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Next week or so deemed important for Cruz talks

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Giants co-owner John Mara is confident a deal with receiver Victor Cruz eventually will get done.  That’s fine, but when will it happen?

A source with knowledge of the situation tells PFT that talks are ongoing, and that the next 7-10 days are regarded as important to the objective of getting Cruz signed to a long-term deal with the Giants.

It’s unclear why the next week or so is regarded as important, since there are no deadlines or other milestones that compel an agreement by May 17.  Presumably, the Giants and Cruz would like to have the player on the field for the bulk of the Organized Team Activities that cap the offseason program.

Absent a long-term deal with which each side is happy, Cruz will have to decide whether (or, more accurately, when) to sign his one-year, $2.89 million restricted free agency tender offer.  He’s not under contract, so he can hold out without a fine or other penalty.

Technically, he can stay away until Week 10 of the regular season, sign the tender offer for a reduced amount of $1.19 million (which is still much more than he has made in any of his three full NFL seasons), finish out the year as a Giant, and become an unrestricted free agent in 2014.

As of June 17, the Giants can rescind the $2.89 million tender and replace it with a 10-percent raise over his 2012 salary.  The Steelers opted last year not to play that specific brand of hardball with receiver Mike Wallace, fearing it would inflame an already tense situation.

There’s been no indication that Cruz intends to push it that far.  He may not be able to get what he wants from the Giants without persuading the team (and, specifically, coach Tom Coughlin) that it’s a possibility.

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43 Responses to “Next week or so deemed important for Cruz talks”
  1. inyofaceagain says: May 7, 2013 3:58 PM

    This guy deserves the $. Get him a new contract.

    Only the Packers would let their best WR play into free agency then walk.

  2. shappy7 says: May 7, 2013 4:04 PM

    cruz is waiting too long. come on and sign already

  3. cliffordc05 says: May 7, 2013 4:05 PM

    This is similar in many ways to the Geno Smith drama. Cruz was recruited by a new and inexperienced agent who promised him the moon. The reality is that Cruz is a slot receiver and not a number one type and he will be paid accordingly. If he leaves New York for another market he will lose substantial income opportunities from endorsements.

    He can’t have it all. My guess is that his best long term strategy is to negotiate for a top of the line slot receiver salary. Stay in New York and possibly have the Giants make a statement that he took a hometown discount because he loves the fans so damn much. Then he will be in a position to pursue long term opportunities in the largest market in the country.

  4. thesteelers says: May 7, 2013 4:10 PM

    #1 receiver, #2 receiver, slot receiver, whatever. The guy puts up 2500 yards in two seasons you pay him according to that production, not where he lines up.

  5. logicalvoicesays says: May 7, 2013 4:13 PM

    Amerson will shut this guy down for the next decade. He’d be wise to go to another team if he wants to shine in this league. #RespecttheREDSKINS

  6. cooklynn17 says: May 7, 2013 4:13 PM

    Sign the paper loser!!!

  7. djstat says: May 7, 2013 4:20 PM

    All of you idiots say he is a “slot” WR. The “slot” guy has the ability to play outside very well. Just ask Nhamdi. He has 2,600 in two years and 19 TDs over the last two years. Why should he not want more than slot money?

  8. bigbluefan11 says: May 7, 2013 4:22 PM

    Trulylogicalvoicesays:

    He needs to sign so he can torch the Redskins with more 80 yard touchdowns in critical situations. That is, if they can even stay in games with RGNoKnee at quarterback.

  9. packerbackernj says: May 7, 2013 4:23 PM

    Just like every other receiver that leaves the giants, the minute he signs with someone else he’ll be a nobody. There’s a reason no one shelled out a first round pick for him in a less then stellar 1st round , talent wise.

  10. nypd1056 says: May 7, 2013 4:26 PM

    Hey logicalvoicesays, CHEW ON THIS.

    THE NEW YORK FOOTBALL GIANTS. 4 Time Superbowl Champions and the only team in NFL history with a Superbowl in four consecutive decades. 86, 90, 08 & 11. DREAM ON.

  11. azarkhan says: May 7, 2013 4:27 PM

    “If he leaves New York for another market he will lose substantial income opportunities from endorsements.”

    If he played for a team in Texas or Florida he would still have endorsement opportunities (because of hispanic pop) plus he wouldn’t have to pay any state taxes, which are extremely high in blue states.

  12. spedman24 says: May 7, 2013 4:41 PM

    Mara will screw this up, let this circus continue. What Giants player will have a DUI or hit their child next???? Or maybe shoot themselves in the leg?

  13. formerworldchamps says: May 7, 2013 4:46 PM

    azarkhan says: May 7, 2013 4:27 PM

    “If he leaves New York for another market he will lose substantial income opportunities from endorsements.”

    If he played for a team in Texas or Florida he would still have endorsement opportunities (because of hispanic pop) plus he wouldn’t have to pay any state taxes, which are extremely high in blue states.

    Yeah, but he’d have to live there.

  14. drobstad says: May 7, 2013 4:48 PM

    Cruz is a great guy, great teammate & a great player. He has all ready started his own clothing line and the endorsements will continue to roll if he signs a long term deal with the Giants.
    Companies are going to hold off on giving him big time deals until he makes a long term commitment to being in NY.
    Eli LOVES his slot receivers (Steve Smith?) & Tight Ends. Cruz is perfect for the slot role in the Giants offense especially with a dynamic receiver like Nicks on the outside who demands double teams on every play relieving Cruz of seeing such coverages.
    The contract The Giants have offered Cruz would make him the highest paid slot receiver in the league and guarantee him more money than Greg Jennings. It is a fair deal for both sides, locks him up long term, brings in his endorsement deals & keeps Eli’s favorite target in the NY spotlight where he belongs.
    Logicalvoice I have to say… I am a giants fan and I look forward to every comment you make haha… Irrational Redskins fans should have their own television show haha

  15. gcsuk says: May 7, 2013 4:54 PM

    logicalvoicesays says:
    May 7, 2013 4:13 PM
    Amerson will shut this guy down for the next decade. He’d be wise to go to another team if he wants to shine in this league. #RespecttheREDSKINS
    ———————————————————-
    Remind us all again who caught the winning TD for the Giants against your Redskins last year. Fluke play or not, Cruz caught it and the Giants won the game. So please shut up and go away until your Redskins win anything of importance (like, say, a playoff game?).

  16. stillers1229 says: May 7, 2013 5:06 PM

    “A source with knowledge of the situation”. Right.

  17. sandersmarcus10 says: May 7, 2013 5:07 PM

    I dont get why they just dont sign him! He is the best WR on the Giants and a top ten WR in the NFL and has outplayed the contract he was unders so pay the man.

  18. arwiv says: May 7, 2013 5:09 PM

    He’s a slot receiver who would not be nearly as productive without a true number 1 lined up to the outside. Cruz would be INSANE to pass up all of endorsement deals which NY brings PLUS the opportunity to play for a top franchise, only for a few extra mill by some other team. There’s a reason why most Giants who wind up playing for other teams eventually wind up signing one day contracts at the end of their careers just so they can say that they retired a Giant. Its a class…CLASS…organization which has always taken care of its players. Wake up Victor.

  19. theclaim says: May 7, 2013 5:11 PM

    bigbluefan11 says:
    May 7, 2013 4:22 PM
    Trulylogicalvoicesays:

    He needs to sign so he can torch the Redskins with more 80 yard touchdowns in critical situations. That is, if they can even stay in games with RGNoKnee at quarterback.

     How’s that working out for you over the last three seasons. Cruz earned you your sole w vs the Skins…and it was a fluke. Madieu Williams was SO OUT of position and now has gone Lol. HTTR

  20. arwiv says: May 7, 2013 5:13 PM

    djstat

    He has the ability to play on the outside, yes. You think he’s putting up those numbers as the 1 though, with Randle as the 2 and Jernigan in the slot? Namdi sucks.

    And for you guys who say he’s better than Nicks, you are out of your collective minds. More durable…yes; better…please.

    The giants have to pay Nicks and JPP very soon….they cant break the bank for Cruz….and they won’t.

  21. justintuckrule says: May 7, 2013 5:16 PM

    If he played for a team in Texas or Florida he would still have endorsement opportunities (because of hispanic pop) plus he wouldn’t have to pay any state taxes, which are extremely high in blue states.
    ————
    Cruz wants to star in national commercial campaigns like Campbells Soup, not hawk used cars for McGump’s Jallopies on the corner of Flyover and Tumbleweed on some local hick station.

  22. mute617 says: May 7, 2013 5:23 PM

    I don’t care what the news is, Cruz is a Giant until he signs elsewhere. Cruz is the newest “where is he going” story that will be anticlimactic

  23. inyofaceagain says: May 7, 2013 5:28 PM

    justintuckrule says:
    Cruz wants to star in national commercial campaigns like Campbells Soup, not hawk used cars for McGump’s Jallopies on the corner of Flyover and Tumbleweed on some local hick station.

    ———–

    You forgot the part where you make your point

  24. wave222 says: May 7, 2013 5:33 PM

    Please sign Victor!!
    “GO GIANTS GO”
    “GO TEAM GO”

    “GO VICTOR GO”
    Not the other way around!!!!

  25. mazblast says: May 7, 2013 5:49 PM

    Can people and Chris Berman stop saying, “New York Football Giants”? It’s been well over 50 years since there was any other professional team in NY called “Giants”. Maybe you (and Berman) think it’s cute, but it’s just annoying.

  26. Grulks says: May 7, 2013 5:49 PM

    nypd1056 wrote:
    Hey logicalvoicesays, CHEW ON THIS.

    THE NEW YORK FOOTBALL GIANTS. 4 Time Superbowl Champions and the only team in NFL history with a Superbowl in four consecutive decades. 86, 90, 08 & 11. DREAM ON.

    ————–

    HeyNYPD1056, CHEW ON THIS:

    86 and 90 are in the same decade jack wagon. there was never a year “0″ in the beginning, so the first decade went from years 1-10, the next decade started at 11. which means every new decade starts with a 1, genius. DREAM UP A NEW ARTIFICIAL STAT FOR PEOPLE TO BE ENVIOUS OF.

  27. bigdicebuddha says: May 7, 2013 5:54 PM

    Being a slot reciever DOES matter. The truth is, when Nicks was injured this season, Cruz was still left in the slot position while Domenik Hixon was inserted into the lineup on the outside. What does that tell you? Additionally, Cruz’s play fell off during those games that Nicks missed and he was largely ineffective.

    Secondly, Victor Cruz broke a Giants recieving record in 2011. It was a record that stood since like the 60′s until it was finally broken in 2009 by Stever Smith who was also playing out of the slot position. So essentially, the system and perhaps the QB has a lot to do with it.

    There’s a lot more to it, as there usually is, than many on here on considering.

  28. bigdicebuddha says: May 7, 2013 5:57 PM

    That said, Steve Smith and Victor Cruz are not comparable players because Victor Cruz has game changing play ability and YAC while Steve Smith did not.

    So I agree, he should be paid. But for those of you willing to give him the moon, Steve Smith’s 2009 numbers out of the slot position should give you pause.

  29. azarkhan says: May 7, 2013 6:05 PM

    It’s amusing how Giants fans get hysterical over Cruz. You boys may want to buy some pampers.

  30. tabcdef9 says: May 7, 2013 6:19 PM

    cooklynn17 says: May 7, 2013 4:13 PM

    Sign the paper loser!!!

    Easy to talk loose (and stupid) when it’s not your money isn’t it. Apparently you’re so egocentric and self-absorbed that you can’t put yourself in Cruz’s shoes; in which case you’ve got no defense and really no business commenting on the situation.

  31. bigdicebuddha says: May 7, 2013 6:21 PM

    HeyNYPD1056, CHEW ON THIS:

    86 and 90 are in the same decade jack wagon. there was never a year “0″ in the beginning, so the first decade went from years 1-10, the next decade started at 11. which means every new decade starts with a 1, genius. DREAM UP A NEW ARTIFICIAL STAT FOR PEOPLE TO BE ENVIOUS OF.

    —————————————————

    So 1990 is not part of the 90′s, then?

    Also, what is the date of that Superbowl?

  32. justintuckrule says: May 7, 2013 6:24 PM

    Grulks says:
    May 7, 2013 5:49 PM
    nypd1056 wrote:
    Hey logicalvoicesays, CHEW ON THIS.

    THE NEW YORK FOOTBALL GIANTS. 4 Time Superbowl Champions and the only team in NFL history with a Superbowl in four consecutive decades. 86, 90, 08 & 11. DREAM ON.

    ————–

    HeyNYPD1056, CHEW ON THIS:

    86 and 90 are in the same decade jack wagon. there was never a year “0″ in the beginning, so the first decade went from years 1-10, the next decade started at 11. which means every new decade starts with a 1, genius. DREAM UP A NEW ARTIFICIAL STAT FOR PEOPLE TO BE ENVIOUS OF.
    ——————————-
    If getting Biblical on our awesome stat makes you sleep better at night, have it at hoss. All we care about is that we won SBs in decades starting with an 8, 9, 0, and 1.

  33. justintuckrule says: May 7, 2013 6:28 PM

    @Grulks – We won SB XXV on January 27, 1991. You’re whiny diatribe about the dawn of the modern calendar is still a collossal FAIL!

  34. gcsuk says: May 7, 2013 6:31 PM

    theclaim says:
    May 7, 2013 5:11 PM

    How’s that working out for you over the last three seasons. Cruz earned you your sole w vs the Skins…and it was a fluke. Madieu Williams was SO OUT of position and now has gone Lol. HTTR

    ———————————————————-

    Over the last 3 seasons? Pretty good, as a matter of fact. Only 1 post-season berth, but I’d say they made the most of it with 4 straight wins. How’d those regular season wins “work out” for your Redskins? Oh yeah…a one and done last year. Chew on that for a while, pal.

  35. lippy4246 says: May 7, 2013 6:46 PM

    Last time I checked 1990 is in the 90s besides the game was played in 1991 anyway. And what’s with the Skins winning their super bowls in strike years. Need asterisks for those

  36. bosspower says: May 7, 2013 6:49 PM

    Ok the Giants won in 87, 91, 08, and 12. That looks like every decade to me.

  37. justintuckrule says: May 7, 2013 7:02 PM

    strike shortened 87 and Plaxico’s sweatpants cost us 2 others.

  38. jetsjetsjetsnow says: May 7, 2013 7:19 PM

    Holy Toledo Batman, an actual football article in the sea of non news distractions….

  39. kingcarlbanks says: May 7, 2013 7:32 PM

    It is so amusing reading posts from some of these Skin fans. The fact is, the last time your beloved Redskins won a SB was a couple decades ago. No Google, no smartphones, no hybrids, no Kate Upton, no HDTV. Your last SB winning QB retired many a moon ago, mine is in his prime with 2 rings. The closest you bums have been to a Super Bowl parade is crashing the one held for the Ravens!

    FAIL

  40. taintedsaints2009 says: May 7, 2013 8:50 PM

    well that’s a well written headline

  41. duncanthecat says: May 7, 2013 10:39 PM

    Small receiver needs to get paid now.

    If not, show up week 10, play one game and pull a hammy.

    Sign for big bucks next year with another organization.

    Isn’t this the new MO for wide-outs.

    I think the Giants are playing with fire now paying this guy.

  42. cantgetenoughwp says: May 8, 2013 9:47 AM

    $7-8M/year is more than Wes Welker got paid, and Welker’s stats are better. Cruz should take the offer on the table.

  43. bramton1 says: May 8, 2013 11:57 AM

    For those that say “pay the man based on his production,” consider of the 19 touchdowns he’s had in the last two years, an overwhelming majority have come while playing in the slot (something like 17 out of 19).

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