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Warner doesn’t think Pats cheated in Super Bowl, unless he does

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Hall of Fame running back Marshall Faulk pulls no punches when he ponders the loss to the Patriots in Super Bowl XXXVI.  In his mind, the Pats cheated.

Future (likely) Hall of Fame quarterback Kurt Warner takes a different view.  Recently, he expressed a more passive-aggressive opinion that stops short of accusation but sails past curiosity.

Warner has been making the rounds in support of The Moment, a new reality series on USA Network that gives those who believe they could have achieved their dreams if only they’d chased them a chance to scale the mountain without having to do very much climbing.

“I don’t look at it as tainted at all, that’s not the perspective that I choose to take,” Warner tells 411mania.com regarding the question of whether allegations of cheating tarnish the first of New England’s three Super Bowl wins.  “But with that being said, I will say that I don’t know how you can’t wonder, how you can’t wonder if something did happen, if there was an advantage.  I simply say that because to know that there was evidence out there, that there were tapes out there, but no one ever got to see the tapes — the Commissioner or whoever decided they were going to destroy them from what I understand — and so it continually leaves the question.  Being that it was a part of the history of our game and it was directly part of my history, part of the history of my organization and my teammates, and possibly could have affected my career long term, you have a question; did something go on?

“But I don’t allow that to taint or affect the way I look at it. The Patriots beat us in that game – they outplayed us, they deserved to win – but it’s hard to just let it go by saying, ‘Oh, I don’t know if anything happened.’ I still have a question on what exactly when down in that whole time period; did they get some kind of advantage? Maybe it wasn’t in our game but did they get some kind of advantage in any game?  I think it’s unfortunate for us and the people involved and for the people that are football fans that we have to even wonder ‘what if?’ but I’m not going to take that credit away from them and those players because I have really no idea what happened, if anything.  I’m not going to automatically chalk it up as they cheated or they did do something or did have something because I don’t know.  It’s unfortunate that I have to sit back and other players and fans have to sit back and wonder if.”

Warner could have shortened the answer up considerably by saying, “I’m not saying, I’m just saying.”

In Warner’s mind, the passage of time and an admittedly false report from the Boston Herald have morphed together into not-so-subtle accusations of skullduggery and subterfuge.  After the Patriots were caught taping defensive coaching signals during Week One of the 2007 season, no one suggested that their first Super Bowl win was in any way tainted — even though the Rams fell into that relatively narrow band of teams New England had played once before earlier in the season, giving the Patriots a chance to tape defensive coaching signals and in turn to crack the code regarding the blitzes, coverages, etc. for the rematch.

It wasn’t until two days before the Patriots’ attempt to finish the 2007 with a 19-0 record that the report surfaced of allegedly secret videotaping of the final St. Louis walk-through practice before Super Bowl XXXVI.  John Tomase of the Herald (whatever happened to that guy?) reported it, an eleventh-hour storm of something other than rain and wind immediately descended on the Patriots, and the Herald later recanted its claims.

More than six years later, Warner is connecting the quick destruction of evidence that was surrendered in 2007 regarding the taping of defensive coaching signals with the potential disappearance of the tape that was made (or that wasn’t made) nearly six years earlier as the Rams finalized their game plan for what ultimately became one of the biggest Super Bowl upsets in NFL history.

While it’s possible that the Patriots videotaped defensive coaching signals when playing the Rams during the regular season and used the information during the Super Bowl, the most stunning aspect of that game came from New England’s ability to shut down the St. Louis offense.  And there’s still no evidence that this happened for any reason other than former Rams coach Mike Martz stubbornly refusing to run the ball more, even as the Pats were dropping nearly everyone into pass coverage.

Of course, the fact that the Patriots eventually were caught red-handed invites plenty of speculation.  Which is essentially what Warner is doing.  And if Warner is willing to do it, plenty of others will, too.

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122 Responses to “Warner doesn’t think Pats cheated in Super Bowl, unless he does”
  1. jimmyt says: Apr 12, 2013 9:13 AM

    Of course they cheated, but not just the Rams. The cheating affected a lot of teams because the Pats won a lot of games they would not have won without the advantage of knowing the D’s play calling. Probably should not have even been in the SB to begin with. HOF voters will keep all of this in mind, count on it.

  2. Patskrieg dot com says: Apr 12, 2013 9:15 AM

    Warner was throwing behind his receivers all night. Tory Holt tripped on his own two feet and fell to give up an INT late in the game. Warner himself should have scored on a QB keeper in the Rams only red zone appearance but he wussed out when he saw the linebacker coming and gave up what almost turned into a game ending fumble (nullified by a defensive holding penalty).

    The Pats were in Warner’s head all night. Watch the game and you’ll see it clear as day. There was nothing else to this game. The Patriots out-played them for 60 minutes. End of story.

  3. wtfpft says: Apr 12, 2013 9:15 AM

    Let it go, we all know they cheated, next story.

  4. stillworker says: Apr 12, 2013 9:17 AM

    Faulk & Warner…………….now there’s a pair!!

  5. thesmartestmanever says: Apr 12, 2013 9:18 AM

    so he doesn’t think they cheated but he wonders in his mind because of all the hush hush and the destroyed video.

    yeah, that’s spin control talk . translation: of course they cheated, but that’s not why I’m here. I have a new show on T.V.

  6. flash1283 says: Apr 12, 2013 9:22 AM

    “And there’s still no evidence that this happened for any reason other than former Rams coach Mike Martz stubbornly refusing to run the ball more, even as the Pats were dropping nearly everyone into pass coverage”.

    —–

    And that pretty much sums it up.

  7. taintedlombardis says: Apr 12, 2013 9:23 AM

    He’s taking the high road because he knows nothing will ever be done and he is trying to nurture his career as an “elder statesman” of the NFL. Everyone knows the truth, even Pats fans. They are just in denial or just don’t care.

  8. abninf says: Apr 12, 2013 9:27 AM

    The Pats didn’t cheat. The coach got fined one million dollars just because.

  9. sschmiggles says: Apr 12, 2013 9:27 AM

    So in other words, Warner and the rest of the Rams are either misinformed, or just plain bitter that they got outplayed by an 11-5 team.

    Could you imagine fans’ reactions if the Giants were caught using HGH or something this year and Brady started questioning whether the Giants legitimately beat them in SB 42?

    “Well we were so good, you just have to wonder”

    Quit trying to pass yourself off as classy and say what you really think.

  10. ampats says: Apr 12, 2013 9:30 AM

    The only cheating that occured was from Mike Martz. He cheated his own team and their fans by having a lousy game plan and allowing the Patriots to take Marshall Faulk out of the game.

    Not even the rose colored glasses we Patriot fans wear would have expected “the greatest show on turf” offense cease to exist.

    The Boston Herald apologized for the story which never should have broke as none of the facts were checked and later proven untrue.

    Ofcourse we will see the familiar posts from the haters and disgruntled Ram fans who believe this is gospel, same mentality that people believed 12/21/12 was the end of the world.

  11. chiphi50708 says: Apr 12, 2013 9:35 AM

    Why don’t folks investigate whether the Giants were cheating in the 2000 NFC championship game, a 41-0 win over the Vikings? Word has it, the Giants knew all of Minn’s plays. Strahan has been coy about it when asked in the press. The Giants were the better team but not 41-0 better.

  12. underdog518 says: Apr 12, 2013 9:38 AM

    Teams were and are still today allowed to tape the other team’s defensive signals. The Pats only got in trouble for doing it from field level.

    Just to reiterate – taping the opposing team’s defensive signals is not now nor has it ever been illegal. Please stop reporting it in such a way that implies that it is.

  13. rc33 says: Apr 12, 2013 9:40 AM

    After 10 years, even people that hate the Patriots realize how pathetic this comes across.
    Time to put on your Big Boy pants, Marshall.

  14. Patskrieg dot com says: Apr 12, 2013 9:42 AM

    To put these comments in perspective we could benefit from a ven diagram of people who think the Patriots cheated in Super Bowl XXXVI, and people who actually watched Super Bowl XXXVI.

    The whole game is on Youtube. I defy anyone to pick out a moment (especially in the lone red zone series Marshall Faulk’s jockstrap gets tangled over) where you can say “the Patriots couldn’t have done that without cheating.”

    Please give it a shot.

  15. cfmaguire9 says: Apr 12, 2013 9:43 AM

    jimmyt says:
    Apr 12, 2013 9:13 AM
    Of course they cheated, but not just the Rams. The cheating affected a lot of teams because the Pats won a lot of games they would not have won without the advantage of knowing the D’s play calling. Probably should not have even been in the SB to begin with. HOF voters will keep all of this in mind, count on it.

    ============================

    The patriots might not have won a super bowl since, but they have been back to two and won a heck of a lot of games since spygate, with their worst record being what 10-6? Generally, they have been just as successful in the regular season both pre- & post-Spygate, making it hard to quantify how many games(“a lot” as you said is pretty vague) they would have won or lost prior to 2007.
    Also, no one should worry about TB & BB not getting into the HOF, that’s laughable.

  16. mjdkid100 says: Apr 12, 2013 9:47 AM

    How many times do we have to repeat the fact that the NFL held a press conference and showed the tapes?

    Let me refresh you…

    Coaches…clock…cheerleaders….coaches….Herm Edwards waiving…cheerleaders…clock…

    Walsh testified the tapes never left his possession during the game.

    If you are dumb enough to play a team twice and not adjust your signals, you deserve to lose. That’s just bad coaching.

  17. jimmyt says: Apr 12, 2013 9:48 AM

    And of course, out come the Pats fans with the denials even though they were caught red handed, punished (not nearly enough) and the evidence destroyed. Cheating is abhorrent no doubt and the worse thing about it is when you get caught. So embarrassing! And since so many Pats fans lived vicariously through their team all those years, thinking they were so great and thereby through some weird civic pride thing thinking they, the fans themselves were also somehow greater than they actually were, the fans now too share in that embarrassment, that shame, with their little ears burning red and screaming “we did not cheat!!, you’re just jealous!!” and on and on. But of course the Patriots, their fans and the rest of the world know the truth and it will never be forgotten. BB, Brady and the entire team were just not as great as everyone thought, they cheated and they and their fans have to live with it. Every day.

  18. truthfactory says: Apr 12, 2013 9:49 AM

    Pats post-season win percentage during spygate: about 90%
    Pats post-season win percentage after spygate: about 50%

    I’m sure it’s just a coincidence…

  19. crownofthehelmet says: Apr 12, 2013 9:50 AM

    Everyone except Patriot fans know they cheated for years. At the time, they just seemd a little better than everyone else, years later it’s obvious why.

  20. andyb053 says: Apr 12, 2013 9:51 AM

    During a tenure in which several people (myself included) think Roger Gooddell has done a lot wrong, to me the #1 thing was destroying those tapes. Was he actually afraid that another franchise was going to steal them and use it to THEIR advantage as well? Do you know how silly that sounds, Roger?

  21. inyofaceagain says: Apr 12, 2013 9:51 AM

    Pats r some cheaters

  22. jwh8541 says: Apr 12, 2013 9:54 AM

    he’s taking high road of course Pats cheated. Beyond the video people ignore/forget how the Pats held Faulk and the receivers pretty much every play. Warner was “off” because they destroyed the timing of the plays. They literally tackled Faulk sneaking out the backfield, a staple of that offense.

    Yea Martz could have defeated the cheating but he had to prove it his way but lets not use that to blame the victim the scoundrel here is Belicek.

    And NO people who are not Pats fans will never “move on”.

  23. wmelch says: Apr 12, 2013 9:55 AM

    Here is a list of undeniable truths-compiled by my unbiased research dept. Feel free to add your own in subsequent posts.

    …Patriots are cheaters
    …Tin foil helps pick up the alpha waves
    …Brett Favre will be MVP in 2013
    …Logicalvoice is our favorite poster
    …Sour grapes don’t taste very good

  24. jetsjetsjetsnow says: Apr 12, 2013 9:56 AM

    First of all he is not coming off very intelligent.

    Second of all the Patriots are cheaters & tarnished.

    It’s one thing to try to pick up signals from the opposing team during a game with your naked eye just like MLB trying to decipher signals to the batters or runners which all falls under the category of for the fun of the game.

    It’s another thing all together to have a high tech sophisticated cheating system with archives of various teams to dissect & use as part of your game plan & play calling!

    The difference is obvious & everyone knows it. If it looks like a rat & smells like a rat… It’s a rat!

    I love it when I hear people say how everyone was doing it! Yeah everyone in the MLB type fashion, but not in this other devious & calculated way that underscores the abysmal lack of sportsmanship & respect for the game.

  25. CKL says: Apr 12, 2013 9:57 AM

    What happened to them was their receivers got beat up at the LOS and Martz and Polian wanted the defensive contact rule “emphasized” after Martz’ squad lost to the Pats in 01 and Panthers in 03 who both employed that strategy and Polian’s Colts lost to the Pats in 2003 in the playoffs so they made it so.
    It doesn’t really take legal stealing of signals to beat a Lovie Smith or Tony Dungy defense. They do what they do and you must simply execute.

  26. justintuckrule says: Apr 12, 2013 9:57 AM

    I don’t know. In this day and age where the glazers of the world know each and every fart laid by a player, it’s hard for me to believe that they cheated because that would have been some intricate coverup that would have had to occur. Every player and coach would have known and not one has written a book to admit the biggest sports scandal since the black sox.

    I hate using the word “karma” because I believe it’s reserved for chicks, but if they cheated, karma paid them the cruelest visit letting them go undefeated until 30 seconds left to immortality.

  27. ravenator says: Apr 12, 2013 9:58 AM

    Does it matter? Ravens own the Patsies. They’ll never make it out of the AFC so long as Baltimore remains in the conference

  28. taintedlombardis says: Apr 12, 2013 9:58 AM

    Does Tom Brady still recieve transmissions in his helmet after the 15 second cutoff? Ernie Adams controls Tom Brady like a video game…

  29. deep64blue says: Apr 12, 2013 10:00 AM

    “The Pats were in Warner’s head all night”

    Gee, I wonder how they managed that eh??

  30. pushier says: Apr 12, 2013 10:02 AM

    Come on,stop already,If and its a very shaky if the Patriots knew what D they were in they still had to execute,its not just automatic.It’s like if you know a pitcher is going to throw a filthy slider you still HAVE to hit it.Just because you know its coming its not that automatic.You have heard coaches say ALL teams do it.Its just sour grapes on the part of the Rams.I love how everybody says they have not won 1 since.It took a helmet catch on 1 ogf the luckiest plays in NFL history to stop them 1 yr. and a perfect pass by E.Manning that had like 2.5 inches of wiggle room to keep them from another.People act like they have not made the playoffs since then.

  31. circuscivics says: Apr 12, 2013 10:04 AM

    I don’t know how anyone can conclude that the Patriots didn’t cheat. If the taping of signals and walk-thrus was not a major factor in their performance, then why take such a great risk for something that was worthless? Belichick is a cheater. That narrative should be etched in his presumed bust in the HOF. Personally, I don’t think he deserves to get in. This was not uncovered until after they won their 3rd championship. I am assuming they continued to do this until they got caught. I was amazed how the Pats knew to audible to screens whenever the Eagles, a team (at that time) that was known to disguise their blitzes well. Who knows if they would have won any without cheating to get an unfair advantage. As for Goodell, he made the calculation that it was much more harmful to release the tapes, than to just acknowledge that it happened.

  32. hairpie says: Apr 12, 2013 10:05 AM

    How do you get “caught” cheating if you arent trying to hide or conceal anything? Also, how do we know the Rams didnt cheat?

  33. patriotsdefense says: Apr 12, 2013 10:05 AM

    Marshall Faulk embarrassed himself a couple of months ago, it’s a shame Warren didn’t stop short of spread that embarrassment to himself. The Patriot never taped a Rams walkthrough of their redzone, and the Ram also happened to go 1-1 in that Super Bowl (100%) in the redzone and scored out of tendency (Warren TD sneak). Also, it was not against the NFL rules to videotape from the sidelines back during the 2001 season.

  34. hairpie says: Apr 12, 2013 10:08 AM

    Also, can someone explain the benefit of taping vs simply writing down the signals on paper? Does anyone really believe that tape magically turned a team into a billion dollar franchise and pen and paper couldnt? If that were the case, everyone would hire a liberal arts major to stand around thousands of people and tape things that cant even be used in game. Taping would actually slow down the process.

  35. wtfchiefs says: Apr 12, 2013 10:09 AM

    Can someone tell me how exactly this is the sole reason the Pats won?

    I can tell you where someone is going, what the play is, what route the WR is going to run, but if you blow an assignment, cannot beat a block, or simply cannot cover your man…It means nothing. Every week ALL teams have game film of the opposing team. A vast library of multiple games, plays, tendencies, formations, and situations.

    The Rams will be crying about this forever. Fact is Martz didn’t run the ball, and the defense for St. Louis played soft expecting the Pats to play for a tie at the end of the game. Period, end of story.

  36. hairpie says: Apr 12, 2013 10:10 AM

    truthfactory says:
    Apr 12, 2013 9:49 AM
    Pats post-season win percentage during spygate: about 90%
    Pats post-season win percentage after spygate: about 50%

    I’m sure it’s just a coincidence…

    ————————————————
    then it shouldnt be a coincidence their over all record is over 100% points higher during that time. rules are the same in playoffs so your point is not valid.

  37. jimmyt says: Apr 12, 2013 10:13 AM

    Poor Pats. Nothing worse than trophies with asterisk etched into them. Must taste real bad.

  38. fafaflunky says: Apr 12, 2013 10:17 AM

    @chip
    spot on..but unfortunately mara is goodells bff..

  39. jimmyt says: Apr 12, 2013 10:22 AM

    How can you be so slow? They took those years’ worth of tapes, studied them, used them as training tools took all the information gleaned from them and transferred them to nice laminated sheets with all sorts of color coding etc. for the coordinator to whisper into the average at best QBs headset before (and many times after) the mandatory cut off time. Sorry man, you team cheated – a lot. I know you must be terribly ashamed but coming clean and accepting the truth is the only thing that can help you.

  40. hor2012 says: Apr 12, 2013 10:24 AM

    As a Saints fan I have mixed feelings about this. Frist of all I know the league has the ability to make things seem worse than that actually are. But, in the case of the Pats it seems that the exact opposit happened. Now, If I understand the issue correctly. The Rams are stating that the Pats video tape thier last walk through before the game. Now, playing football in highschool and coaching. I promise you if they did that thay would have given the Pats a major advantage. You only walk through the plays that you’re going to use during the game the last walk through. If the Pats did that, that would have been worth more than a FG. That’s a lest a touchdown advantage. And, other coaches outthere will attest that what I’m saying is factual. So, it really depends on what they did. Taping signals wouldn’t give them that big of a advantage. But, if the taped that walkthrough. That would have been the difference in the game

  41. keepyerstickontheice says: Apr 12, 2013 10:25 AM

    The Patriots’ only crime was getting caught.

  42. flash1283 says: Apr 12, 2013 10:26 AM

    ravenator says: Apr 12, 2013 9:58 AM

    Does it matter? Ravens own the Patsies. They’ll never make it out of the AFC so long as Baltimore remains in the conference

    Ravens 3-8 all time vs NE

    Pats own Ravens!

  43. blacknole08 says: Apr 12, 2013 10:28 AM

    Pat’s didn’t cheat. People forget that they played a Sunday Night game earlier that season, which the Rams won 24-17 at Foxboro.

    The Pat’s usually don’t lose to the same team 2x. They schemed the Rams perfectly in the SB rematch by bumping the WRs at the line and playing with Dime coverage most of the game.

    The Rams should blame their own gameplan — Faulk was silent all game — for their loss. And that team was loaded with offensive weapons.

  44. heisthejuan says: Apr 12, 2013 10:28 AM

    Man, just think of all the teams that could have won Super Bowls if only their coach had taken 10 minutes to change up their defensive hand signals each week…

  45. randy8123 says: Apr 12, 2013 10:30 AM

    deep64blue says:
    Apr 12, 2013 10:00 AM
    “The Pats were in Warner’s head all night”

    Gee, I wonder how they managed that eh??

    ————————

    That’s a great point, unbelievable that no one thought of that until now – they taped the Rams DEFENSIVE signals, then used that information to score a barrage of 13 points on offense, while using the key footage of Warner sitting on the bench behind the D coordinator to figure out that he did not in fact play defense and focus their attention on stopping him when the Rams had the ball. Brilliant.

  46. flash1283 says: Apr 12, 2013 10:30 AM

    jimmyt says: Apr 12, 2013 10:22 AM

    How can you be so slow? They took those years’ worth of tapes, studied them, used them as training tools took all the information gleaned from them and transferred them to nice laminated sheets with all sorts of color coding etc. for the coordinator to whisper into the average at best QBs headset before (and many times after) the mandatory cut off time. Sorry man, you team cheated – a lot. I know you must be terribly ashamed but coming clean and accepting the truth is the only thing that can help you.

    Then what is your excuse for them beating the Panthers in the SB? The last time they played each other before that game was 6 years prior to that. The Panthers had a totally different coaching staff.

    Oh and as a previous poster commented “IT IS STILL LEGAL TODAY TO FILM.

  47. truthfactory says: Apr 12, 2013 10:32 AM

    hairpie says:
    Apr 12, 2013 10:10 AM
    truthfactory says:
    Apr 12, 2013 9:49 AM
    Pats post-season win percentage during spygate: about 90%
    Pats post-season win percentage after spygate: about 50%

    I’m sure it’s just a coincidence…

    ————————————————
    then it shouldnt be a coincidence their over all record is over 100% points higher during that time. rules are the same in playoffs so your point is not valid.
    ——–

    Patriots “Legacy” is based on post-season success and Superbowls. There have been many teams who have done very well during the regular season over the past decade, but the reason the patriots are considered “the best” is because of their post-season success while cheating. When the cheating was over, they have become just another team with great regular season success and mixed results in the playoffs just like so many other teams (Colts, Packers, Saints, Falcons etc…).

  48. steviethewiz says: Apr 12, 2013 10:41 AM

    The best part of this is old AMPATS will go to her grave having to defend her beloved CHEATERS. We will never let her or the other CHEATER fans forget their supposed titles are forever tantied ***

  49. theytukrjobs says: Apr 12, 2013 10:41 AM

    I think there is no question that the Pats were willing to cheat, and were caught cheating. It is unclear to many of us how much of an advantage they obtained. Also usually when an organization is willing to cheat in one area, they are willing to do so in others. But then again there are probably teams that got away with stuff in the same time frame and just weren’t as bold/stupid/etc as the Pats.

    I don’t know. To me the SB wins are absolutely tainted and carry less weight with me. Belichec’s genius takes a step down. Knowing the opponents plays is a big advantage. And I feel that if people let cheaters off the hook easily that it encourages future people from doing the same.

    Honestly the punishment the Pats received vs the possibility that they have Lombardi’s they couldn’t have gotten otherwise makes me feel that in the end the Pats were wise to cheat and came out ahead on the deal.

  50. hairpie says: Apr 12, 2013 10:43 AM

    Actually, the Pats record in the playoffs post spygate would indicate other teams are still cheating but the Pats arent.

  51. hairpie says: Apr 12, 2013 10:44 AM

    The Panthers were all on roids that season too… so looks like the Pats BEAT the cheaters in that game. :)

  52. nananatman says: Apr 12, 2013 10:45 AM

    Have they won a Super Bowl since they got caught?

  53. jimmyt says: Apr 12, 2013 10:46 AM

    I know flash1283, it hurts. Seek help now.

  54. tedmurph says: Apr 12, 2013 10:47 AM

    If the Pats stole the Rams defensive signals, that would only help the Pats offense. The Pats scored 20 pts on 267 yds of total offense. What a juggernaut. Having the Rams def signals would have nothing to do with holding the Rams ‘greatest show on turf” to 17 pts and causing 3 turnovers. The Rams lost this game fair and square because they took the Pats lightly, got outplayed and outcoached. Belichick had a tremendous game plan based on adjustments he made after losing to the Rams earlier that yr, that was executed perfectly. BB record against teams he plays 2x/yr speaks for itself. Only 7 yrs later, when the Pats make the mistake of ignoring a league-wide memo about where it is legal to tape signals and the erroneous report that the Pats taped a walkthrough, that was later retracted, do the Rams get their built in excuse. The couldn’t have lost to an inferior team, must have been cheating. Pats won, deal with it.

    As was also correctly pointed out earlier, the tapes were shown to the media at a press conference. There just wasn’t anything interesting there beyond what had already been explained to the press.

  55. harrisonhits2 says: Apr 12, 2013 10:48 AM

    The tin foil hat and propellor beanie crowd always comes out in force on articles like this.

    Goodell destroyed the tapes because they showed multiple other teams taping the Pats signals right back at them and he didn’t want the scandal to widen to multiple teams.

    Secondly, everything that can be taped from the sideline is clearly visible and a lowly paid coaching assistant can sit there and record it in long form. The tapes were no magic bullet. They made it a little easier to collate the information, but it was so useful that other coaches like Jimmy Johnson said they taped signals and found it so little help they stopped bothering to do so.

    The Pats success since spygate shows how good their coaching and players are and were. Yes, they haven’t won a Super Bowl since then but there are teams that have never won one and/or not won one in a long long time. Its incredibly difficult to even reach the Super Bowl. By the logic many posters apply to the Pats only teams that have cheated have won the SB.

  56. patriotnation12 says: Apr 12, 2013 10:49 AM

    The following is a quote from Superbowl winning coach Jimmy Johnson:

    “This is exactly how I was told to do it 18 years ago by a Kansas City Chiefs scout. I tried it, but I didn’t think it helped us. Bill Belichick was wrong because he videotaped signals after a memo was sent out to all teams saying not to do it. But what irritates me is hearing some reactions from players and coaches.

    These players don’t know what their coaches are doing, and some of the coaches have selective amnesia because I know for a fact there were various teams doing this. That’s why the memo was sent to everybody. That doesn’t make Belichick right, but a lot of teams are doing this.”

    That quote says a lot about the videotaping, especially where Johnson says, “I tried it, but I didn’t think it helped us.” People don’t seem to understand that this was common practice amongst all teams, not just the Patriots.

    Belichick and the Patriots got in trouble because the league requested that the practice be stopped. However, Belichick interpreted the new rule incorrectly. Belichick believed the taping was legal as long as the tape wasn’t used during the same game. Below is an explanation of the taping rule:

    “No video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches’ booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game. All video shooting locations must be enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead. Any use by any club at any time, from the start to the finish of any game in which such club is a participant, of any communications or information-gathering equipment, other than Polaroid-type cameras or field telephones, shall be prohibited, including without limitation videotape machines, telephone tapping, or bugging devices, or any other form of electronic devices that might aid a team during the playing of a game.”

    In other words it’s STILL TO THIS DAY LEGAL to tape opponents signals…you just can’t do it from the coaches box or sidelines.

    But to those great NFL fans who want to actually reach out and do some research, educate themselves, aren’t ignorant enough to believe that something that was being done by everyone and I guarantee is still going on today had any effect on the Patriots successes, we New England fans thank you.

    Despite testimonials from Roger Goodell, Dan Rooney, Jimmy Johnson, Matt Walsh, the New England Patriots and the retraction from the Boston Herald, those of you who chose to think the Pats didnt win fair and square…you are ignorant f’s. But leave it to some fans to think they know more about the game and what went on behind the scenes than people who were actually involved.

    Haters will always hate!
    Kiss my “tainted” rings ignorant fans!

  57. thelastpieceofcheese says: Apr 12, 2013 10:51 AM

    Pats SB wins should be vacated

  58. hairpie says: Apr 12, 2013 10:51 AM

    truthfactory says:
    Apr 12, 2013 10:32 AM
    hairpie says:
    Apr 12, 2013 10:10 AM
    truthfactory says:
    Apr 12, 2013 9:49 AM
    Pats post-season win percentage during spygate: about 90%
    Pats post-season win percentage after spygate: about 50%

    I’m sure it’s just a coincidence…

    ————————————————
    then it shouldnt be a coincidence their over all record is over 100% points higher during that time. rules are the same in playoffs so your point is not valid.
    ——–

    Patriots “Legacy” is based on post-season success and Superbowls. There have been many teams who have done very well during the regular season over the past decade, but the reason the patriots are considered “the best” is because of their post-season success while cheating. When the cheating was over, they have become just another team with great regular season success and mixed results in the playoffs just like so many other teams (Colts, Packers, Saints, Falcons etc…).

    ——————————————
    Understood, but since no one has ever been able to prove there was any benefit to taping anything vs simply taking notes (like all teams do) your point that the magic of tape carried them to that record is not valid. Unless other teams are still cheating.

  59. altoon88 says: Apr 12, 2013 10:52 AM

    Such a shame for this to happen to such a classy organization. I know they are classy because their fans create multiple user accounts to troll the comments sections of news articles and forums, and they always say have the most class.

  60. hairpie says: Apr 12, 2013 10:54 AM

    nananatman says:
    Apr 12, 2013 10:45 AM
    Have they won a Super Bowl since they got caught?

    ————————————————

    They werent “caught”… they werent hiding anything.

    Also, over 450 teams havent won since 2007, is that because they all cant cheat anymore?

  61. bcgreg says: Apr 12, 2013 10:56 AM

    I love how haters say Pats fans are in denial. HATERS are in denial.

    –No “walk through” tape existed.
    –Filming the opponents defensive signals is NOT illegal.
    –Tapes were NOT given to Belichick until AFTER games, thereby giving him ZERO advantage.
    –While tapes were destroyed, they were shown by Jay Glazer and were available for viewing on the internet for some time.

    After these 4 facts are mentioned, how can you possibly say that the Pats attained information NOT available to other teams if they wanted it?

    Did the Pats have a camera on the sideline? Yes. They broke a league rule. Were they punished harshly? Yes. Why? IMO, because Goodell was flexing his newly acquired Commissioner muscles. Cheating? No. If the league showed that Belichick was using the in-game tapes, then yes, it would be cheating. But, he wasn’t, so the tapes are no different than the all 22 film.

    Now, the league allows team operated cameras on the sidelines for “in house productions” (yeah, that can’t be manipulated) and now wants cameras in the home locker rooms for stadium viewing (yeah, no information could be gathered from halftime commentary by the opponent there).

  62. hairpie says: Apr 12, 2013 10:57 AM

    Typo above…. i meant 150.

  63. taintedlombardis says: Apr 12, 2013 11:00 AM

    harrisonhits2 says:

    “Goodell destroyed the tapes because they showed multiple other teams taping the Pats signals right back at them and he didn’t want the scandal to widen to multiple teams.”

    Talk about tinfoil hat comments…Please enlighten us on how you are privvy to such info? Please refrain from pulling things out of your derriere.

  64. xinellum says: Apr 12, 2013 11:13 AM

    The Nixon like destruction of the tape should leave no doubts. If the commish thought there was no cheating, the tapes would have exonerated the Patriots. However, had the tapes got out and everyone realized what a cheater Bellicek and Kraft were, Bellicek and Kraft would have had to have been banned from the game, the Super Bowl wins would have had to have been overturned and the commish would have had to resign but he buried it by destroying the films. That would have been a huge financial loss for the Patriots and the NFL risking being called the number 1 cheater sport in America. Classic example of power overthrowing doing what is right, banning those involved for a year like they did Sean Peyton. I think cheating to win the Super Bowl is a far more aggregious offense than this joke of a bounty gate that the commish enforced. How do you fix a problem of cheating when Kraft and the commish are in bed together. Might makes for a lousy game with cheaters who can buddy buddy ($$$$) their way out of punishment. Who actually believes the Patriots earned those Super Bowl wins. Not me.

  65. jasonculhane says: Apr 12, 2013 11:17 AM

    Has anyone ever realized that the NFL punishes those who tarnish their image.

    Patriots…..Video Tapes…Will not win another SB
    Pittsburgh….Ben’s Rape allegations…lost Sb against Green Bay
    Colts….14-0, rests players…Manning gets a bum neck, leaves indianapolis and oh yea Colts lose Super Bowl that year.
    Saints………..Bounty Scandel, no way will they ever win another Superbowl.

    Doesn’t anyone else find it ironic that whomever or whatever has the best storyline of that year, second or game simply wins. Whomever has the worst just loses period.

  66. jimmymarlinsfan says: Apr 12, 2013 11:18 AM

    If* they didn’t cheat, why was the NFL in such a hurry to destroy the evidence?

    Remember this was 2001, 9/11 was 5 months earlier and the Patriots were trying to be all ra, ra, sis, boom ba about their team name and what it meant to this country.

    Nevermind Tagliabue and Goodell are both very good friends with Bob Kraft. They wanted this whole thing to go away ASAP and the NFL have the pats a slap on the wrist penalty because you couldn’t let it go entirely unpunished

  67. thestrategyexpert says: Apr 12, 2013 11:22 AM

    I understand where Warner is coming from. The NFL just does not have a good system in place to maximize the odds that a rightful team will win any given Sunday or convert on a title run. There’s lots of room for error and undeserving teams to leapfrog a more deserving team. Until the rule book is cleaned up and the game result is driven moreso by skill and performance, then there’s always going to be a healthy dose of sour grapes.

    The game and the rules and the sport is a complete mess from the organization levels and major changes are needed to improve the quality and entertainment factors of this sport. And Goodell isn’t paying attention or thinking very sharply about the long-term.

  68. harrisonhits2 says: Apr 12, 2013 11:23 AM

    @2taintedlombardis

    See quote from Jimmy Johnson posted by patriotnation12 a few posts above yours.

    Actually I’ll make it easy for you -

    These players don’t know what their coaches are doing, and some of the coaches have selective amnesia because I know for a fact there were various teams doing this. That’s why the memo was sent to everybody. That doesn’t make Belichick right, but a lot of teams are doing this.”

  69. marcuswelby70 says: Apr 12, 2013 11:23 AM

    jimmyt says:
    Apr 12, 2013 9:48 AM
    And of course, out come the Pats fans with the denials even though they were caught red handed, punished (not nearly enough) and the evidence destroyed. Cheating is abhorrent no doubt and the worse thing about it is when you get caught. So embarrassing! And since so many Pats fans lived vicariously through their team all those years, thinking they were so great and thereby through some weird civic pride thing thinking they, the fans themselves were also somehow greater than they actually were, the fans now too share in that embarrassment, that shame, with their little ears burning red and screaming “we did not cheat!!, you’re just jealous!!” and on and on. But of course the Patriots, their fans and the rest of the world know the truth and it will never be forgotten. BB, Brady and the entire team were just not as great as everyone thought, they cheated and they and their fans have to live with it. Every day.

    ———————————————-

    Oh God, I can’t sleep at night!

  70. ampats says: Apr 12, 2013 11:24 AM

    jimmyt,

    in one of your multiple posts maybe you should refresh the stupidity you posted last week about Bradford being a more accurate QB than Brady.Please continue your hate and continue to blame someone else for your team’s failures.

    By the way, I was at One Patriots Place last Friday and the three Lombardi’s are still as shiney as the days they were WON.

  71. nolasoxfan2012 says: Apr 12, 2013 11:24 AM

    For the non-morons on this site, the Super Bowl tape is an urban legend. It never happened. It has nothing to do with SpyGate. They are two completely separate things. The author of the Super Bowl tape story – John Tomase – had to retract the story because he didn’t actually have proof or a legitimate source. He literally heard a rumor and thought another news agency was going to publish the story and no one would question him on his sources. He now no longer covers football.

    For the morons on this site, you may now commence reflexively hitting the thumb down button.

  72. jasonculhane says: Apr 12, 2013 11:31 AM

    I find it very funny that the Patriots won their Superbowls when everyone was “Patriotic”…I know when the NFL is gonna fix its games, just look at last year…Where were the Ravens at before Ray Lewis announced his retirement? What great stories. If Peyton Manning said “I’m retiring”…trust me, their would have been a holding call on that HailMary.

    Because the NFL was already helping the Patriots to cheat, anything eronious on top of that would seem to be spitting in their faces. How many Superbowls have they won since? NONE.

    What has the Saints done after the bounty scandel? NFL picks on teams that they helped previously to get in, to give the illusion that their fair. Well, what happened? Scandel was overblown, Goodell to me got caught.

    Games have always been manipulated, but sadly since the first Patriots Superbowl the NFL has found a way to manipulate all the games, not just playoff ones.

  73. scrp2 says: Apr 12, 2013 11:35 AM

    18 and 1

  74. circuscivics says: Apr 12, 2013 11:37 AM

    Get over it Pats fans. Your championship is tainted. No matter how hard you try to scrub history, whenever the championships are discussed, people will mention how the “genius” Belichick cheated.

    I have read all the Pat’s apologist posts in here about how everyone tapes signals and that it was no help to the Pat’s. Guess what? The proof is in the pudding. If it was of no help, why go through great lengths and risks to do it? Also, why destroy the evidence. As much as Pats fans, Pats organization, and Goodell pretends this never happened, it will forever be mentioned when their tainted championships are discussed.

  75. justintuckrule says: Apr 12, 2013 11:55 AM

    However they did it, giants fans are glad they won all those sbs. Makes our two wins all the more special.

    @pats fans – isn’t it funny that your only ally in this story is us?

  76. xxsweepthelegxx says: Apr 12, 2013 11:58 AM

    justintuckrule says:
    Apr 12, 2013 11:55 AM
    However they did it, giants fans are glad they won all those sbs. Makes our two wins all the more special.

    @pats fans – isn’t it funny that your only ally in this story is us?
    —————
    I’ll be honest, that 18-1 season hurts more than any Spygate BS

  77. truthfactory says: Apr 12, 2013 12:03 PM

    ——————————————
    Understood, but since no one has ever been able to prove there was any benefit to taping anything vs simply taking notes (like all teams do) your point that the magic of tape carried them to that record is not valid. Unless other teams are still cheating.
    ——

    Really??? If thats the case, no one has been able to “prove” that players taking HGH or steroids will help a team win either. So therefore it doesnt count as cheating?? Lol. Do you think there is like an agency that runs a bunch of tests on different ways to cheat in football, and then only the ones that are “proved” to be effective make it into the rules??

    Bottom line is that it was illegal because the NFL thought it would give a team an unfair advantage. Billichek broke those rules on purpose (for years) because he felt he was getting the unfair advantage as well. Why would he risk getting caught if he felt there was nothing to gain from it??

  78. flash1283 says: Apr 12, 2013 12:14 PM

    truthfactory says: Apr 12, 2013 12:03 PM

    ——————————————
    Understood, but since no one has ever been able to prove there was any benefit to taping anything vs simply taking notes (like all teams do) your point that the magic of tape carried them to that record is not valid. Unless other teams are still cheating.
    ——

    Really??? If thats the case, no one has been able to “prove” that players taking HGH or steroids will help a team win either. So therefore it doesnt count as cheating?? Lol. Do you think there is like an agency that runs a bunch of tests on different ways to cheat in football, and then only the ones that are “proved” to be effective make it into the rules??

    Bottom line is that it was illegal because the NFL thought it would give a team an unfair advantage. Billichek broke those rules on purpose (for years) because he felt he was getting the unfair advantage as well. Why would he risk getting caught if he felt there was nothing to gain from it??

    —-
    Again, no it wasn’t illegal then or now.
    They were not fined for video taping, they were fined for the location. That’s all.

    taken from another post and the rule book,

    “No video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches’ booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game. All video shooting locations must be enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead. Any use by any club at any time, from the start to the finish of any game in which such club is a participant, of any communications or information-gathering equipment, other than Polaroid-type cameras or field telephones, shall be prohibited, including without limitation videotape machines, telephone tapping, or bugging devices, or any other form of electronic devices that might aid a team DURING the playing of a game.”

    In other words it’s STILL TO THIS DAY LEGAL to tape opponents signals…you just can’t do it from the coaches box or sidelines.

  79. bcgreg says: Apr 12, 2013 12:35 PM

    I find it hilarious that the HATERS are up in arms about how the Pats stole defensive signals with regards to Spygate. If Spygate was about stealing defensive signals, then why did the Pats only score ONE offensive TD in SB 36 against the Rams on a possession that started at the Rams’ 30 after a fumble? All that cheating, and they scored only ONE offensive TD on a 30 yard drive and kicked two FGs?

    What did Spygate have to do with the Pats defense shutting down Warner if it was about getting the Rams’ defensive signals? Warner threw a pick 6 to Ty Law (though it should have been called back for roughing the passer on Vrabel–he hit him in the head–that’s on the refs) AND he fumbled what would have been the clincher but for a holding call. Warner was TERRIBLE that game.

    On offense, Martz had a poor game plan. He’s admitted it! That combined with Warner’s awful day is why they lost.

    On defense, the Pats did two things. They hammered the Rams’ WRs (see Tebucky Jones crush Torry Holt on the sidelines in the 1st quarter that put Holt in a shell all game), and they hit Faulk wherever he went. The DEs were told that before they go to Warner, they go hit Faulk in the backfield. Now, I read someone whining about how the Pats held Faulk all game. Your delusional! They HIT him all game. And, even if they did hold him (they didn’t), then that’s on the refs to call it. It’s not “cheating” by the Pats as you claimed. Funny how they called holding on a play that would have ended that game early (the Tebucky Jones fumble recovery TD that was called back). McGinest thought Faulk had the ball and wrapped him up. When he realized he didn’t have the ball, he let him go, but it as too late. It was a dubious holding call at best as Jones is running 98 yards for a TD.

    So, you haters really have to keep your story straight. Was Spygate about defensive signals or not? And how come Warner isn’t bitching about the game where the Rams beat the Pats by 7 in NE earlier that same season? Should they have beaten them by 20?

  80. siggtacular says: Apr 12, 2013 12:42 PM

    The New England Patriots were soundly beaten by Joe Flacco and the Ravens in the AFC Championship game, which led to Flacco’s MVP award and Super Bowl win.. TWO SUPER BOWLS AND COUNTING(XXXV, XLVII)

    Yes Pittsburgh, the Raven Nation knows you have 6, but when your team is established in 1933, you better have some Super Bowls.

    Ravens est 1996, with two Super Bowls ALREADY

    RAVEN NATION

  81. psousa1 says: Apr 12, 2013 12:52 PM

    Two comments I will always remember after the Patriots got fined – Jimmy Johnson saying his Cowboys did it too. Rex Ryan, then D-coordinator of the Ravens saying that about 18 or 20 teams just got a wake up call today.

    You can still steal signs – just cannot have the camera at field level.

    Warner needs to quit crying. If memory serves they only beat NE by a few points in the regular season. Blame your head coach. You have Faulk in the backfield, who was the best back in the NFL at that time and he was basically a decoy the whole game.

  82. psousa1 says: Apr 12, 2013 12:54 PM

    Oh yeah Kurt, Giants fans thought you cheated. Or were your 4 fumbles each game just incompetence?

  83. blanchonegro says: Apr 12, 2013 1:15 PM

    everyone knows they cheated otherwise they would have no reason to destroy n not show the tapes. one day a patriot will tell all.

  84. si1m says: Apr 12, 2013 1:20 PM

    flash1283 says:
    Apr 12, 2013 10:26 AM
    ravenator says: Apr 12, 2013 9:58 AM

    Does it matter? Ravens own the Patsies. They’ll never make it out of the AFC so long as Baltimore remains in the conference

    Ravens 3-8 all time vs NE

    Pats own Ravens!

    ——–

    Ravens 2-1 all time vs NE in Playoffs

    But yeah those games from the Boller/McNair era are very relevant.

  85. bunjy96 says: Apr 12, 2013 1:21 PM

    I’m sure both freak loses in the Super Bowl were because the Pats cheated 10 years ago.

    Ignorance is bliss and hatred will poison you.

    My allegiance is to a team in the NFL is definitely not the Pats.

    But I sure as hell do respect the organization they have put together.

    The haters don’t even know why they hate. They still spiel about the team (the only team) that even taped other teams signals. Its still being done and is legal. So what the hell are you all bitchin about?

    Jealous anyone?

    How many times has your team been to the super bowl since 2000 and your team tapes signals. Why didn’t your team go to the super bowl then?

  86. chi01town says: Apr 12, 2013 1:23 PM

    The Pats CHEATED and everybody
    knows they did. the Rams was unstoppable and the only way to beat that team at that time was too cheat. AND THEN THEY GOT CAUGHT.

  87. ampats says: Apr 12, 2013 1:38 PM

    siggetacular,

    Sorry but the Ravens were renamed and not established in 1996 after being the Browns for the previous 50 years after Modell took his franchise out of Cleveland.

    And who set up the Browns to draft Ogden & Ray Lewis??And under whose tutelege did OZ learn the ropes of becoming a GM?

    Bill Belichick, watch the NFLN special on Cleveland 1995 and educate yourself !

  88. vegasbearfan says: Apr 12, 2013 1:45 PM

    No matter what crap anyone says – I believe that Patriots are a dirty cheating team every chance they got and don’t deserve the three super-bowl titles that are recorded.

  89. indychiefsfan says: Apr 12, 2013 1:47 PM

    The Pats haven’t won a championship since spygate broke. Coincidence? Naaa.g

  90. revskip says: Apr 12, 2013 1:49 PM

    harrisonhits2 says: Apr 12, 2013 10:48 AM

    The tin foil hat and propellor beanie crowd always comes out in force on articles like this.

    ———————————————————–

    To be fair so does the “do not look behind the curtain crowd”.

    The Pats cheated and were penalized for that cheating. Don’t feel it was particularly egregious personally since many coaches have since admitted to doing pretty much the same thing but they did cheat.

    The conspiracy theorists who think that every win the Pats ever had was due to cheating are more than a little crazy. But so are the folks who pretend that no cheating happened.

  91. ftomasic1961 says: Apr 12, 2013 2:02 PM

    “Spygate,” Bryan O’Leary, read it, IT SHOWS THE CHEATING WAS WAY BEFORE THEIR FIRST SB, thus they are all tainted.

    read the book, download it from amazon, whatever, it shows they cheated, and it shows how.

    all before 2007, well before their first sb.

    But, itz easier to dismiss the allegations, easier on patriot fans minds than it is to see the truth.

  92. flash1283 says: Apr 12, 2013 2:13 PM

    si1m says: Apr 12, 2013 1:20 PM

    flash1283 says:
    Apr 12, 2013 10:26 AM
    ravenator says: Apr 12, 2013 9:58 AM

    Does it matter? Ravens own the Patsies. They’ll never make it out of the AFC so long as Baltimore remains in the conference

    Ravens 3-8 all time vs NE

    Pats own Ravens!

    ——–

    Ravens 2-1 all time vs NE in Playoffs

    But yeah those games from the Boller/McNair era are very relevant.

    —-

    Yes they were “relevant” because those games counted too. You cant pick and choose because
    of who was or was not playing QB.
    If I remember correctly most of those 8 wins by NE came when the Ravens D was very very good.

    Bottom line, they have played 11 times and NE has won 8 of them. Advantage NE…

    Typical Ravens fan, lets narrow it down to JUST the last few games they have played so we can try and prove a point.

    Good luck with Jump Ball Joe this year without Bolden to bail him out.

  93. ijahru says: Apr 12, 2013 2:13 PM

    The Patriots beat the Rams in the SB because they smacked them in the mouth and Faulk and the WRs were afraid of getting hit. Watch the game and you can see how timid and off their game they were. Faulk keeps mouthing off about cheating because he isn’t man enough to admit he got beat up that day and couldn’t handle it.

  94. vaphinfan says: Apr 12, 2013 2:17 PM

    I don’t know what I hate more the way they cheated or the way not so Goodell handled it. It should of been 0 – 1 off the bat.

  95. flash1283 says: Apr 12, 2013 2:18 PM

    ftomasic1961 says: Apr 12, 2013 2:02 PM

    “Spygate,” Bryan O’Leary, read it, IT SHOWS THE CHEATING WAS WAY BEFORE THEIR FIRST SB, thus they are all tainted.

    read the book, download it from amazon, whatever, it shows they cheated, and it shows how.

    all before 2007, well before their first sb.

    But, itz easier to dismiss the allegations, easier on patriot fans minds than it is to see the truth.

    The book proved nothing, it was all opinion based on JUST the statistical anomalies he pulled to try and prove his point.

    Like there win percentage at home. He left out the fact that Green Bay’s home win percentage over that same time frame is right behind NE (well over the NFL average). So they must be “cheating” at home too.

  96. swagger52 says: Apr 12, 2013 2:40 PM

    Lets not talk about the Cheating to help the Patriots in 2000.

    Lets talk about the cheating that occurred during the holding/illegal contact that changed the rules in 2001 because the Patriots were contacting the Rams receivers all the way down the field?

    Or lets talk about what QB benefits the most from First down after incompletion. Tom Brady is the Hall of Fame Record setter for getting those calls.

    How ironic what was set up to penalize the Patriots, actually helped the Patriots. Just like the CBA. The solution is worse than the problem.

  97. alskdh says: Apr 12, 2013 3:02 PM

    ‘gives those who believe they could have achieved their dreams if only they’d chased them a chance to scale the mountain without having to do very much climbing.’ Just shut up mike. A-quality usual encryption in your posts again.

  98. metitometin says: Apr 12, 2013 3:05 PM

    This is like the millionth time I’ve pointed this out, but apparently morons like Kurt Warner are too naive to understand.

    Roger Goodell sent that memo about videotaping other teams and other team’s practices to EVERY team in the NFL. If the Patriots were the only team taping other teams, than why did Roger Goodell send that memo about videotaping to EVERY team in the NFL?

    Understand Kurt Warner you idiot? Every team cheats. The Jets trip players, the Colts and Seahawks pump in phony crowd noise, the Saints commit bounties, the 49ers commit salary cap violations every year.

    This dumping on the Patriots really pisses me off. They are a model franchise for the NFL and had an amazing run and it has been unfairly tarnished by this bogus BS. Every team is out there doing the same thing, but no team had a rat like Eric Mangini willing to rat out Belicheck to the NFL. Every other team was just lucky they didn’t have an Eric Mangini on the staff to rat them out.

  99. alskdh says: Apr 12, 2013 3:08 PM

    ftomasic1961 says: Apr 12, 2013 2:02 PM

    “Spygate,” Bryan O’Leary, read it, IT SHOWS THE CHEATING WAS WAY BEFORE THEIR FIRST SB, thus they are all tainted.

    read the book, download it from amazon, whatever, it shows they cheated, and it shows how.

    all before 2007, well before their first sb.

    But, itz easier to dismiss the allegations, easier on patriot fans minds than it is to see the truth.

    Yes and also indicted brady had access to teams signals even after the 15 second cutoff and as a patriots fan I believe that. I don’t believe however, that it was the reason for instance that Cassel was successful in 08(they had the best team in nfl history, best O by far returned from 07, with the easiest schedule). Or the reason that they are so unstoppable at home or during Dec. best example of this- SNF week 15, they started their cheating engines halfway through the 3rd to score 28 straight.

    Patriots will always be a successful organization. Spygate will always show on their legacy but does not diminish they are favored evey year to win the SB and were a top 3 team the last 2 decades. TWO

  100. metitometin says: Apr 12, 2013 3:18 PM

    I mean, this crap really pisses me off. It sounds like sour grapes to me on Kurt Warner’s part, and he’s trying to pass off the blame of his team’s ineptitude onto somebody else.

    Hey Kurt, why don’t you blame yourself for that pick you threw? Why don’t you blame Mike Martz for having no idea who Marshall Faulk was until it was too late.

    This is absolutely classless and completely unbecoming of Kurt Warner. In my mind, it completely tarnishes whatever legacy he had.

  101. quackbury says: Apr 12, 2013 3:25 PM

    Also, can someone explain the benefit of taping vs simply writing down the signals on paper? Does anyone really believe that tape magically turned a team into a billion dollar franchise and pen and paper couldnt?
    ==================================
    And why you’re at it, explain to me why taping AT GROUND LEVEL (the ONLY thing the Pats did that was illegal) is more effective than taping from the press box with a zoom lens? Like the coach is going to make subtle gestures that a defensive lineman with sweat streaming down his face could see from midfield at ground level, but a zoom lens in the box couldn’t?

    Do all you whiny losers know how pathetically stupid that sounds? SRSLY.

  102. sexyya says: Apr 12, 2013 3:50 PM

    The Pats were fined a lot because Goodell sent a note to all teams right before the season began that they know teams are doing this and they should stop doing it. It was the last of disrespect the Pats showed to the Office of the Commissioner that made the fine hefty.

  103. marima07 says: Apr 12, 2013 4:05 PM

    You want real cheating in the Super Bowl?

    The Carolina Panthers steroid doctor was sent to prison for loading his team’s players up on steroids and HGH.

    Eight of the Panthers’ starting players in the 2003 Super Bowl against the Patriots were found in the report to have been taking steroids.

    No big deal was made of it because the Patriots beat them by three points. That’s real cheating, and no one even blinks.

  104. jackericsson says: Apr 12, 2013 4:25 PM

    *

  105. patriotinvasion says: Apr 12, 2013 5:01 PM

    truthfactory says:
    Apr 12, 2013 9:49 AM
    Pats post-season win percentage during spygate: about 90%
    Pats post-season win percentage after spygate: about 50%

    I’m sure it’s just a coincidence…
    ____

    You conveniently leave out the fact that the Patriots DEFENSE pre and post spygate has been much different. But I’m sure you think that Bruschi, Vrabel, Law, McGinest, Harrison, and Seymour had nothing to do with them winning Super Bowls.

  106. patriotinvasion says: Apr 12, 2013 5:03 PM

    The Patriots offense scored a grand total of…wait for it…13 points in that Super Bowl, with 10 of those 13 points coming off turnovers that provided a short field.

    If an NFL offense truly “knows the other teams play calls” they would score a lot more than 13 points I can ensure you that. Especially against a Rams D that was just OK that year.

  107. jdmcg57 says: Apr 12, 2013 5:58 PM

    The Patriots got caught doing what every other team in the NFL was doing. One cannot be serious to believe ta no one else was stealing signs and taping coaches. The patriots were warned and got caught. Other teams were doing it too. They just did nit get caught.
    For anyone to feel that the Patriots were the only ones is someone who is terribly naive and very jealous of their success. I do not hear of other coaches complaining.

  108. jerrygray721 says: Apr 12, 2013 8:51 PM

    everytime the subject of cheating comes up the patriots get mentioned and that is a fact.now all you patriot fans can jump up and down and scream all you want but it is what it is and i for one would never ever root for my favorite team ever again if they were associated with cheating the way the patriots are. btw how is it that they find so many players either in late draft rounds or thru f/a that nobody wanted or just weren’t good enough and turn around and win 10-11 plus games every year in a league filled with parody? i dont call that great coaching i call it great camera work. cheat on new england your day will come

  109. vgferenzi says: Apr 13, 2013 2:00 AM

    I love the idea that “everyone” is doing something when a meathead’s team gets caught. Not a valid argument, the golden ratio shows that this is statistically improbable anyway, and there have been zero incidents or evidence or even rumors of this happening before or since. The Pats cheated for years, got caught several times by opposing teams who didn’t press the issue. What is really ridiculous is how people think it didn’t provide an advantage to see how teams line up against specific offenses. So they risked breaking the rules repeatedly to do something that didn’t help them? Oh, and how many rings since the lost the camcorder…ZERO.

  110. chi01town says: Apr 13, 2013 6:12 AM

    3 Phony superbowls, the Pats cheated, recording practices, Lip readers, you name it.. they done it.

  111. danallen2 says: Apr 13, 2013 9:14 AM

    Two things I always bring up about the Rams-Patriots SB.

    1. Someone was taping Patriots practice from a hotel window prior to the Super Bowl. NFL security saw it but the person was gone when they went to investigate.

    2. During the Rams’ walkthrough, they only practiced red zone plays. Guess what? The Patriots never stopped the Rams in the red zone in the Super Bowl.

  112. steelersreallysuck says: Apr 13, 2013 9:33 AM

    jerrygray721 what is your IQ? You’re as stupid as this post by Florio! All you jealous, pathetic losers have teams that suck so bad that your sad life has been reduced to hanging on to this! Hahahaha. I love it!

    I’ll just leave you with the truth: “The Patriots beat us in that game – they outplayed us, they deserved to win.” – Kurt Warner

  113. danallen2 says: Apr 13, 2013 11:31 AM

    You are seriously not in command of the facts with all the false claims you make. You’re posting out of total ignorance.

  114. jerrygray721 says: Apr 13, 2013 4:49 PM

    @steelersreallysuck- i see you are not smart enough to understand that if thats what warner really meant then he would have just left it at that but he didn’t now did he? warner as well as quite a few others have thrown out all sorts of comments/statements reguarding the patriots and the ways they have cheated either directly or indirectly but the common thread is that to many people for way to long have accused the patriots of cheating and you know what? they all can’t be wrong.but if your i.q. is so lo and your denial is so hi then you just keep tugging on the pats jock straps all you want.but please try to understand what it is your are reading before posting if you are not sure then ask an adult to help you with it o.k.

  115. geezohman says: Apr 13, 2013 5:53 PM

    someday, maybe one of the assistant coaches will come forward (if they used the signals) and spill the beans… you know.. like Canseco in baseball and drugs

  116. hairpie says: Apr 14, 2013 2:27 AM

    Another point that invalidates the the argument that they “Havent won since they stopped taping”… If Asante Samuel didnt choke and drop and easy pick to end the SB, the Pats would have gone 19-0 without taping. I am sure the fact that they hadnt taped, had nothing to do with his ability to hold onto the ball. He catches that and there is no argument for the whiners.

  117. materialman80 says: Apr 15, 2013 3:38 PM

    They cheated, the NFL knows they cheated. Warner and Faulk know they cheated. The NFL covered it up because they didn’t want the scandal.

  118. TheWizard says: Apr 16, 2013 7:17 PM

    Somebody tell me – specifically – how they cheated in any of those Super Bowls, and provide one shred of evidence.

    Those Rams are coming off as real losers, and I always had respect for Warner.

    But I’m losing it.

  119. texpete says: Apr 18, 2013 6:07 AM

    I had forgotten about this until a couple a months ago I saw a story about Kraft on HBO or something can’t recall but they asked him about his relationship with Belichick over the years. Of course they went right to that and asked why he didn’t fire him. He says ask Bill. So cue Bill and they asked him if he thought he was done for good.

    He says yeah, Kraft calls me in and I knew it was to fire me. He said, “Bill be honest with me. How much did that cost you in fines? How much did that cost me?” So he throws out whatever it was. “Now be honest Bill did it work? I mean how many games did we win because of it?” Belichick says, “Honestly when we were able to use it we figured that it gave us a 5-10% improvement on what we were calling as a coaching staff”

    He said Kraft looks at him and says, “Was it worth it? I mean did we spend our money well there.” Belichick said not even close.

    He said Kraft stands up and says, “Well the next time you pull something like that it better work and be worth what we paid for it or you better damn well not do it.”

    Interesting.

  120. fearthehoody says: Apr 18, 2013 11:23 PM

    Smells like a lotta hate! Take in that aroma, because all the crying cant erase the fact the Pats won those Super Bowls. And 100% of the Nation does not care what joeschmoenflfan2013 on a message board thinks anyway!

  121. scoocha says: Apr 19, 2013 5:28 PM

    Warner seems to have changed his tune over the years. Belichick probably paid him off.
    Listen, everyone knows NE cheated, no one is looking to take the title away, but continued denials just look worse and worse. Maybe a retired player will come out in 20 years and admit what everyone knows to be true.

    Also, there is no “Nation”, that’s just a ridiculous concoction but homegrown ESPN. Red Sox/Patriots have no global/national presence anywhere but New England.

  122. corporate1raider says: Apr 19, 2013 6:45 PM

    OH Pleez! It’s so obvious they cheated. It’s like the Lance Armstrong thing. Every other elite athlete on earth is doping and using steroids except Lance and yet, somehow, he manages to win the most grueling (supposedly) event in sport SEVEN TIMES IN A ROW. The Patriots cheated plain a simple. If you were told this story about your neighbor what conclusion would you come to? Just because you can’t prove it, or can’t change it, does not mean it didn’t happen. They cheated.

    But, more importantly, if Warner goes into the HOF before Jim Plunkett a great injustice will be perpetrated.

    Warner won 1, lost 2, and threw the longest interception returned for a TD is SB history.

    Jim went twice, won twice in 4 years. He did it coming off the bench the first time leading the first wild-card to ever win it all. And he did it the second time essentially playing the entire season on the road because they were the L.A. Raiders at the time.

    Jim is the ONLY TWO TIME CHAMPION to NOT be in the Hall of Fame.

    This makes me sick.

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