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Cardinals get better, but how much better?

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Now that the Cardinals have acquired quarterback Carson Palmer for the NFL’s equivalent of the bowl of soup that comes with an ugly hat, it’s time to look at what the Cardinals have gotten.

Actually, a pretty good quarterback.

As team spokesman Mark Dalton has pointed out on Twitter, Palmer was one of eight quarterbacks last year to throw for more than 4,000 yards, 20 or more touchdown passes, a completion percentage of 65 or more, and a passer rating of 85.0 or higher.

The other seven?  Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Tony Romo, Matt Ryan, and Matt Schaub.

Of course, if the Raiders felt that strongly about Palmer’s abilities for 2013, they would have been happy to pay him $13 million this year.  They weren’t.  Instead of cutting him, they’ll possibly get a seventh-round pick in 2014 after blowing a first-round pick in 2012 and a second-round pick in 2013 on a guy who, stats notwithstanding, led the team to a 4-12 record.

Like Alex Smith said last year, plenty of passing yardage comes when a bad team is playing from behind.

And so Palmer jumps from one bad team to another.  It’s not clear how much better the Cardinals will be with Palmer, but the division has gotten dramatically better in recent years.  Which means it’s likely that Palmer’s 10-year streak of not winning in the postseason will continue.

And that’s the one key stat that distinguishes Palmer from the seven quarterbacks listed above.  Each has won at lease one career playoff game.

Palmer has none.

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66 Responses to “Cardinals get better, but how much better?”
  1. jam11163 says: Apr 2, 2013 2:07 PM

    and if romo wasent there. the playoff wins would be atleast what ??? lol

  2. tjzoo says: Apr 2, 2013 2:09 PM

    50% of those 4000 yards were garbage yards, the Raider’s record speaks for it

  3. 1nationraidernation says: Apr 2, 2013 2:09 PM

    it’s amazing how when you wear a silver and black uniform, you are old, washed up, terrible, and the second you put on a new uniform you are good……i have 20 millions reasons to think over the next two years that cancer will consume the cards.

  4. logicalvoicesays says: Apr 2, 2013 2:09 PM

    Thank God I’ma Redskins fan. #WeareinControl

  5. scrp2 says: Apr 2, 2013 2:11 PM

    Wow, this tells me the Raiders problems are not at quarterback.

  6. nineroutsider says: Apr 2, 2013 2:12 PM

    If they want to maximize his potential they better scramble to get a decent line around him. He is a great addition for them though because of that defense. They don’t have to ask a lot of their offense; it just can’t kill them. Their defense is very underrated and was put in a lot of bad spots last year. They will be a force in the division and a team that has to be taken seriously.

  7. doe22us says: Apr 2, 2013 2:13 PM

    Playing from behind, no motivation, countless pick 6’s. Yep he will fit right in with the Cards. Since he got injured, the dude has looked a shell of himself.

  8. competitivecompetitioncompeter says: Apr 2, 2013 2:14 PM

    Before he got hurt, the long balls Carson Palmer threw were things of beauty. Big fat rainbows, punt-high, dropped in a bucket, 50+ yards in the air with touch.

    Now he has average-at-best arm strength, and there was never another part of his game that stood out. Not mobile, doesn’t adjust all that much at the line, doesn’t stand tall in the pocket, and any leadership qualities/locker-room credibility he has will have taken a substantial hit from all the “business” moves he’s made.

    That being said, he’s still the best QB on the Cards’ roster by a country mile.

  9. torturedraiderfan says: Apr 2, 2013 2:22 PM

    His stats look good, but he always seemed to throw an interception at the worst time. For the Raiders, it’s addition by subtraction. The conditional draft pick is just window dressing. Thanks Hue for the greatest trade in football…….you moron.

  10. sjsuraider says: Apr 2, 2013 2:23 PM

    Wow how does it feel when you’re put in a category with tony romo and Matt schaub and they’re both valued more than you

  11. briscocountyjr says: Apr 2, 2013 2:24 PM

    He beat Flacco, BIG surprise– looks like a lot of teams are looking better than the ravens.

  12. raiderredleg says: Apr 2, 2013 2:24 PM

    Raiders get AZ’s 6th round 2013 pick…Get your facts straight THEN add your “wit”.

    Thank goodness CP3 went to USC instead of WVU…He would then become “Brett Farve Incarnate” and every other post on PFT would be about CP3!

  13. habsfanatic says: Apr 2, 2013 2:25 PM

    There’s a lot of talent on the Cards’ roster and if it weren’t for abysmal QB play the past couple seasons their record would be much different. Palmer is not a top 10 QB anymore but he’s very capable and coming to a QB-friendly system. If the team can solidify the O-line in the draft the Cards should be in much better shape going into next season.

  14. seahawksteven777 says: Apr 2, 2013 2:25 PM

    It’s easy to throw for 4,000+ yards when the team you played for was terrible and thus always playing from behind.

  15. ncm42 says: Apr 2, 2013 2:25 PM

    The play he got hurt on, a bomb in the playoffs against PITT. Sad to wonder how his career would have gone if not for that injury…

  16. wtfpft says: Apr 2, 2013 2:27 PM

    Hue Jackson ladies and gentlemen…Surprised Al didn’t rise from the dead to stop him from making that deal.

  17. lunarpie says: Apr 2, 2013 2:28 PM

    With all due respect to Carson Palmer and his elite-8 status 2K12, the Raiders benefited more than Arizona in this trade. First, the salary cap cushion just grew in Oakland. Reggie McKenzie needs to keep stacking the roster with younger seemingly unseen talent. Second, Carson Palmer has yet to convince most NFL fans like Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Tony Romo, Matt Ryan, and Matt Schaub.

    Overall, the Oakland Raiders just picked up a young potential star quarterback in Matt Flynn and freed up more money to fill the holes on Defense. KEEP DOING WHAT YOU’RE DOING, REGGIE!!!!

  18. justintuckrule says: Apr 2, 2013 2:31 PM

    SF or Seattle will have a letdown year, likely SF being the SB loser.

    Palmer is now on the best team he’s ever played on and will be throwing to one of the greatest WRs of all time. With their defense being above average, I can see AZ overtaking one of the above for a WC spot.

  19. snnyjcbs says: Apr 2, 2013 2:33 PM

    Add up all the [points he scores for the other team all his Pick Sixes and you can see why nobody but AZ came calling.

    Your value is what the market says it is and Palmer had his value charted at next to nothing. When you have a mind and Heart like Jeff George and have shown the NFL you are a quitter I am surprised the Raiders received anything for him.

  20. wikipediasaidso says: Apr 2, 2013 2:34 PM

    Yeah, but Larry Fitzgerald is probably still doing cartwheels over this deal. Palmer at least resembles a real NFL starting QB.

  21. 49erstim says: Apr 2, 2013 2:35 PM

    “Pick-6″ Palmer is in the NFC West! Yes!

  22. eaglesw00t says: Apr 2, 2013 2:37 PM

    Palmer throwing to Fitz makes them much better.

    Tough division, but I would bet on the Cards going 8-8 with Palmer. As long as he stays healthy, I think the Cards are the surprise team this year

  23. explosionsauce says: Apr 2, 2013 2:37 PM

    jam11163 says:
    Apr 2, 2013 2:07 PM
    and if romo wasent there. the playoff wins would be atleast what ??? lol
    ———————-

    One, still.

  24. nflfolly says: Apr 2, 2013 2:39 PM

    Cardinal fans want to thank Reggie Mckenzie for giving away your starting QB for almost nothing.

  25. explosionsauce says: Apr 2, 2013 2:39 PM

    Forgot schaub got over the hump.

  26. daysend564 says: Apr 2, 2013 2:44 PM

    Threw for over 4000 yards, yet I can’t name a receiver on their roster!!!

  27. jimmyt says: Apr 2, 2013 2:47 PM

    Lofty stats don’t always equal a winner, especially when you are a whiner.

  28. studio26seattle says: Apr 2, 2013 2:48 PM

    What tha!!!!!…..

    Palmer + Raiders 7th round pick = Cardinals 6th round pick!!!

    Turrible!!!

  29. jerryjonesmustdie83 says: Apr 2, 2013 2:49 PM

    Attention all defensive backs of the NFC West, Pick Six Palmer has arrived!

  30. atwatercrushesokoye says: Apr 2, 2013 2:55 PM

    Palmer will have more success in Arizona than Flynn or Alex Smith will have with their two teams.

  31. kingdm8 says: Apr 2, 2013 2:56 PM

    The Cardinals aren’t that far away from being good. The QB play the last two seasons has been the worst I have seen since they got here in 1988. People keep clamoring about the OL being upgraded, but they seem to forget that Levi Brown was lost before the season to a triceps injury and they had plenty of other injuries up front that contributed to three rookies being thrown in the fire before they were ready. Nate Potter actually played better down the stretch. With Brown coming back and those three rookies now playing with some experience, the line should be much better if they add a player like Eric Fisher or Lane Johnson at number 7. The D is already solid. This team is going to surprise some people this season.

  32. gromit45 says: Apr 2, 2013 2:58 PM

    For next year, I want the Cards to dump Palmer and pickup Mark Sanchez so they will have employed the trifecta of good USC QBs turned not-so-good pro QBs.

  33. maiphatdong says: Apr 2, 2013 3:12 PM

    Plenty of former oakland Raiders have come out and said that it was no fun playing in oakland, and that the entire atmosphere was “we don’t care”. Its contagious, and thats why when a player leaves Oakland, they do automatically get better without playing a single game yet.

  34. mazblast says: Apr 2, 2013 3:19 PM

    IIRC three of those seven QBs mentioned have all of ONE playoff win. Yes, it’s one more than Carson “I went to USC, you must worship my greatness” Palmer, but in the case of Oh-No Romo and “Matty Ice”, it’s still not much to speak of.

    USC and Notre Dame. One of the great college football rivalries–and possibly the source of more overrated, unsuccessful NFL QBs than any.

  35. kuhawks2010 says: Apr 2, 2013 3:21 PM

    And the Cardinals are still the worst team in that division…

  36. gbrim says: Apr 2, 2013 3:22 PM

    For Cards, Palmer pickup beats drafting a QB early that you really don’t believe in, and beats relying on Stanton to be a first time starter. If it doesn’t work out, it cost you only salary and a 6th/7th round draft pick switch, because he will never see 13 starts if the Cards are not happy with results, not that another 7th round pick is much anyway.

    Compare this deal by Keim, to the Kolb deal by Graves/Whiz. Gotta be happy Keim is in charge now.

  37. doitbigreggiemckenzie says: Apr 2, 2013 3:22 PM

    maiphatdong says:
    Apr 2, 2013 3:12 PM
    Plenty of former oakland Raiders have come out and said that it was no fun playing in oakland, and that the entire atmosphere was “we don’t care”. Its contagious, and thats why when a player leaves Oakland, they do automatically get better without playing a single game yet.

    ___________________________________

    That was the old Oakland. Oakland is being rebuilt and getting rid of those attitudes. Just ask a guy like Tommy Kelly.

    We’ll see how much better old these former Raiders do in their new digs, but I wouldn’t expect much more than what they showed here.

  38. rayguyreturns says: Apr 2, 2013 3:22 PM

    “stats notwithstanding, led the team to a 4-12 record.”
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    If you ever bothered to watch a game you’d know it was the awful Raider defense that had Palmer playing from behind every game. So, he didn’t “lead” the team to a 4-12 record. The defense did. The Raiders won 4 games IN SPITE of the defense BECAUSE of Palmer.

  39. jeremycrowhurst says: Apr 2, 2013 3:29 PM

    The Cardinals have the worst organization in the NFL. In 2008 they got a good coach, a Hall of Fame QB, RB, and WR, and they went 8-8. They maxed out at 10-6 two years later as the rest of their division got weaker, then they tanked.

    Carson Palmer is no Kurt Warner, and unfortunately Bill Bidwell is still Bill Bidwell. They may improve on last year’s 5-11, but I’m not sure I’d bet on it: their 1-11 finish better represents who they were than their 4-0 start.

  40. phreakin says: Apr 2, 2013 3:35 PM

    I love Raider fan complaining about the pic 6’s from Palmer and at the same time saying that he threw for 4000 yards because he was always playing from behind and he really sucks. So if he’s playing from behind and throwing for 4000+ yards, what do you think the chances are he was forcing a lot of balls to receivers because he was trying to make a miracle happen?

    I love in Arizona but not a Cards fan. That being said, Fitz will help with Palmer’s attitude. And as much as Raider fans wanna believe, you didn’t have a number #1 receiver in Oakland. Your #1 is now in Indy.

  41. phreakin says: Apr 2, 2013 3:36 PM

    jeremycrowhurst:

    Bill Bidwell hasn’t had anything to do with the team since they got their stadium deal. He’s collecting a check while Michael Bidwell runs the team now.

  42. justintuckrule says: Apr 2, 2013 3:43 PM

    Lets see. In his career, Palmer’s best WRs were the venerable Darrius Heyward-Bey, TJ Houshmandzedah, and, oh yea…Ocho Cinco.

    He’s going to a team with Larry Fitzgerald and young highly drafted WRs.

    He’ll be fine.

  43. sgmjerry220 says: Apr 2, 2013 3:46 PM

    Seriously, everybody piling on Carson. The disgust belongs with the Raiders. Outside of wins, Carson produced 13 million salary stats on a very bad team. Look at Detroit, they are paying stafford 20 million+ for better stats, but still only 4 wins.
    If Arizona invests in protecting Palmer, watch his stats go up and so will the wins.

  44. goldrush36 says: Apr 2, 2013 3:47 PM

    Mike Sando did a nice comparison to how Palmer would’ve faired against his NFCW counterparts. Other than yds its not pretty and overall he would have been 5th in the division if Alex Smith were counted in there as well

  45. mullman76 says: Apr 2, 2013 3:52 PM

    The Raiders had no choice. They wanted to keep him, but at $13mil there was no chance.

    The Raiders are getting their house in order and cleaning up the books.

    2013 looks to be rough, but brighter days are ahead.

    They have to be…

  46. southpaw2k says: Apr 2, 2013 4:04 PM

    mullman76 says:
    Apr 2, 2013 3:52 PM
    The Raiders had no choice. They wanted to keep him, but at $13mil there was no chance.

    The Raiders are getting their house in order and cleaning up the books.

    2013 looks to be rough, but brighter days are ahead.

    They have to be…

    —————————————————

    Like when? 2020?

  47. gudy2shoes says: Apr 2, 2013 4:05 PM

    Richard Sherman is lovin it! You mad Bro?

  48. clssylssy says: Apr 2, 2013 4:16 PM

    The Cards HAD talent that Keim has quickly desimated first by firinng our DC, Ray Horton (too much of a threat to the “new regime” fearing he would control the locker room) then firing our safety tandem (Wilson & Rhodes) dismantling our special teams, and anything that was connected to Whisenhunt/Horton/Graves, only to replace them by players nobody has ever heard of. Players like Greg Toler and Quintin Groves were out the door before the Cards could open their mouth to make an offer. Now Palmer is given $20M PLUS two draft picks…WT? and the Raiders are enjoying the laugh of their life because despite Palmer’s creds he was locker room cancer and couldn’t get along with anybody! Poor Larry Fitzgerald deserves better but somethings in Cardinal land just don’t change. Looks like the plan must be to scratch this season to get the #1 pick next year. The Cards home schedule alone doesn’t give any hope for a single win…Falcons?Texans?Colts?9ers?Seahawks? Rams? Lions? Panthers?…forget about it…lol!

  49. truths4all says: Apr 2, 2013 4:22 PM

    In a nutshell, IF-IF-IF the Cards revamp their offensive line in a serious commitment to protect Palmer (that means no slow-footed, slow-reaction Levi Brown at tackle – left or right), Palmer will have a great season passing to Fitz, Roberts, Floyd, Housler, and Byrd. Ponder that during the next season when that happens, Raider fans.

  50. thebjones says: Apr 2, 2013 4:24 PM

    Any one can make numbers say what they want! He actually had a 61% completion rate and was just barely above each of those statistics ranking as the lowest of all 8 in each category.
    As a bengals fan that watched every play while he was here Carson will make some great players but his tendency to throw into triple coverage 10 times a game, still as a 10 year veteran will stop him from ever being a winner. He’s also not a good leader and doesn’t do the small things to help a team win

  51. garryjercia says: Apr 2, 2013 4:49 PM

    Those were mostly garbage time stats

  52. jjb0811 says: Apr 2, 2013 4:55 PM

    And that’s the final nail in the coffin for Palmer. Game over, good bye

  53. tiggerblood says: Apr 2, 2013 5:06 PM

    I believe Bruce Arians and Larry Fitzgerald is what exactly Carson Palmer needs to look like the QB he was 6-8 years ago. People seem to forget he dealt with a lot in Cincy on the leadership end of things he dealt with the attitude of Chad Johnson and for one year dealt with 2 of the worst egos ever in Johnson and Owens. The Marine Corps probably wouldn’t be able to straighten those 2 goofballs out and yet he managed.

  54. autumnwind999 says: Apr 2, 2013 5:06 PM

    Palmer had a cumulative total of about 130 more yards passing in the 2nd halves of games last year than the 1st halves. That’s about a 9-yard-per-game difference.

    Garbage-Time Stats Myth = BUSTED.

  55. Grinds My Gear says: Apr 2, 2013 5:10 PM

    Jeff George had a very good year with the Raiders in 1997, I believe. TD to INT ratio was elite like, but Raiders didn’t win. Palmer didn’t fit the offense we wanted to run, I would love to see Palmer rejuvenate his career at some point. Palmer to Fitz would be nice. Palmer wasn’t bad in Oakland, nor was he very good. We want to spread the ball out with intermediate routes, and Flynn/Pryor fits that mold better than Palmer.
    Hopefully for the Raiders, Flynn ends up having the same affect as Gannon did after they dumped George.

  56. autumnwind999 says: Apr 2, 2013 5:11 PM

    gromit45 says:Apr 2, 2013 2:58 PM

    For next year, I want the Cards to dump Palmer and pickup Mark Sanchez so they will have employed the trifecta of good USC QBs turned not-so-good pro QBs.

    ——————-

    Comparing Palmer’s pro career to those of Sanchez and Leinart is ludicrous.

    Get a clue.

  57. murfdeezy says: Apr 2, 2013 5:32 PM

    atwatercrushesokoye says: Apr 2, 2013 2:55 PM

    Palmer will have more success in Arizona than Flynn or Alex Smith will have with their two teams.
    ——————————————————————–

    You’re out of your mind. First of all…good luck in your division buddy. Secondly, you could have Joe Montana behind center and it wouldn’t matter…..because you let him get laid on his back 60 times a damn season. You gotta be kidding me. Arizona is talking smack now? Granted…we had a bad D last year, but you gave up 58 sacks, took about ten years off your QB’s career….and finished dead last in sacks allowed last year. Carson Palmer on the other hand, accrued half….that’s right half of his yardage in garbage time and despite what his stats say….never did anything remotely beyond being pedestrian…at best.

    However since you guys are so excited about his big flashy numbers, here are some you might find interesting. He threw for 22 TDs although he couldn’t buy his way into the endzone at the end of the season….and to go with that 14 picks….oh….and 5 fumbles for a total of 19 turnovers. Sooooo to me….22-19 not so impressive. You can have him. Oakland was 5th in the NFL last year in sacks allowed with 27 and Palmer still put the ball on the ground 5 times and in the other team’s lap 14 more. He also went 3 games without any touchdown passes and five more with only one. That’s 5 TDs in 8 games…sound spectacular to you. How about the fact that he threw AT LEAST 1 interception in 11 games last year. Does that sound appealing to you? With the 60ish sacks Arizona will be giving up in 2013….I will set the over/under on Palmer’s picks at 20….and I’ll take the over….even with Larry Fitzgerald. Oh….and those crappy Raiders’ receivers that nobody ever heard of were also ranked 5th in the NFL in yards after the catch last year. Just more credit Palmer doesn’t deserve….and likely also because teams were giving up stuff underneath in garbage time. Sorry birds. Don’t get your hopes up….just be happy he was cheap. We didn’t get that lucky. Thanks Hue…..moron.

  58. murfdeezy says: Apr 2, 2013 5:42 PM

    @ autumnwind999

    I am not mad at ya fellow Raider fan. I just don’t understand how you could think it was a myth if you watched the games last year. He was not a difference maker at any point last season. Is he terrible…maybe not…but we will be just as good with Flynn…or Jason Campbell for god sake. He is farther from the QB his stats say he is than the garbage time myth says he is. Raiders receivers were also fifth in the league in yards after the catch….with 2169 yards. That is over half of his amazing passing yards…..coming after the receiver has caught the ball. That stat doesn’t tell the whole story of course…..but neither do any stats. That’s my point. He never made a believer our of any Raider fan. I was bored by game four last year. It was gross.

  59. autumnwind999 says: Apr 2, 2013 5:58 PM

    murfdeezy says:Apr 2, 2013 5:42 PM

    @ autumnwind999

    I am not mad at ya fellow Raider fan. I just don’t understand how you could think it was a myth if you watched the games last year. He was not a difference maker at any point last season. Is he terrible…maybe not…but we will be just as good with Flynn…or Jason Campbell for god sake. He is farther from the QB his stats say he is than the garbage time myth says he is. Raiders receivers were also fifth in the league in yards after the catch….with 2169 yards. That is over half of his amazing passing yards…..coming after the receiver has caught the ball. That stat doesn’t tell the whole story of course…..but neither do any stats. That’s my point. He never made a believer our of any Raider fan. I was bored by game four last year. It was gross.

    ——————————

    – 28th ranked scoring defense
    – 28th ranked rushing offense
    – Very below average coaching staff

    That’s why we regressed from 8-8 the two seasons prior to 4-12 last year. Not Carson Palmer, who was the key to the 8th-ranked passing attack.

    As beat writer Paul Guitierrez noted in an interview he did with Florio on PFT yesterday, Carson Palmer was the Raiders’ best player last season. For a 4-12 team, that’s not saying a great deal, but it’s a fact.

    And McKenzie just gave him away for a swap of 6th-7th round picks. Good luck with that.

  60. spinmovr says: Apr 2, 2013 6:26 PM

    I don’t know all of Arizona’s problems but I know that Carson’s 4000 yards passing in 2012 came about because OAK’s running game was a joke. Essentially “garbage time” began in the first quarter when it was evident that McFadden or Reece were going to get stuffed by free roaming defenders.

    Also Palmer had 22TDs because he was only effective between the 20s. Red zone defenses feasted on OAK’s offense because the RBs couldn’t finish drives and the passing offense was too sloppy to operate in the short field. Young WRs and their soft routes plus no 6-5 receiver who can catch a fade route will do that to you.

    So give him a running game (again I don’t know about Cards’ situation) and he’s much more effective. Also Fitzgerald alone will make Palmer more effective in the red zone, to say nothing of what happens early in a drive.

    As a Raider fan I’m content with the moves we’re making in our pursuit of Jadaveon Clowney. Flynn at QB will probably be no worse than Jason Campbell in terms of effectiveness. He just has to not lose games and make 1 or 2 good plays a game and hope McFadden is hungry in his contract year.

  61. cmack21 says: Apr 2, 2013 6:50 PM

    Palmer threw a pick 6 after the interview

  62. mythaimyke says: Apr 2, 2013 7:21 PM

    Actually, a pretty BAD QB!

  63. murfdeezy says: Apr 2, 2013 9:20 PM

    @autumnwind999

    Hey, I already conceded that our D was gross. You will never get any argument here. I did not hate Carson Palmer before this bit of drama. However, I never believed he was a star….and his production last year did nothing to change that opinion. He is not terrible, but honestly, I don’t think he brings anything special to the table. He completed a ton of passes under ten yards and the receivers did the work after that. He also made a lot of poor decisions in critical moments and turned the ball over. Bad decisions as a veteran is not the same as bad decisions as a rookie. Bid difference. He should be far more careful with the ball at this point in his career. I’m just not impressed. You’re entitled to your opinion. I think we are better this year without him….granted much of that is a result of the coaching changes and the move back to the power blocking scheme….but I think we win more than four games this year….and our division will be tougher. I don’t know how many more…but more. We are moving in the right direction. Like I said…just my opinion man. I ain’t mad at ya. Go Raiders.

  64. xfthmx says: Apr 2, 2013 9:39 PM

    rayguyreturns says: Apr 2, 2013 3:22 PM

    If you ever bothered to watch a game you’d know it was the awful Raider defense that had Palmer playing from behind every game. So, he didn’t “lead” the team to a 4-12 record. The defense did. The Raiders won 4 games IN SPITE of the defense BECAUSE of Palmer.

    _______________________________________________

    Uhm, WRONG! You gotta score touchdowns to win, and in his last five appearances Palmer scored exactly ZERO.

  65. tiggerblood says: Apr 2, 2013 10:40 PM

    I hope McFadden and Marcel Reese leave too, see what they can do on a real team. They better have one hell of a draft or they’ll be lucky to get 4 wins again, oh well by week 8 we’ll be talking about the raiders trying to win the Clowney sweepstakes.

  66. thetwilightsown says: Apr 2, 2013 11:59 PM

    Any football fan that watched the Raiders last year could see this team was snakebit from the start. Bad decisions, bad performances (all you DMC apologists need to remember that every running back on the team averaged more ypc than DMC) and a whole lot of bad players left over from a bad 10-12 year stretch from a diminished Al Davis – no way you fix that in one season. Maybe not even two.
    The team needed Reggie MAcCHETE to cut the fat off the hard way and get back to real football operations. We’re headed in a good direction, just hope the patience required trims the remaining knucklhead contingent of our fan base. Beat it. RM will get it straight – already has done WAY more than anyone else has wanted to or could have – and we’ll be right back in the mix.
    Patience, Nation.

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