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Dolphins stadium bill could die in the Florida legislature

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At a time when many believe that the fate of the renovations to Sun Life Stadium will hinge on an upcoming public vote, the public vote may not happen, after all.

The bill that needs to become a law to permit the use of hotel tax money is in limbo as the Florida Legislature enters the final day of its 2013 regular season.

According to the Miami Herald, the Florida Senate previously amended a “tax administration” bill to including language relating to the Dolphins’ stadium plan.  The bill then went to the House of Representatives, and it has been stuck there ever since.

Thursday’s effort to un-stick the bill included a visit to the Capitol from Dolphins Hall of Fame quarterback Dan Marino.  Still, some are calling it an “uphill battle,” and others have already declared the measure “dead.”

“Get the obituary page ready,” Rep. Michael Bileca (R-Miami) said.

For now, we’ve got our popcorn ready.  If the bill doesn’t pass the House and the Senate on Friday, the May 14 public vote will be canceled.

Which means that Super Bowl L necessarily would be awarded to San Francisco at the next ownership meeting on May 21, since the NFL won’t award another Super Bowl to Miami absent the upgrades that the pending plan would provide.

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56 Responses to “Dolphins stadium bill could die in the Florida legislature”
  1. barneyrumble says: May 3, 2013 11:32 AM

    You can always bring the SB back here to Indy. We did it right!

  2. finsguy says: May 3, 2013 11:33 AM

    Well that’s depressing.

    On a larger point though I wish in an industry as successful as the NFL that all cities would refuse to pay for the stadiums in general. They can afford to build their structures as much or more than just about any other company in the world, there is no reason to tax people for it.

    And yes I get that they generate revenue for the cities, but so do all employers.

  3. purpleman527 says: May 3, 2013 11:34 AM

    Thank goodness!

    No money for billionaires!

    Signed,
    Vikings Fan

  4. ampats says: May 3, 2013 11:34 AM

    Good thing all the taxpayer money went to fund the Marlins stadium. I’m sure the couple of hundred fans that attend the Marlins games are reaping the benefits.

    Looks like Stephen Ross may have to reach into his spare change drawer to fund the improvements.

  5. twilson962 says: May 3, 2013 11:35 AM

    They can thank Jeffery Loria for this too…

  6. irkjames says: May 3, 2013 11:37 AM

    As a Dolphins fan, my main concern is how well the team plays this season.

    I don’t care about where the product is being played or how nicely renovated it is. I just care about the product playing on the field.

  7. peoplesrepublic0fdabayarea says: May 3, 2013 11:39 AM

    Yes!!!

    LOS ANGELES DOLPHINS OF ANAHEIM!!!

    *thumbs up*

  8. mazblast says: May 3, 2013 11:42 AM

    EVERY stadium measure in Florida has problems in Tallahassee. I may be very wrong here, but it would seem prudent to get legislative approval BEFORE you announce a proposal and send a ballot measure to the public.

  9. marvin49 says: May 3, 2013 11:43 AM

    To be honest, I’ve always thought this was San Franciscos/Santa Claras Super Bowl to lose.

    Nothing against Miami as they have hosted many Super Bowls and done it well, but it always seemed to me it was a measure to hold out a carrot in front of the city of Miami to try and get the upgrades done.

    Santa Clara will have a brand spankin new stadium, a convention center across the street for media row, an amusement park, tons of hotels in the area and would represent returning the Super Bowl to California for the first time i many years. The NFL has wanted a Super Bowl in Northern California for decades but there just hasn’t been a facility capable of handling it.

    Just always made more sense.

  10. jam11163 says: May 3, 2013 11:46 AM

    no more super bowls in miami unless you get a new stadium.

  11. darkneptune73 says: May 3, 2013 11:48 AM

    As a Vikings fan who experienced this here for our stadium, I send my condolences to the Dolphin fans who are in for a rocky ride.

  12. jrod2173 says: May 3, 2013 11:49 AM

    Absolutely cannot blame Ross if he threatened to move to LA. Even though he has said he never would. He doesnt owe Miami anything at this point if this doesnt pass.

  13. jetnotjets says: May 3, 2013 11:49 AM

    The reason for the delay is that the minority group of the Florida State Legislature doesn’t want some of the bills to pass, so they are requiring every word of every bill to be read aloud before each vote. It was a delay tactic and a pathetic one at that. Rather than actually allowing votes on issues, they are making a mockery of the process. The Dolphins bill and some others that beneficial to the state are becoming casualties to a bunch of pouting elected officials.

  14. mattmchoes says: May 3, 2013 11:50 AM

    hey its marvin49,
    i recognize you from the zone ( i am NinerFan408), you always post very insightful game reviews, 10 points.
    you are spot on with your comment above.

  15. onbucky96 says: May 3, 2013 11:52 AM

    The Los Angeles Dolphins…maybe the 72 Dolphins would finally shut up.

  16. xpensivewinos says: May 3, 2013 11:53 AM

    This just in: Stephen Ross says this is all Tony Sparano’s fault!!!

    Ross and his GM are clowns. I hope they continue to fail at every turn.

  17. thestrategyexpert says: May 3, 2013 11:57 AM

    finsguy:

    There is a big reason to tax people, it’s their money and any business is always going to want to find avenues to use OPM to create profitable leverage. The NFL and the Dolphins wouldn’t be smart business people if they didn’t try to exploit those opportunities, and in this country we have a system in place that makes that possible and encourages them to take advantage of all of their financing options. And you just can’t beat using somebody else’s money in lieu of your own. This isn’t an NFL problem, this is a United States of America political and economic problem.

  18. annes22 says: May 3, 2013 12:06 PM

    xpensivewinos go and get lost. You have no clue about Miami, and we all wish you the best of luck with your team too.
    I know one thing, we would prefer to watch a Super Bowl in the stadium in Miami as it now, than go and sit in snow in New York. That’s ridiculous and I don’t care about their new stadium. Super bowls should be awarded where the weather is at least decent in winter. The 72 Dolphins will never shut up until another team does it, so keep trying.

  19. hehateme2 says: May 3, 2013 12:07 PM

    Have to also agree with marvin49. A brand new stadium would be the safe bet…. look at the upcoming mess in NJ based on that reason alone.

    A one-and-done for sure but still was offered in liu of building a new Giant Stadium… I mean metlife of whatever it’s called.

    No doubt, it was come back to Miami in furture.

  20. azarkhan says: May 3, 2013 12:08 PM

    If taxpayers pay for or subsidize a stadium then taxpayers should own it and receive all the revenue. Otherwise NFL, move somewhere else.

  21. commonsensedude says: May 3, 2013 12:17 PM

    The main thing that is going to stall this bill is going to be when it’s time to count the votes in the Legislature. You know, just because it’s Florida … and counting votes is sort of a hard thing to do there.

  22. officialgame says: May 3, 2013 12:19 PM

    It’s called Marlins hangover.

  23. thisonesforpat says: May 3, 2013 12:19 PM

    I’ll tell you what’s depressing: this stadium was the newer, better, replacement stadium forthe friggin’ Orange Bowl. I saw Colorado lose to Notre Dame there in what, 1992 and a bigger dump you could not imagine. That sharp, steep, stadium architecture, no beer, nothing worked, it was just the worst. “But, hey, Joe Robbie Stadium is gonna be the cure!” (I digress, but, how is it that HE couldn’t leave the team/stadium to the kids “due to taxes”, but Irsay, no problem!? Are you telling me that Robert Irsay’s tax advisor was THAT MUCH better than Joe Robbie’s? Puleeze!)

    Anyway, the Fish are behind/ahead of the hopeless, hapless Jets. All is right with the world.

  24. drewsylvania says: May 3, 2013 12:21 PM

    Good. Less thieving by our elected cheats, please.

  25. gmsalpha says: May 3, 2013 12:23 PM

    I would rather the Dolphins build a new stadium near downtown Miami/Marlins Stadium. The University of Miami plays at Sun Life Stadium, and it seems awfully impractical for them and their fans to have to play so far away from campus.

    Plus, I’m a proponent of stadium districts, as the 4 professional sports don’t have much of an overlap in seasons, and it keeps activity and money flowing all year round.

    That’s in contrast to having a football stadium way out in the boonies, where yes there is great tailgating, but when the game ends, people get in their cars and go home, rather than walk across/down the street to a bar or restaurant and spend money.

    I always equated the Miami situation to San Diego’s. Old stadium in the middle of nowhere that should be demolished and moved closer to the city.

    I’m not saying there’s much chance of that happening, but I’d love to see it.

  26. devrocks247 says: May 3, 2013 12:25 PM

    They should just move in to that stadium the Marlins aren’t using.

  27. laxcoach37 says: May 3, 2013 12:28 PM

    I always read the Dolphins stories and comments and for the mostpart all you guys were spot on with decent insight. However, I braced myself for a few idiots that would make the “Dolphins moving to LA or Toronto stuff”… and thank you for not letting me down.

  28. jimmyt says: May 3, 2013 12:55 PM

    Poor LA fans. I guess you just don’t pay much attention. I heard Goodell interviewed on a St. Louis station last week stating unequivocally that the NFL would make sure the Rams stayed put and that they had no interest in any current team moving to LA (like the NFL would ever let the Dolphins out of Miami – there are no more Al Davis’). He said everyone knows the two LA stadium proposals are dead and that even if they were not the NFL did not approve of either. It was pretty obvious that for LA to get the NFL back the “power brokers” there are going to have to find a way to build a privately funded stadium that would host two teams and two prospective owners to buy an expansion team from both the NFC and AFC. With any luck all the “so and so to LA” posters will be able to take their grandkids to an NFL game in LA someday in the extremely distant future, assuming Cali survives in spite of themselves.

  29. jagsfanugh says: May 3, 2013 1:15 PM

    Taxes should not pay for any stadiums. If they need a new stadium or upgrades or whatever then attach a surcharge to tickets for any events held there. That is the fairest way as why should joe shmo pay for it if hates every event and only likes fishing shows?RHETORICAL

  30. GrossmanDaSexCannon says: May 3, 2013 1:16 PM

    If the Super Bowl is supposed to be the best of the best, then they should play in the worst of the worst.

    #BringTheBowlToBuffalo

  31. xpensivewinos says: May 3, 2013 1:18 PM

    xpensivewinos go and get lost. You have no clue about Miami, and we all wish you the best of luck with your team too.
    I know one thing, we would prefer to watch a Super Bowl in the stadium in Miami as it now, than go and sit in snow in New York. That’s ridiculous and I don’t care about their new stadium. Super bowls should be awarded where the weather is at least decent in winter. The 72 Dolphins will never shut up until another team does it, so keep trying.

    ——————————————————
    Why do most sports fans have zero objectivity about their team? I was a Dolphins fan for 40+ years. The success the Dolphins had under Don Shula from 1972 thru 1976 (I’m sure long before you were born) is the aberration in the team’s history. For most of the team’s existence, they’ve been awful and/or irrelevant. Marino put up stats, but that didn’t translate into team success. Why people continue to think the Dolphins are a “storied franchise” with a “legacy of winning” is beyond me.

    If you want to support the likes of Ross, Ireland, Dee and the rest of them, more power to you. I’ve chosen to hit the off button. Nothing to get all worked up over…..

  32. NoHomeTeam says: May 3, 2013 1:26 PM

    “Poor LA fans. I guess you just don’t pay much attention. I heard Goodell interviewed on a St. Louis station last week stating unequivocally that the NFL would make sure the Rams stayed put and that they had no interest in any current team moving to LA”

    ************

    So Goodell was being interviewed about the team the currently plays in St. Louis, on a St. Louis media outlet, and he said something to the effect of “Of course the team isn’t going to move.”

    He wouldn’t say something like that if it weren’t true, right?

    See also: “We are doing everything we can to keep the Rams in the Los Angeles market” and “The Browns aren’t going anywhere.”

  33. bosskingnation says: May 3, 2013 1:30 PM

    those northern florida legislators would sign the bill if the dolphins would just sign TEBOW!

  34. northstarnic says: May 3, 2013 1:31 PM

    Good. Build your own damn playground.

  35. mustbechris says: May 3, 2013 1:37 PM

    I almost feel bad for this since it’s a direct result of Jeffrey Loria ripping off Florida. But at the same time, I don’t feel bad because this should never happen. It’s just a shame that Loria gets to benefit from the impetus for what should otherwise be common sense.

  36. giantssb42champs says: May 3, 2013 1:39 PM

    It’s Loria’s fault

  37. revskip says: May 3, 2013 1:44 PM

    Good. The last thing Miami needs is more welfare for billionaires. Ross has the means at his disposal to pay for any upgrades himself. Any effort to get the public to subsidize it is reprehensible.

  38. fissels says: May 3, 2013 1:45 PM

    What’s wrong with Joe Robbie stadium? Doesn’t seem that old to me.

  39. jimmyt says: May 3, 2013 1:49 PM

    NoHomeTeam, he was making the points that the NFL did not want any current teams moving to LA, did not approve of either of the stadium proposals and that the NFL and only the NFL was going to control that market and how it is managed. It will be done their way or not at all and they will always have the TV revenue no matter what.

  40. ninetysixer says: May 3, 2013 1:59 PM

    use PSL’s instead

  41. tahjay says: May 3, 2013 2:00 PM

    Give equity if you want to take money. Or you can take your team and leave.

  42. Robert says: May 3, 2013 2:07 PM

    The Dolphins have a huge fan base in L.A.

  43. finsguy says: May 3, 2013 2:14 PM

    thestrategyexpert says:
    May 3, 2013 11:57 AM
    finsguy:

    There is a big reason to tax people, it’s their money and any business is always going to want to find avenues to use OPM to create profitable leverage. The NFL and the Dolphins wouldn’t be smart business people if they didn’t try to exploit those opportunities, and in this country we have a system in place that makes that possible and encourages them to take advantage of all of their financing options. And you just can’t beat using somebody else’s money in lieu of your own. This isn’t an NFL problem, this is a United States of America political and economic problem.
    —————————————————

    Oh I understand very well how it works, my point is if ALL cities refused to tax people to fund these stadiums then NFL owners would simply build their own (as they should) and placement of teams would be on the merits of its own business model. Things like fan base and profitibility would all come into play on something like this. Where the NFL could get involved is the way they have, with a solid majority of owners approval required prior to allowing a team to move.

    Under this scenario most teams would stay put unless an owner could show good cause to say,2/3 or 3/4 of fellow owners as a reason to move and public financing comparisons wouldn’t enter into that assessment.

    Of course it will never happen. In a free society people of cities without teams will always be willing to throw a small municipal sales tax at any team that wants to move so they can get a team.

  44. westampa says: May 3, 2013 2:15 PM

    Maybe FEMA can pitch in $150 mil like they did for the Super Dome.

  45. granadafan says: May 3, 2013 2:39 PM

    As an LA resident I don’t want to see another fanbase get their football team ripped out from under them. As a TAXPAYER, I am 100% against welfare for multibillionaires at the expense of the taxpayers whether through bonds, sales taxes, or hotel taxes, etc.

    Several years ago, developers revitalized Downtown LA by building condos, the Staples Center for the Lakers/Clippers/ Kings along with restaurants, bars, and cafes. They did this on their own with billions of their own money and loans. They didn’t demand money from LA residents and the tax revenues from DAILY use is enormous, much more than once a week that a football stadium would generate.

  46. 69finfan says: May 3, 2013 2:40 PM

    The 72 Dolphins will shut up when someone shuts them up. Until then, you shut up. Go Fins!

  47. 1finfan says: May 3, 2013 3:12 PM

    If Ross would have spent all the money that he spent on the LIV nightclub and put it into what the NFL wants, he could have had the money without asking taxpayers. But, as usual, he followeds his heart instesd of his head. Just like keeping Ireland hanging around.

  48. 1finfan says: May 3, 2013 3:18 PM

    Joe Robbie and Danny Thomas didn’t need help from the government. Robbie was a REAL owner.

  49. ngarren13 says: May 3, 2013 3:27 PM

    teams still can move..the commish was powerless as the Brown moved to Baltimore. The Saint were going to stay in San Antonio til the commish brokered a sweetheart deal for them. Right now the city says “Well we got the Heat who are winning championships!” I wouldn’t move to LA though. Won’t see a stadium there in quite awhile…who wants to play in the Colisseum? I would be wary of San Antonio they have a stadium ready for the team.
    And the NFL will not expand to replace the Dolphins..ask LA..

  50. hehateme2 says: May 3, 2013 3:30 PM

    xpensivewinos says: May 3, 2013 1:18 PM

    Why people continue to think the Dolphins are a “storied franchise” with a “legacy of winning” is beyond me.

    Clearly, much is lost on you. The Dolphins had the best coach of all time (based on winning) and one of the best QBs of all time. They still rank in the top 3 in franchise winning %.
    Many of their games are considered the best of all time. They owned the AFC East for decades.

    Enough? All you spew is negative garbage. You’re past boring.

  51. scmems07 says: May 3, 2013 3:36 PM

    ross is doing what an owner should do, spend money for his team, get the best product on the field, bring excitment to the city and the fans and he wants to get a new stadium to build for the future…..but because of the crap owners of the marlins who only care about thier pockets and could care less about winning or thier fan base the football fans in miami can not get this upgrade on the staduim. thanks marlins!!!

  52. scmems07 says: May 3, 2013 3:40 PM

    xpensivewinos says: May 3, 2013 1:18 PM

    Why people continue to think the Dolphins are a “storied franchise” with a “legacy of winning” is beyond me.

    not to mention the first team to go to 3 strait sb’s winning 2 of them and still the only team ever with an undefeated championship season that will never be duplicated. not many of the 32 nfl teams can say they have multiple lombardi trophies.

  53. seaeagle707 says: May 3, 2013 3:46 PM

    Those poor Fins, having to play in that dilapidated wreck of a stadium. How can they stand it? Why, I’ll just bet that the Boca Raton high school field is in better shape. Pro’bly has Wi-Fi too. Good thing y’all got new unis and a new logo, to help you face those teams that will have to humble themselves to come and play in your falling apart sandbox.

  54. musicman495 says: May 3, 2013 4:04 PM

    Get in touch with Jim Irsay and get the name of his team’s contact with Mayflower. I am sure they would be happy to move the team in the middle of the night to some third rate city, just like in 1984.

  55. rcali says: May 3, 2013 4:36 PM

    Can’t one of these celebrity owners pitch in? J-Lo? Gloria Estephan? I mean, isn’t most of the money going to rehab the fancy suites anyway? By the way, if you didn’t know that’s pretty much where they will focus the funds. Average Joe fan will be lucky to get a new faucet in the bathroom.

  56. PriorKnowledge says: May 3, 2013 9:15 PM

    some posters are saying “no taxpayer money for billionaires” and some such nonsense. but local and state governments are always courting businesses with lowered taxes and paying for infrastructure. The stadium is used 10 to 13 days per year by the team. Why should the team pay the entire cost of a stadium that it only uses a few times a year? Originally, NFL games were only played in college stadiums and they paid the college for their use of the stadium. Now that football is more popular, NFL teams need larger stadiums. But fair is fair. Whenever the government needs more money, they raise the taxes on the tickets. And they profit plenty from the NFL team in both real money and status. It only makes sense that government chip in some the of cost. The cost is more than recovered by other events in the stadium, hotel taxes, local business gains, plus the bragging rights that go with having an NFL. For you children that don’t understand business — Grow up!

    PS. I am a retired programmer, Redskin fan and not affiliated nor employed by any team. Just an adult trying to bring mature info to this conversation.

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