is just an antagonist looking to get a rise.

    Woodson hit Brady clean, ball came out, Raiders recovered.

    Phone call was made, Kraft started writing a check and the commish signed off on it.

    The NFL hated Al Davis and they still try to kick him even when he’s gone.

    RIP Mr. Davis, you were one of the greats.

  71. speedkills21 says: Mar 14, 2013 10:24 PM

    I can hear Al rolling over in his dirt-nap!!

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