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Church cancels Leroy Butler speech over Jason Collins tweet

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Former Packers safety Leroy Butler was supposed to give a speech at a Wisconsin church this week. But that speech was canceled when Butler had the temerity to say something nice about NBA player Jason Collins on Twitter.

When Collins came out as gay on Tuesday, Butler tweeted, “Congrats to Jason Collins.” Those four words were enough to make the church decide that Butler lacks the morals to speak to its congregation.

Butler recounted on his verified Twitter account (@leap36 because he wore No. 36 and invented the Lambeau Leap) that he was informed he’s no longer welcome at the church because he dared to congratulate Collins.

“Wow, I was scheduled to speak at a church in WI, and a member said that the pastor wants to cancel my event. I said ok why? Then I was told, because I said congrats to Jason Collins on Twitter,” Butler wrote. “I said really? we have a contract, he said check the moral cause, FYI the fee was $8,500, then I was told if I removed the tweet, and apologize and ask god forgiveness, I can have the event. I said no, only god can judge.”

Leroy Butler may have lost a speaking appearance, but he no doubt gained a lot of fans.

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  1. deevo265 says: May 1, 2013 9:57 AM

    Tebow is available.

  2. blackandbluedivision says: May 1, 2013 9:58 AM

    The first of many. This is going to be a very strange domino effect. People have the right to hold tight to their beliefs.

  3. bigwinintx says: May 1, 2013 9:59 AM

    Just as Jason Collins has the right to live his life as he fits, so does the church has it’s rights to decide what is fit for it’s congregation.

    Not everybody is gonna fall head over heels for some guy who “comes out”.

    Part of tolerance is to respect other views when they feel a different way.

  4. snowdogbilly says: May 1, 2013 9:59 AM

    Wow…I guess he is not entitled to having a non bigoted opinion. Good for him though.

  5. skeebo80 says: May 1, 2013 9:59 AM

    Church has a right to feel the way it does and so does does Leroy Butler. Moving on!

  6. footballhistorian says: May 1, 2013 10:00 AM

    The bible is pretty clear in both the old and new testements about this being wrong. Whether you agree with it or not is up to you, but it’s not hard to find what is said.

  7. kyannalashae says: May 1, 2013 10:01 AM

    Packers fan here and Huge Leroy Butler fan…but I’m also a Christian,Let me say this… Just Because This Particular Church In Wisconsin Cancelled Leroy’s Speaking Engagement Doesn’t Mean All Christians Are Like That!

    Please Don’t Generalize Us!!!

    But if you’re wondering…I do not support what this Church has done…but I also do not support Jason Collins or Same-Sex Marriage either.

  8. nj22 says: May 1, 2013 10:01 AM

    Just became a Leroy Butler fan. Good man. How dare he show tolerance to others!

  9. muskyhunter2542 says: May 1, 2013 10:02 AM

    Butler wrote. “I said really? we have a contract, he said check the moral cause, FYI the fee was $8,500, then I was told if I removed the tweet, and apologize and ask god forgiveness, I can have the event. I said no, only god can judge.”

    Good for you Leroy.

  10. steel420 says: May 1, 2013 10:03 AM

    LOL, and people wonder why it’s being made such a big deal. Too bad so much of this beautiful country is littered with trash like this pastor.

  11. mrpresident2 says: May 1, 2013 10:04 AM

    That’s unacceptable on the churches part.
    However, to anyone who says the whole religion is bad, you’re horribly wrong. Don’t blame God when people misinterpret his word.

  12. tmoore4075 says: May 1, 2013 10:06 AM

    “I said no, only god can judge.”

    This is what way too many humans seem to forget. You believe in God? Then let him judge people. It’s not your job.

  13. mpnieland says: May 1, 2013 10:07 AM

    The bigger crime is that a church was willing to pay $8500 for a motivational speech when they could’ve used that money to help people by donating to charities.

    Mega-churches = Mega-hypocrites.

  14. reg3835reg3835 says: May 1, 2013 10:07 AM

    Organized religion is evil. It makes people judge and hate.

  15. nyyjetsknicks says: May 1, 2013 10:07 AM

    mrpresident2 says:
    May 1, 2013 10:04 AM
    That’s unacceptable on the churches part.
    However, to anyone who says the whole religion is bad, you’re horribly wrong. Don’t blame God when people misinterpret his word.

    __________________

    Or don’t be over the age of 9 and still believe in fairy tales.

  16. jimthebuilder27 says: May 1, 2013 10:09 AM

    Some “good Christians” they are. They’re not supposed to judge, but like too many do, they’re mean spirited and judgemental.

  17. jrock3x8 says: May 1, 2013 10:10 AM

    “lacks the morals” is probably a bit strong.

    True Christians aren’t into judging like that.

  18. blchaney69 says: May 1, 2013 10:11 AM

    Yeah, Because Hollywood forbid that Christians should stand up for what they believe in.. Apparently Christians are the Only ones who are NOT allowed to Voice their opnion!!! If Butler is truely a Christian he should know that God doesnt think its ok.. And Congratulating him for that is like Congratulating him for Sinning!! Good Job Leroy!!!

  19. gohometrolls says: May 1, 2013 10:12 AM

    Good on you mr butler.

  20. bennyb82 says: May 1, 2013 10:12 AM

    Breaking News…Roger Goodell has suspended the pastor for 4 sermons calling his conduct detrimental to the NFL.

  21. antneejay2 says: May 1, 2013 10:14 AM

    Good one, deevo265!

    Hating in the name of God. I never could grasp the concept. It says so in the bible? People make the bible say whatever suits their agenda.

  22. 85bear says: May 1, 2013 10:14 AM

    “I said no, only god can judge.”

    God did judge. It’s called His Word. He can’t be any clearer. Have you read about Sodom and why it was destroyed? The church and the pastor has the right to reject anyone that doesn’t hold to God’s words as the standard. Leroy Butler can feel free to give his speech at city hall or any other public place. As you know, the mention of God in any public place is unacceptable in our society.

    Our society is keeping God out of anyplace public but now they want to bring secularism into the church. Enough.

  23. hedphurst says: May 1, 2013 10:14 AM

    Good for Butler, but doesn’t it seem obscene that a church would spend $8500 on a guest speaker, instead of using that money to do something that’s actually meaningful – like feed and clothe the poor and homeless or help the sick get medical care?

  24. zn0rseman says: May 1, 2013 10:15 AM

    It is scary to think of a society where people are afraid to have any sort of moral code, and that everyone is forced to be tolerant of any and all sorts of choices and/or actions because to have any kind of judgement would be considered to be intolerant. It is an insane point of view.

    Having people hold others accountable for their actions and choices is a good thing for any society. Whether one views people choosing a deviant lifestyle as morally wrong or not, one must realize that having no moral code and no repercussions for any actions or choices is bad thing for society.

    So, good for the church for standing up for what they beleive in and holding onto their moral code in spite of thr hate and intolerance they will get from the left.

  25. nj22 says: May 1, 2013 10:15 AM

    “Being gay is wrong” says the member of the biggest band of child molesters on the planet! LOL

  26. osiris33 says: May 1, 2013 10:16 AM

    Really, if only God can judge why did he put his judgement in the Bible for Man to know?

    So we can act and live by it, that’s why.

    The Pastor is the one acting on principal here and the one facing all the bigotry because of it. But then, in the liberal world view, bigotry against Christians is the only bigotry that’s tolerated, if not celebrated.

  27. upperdecker19 says: May 1, 2013 10:17 AM

    Churches are shelling out cash for speakers??? If the church thought it could recoop $8,500.01 in the collection basket for this appearance…..you’d bet he’d still be speaking. Church = tax exempt big business

  28. bahoto34 says: May 1, 2013 10:19 AM

    As a bears fan, it kills me to say something nice about a packer (former or current) but good for you butler….much respect

  29. deliveredbysherpa says: May 1, 2013 10:19 AM

    I never saw you play, Mr. Butler, but I am putting a your poster on my wall! Hall of Fame!

  30. blacknole08 says: May 1, 2013 10:22 AM

    Butler has the right to support what he wants and the church has the right to not have him speak for not supporting what they represent.

    However, I do find it funny that the church was willing to have him as a speaker BEFORE he made those tweets.

    Seems like Butler was judged for his words and not for the person he is.

  31. Slim Charles says: May 1, 2013 10:22 AM

    It’s going to be great when religion as an excuse won’t fly for anti-gay bigotry any more. Remember, the church in the south used to use the bible to justify slavery. The church should be forced to pay taxes since being anti-gay is a political stance, not a moral one.

  32. ryanrockzzz says: May 1, 2013 10:24 AM

    Only churches can single out a type of person, tell everyone to stay away from them, want to deny them rights, and do it all in the name of religion and not feel any sort of prejudice. It would have been crazy if all these churches told people to hate/deny blacks during the Civil Rights stuggle….*thinks* Wait a minute..didn’t they…anyways that’s a story for another day. Leroy will be fine, glad he was showing support even if it’s not what he would want to see.

  33. anonymouslyanonymouscommentor says: May 1, 2013 10:25 AM

    Narrow-minded people are all the same. Some just put up an altruistic front.

  34. noaxetogrind says: May 1, 2013 10:27 AM

    Count me in with the majority who have expressed on here that both Leroy and the Church have a right to their opinion. Interestingly enough though, there have been no condemnations on here toward Leroy, only toward that church or pastor. So much for the so called tolerance that many claim they want. As a previous poster already noted correctly, the Bible is not ambiguous on this issue. I clearly understand that many put little stock in the Bible and I respect your right to give it no validity. That being said, you should be able to comprehend however that his comments might be disconcerting to those that do, such as a church group. I personally am not near as vexed about the whole gay issue as many but I must say that from an objective view point it seems to me that those sympathetic to the gay cause are much less tolerant of the opposing view than those not sympathetic to the gay cause. Exhibit A, this thread. Exhibit B, I have heard no one bash Collins for coming out but I have heard many negative comments from the media on Chris Broussard giving his opinion. Whats that saying about people who live in glass houses?

  35. getyourownname says: May 1, 2013 10:28 AM

    “The bible is pretty clear in both the old and new testements about this being wrong.”

    The Bible has been invoked to justify slavery, too.

  36. joe2jerry says: May 1, 2013 10:30 AM

    So if a pastor who believes what the Bible says doesn’t want someone who believes differently speaking to the church he is a hater, biggot, judgmental person, ect? Would you let someone come in your house and speak to your family if you knew their beliefs and values didn’t match yours? Before you say “of course!” Think through that a minuite.

  37. justintuckrule says: May 1, 2013 10:32 AM

    Sue the church for breach of contract. There’s nothing immoral about congratulating a person for coming out of the closet.

  38. blchaney69 says: May 1, 2013 10:33 AM

    hating? HO SAID HATING? Not thinking a sin is ok and hating are two different things… Do you think its ok to cheat on your spouse? No different!!

  39. replacementwriter says: May 1, 2013 10:34 AM

    People are too quick to use the term bigot for anyone who has beliefs that differ from their own, making them instant hypocrites.

  40. slickster35 says: May 1, 2013 10:34 AM

    Leroy Butler should be ashamed of himself for charging $8500 for a motivational speech.

    I think we all know what his motivation is, and it ain’t some god.

  41. cochranlawyer says: May 1, 2013 10:36 AM

    Nice work mr. Butler. Proud that you stood on your values and did not apologize because of the money. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I am glad you expressed yours and held firm instead of capitulating to their offer to move forward if u denounced your previous words.

  42. macneil4025 says: May 1, 2013 10:37 AM

    People of religion are so funny, they love u if u are brain washed the same way they are, and hate u if u dont believe in fairy tales, what an awesome world! Skol Vikes!

  43. shackdelrio says: May 1, 2013 10:37 AM

    A church spending $8,500 on a guest speaker but Butler needs to ask God for forgiveness??

  44. genericcommenter says: May 1, 2013 10:37 AM

    It’s their right to set their own standards, but it seems pretty for such a benign tweet.

  45. bobby2478 says: May 1, 2013 10:38 AM

    He’s absolutely right, only god can judge him. Self righteous people who view themselves as infallible don’t have the right to judge ANYONE. All to often however, they sit high and mighty on their soap box throwing stones and judging everyone but themselves.

  46. tndiver says: May 1, 2013 10:38 AM

    The sad thing is that so much could be read into his tweet. He never says he supports gays or gay marriage, but just congratulated him, which was not specific, and therefore I don’t think would hold up in court as a violation of the morals clause. I would take them to court just on principle.

  47. micknangold says: May 1, 2013 10:41 AM

    they were gonna pay leroy butler $8500 to speak? forget about tolerance, fiscal responsibility is this congregations biggest problem.

  48. krank00 says: May 1, 2013 10:41 AM

    I am ok with both holding to their convictions. Not sure he gained anymore fans than he lost but I appreciate that he held to his beliefs and does not ride the fence like a politician. I also think it is ok that the church decided to spend their $8500 on something that promotes their beliefs.

  49. classyjacklambert says: May 1, 2013 10:43 AM

    And people wonder why there is such a push against religion these days.

  50. lucimorland says: May 1, 2013 10:43 AM

    I think we’ve reached the tipping point where, instead of it being socially unacceptable to be gay, it’s become socially unacceptable to be anti-gay.

    This is a very good thing for society and a very bad thing for people whose sole purpose in life is packaging up the love of Jesus and selling it as hatred or bigotry. (And I’m an atheist, not a Christian out selling Jesus’ wares)

  51. glac1 says: May 1, 2013 10:45 AM

    That Protestant church, like Mr. Collins has the right to do that. It should work both ways. Welcome to the USA…

  52. scoops1 says: May 1, 2013 10:46 AM

    Reggie White would agree with the chruch

  53. purpleguy says: May 1, 2013 10:49 AM

    Gee, people in Wisconsin being narrow minded? Who woulda thought?

  54. daysend564 says: May 1, 2013 10:56 AM

    People here bashing the church are the same ones that supported Champion when they revoked Mendenhall’s deal for speaking his mind.

  55. briscocountyjr says: May 1, 2013 10:57 AM

    Still gives me a chuckle that peoples lives are steered by a 1,000+ yr old book.

  56. davesecrest says: May 1, 2013 11:05 AM

    “The Bible is pretty clear, in both the old and new Testaments” about a lot of things: Slavery, owning women as property, stoning women for adultery – to death. Allowing men to have multiple wives, AND mistresses, AND harems- all held as property.

    We evolve. It’s not always comfortable. People don’t like to lose control. Fear manifests itself as anger, bigotry and intolerance. These things are inevitably surpassed by courage, love and wisdom.

    Thumbs up to Jason Collins, Jackie Robinson, Rosa Parks.

    Thumbs up to Jesus Christ.

  57. broncostevenp says: May 1, 2013 11:05 AM

    THIS is one of the problems with organized religion. Bombs, child molesters, closet homesexuals that bash gay men and women (i.e. Ted Haggard).

    A war had never been fought over religion until there was only one “God.”

  58. milesrunner262 says: May 1, 2013 11:06 AM

    He is free to tweet what he wants and the church is free to uninvite him. I have no problem with either event. J. Collins can preach from the rooftops about his sexuality and T. Tebow can preach from wherever he wants. I honestly don’t care. My football team stinks and I want to read how they are going to get better. That’s all I really care about!

  59. briscocountyjr says: May 1, 2013 11:10 AM

    Unfortunately the church establishment in this country has circumvented taxes. $8k for a speaker? A church is a business that has gone on too long without contributing to our system…yet reaps a lot of financial benefits.

  60. filthymcnasty1 says: May 1, 2013 11:11 AM

    People are more tolerant in MN because you can’t tell the men from the women.

  61. steeelfann says: May 1, 2013 11:13 AM

    Gee, only 2000+ years gone by, people already going back to Roman days. Didn’t take long to forget teachings, did it?

  62. fossilrabbit says: May 1, 2013 11:13 AM

    Demands for respect by churches and religions are ludicrous. The only thing a church may demand is the right to exist and believe whatever it is they want to believe. That’s it. Respect will come from your followers.
    I do not respect any religion, in fact, I have contempt for them.
    Good for Leroy Butler for recognizing another human being’s right to exist in peace.
    My message for Leroy: there is no god, there never was, and there never will be.

  63. bigdaddyrockytop says: May 1, 2013 11:14 AM

    I’m curious as to who wrote the bible? If God himself did feel free to follow it to the letter. If some uneducated men some couple hundred years ago did, well thats another story.

  64. thejuddstir says: May 1, 2013 11:16 AM

    This coming from a State where first cousins marry……and I would bet the minister of this church performed many of those type marriages.

  65. 303bengalguy says: May 1, 2013 11:16 AM

    $8,500 for a speech at a church??????

    That collection plate is more rockin’ on Sunday’s than Lambeau! Suckers….

  66. ahs2 says: May 1, 2013 11:18 AM

    I thought that jesus guy said to love everyone…I can’t understand why in this day & age, people rely on such silliness to get through life.

    More later, gotta go, there’s a snake at the door selling apples…

  67. metitometin says: May 1, 2013 11:21 AM

    Thank God I’m not religious. What sort of garbage are they teaching at church nowadays anyway??

  68. swagger52 says: May 1, 2013 11:24 AM

    Once you let the fox into the hen house, it never ends people. Gay this..Gay that…This is what he thinks…This doesn’t end with marriage. That is the beginning of a constant barrage of Gay this..Gay that…Who is Gay..Who isn’t Gay. Thanks Obama.

  69. duece5 says: May 1, 2013 11:25 AM

    zn0rseman says: May 1, 2013 10:15 AM

    It is scary to think of a society where people are afraid to have any sort of moral code, and that everyone is forced to be tolerant of any and all sorts of choices and/or actions because to have any kind of judgement would be considered to be intolerant. It is an insane point of view.

    Having people hold others accountable for their actions and choices is a good thing for any society. Whether one views people choosing a deviant lifestyle as morally wrong or not, one must realize that having no moral code and no repercussions for any actions or choices is bad thing for society.

    So, good for the church for standing up for what they beleive in and holding onto their moral code in spite of thr hate and intolerance they will get from the left.

    duece 5 says:

    znorseman, that is one of the most well-stated, common sense statement I have heard about this subject from ANYONE.

    How ironic in that if you view the gay stance differently than the Left, you are non-tolerant and hateful! NOT SO!!!

    Then, those same people who spew to be “tolerant”, are the same people that “judge” you for your supposed “intolerance”.

    Can’t have it both ways.

    What i hate is when players such as Kobe Bryant tweet right away his “support”.

    Really Kobe? Is that how you honestly feel? Or, is it good PR for you?

    Coming from the guy who has had multi affairs……wow…thanks Kobe…..nice moral compass!!

  70. seaochickens says: May 1, 2013 11:29 AM

    This church should be demonized, not because their opinion is against the law, but when it’s against your opinion. One of the reasons free speech does not need to be governed, is because the punishment for free speech is the reply. Neither Butler or this article are asking for this to be illegal, but by posting it are making it available for the inherent punishment of a reply.

    It’s hard hard to reconcile missionaries and not welcoming everyone to your church.

  71. swagger52 says: May 1, 2013 11:30 AM

    Sodom and Gomorrah thought they had a right to evolve as they please as well.

    You would get pretty sick about me talking about the above right?

    Well I hope you then understand how sick I am of you trying to convince me that everything revolves around your views of gay marriage.

  72. ddjesus says: May 1, 2013 11:32 AM

    The bible is pretty clear that only god can judge a man, so it’s extremely hilarious how many people casually toss that out. “It’s ok, god gave me a special judgement license!”

    And yes people, you can be a bigot even if the source for your bigotry is in the bible. It just means those men in the desert, who wrote their books a few hundred years after Jesus died, were bigots too!

  73. packerblitz says: May 1, 2013 11:32 AM

    Everyone needs to chill out and stop being so politically correct. If a church doesn’t want to pay LeRoy $8500 because of what he said, thats their business.

    Another thing, why would LeRoy charge a church that much to be a motivational speaker? He couldn’t do it just to, oh I dunno, be a good person and motivate?

  74. realfootballfan says: May 1, 2013 11:36 AM

    This is where religious zealots lose people. It’s beyond absurd to hold everyone to your teachings. The gay rights thing is a legal issue that has absolutely nothing to do with religious thinking on the subject, no different from other so called “moral” dilemmas for religious people that is protected under the law, period, end of subject.

    Saying that our government shouldn’t get into the realm of legislating morality, which I don’t have to tell anyone is subjective to every person up to a certain point of reason, especially for something so dumb to be worried about when it doesn’t effect your life is a slippery slope.

    In that case, do these people want smoking outlawed, drinking, overeating, adultery, etc?

    Those actions actually could affect you, but there’s no soap box for these people to stand on for those “sins” is there?

  75. johnelwayishorsefaced says: May 1, 2013 11:42 AM

    Organized religion is a joke, this church is a joke and this pastor is undoubtedly a joke. It’s time to revoke the tax exempt status of religious organizations and make them start paying taxes like every other individual and business.

  76. bru308 says: May 1, 2013 11:44 AM

    The Bible does not teach man to hate, but it does outline the punishments for having ignorance towards sin. Leroy doesn’t have to hate anybody, no matter their life choices, but to turn a blind eye to sin is enough for any church to cancel a speech. No harm there.

    But Leroy said it best, God is the final judge. I’m glad that Leroy had good intentions with his tweet, but he has to remember that he was dealing with a church. A church that preaches against ignorance if sin.

  77. bigdon76 says: May 1, 2013 11:45 AM

    What a joke. You will be persecuted if you have an opinion. Can only imagine if martin luther king jr. could not give his opinion. Lol. #hurtfeelingsgetoverit

  78. mullman76 says: May 1, 2013 11:46 AM

    Religion came about due to the fear of the unknown, the fear of things we could not control or understand. Christianity, Taoism, Buddhism, the rain god and witchcraft- all born from which we could not understand. Religion is the biggest farce in the history of mankind.

    ” I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi

  79. bobbyhoying says: May 1, 2013 11:47 AM

    Anyone who takes the time to study the Bible knows what Romans 1, 22 – 32 says about the topic. People who speak in a church, who don’t know or understand Romans 1, 22 – 32 are simply apostates and need not to attempt to instruct others. Either you believe the Bible is the inspired Word of God or you do not and are willing to take your chances facing Him with that approach when you die.

  80. skinsfan91 says: May 1, 2013 11:52 AM

    What about the fact that Leroy and I’m sure the chuch’s congregation where colors of a different fabric together at the same time? That’s also forbidden in the bible. Why is that not enforced? If every word of it is thee word of god then every word should followed to a T. But no, the gay issue is the only one they get worked up about. Pathetic.

  81. scandiman says: May 1, 2013 11:55 AM

    I used to Pastor in WI. My life was destroyed my arrogant people who felt that they were defending God as they engaged in a campaign of slander and defamation. My ‘crime’ was trying to create a culture of acceptance to other people.

    The former pastor got what he wanted. He destroyed me and finagled his son-in-law to take the church!

    As an ordained minister, I can tell you that Corporate Christianity and organized religion are rapidly becoming a thing of the past.

    It has been said:
    Christianity was a person in Bethlehem
    It became a religion in Rome
    and a business in America!

    I have to agree with that statement and completely see why so many are adverse to Christians and those who wear their ‘faith’ on their sleeves instead of in their hearts.

  82. buckybadger says: May 1, 2013 11:58 AM

    noaxetogrind, tolerance has to go both ways and this church showed none. It is these kinds of actions that spread hate and in the end prevent certain people from getting their civil liberties. Get a clue.

  83. hockeyfan28 says: May 1, 2013 12:01 PM

    Kermit Gosnell and his supporters are a far bigger threat to the morals of society then a backup center coming out of the closet

  84. realfootballfan says: May 1, 2013 12:10 PM

    For the guy knocking MN women as a joke, I had to say, it’s one of the cities I’ve been most pleasantly surprised by nice the female talent just walking around. I’ve only been there a couple of times, but I’m asking the other men, am I off base on this assessment and I just caught Minneapolis on a good couple of days?

  85. dcsuperfan says: May 1, 2013 12:17 PM

    Being intolerant of gays is not a political issue, it’s a human issue. Being gay is not a “moral choice.” You’re born gay. So you can’t claim your right to worship as a right to insist on the continued subjugation of a minority. That is the very DEFINITION of bigotry, so stop crying about “liberal hypocrisy!” We’re not being intolerant of your right to ignorance and hate, just your right to impose it on our fellow humans. Christians, please stop whining about “persecution” just because you don’t get to call the shots!

  86. steel420 says: May 1, 2013 12:19 PM

    noaxetogrind says:
    May 1, 2013 10:27 AM
    I personally am not near as vexed about the whole gay issue as many but I must say that from an objective view point it seems to me that those sympathetic to the gay cause are much less tolerant of the opposing view than those not sympathetic to the gay cause.

    >>>U think??? Ummm, maybe because one side is teaching hate while the other is teaching equality?!? Why should anyone accept hate? Would you’ve supported the KKK’s right to hate black people? LOL, people think we’re so evolved, but the African-American Civil Rights Movement was only 50 years ago!

  87. yssupasigninnamnotyep says: May 1, 2013 12:20 PM

    Good for that church!

  88. packerfantastic says: May 1, 2013 12:21 PM

    This highlights an unfortunate consequence of Twitter, Facebook, and other social media. What should have been a private matter between the church and Leroy Butler is broadcast to the masses. Now, what should have been none of our business is creating a stir resulting in people using harsh, attacking words directed to other people whose real names they don’t even know. Social media makes it far easier to attack one another than to have a civil discussion and at some point agree to disagree. This doesn’t bode well for our society’s future if we resort to the extremes and attack one another. The church says, “Love one another.” The other side say, “Be tolerant of others.” Yet neither completely fulfill the standard it raises.

  89. yajas says: May 1, 2013 12:24 PM

    The bible was written by human beings. It’s about as much of a divine creation as my grocery list.

  90. broncfanwa says: May 1, 2013 12:28 PM

    Not a Packer fan. Just became a Leroy Butler fan. He may not have “morals” (feh) but he has principles, and it’s a safe bet his morals will stack up against those of that church any day, too!

    good on ya, Leroy!

  91. krispyone says: May 1, 2013 12:28 PM

    osiris33 says:
    May 1, 2013 10:16 AM
    Really, if only God can judge why did he put his judgement in the Bible for Man to know?

    So we can act and live by it, that’s why.

    The Pastor is the one acting on principal here and the one facing all the bigotry because of it. But then, in the liberal world view, bigotry against Christians is the only bigotry that’s tolerated, if not celebrated.

    Really?? He also said that women are property, that have to serve and listen to thier husbands. Do you live by this also?? If not you are a hypocrite!!

  92. mullman76 says: May 1, 2013 12:33 PM

    Science or Religion.

    You can only pick one.

    Fairy tales or evidence.

    Decide.

  93. juliusanonymous says: May 1, 2013 12:36 PM

    And Christians wonder why their religion is losing popularity and shrinking worldwide. Maybe it has something to do with your world view and dogma being one of hatred and intolerance. The world is turning its back on that stuff.

  94. Stiller43 says: May 1, 2013 12:38 PM

    Youve gotta love when religion practices discrimination and hate! SMH. When will people learn?

    These same people are the ones condemning muslim extremists for committing acts of terrorism…well hey, theyre just standing up for their beliefs, just like they are here. Maybe everyone should learn how to tolerate and accept others, even if its not what some guy wrote that god wants. Think for yourself!

  95. pastorpink20 says: May 1, 2013 12:48 PM

    My question is, what is he doing charging a church $8,500 for anyway?!? That is ridiculous! For the man to charge that, and for the church to agree to pay that!

  96. duece5 says: May 1, 2013 12:50 PM

    mullman76 says: May 1, 2013 11:46 AM

    Religion came about due to the fear of the unknown, the fear of things we could not control or understand. Christianity, Taoism, Buddhism, the rain god and witchcraft- all born from which we could not understand. Religion is the biggest farce in the history of mankind.

    ” I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi

    duece5 says:

    You couldn’t be more wrong about where Christianity came from, mullman76.

    It came from actual people from 2 thousands of years ago, that SAW Jesus Christ actually perform miracles, SAW him preach, SAW him pillaged and crucified.

    Roman law from that time even writes about this “Jesus” who was stirring the land…..speaking about love, forgiveness, fairness, right and wrong, love your neighbor as your own……those with no sin to cast the first stone, etc……

    If you don’t believe in Christ, why do you quote Ghandi, who DOES??!!

    You make zero sense, but that’s okay. Christ is waiting for you!

    Answer HIS call!!!!

  97. dalcow4 says: May 1, 2013 12:52 PM

    “As an ordained minister, I can tell you that Corporate Christianity and organized religion are rapidly becoming a thing of the past.”
    —————————————-

    Meh. Despite the me-first attitude of many Christians today, organized religion is growing everywhere. And just the fact that you label yourself “an ordained minister” shows that you put value on organized religion.

    You want it both ways. You want to make it all about the individual, yet reserve the right to set yourself apart as superior to all those individuals because you are “an ordained minister.”

    The American idea of Christianity– “Each individual can decide what Jesus meant, said, taught, wanted etc– and all be equally right… Is an invention. Did you miss the part where Our Lord said, “I will build my church”?

  98. hooterdawg says: May 1, 2013 12:54 PM

    Why is the media so focused on gay lifestyles?

  99. kevishu says: May 1, 2013 1:01 PM

    Religion is such a sensitive subject. This is why I’m not religious. Too many specific beliefs, or “rules”, that can be so controversial in a globally dependant society.

  100. grudenthediva says: May 1, 2013 1:03 PM

    The same people that are butthurt here and saying its a non issue are the ones who would be wetting their pants if Leroy Butler had said “Jason Collins is a sinner” and the church had cancelled his contract. Then we’d see all the usual and wholly ignorant comments about the First Amendment, the PC police, the intolerant tolerance advocates, etc. If ESPN fired Rob Parker, most of you wouldn’t balk. If they fired Chris Broussard, then you’d be screaming about injustice.

    News flash: You have the freedom to say what you want but it often comes with consequences. Whining about political correctness gone amok just shows what a mental midget you are. You don’t have an unfettered right to say stupid crap and just get away with it (within reason, of course…surely a lot of you were just as outraged when the Dixie Chicks were getting death threats for insulting Chief Cowboy, right?).

    Butler has every right to speak his mind and the church has the right to do what they feel is best. Hate gays or the lifestyle? Fine. It’s your personal choice. Hate gays and want to use that hatred to deny equal justice under the law, as promised by the Constitution you so selectively hide behind when it suits your own purposes? Then you’ve got a problem, and whining about intolerance won’t do you any good then.

  101. silentfrost says: May 1, 2013 1:04 PM

    The bible was written by man, edited by man, and manipulated by man. I was raised Roman Catholic but our pastor did not preach the hate I see all over the place these days. MAN has no right to judge anyone.

    Let ye without sin cast the first stone.

    Do you eat bacon? Hell-worthy sin.
    Are your ears pierced? Hell-worthy sin.
    Do you eat Lobster, shrimp, clams, or scallops? Hell-worthy sin.
    What are your clothes made of? Is the textile mixed? Hell-worthy sin.

    Before you condemn others, take a look in the mirror and realize, you’re probably just as full of ‘sin’ as you think someone else is. The bible is not a guideline for damning yourself or anyone else, it’s a set of STORIES designed by MAN to try and help society live with some basics in morality.

    Glass houses people, glass houses.

  102. mwatts1 says: May 1, 2013 1:11 PM

    @ The bible is pretty clear in both the old and new testements about this being wrong. Whether you agree with it or not is up to you, but it’s not hard to find what is said..

    The Bible also says that divorce is bad but there are plenty of people who do that. It also states no sex before marriage… it also states that women are second class… the Bible says a lot that people don’t practice.

  103. qdog112 says: May 1, 2013 1:14 PM

    Pay the man and shut up.

  104. bravesfan132 says: May 1, 2013 1:20 PM

    For those of you that say bravo to the church for sticking up for their beliefs, and that it’s not fair for people to put the church down for doing so, I will say this; when people work toward inequality, they are put down. Racial discrimination was taken up by the church for years, with passages in the bible somehow defending this. The churches in defense were often put down for their beliefs involving discrimination. It happens, and discrimination based on race is not accepted by general public. The tides are turning in the same way for gay rights, quit getting pissed off about it, and embrace it already. Same sex marriage is right around the corner, and there’s no stopping it.

  105. swagger52 says: May 1, 2013 1:28 PM

    By Forcing “Gaydom” down our throat, you are making VALUE judgements on us.

    All people, not just all Relgions, LOVE to make value judgements on other people.

    Just stop…If you think Gay is so great…That is your decision. So..Turn on the NFL and stop talking about Gaydom.

  106. lions81slappy says: May 1, 2013 1:32 PM

    first off don’t really get all the articles on lifestyles of athletes but whatever. the problem i have with all the bible beaters is that the book teaches us to treat all men equally, to have tolerance, not to use violence unless necessary to defend oneself, yet it is from the same religion whence the crusades came. Christianity has never, in practice, been tolerant of anyone of another creed or belief system.

  107. ty49er4life says: May 1, 2013 1:36 PM

    To the idiots calling this deviant behavior. He doesn’t choose to be gay. I will beverages understand how people can be so ignorant to believe that guys choose to be with other guys have you seen us we are gross. It’s sad you relious types don’t think gay people or any non Christians deserve to be happy. I think the world would be a better place if people could just accept that some people believe differently from them and there’s nothing wrong with that.

  108. tokyosandblaster says: May 1, 2013 1:50 PM

    Anyone saying the bible forbids gay marriage should come on out to the public square. If you’ve ever worn fabric not of the same animal (everyone) or had a haircut while not grieving (95% of us), we will promptly stone you to death.

    After all, it’s what the bible says, right?

  109. mike0423 says: May 1, 2013 1:55 PM

    Good for the church. They shouldn’t have to apologize for their belief system.

  110. Mr. Wright 212 says: May 1, 2013 1:56 PM

    kyannalashae says: May 1, 2013 10:01 AM

    Packers fan here and Huge Leroy Butler fan…but I’m also a Christian,Let me say this… Just Because This Particular Church In Wisconsin Cancelled Leroy’s Speaking Engagement Doesn’t Mean All Christians Are Like That!

    Please Don’t Generalize Us!!!

    But if you’re wondering…I do not support what this Church has done…but I also do not support Jason Collins or Same-Sex Marriage either.

    ———————–

    You sound so confused. And the church was right in its stance. If you claim to not support the lifestyle, then you shouldn’t have any qualms with what that church did.

  111. Mr. Wright 212 says: May 1, 2013 2:03 PM

    You gotta love all the atheists who come out of the woodwork to bash the Lord (never with anything but angst, and doing so relentlessly) whenever the slightest mention of the church and the Bible is made ha.

  112. dalcow4 says: May 1, 2013 2:12 PM

    “Religion is such a sensitive subject. This is why I’m not religious. Too many specific beliefs, or “rules”, that can be so controversial in a globally dependant society.”
    ——————————-

    Wow— You adapt your beliefs because other people might find those beliefs controversial.

    Fascinating insight into a conformist’s mind.

  113. catquick says: May 1, 2013 2:26 PM

    The fans he gained arent worth having

  114. granadafan says: May 1, 2013 2:30 PM

    Some of you jsut don’t get it. It’s not hypocritical or “liberal” to point out the intolerance of evangelical religious fundamentalists when they are actively preaching hate and bigotry while hiding behind a 2000 year old book. If they’re going to take passages from the Bible literally to justify their bigotry against gays, then they have to take other passages literally like the ones spouting the same condemnation for those who have pre-marital sex.

  115. joe2jerry says: May 1, 2013 2:33 PM

    If you haven’t read the Bible, or you thought you heard something once from it, or you picked it up for a second please don’t tell people what it says.

    The pastor was right not to let him speak due to that church’s theology. He didn’t say he hated anyone. Your glasses will determine how you view this situation as did the author of this post.

  116. dalcow4 says: May 1, 2013 3:11 PM

    “Wow…I guess he is not entitled to having a non bigoted opinion. Good for him though.”
    ——————————————-

    -He is entitled to have whatever opinion he wants.
    -The church is entitled to have their opinion.
    -The church gets to decide who can speak at the church.

    Pretty simple.

  117. trevor123698 says: May 1, 2013 3:24 PM

    Now thats a quality church an its rare to see that today

  118. lovinthatsomanyhateonnd says: May 1, 2013 3:38 PM

    trevor123, actually its a terrible example of intolerance, judgement, and highlights a blatant hypocrisy. i for one am sick of people who say they love Jesus forget his teachings to suite their own misguided feelings. What did Jesus do when he came upon a slave to a roman soldier that was gay? berate him? NO..Ostracize him? NO. Treat him differently? NO. its time these people remember the time old phrase..”what would Jesus do?”..certainly not what many are doing, thats for sure

  119. deltaoracle says: May 1, 2013 3:39 PM

    No doubt the pastor believes absolutely everything that was put into the Bible thousands of years ago by whoever – you know, like a father being able to sell his daughters and all that. Surprised they would invite a football player anyway – football involves people laboring on the sabbath, whether you think the sabbath is Sunday or Saturday. Don’t think we’re supposed to play with pigskin either. Hallelujah!

  120. kevinzeemail says: May 1, 2013 4:18 PM

    I suppose they don’t want a repeat of the Reggie White Addressing Wisconsin Legislature. It would be a disaster if LeRoy Butler proclaimed that “Jesus is really good at sneaking out of his grave.”

  121. nathpz says: May 1, 2013 4:20 PM

    It’s funny how the only Old Testament “rules” these churches are super-serious about upholding are the ones that say gay people are evil.

    Why don’t more of these churches advocate that a raped woman be forced to marry her rapist? Or that an adulterer be stoned to death? Or the rules concerning who it is acceptable to keep as a slave? Those are all in the Old Testament, too.

    Oh, yeah, because modern society has widely accepted those notions as ridiculous. Just like it is accepting the notion that “gay = evil” is ridiculous. The Church changes its rules all the time; it just only does so once popular opinion about an issue is so obvious that they would lose members (and money) if they stood firm.

  122. tangysizzl says: May 1, 2013 4:24 PM

    Religion is for the weak minded. Who needs 10 commandments when all you need is some basic common sense.

  123. whatjusthapped says: May 1, 2013 4:28 PM

    and well over half of the Viking fans said, “Amen”

  124. fdugrad says: May 1, 2013 4:43 PM

    If this church sent him packing due to his comments regarding Mr. Collins, then it sounds like a church that Mr. Butler probably is fortunate to be shed of.

  125. fluffy19 says: May 1, 2013 9:43 PM

    This comment is in response to some of the people defending the church in this:

    Religion does not equal morality. I don’t go through life not committing crimes because there’s a man in the sky watching me. If you are a christian, it’s pretty clear that we are to leave judgement to god, and exhibit kindness and love to our fellow man…”turn the other cheek” “god is love”. Pretty much every thing Jesus ever is supposed to have said makes this clear.

    God did not write the bible! It is not his rule book given to you for you to enforce as you see fit. Depending on which version of the bible you use, most likely the “word of god” is actually the word of some guys from 100-1200AD. And even if we wanted to pretend that it was more sacred than that…it clearly says that most of us should be stoned to death for a multitude of “outdated” sins (mixing of clothing fibers, pre marital sex, touching the skin of a pig, trimming the hair of your temples, planting the wrong crops side by side, etc…but not rape). So, to pick this one “sin” and use the bible to enforce it just makes you bad christians.

    Gays ARE NOT persecuting christians! They aren’t burning them at the stake or making them live secret lives. Gays aren’t sending christians to “conversion camps” and telling them to pray the christian away. Gays haven’t been given trillions of dollars in tax exemptions only to build lavish megaplexes with well paid professional religious speakers (new career Tebow?) while actually giving very little back to their community. Gays aren’t bullying christian teens into committing or even contemplating suicide because of who they are. And, unlike christians, gays are born that way. The only reason your are christian is because of what house you were born in, and even then you have a choice. Gays don’t choose. If it was as simple as choice, do you think anyone would choose to be treated like this by a bunch of ignorant hypocrites?

  126. lakermetskins says: May 1, 2013 10:52 PM

    Bible believers are over here–

    Non- Bible believers are over here–

    As long as we can agree to disagree and not force our beliefs unto others we’ll be fine. This is America right!

  127. fluffy19 says: May 1, 2013 11:02 PM

    Telling someone that what they’re saying is wrong isn’t intolerance. That’s what I’m doing to christians right now. I’m not saying christianity is a horrid blot on humanity that should be banned at all costs. That would be intolerance…and that is what christianity has done to gays (amongst others) for thousands of years.

  128. fluffy19 says: May 1, 2013 11:45 PM

    This comment is in response to some of the people defending the church in this:

    Religion does not equal morality. I don’t go through life not committing crimes because there’s a man in the sky watching me. If you are a christian, it’s pretty clear that we are to leave judgement to god, and exhibit kindness and love to our fellow man…”turn the other cheek” “god is love”. Pretty much every thing Jesus ever is supposed to have said makes this clear.

    God did not write the bible! It is not his rule book given to you for you to enforce as you see fit. Depending on which version of the bible you use, most likely the “word of god” is actually the word of some guys from 100-1200AD. And even if we wanted to pretend that it was more sacred than that…it clearly says that most of us should be stoned to death for a multitude of “outdated” sins (mixing of clothing fibers, pre marital sex, touching the skin of a pig, trimming the hair of your temples, planting the wrong crops side by side, etc…but not rape). So, to pick this one “sin” and use the bible to enforce it just makes you bad christians.

    Gays ARE NOT persecuting christians! They aren’t burning them at the stake or making them live secret lives. Gays aren’t sending christians to “conversion camps” and telling them to pray the christian away. Gays haven’t been given trillions of dollars in tax exemptions only to build lavish megaplexes with well paid professional religious speakers (new career Tebow?) while actually giving very little back to their community. Gays aren’t bullying christian teens into committing or even contemplating suicide because of who they are. And, unlike christians, gays are born that way. The only reason your are christian is because of what house you were born in, and even then you have a choice. Gays don’t choose. If it was as simple as choice, do you think anyone would choose to be treated like this?

  129. packerfanfordecades says: May 2, 2013 12:16 AM

    I just put in a post and used the name of the person Christian Churches worship in it and it was automagically instantaneously erased. Is this site ashamed of that name? This article was about a church that believes in Him so why would using the J.C. name be inappropriate? It’s extremely disappointing. Failing a prompt explanation/apology, I’ll be compelled to conclude that whoever is managing the edit check system on this site is narrow minded and has an anti-Christian bias.
    .

  130. packerfanfordecades says: May 2, 2013 12:18 AM

    As an experiment, I’ll post the same thing as I did 2 minutes ago, but this time spell our the J.C. name. Let’s see if that post survives —- >

    I just put in a post and used the name of the person Christian Churches worship in it and it was automagically instantaneously erased. Is this site ashamed of that name? This article was about a church that believes in Him so why would using the Jesus Christ name be inappropriate? It’s extremely disappointing. Failing a prompt explanation/apology, I’ll be compelled to conclude that whoever is managing the edit check system on this site is narrow minded and has an anti-Christian bias

  131. packerfanfordecades says: May 2, 2013 12:20 AM

    OK, that post stuck despite spelling out Jesus Christ, so I’ll now try re-composing the first one. Maybe the edits are performed by a person who changes his/her mind instead of a hard-wired software text editor.

  132. packerfanfordecades says: May 2, 2013 12:34 AM

    I’ve done some paid training assignments in Japan (that are simultaneously translated) so I end up on my feet speaking for days at a time.

    It’s natural for me to use WWII era analogies when I’m speaking to business groups about beating the competition. I grew up with that kind of analogy because my Dad served in New Guinea and would often tell the family stories about that. It’s in my head. I’ve read books on Pearl Harbor, have seen the Hollywood movies multiple times, etc.

    But when I speaking in Japan, I diligently exclude any hint of that kind of story/analogy. They are paying me to train them so why make them feel bad? It’s just respecting your audience. I find a different way to say it.

    If Mr. Butler had a similar respect for his prospective church audience(s), he would have remained silent about Mr. Collins.

    I believe in Jesus Christ and respect the Bible as truth. To be honest, it really worries me that our world is moving rapidly towards embracing things hom++s+x+l because the Bible is both clear about God’s attitude and presents stark illustrations of how His wrath has descended on peoples that embrace hom++s+x+l practice. I think we are literally playing with fire.
    .

  133. packerfanfordecades says: May 2, 2013 12:36 AM

    Oh …. consecutive posting experiments cause me to conclude that it was the word hom++s+x+l in my post that evoked the deletions. Interesting.

    New experiment: I wonder if the word gay causes an automatic deletion.
    .

  134. j4man1 says: May 2, 2013 4:23 AM

    Well since the church is rightly anti-gay, I don’t see the problem. “The real crime” is that butler actually thinks anything he says is worth $8500. I’m sure the real problem with this hypocrite is that he’s out $8500.

  135. mrexcite721 says: May 2, 2013 7:30 AM

    Aaah, the bible. Here are some historical facts that are undisputed about the book of Christianity:

    – The Old Testament came from stories handed down by word of mouth over thousands of years in the Middle East.

    – The bible was written over a 1600 year period. Its writers came from different times & came from many walks of life. Some were farmers, fishermen, and shepherds. Prophets, Judges, & Kings. The gospel writer Luke was a doctor.

    – The New Testament (modern Christian Bible) was written in the 4th century by Emperor Constantine and his council in his own words. This fact is confirmed in the Roman Catholic Encyclopedia, which also states that any original text was altered, apparently in order to create some form of consistency across all documents.

    – There were originally 252 commandments in the Old Testament, in Judaism there are 613 commands found in the Pentateuch (the first five books of Moses, a.k.a. The Torah.), and in the modern day Christian Bible a mere 10 commandments, not including Psalms and Proverbs.

    So in summary man created the Bible. Many men writing earlier documents, and later copied, altered and modernized through the ages.

  136. jmach396 says: May 2, 2013 7:50 AM

    “Tolerance” is the movement that is causing the moral fabric of our society to unravel. Why do we have to be tolerant of a lifestyle that flies directly in the face of what we believe to be right? We consider that lifestyle to be sin. Should we also be tolerant of thievery? Adultery? Liars? Just because something in en vogue doesn’t mean it’s right.
    Now in light of that, does that give us as Christians a license to hate those to hold to those lifestyle choices? Absolutely not. We are called to love them with every shred of our being. I am not gay, but I am a sinful person, and I hope people will love me despite who I am. I try to live my life with that in mind. I don’t tolerate sin, but I love people. If my child were to make a choice to misbehave, I wouldn’t tolerate that behavior in the name of personal choice. I would call it out for what it is. That doesn’t mean I hate my child. It means I love them enough to speak the truth into their life.

  137. billh1947 says: May 2, 2013 8:07 AM

    Doesnt the church still preach love,tolerance and forgiveness?I guess it meant only love your fellow man if he is straight for there is no tolerance for gay people and forgiveness will only come when the gay person goes straight like the sinners in the congregation who go out on Saturday nights and gets drunk and cheats on thier spouses with members of the opposite sex then go to church on Sunday mornings seeking forgiveness from God.

  138. csilojohnson says: May 2, 2013 12:36 PM

    Support someone who is honest about who they are and the church condemns you. Molest a child (of the same sex no less) and the church sweeps it under the rug and transfers the pervert to another town with new unsuspecting victims. Church is a buisness. NOT a moral code. All the proof is in its history.
    Plus the bible is not “His word”
    Its a human interpretation of “His word”.
    Gods true “Moral code” comes from within.
    If you need a pastor to dictate what is “right and wrong”. You should work on your personal connection with God. Not the guy thats pushing the churches agenda.

  139. pizzon says: May 4, 2013 8:25 AM

    Good for you Leroy, I live in the south where people think that just because they go to church that gives the them to right to judge others morals. dont agree with the lifetsyle but as long as it doesnt effect me in any way why should I care anyway.

  140. arrowtoyourknee says: May 7, 2013 2:03 PM

    Kills me to say this about a Packer… but good for you, Leroy. Stand up for what you believe in, whether or not some church thinks you’re wrong. Last I checked, Christianity wasn’t exactly a shining role model in today’s world anyway.

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